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10:07pm: In an e-mail to MLB.com's Mark Bowman, Braves GM Frank Wren denied having any plans to meet with Chapman.
7:37pm: The Atlanta Braves have joined the list of suitors after Cuban pitcher Aroldis Chapman, writes Melissa Segura of SI.com. While an exact date, time and location has not been decided on yet, the two parties are "expected to schedule formal conversations in the coming weeks."
Segura identifies the Orioles, Red Sox, White Sox, Cubs, Yankees, Mets, Athletics and Cardinals as other clubs also believed to be interested in the 21-year-old. Our review of the Chapman sweepstakes cites information that indicates Detroit, Seattle and San Francisco also have some level of interest in signing the lefty.
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Oh gosh, please don't.
A our rotation is set for years to come, even with 3 old guys. And if he gets the money everyone seems to think he'll get, it just doesn't add up.
Posted by: WS2009 | November 02, 2009 at 07:47 PM
Agreed, although think of that rotation if he lived up to half the hype but they obviously need to spend money on a bat!
Posted by: fitz | November 02, 2009 at 07:53 PM
...That makes absolutely no sense.
Posted by: homeofdabrave | November 02, 2009 at 07:53 PM
Hanson
Jurrjens
Chapman
Teheran
Delgado
That would be one sick nasty future rotation but we would really need Heyward, Freeman, Schafer, and Johnson/Milligan to provide some reinforcements along side McCann and Escobar.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 02, 2009 at 07:58 PM
Only reason it makes sense is because of the lack of a lefty in our rotation. Trade Lowe and Kawakami, save about 60 mil there, give Chapman the 40 mil he wants, save 20 mil and have a rotation of
Vazquez
Jurrjens
Hudson
Hanson
Chapman
With Medlen as the 6th starter with needed.
That's a sick rotation and we go from being and old rotation to having an average age of about 26. Not to mention saving 20 mil.
Posted by: Bravesfan4life88 | November 02, 2009 at 08:05 PM
This makes about as much sense as the Yankees trading for a third baseman.
Posted by: vtadave | November 02, 2009 at 08:05 PM
On the other hand, if we did sign him that would make one of our coveted pitching prospects available, which would be a good piece for our RH power bat in a trade.
Posted by: WS2009 | November 02, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Whuuuuuuttt!!!!
No no no no no!
We don't need pitching, Wren!
Posted by: Tomahawk368 | November 02, 2009 at 08:08 PM
This money would come from the scouting/draft/PD budget. It's like signing the #1 pick in the Draft. Can't hurt to throw a # out there; maybe they are going to make up for saving money on Minor.
I don't think he'll be an ace but at bare minimum he'd be a scary setup guy.
Posted by: QuadBravesFan | November 02, 2009 at 08:19 PM
I swear, everyone in the league is on this guy, except for the one team who NEEDS him. The Brewers. They need a young lefty not named Manny Parra, and they need some worthwhile starters in the minors.
If the Braves sign him, they should trade one of their pitching prospects for some power or a replacement for Chipper at 3rd, when he hangs 'em up.
I think that a trade with the Brewers could work. The Braves could send us a nice pitching prospect, and we'd send back either Mat Gamel or Casey McGehee. What do you Braves fans think?
Posted by: Sage | November 02, 2009 at 08:23 PM
As a Braves fan, I'd love him, however, is there such thing as too much pitching? I'd like to say no.
Posted by: chipperboy1 | November 02, 2009 at 08:31 PM
Sage, I would be interested a Casey McGehee trade for sure.
Posted by: wisbrave | November 02, 2009 at 08:35 PM
We don't have a DH Sage, Gamel is much more attractive to a AL team, and you would therefore get more in return from one.
It would be too much pitching if we just added Chapman to Vazquez, Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Kawakami, and Medlen, but I'm thinking that Wren is trying to save some money while getting younger and staying on the same level.
Posted by: Bravesfan4life88 | November 02, 2009 at 08:36 PM
Well there is a rumor out there that Liberty is ready to open up the pocket books to put a winner on the field. Its kind of makes sense then that they would do this. And Sage, I think you have a LF named Braun we'd be interested in :)
Posted by: Tom-A-Hawk | November 02, 2009 at 08:36 PM
ummmmmmm...NO!! We need to spend our money on a closer and to resign Adam Laroche, adding starting pitching is the last thing we need especially pitching that costs so much, please God no and let the Red Sox and Yankees bitch this one out until this guy signs for 100 mil a year
Posted by: NYBravosFan | November 02, 2009 at 08:37 PM
the only way I see the Giants even trying to sign him is if we trade J. Sanchez or another pitcher not named Lincecum( maybe Cain) for a bat
Posted by: Bleacher_bum_SF | November 02, 2009 at 08:37 PM
Yeah, I need someone to explain this to me. Someone like Scribbletone needs to come shed light on us Braves fans.
