Braves Discussing Extension for Vazquez

As a White Sox fan i don't regret them trading him. Unless tyler Flowers does not work out. He looks pretty promising. Only reason Atlanta got rid of him is cause they have Brian McCann.

But It makes me wonder, if Javy was still around, how great would the Sox rotation be? Buerhle , Peavy, Danks, Floyd and Javy WOW

This would be great! I was wondering when extension talks would start up with him.

Can a player be put on waivers during the offseason? If so i'd like to see if someone would just assume the rest of lowes contract like in an alex rios situation. Really don't see it happening though. I would take nothing back in return for him if im atlanta.

even if lowe posted a 15-9 3.80 era with 190 innnings i still think the team has bigger needs it could address with 15 extra mil for the next three years.

I still think that Derek Lowe's trade value is severely underrated. Who's to say he won't come back? I think a pitching starved team with some power to deal may work out...as I have said numerous times...the Astros??!?!?! D-Lowe for El Caballo seems cool to me

I wonder if Frank would even be willing to eat some of Lowe's salary? That would help ALOT

I love that bc Javy is my fav player. I would rather see them let Derek go bc he struggled so much through the year, and Javy was consistent throughout the year. Derek won't be able to make a deal with himself so throw in some guys that no one like. Ryan Church... Garrett Anderson... Rafael Soriano... Mike Gonzalaz... We could get a good bat, plus we have people down in our farm system... I think that would getterdone. I can see it on ESPNews, Derek Lowe, Ryan Church, and Rafael Soriano trade to the Brewers for LF Ryan Braun and SP Jeff Suppan. Braves call up CF Jordan Shacfer, LF Brandon Jones, and INF/OF Diory Hernandez... That would be great...

I love that bc Javy is my fav player. I would rather see them let Derek go bc he struggled so much through the year, and Javy was consistent throughout the year. Derek won't be able to make a deal with himself so throw in some guys that no one like. Ryan Church... Garrett Anderson... Rafael Soriano... Mike Gonzalaz... We could get a good bat, plus we have people down in our farm system... I think that would getterdone. I can see it on ESPNews, Derek Lowe, Ryan Church, and Rafael Soriano trade to the Brewers for LF Ryan Braun and SP Jeff Suppan. Braves call up CF Jordan Shacfer, LF Brandon Jones, and INF/OF Diory Hernandez... That would be great...

Posted by: ReD SoX | November 09, 2009 at 10:04 PM
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Anderson, Soriano and Gonzalez are free agents.

And Braun wouldn't come that cheap either.

It would be great, indeed...but the Brewers aren't that brain dead. Or...at least Brewers fans would hope they weren't.

I love that bc Javy is my fav player. I would rather see them let Derek go bc he struggled so much through the year, and Javy was consistent throughout the year. Derek won't be able to make a deal with himself so throw in some guys that no one like. Ryan Church... Garrett Anderson... Rafael Soriano... Mike Gonzalaz... We could get a good bat, plus we have people down in our farm system... I think that would getterdone. I can see it on ESPNews, Derek Lowe, Ryan Church, and Rafael Soriano trade to the Brewers for LF Ryan Braun and SP Jeff Suppan. Braves call up CF Jordan Shacfer, LF Brandon Jones, and INF/OF Diory Hernandez... That would be great...

Posted by: ReD SoX | November 09, 2009 at 10:04 PM
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Are you kidding me?
It would take a package of Tommy Hanson + 2 more plus prospects to get Ryan Braun. Nuff said. Not a Brew Crew fan, but he's a top 5 outfielder and has one of the most team friendly contracts in the game.

Even if Lowe does go back to his 2008 form we still have 4 other guys in our rotation that can do that.

If the Braves are moving Lowe I believe it will be more of a salary dump, either that or he is packaged with someone for a slugger.

This is a wise move. Wren is going to get an idea as to what it will cost to sign him, and if he really does want to stay and play for Atlanta (which is what i've heard all over the internet) maybe he would give us a good price. Then that gives us the option to trade Lowe or Kawakami. I would prob try to deal Lowe although I think he is still going to get 14-16 wins and a sub 4 ERA next year.

The D-Lowe for el Caballo trade seems fair for me....the Astros needs pitching and he have 4 years left in his contract.I know he have a no-trade clause...but if the Braves can get Adrian Gonzales from the Padres first he could waive his clause at lease try to convince him.A package of Freeman, Parr, Medlen, Brandon Jones and Jo-Jo could get it done

Posted by: Braves Fan PR | November 09, 2009 at 11:05 PM
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I won't disagree with Carlos Lee. He seems like a decent player to "swap contracts" with Lowe. I think the Astros wouldn't be too happy about it, as Lee is a legit slugger and Lowe appears to be a back end starter, but at least it's a generally equal swap on salaries.

On the other hand, I do feel we can get Gonzalez (and he doesn't have a no-trade clause). It won't come with the package you suggest, but he could easily be had for a package headed by Mat Gamel and Lorenzo Cain from the Brewers, who want to add a starting pitcher to support Gallardo. No doubt we'd have to toss in a prospect or two from our end (perhaps even Freeman), but it would solve the majority of our power issues.

"Then that gives us the option to trade Lowe or Kawakami."
These two players have very different trade values at this point. Lowe would get a return of Carlos Lee, Alfonso Soriano, Barry Zito, someone like that. Kawakami has trade value at 2/$13M. He also has value to the Braves.

"I would prob try to deal Lowe although I think he is still going to get 14-16 wins and a sub 4 ERA next year."
If you believe that, then you should hope the Braves hang onto to him and deal him next offseason when he will get them a much better return.

Good move to try and extend him. If they fail to do so then I think the Angels would be a great place for Vazquez to be traded. A big market contender would be interested in him but the tag of him being unable to handle media pressure and big games will probably exlcude a return to NY and Chicago and probably Boston. Isn't he anti-West coast as well?

Javy is actually just anti-West Coast rap. He does, however, have a NTC to western division teams (AL and NL).

and i realize, bjsguess, your post had nothing to do with laroche, i was just pointing out that eating a chunk of lowe's contract so that we can get rid of him and then use the leftover money to help get laroche is probably more feasible than most realize. and vazquez probably isnt going to bring the massive slugger everyone seems to think he will. i'd be surprised if most gms didnt share your same concerns about his ability to repeat his '09 success.

Signing LaRoche is an absolute must for the braves. The Braves need to be on the ball for a left-fielder.

agreed, justabravesfan719. taking the "let's just sit around and wait and see what happens down the road with freeman" is a foolish approach. laroache is everything we need at the position. the team loves him, he puts up solid numbers, and he plays great defense. having him back would instill a lot of confidence in the rest of the team that they have what it takes to win. not signing him would be definitely start the season off on a sour note. when multiple members of the team go out of their way to state publicly they want him back, and you honestly have no reason to not sign him, then you better get a deal done.

i totally agree that vazquez has multiple good pitches. i watched him all last season and he was incredibly dominant. i also think he'll be a solid part of the rotation next year, even if his era trends upwards. i'm just saying that he's proven to be very inconsistent from one year to the next and re-signing him to an extension right now when his price is at its highest is a dumb move.

"KEEP VAZQUEZ and Lowe! Hudson will disappoint us this year and not win 15 games like Lowe did "in an off year"!

Also, if we cannot sign LaRoche SOON, trade for the Red's Votto. He will probably be dropped shortly and would help us if LaRoche moves on."

honestly, if lowe can win 15 games after the way he pitched last year, then the other pitchers on the staff should have absolutely no problem with it. the win-loss stat is probably one of the single most misleading pitching stats in baseball. hitters crushed lowe (.301 average against). his walks went up, strikeouts went down, and he was giving up an average 4.67 runs per game. honestly, all the win-loss stat shows is how many times our offense bailed him out. he wasn't the absolute worst pitcher out there and i'm sure he will probably will be a little better next season, but there's still no way to justify $15 million a yr for the next 3, especially for a mid-market team. gotta eat a chunk of that and unload him. regardless of whether or not hudson and vazquez disappoint, finding a way to unload that monstrous contract is a must. they need whatever portion of that contract they can salvage to go towards the offense.

why would the reds trade votto??? he's young and cheap and they know he's going to deliver. i mean, thatd be awesome if they could get him, but i dont see why the reds would bother unless they get a massive return. "Oh god, no." were walt jocketty's exact words when asked about that.

Place Lowe on waivers. Not even the White Sox will bite.

Lowe to the Cubs for Soriano and Jake fox. The Braves can get rid of Lowe that way...