I can only assume that Frank Wren has something tricky up his sleeve.
Posted by: WS2009 | November 02, 2009 at 08:37 PM
WS2009, if Liberty decides to open up the bank(as an insider has reported) then why not? Maybe they told Wren to go get a LHP and will let him sign Bay or Holldiay
Posted by: Tom-A-Hawk | November 02, 2009 at 08:40 PM
About the lack of lefties in the Braves rotation, I'd rather take my chances with Mike Minor than pay $40-60 million on Chapman.
They need to use that money on bettering the offense and the bullpen. Paying more big money for starting pitching is the last thing they should do.
Posted by: homeofdabrave | November 02, 2009 at 08:41 PM
Wren probably has some suitors for Lowe and Kawakami. Why he is resigning Hudson and interested in things like this. Lowe and Kawakami is 60 mil that can be unloaded. Considering that they are our #5 and 6 starter right now, something will certainly give.
Adding a lefty also would help a ton, when facing the Utley, Howard, Ibanez lineup in the division.
Posted by: Bravesfan4life88 | November 02, 2009 at 08:42 PM
Yeah, the only way this makes baseball sense is if Wren has found trade partners for both Lowe and Kawakami AND Wren feels that he needs a young lefty in the rotation with velocity.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 02, 2009 at 08:44 PM
We wouldn't just be adding Chapman, we would be unloading pitching as well.
If you're Wren, paying a 21 year old lefty that throws 102 (Chapman) to be your 5th starter is alot more attractive than paying a 36 year old a similar amount (Lowe).
Posted by: Bravesfan4life88 | November 02, 2009 at 08:45 PM
Hmm, haven't heard about Liberty opening up the pursestrings. How nice would it be to get up to the 110-120M range to try and match the Phils and Mets in spending power.
Posted by: bbxxj | November 02, 2009 at 08:49 PM
WS2009, I'm not sure that even Scribbletone could explain this strange move. I see no actual reason for the Braves to sign Chapman, other than to get younger, or to have more reason to toss Lowe.
wisbrave, that's what I thought. I figured people would find Casey more valuable. That said, I'd be open to the Brewers trading him. I'd hate to see him go, mostly because he was such an asset to us and he is such a great guy. However, we really need some pitching.
Bravesfan4life88, I really think that Gamel could improve on defense. Most of his errors this season in both the Majors and Minors came on throws where he had a lot of time. When he gets time to think about what he's doing, he has a tendency to overthrow. But he can make all the spectacular plays. I've seen him do it. He's got a cannon of an arm, and he will be great with the bat. I'm convinced there is someone out there who could fix his defense. (Just my opinion, though.)
Tom-A-Hawk, sure. :) That will never happen, unless we can get someone like Jair Jurrjens, another really good pitcher, and several million prospects. :) lol
Posted by: Sage | November 02, 2009 at 08:49 PM
Let me ruin the surprise ending to this story...either the Red Sox or the Yankees get him.
Posted by: Gstill45 | November 02, 2009 at 08:52 PM
I don't think it has any chance of happening, I just don't think people should write it off.
Vazquez-Jurrjens-Hudson-Hanson-Chapman is more attractive then Vazquez-Jurrjens-Hudson-Hanson-Lowe/Kawakami both now and into the future, to actually save money as well, why doesn't that make sense.
Posted by: Bravesfan4life88 | November 02, 2009 at 08:55 PM
Intersting...
Posted by: spliff(TONE) | November 02, 2009 at 08:55 PM
Let me ruin the surprise ending to this story...either the Red Sox or the Yankees get him.
Posted by: Gstill45 | November 02, 2009 at 08:52 PM
They can have him because the Braves sure as h ell don't need him. (at least, not for $40-60 million)
Posted by: homeofdabrave | November 02, 2009 at 08:58 PM
Everybody keeps looking at us signing chapman meaning that Lowe or KK will be traded but more than likely it means that Vasquez will be moved too. Vasquez is a much more attractive piece to get us a good RH bat because he only has one year left. My guess is if we get chapman Vasquez will be gone as well as either Lowe or Kk
Posted by: asajr | November 02, 2009 at 09:01 PM
If the Braves sign Chapman, my guess is he spends the year in the minors or the bullpen (likely the minors). His secondary pitches are not MLB SP ready yet.
Posted by: QuadBravesFan | November 02, 2009 at 09:14 PM
Not probable but possible. I believe there could possibly be a trade worked out for two of of the 3 (Vazques, KK, Lowe) if that was to happen i say do it. JJ Hanson Chapman Medlen sounds like a good young rotation for years to come. Toss in a healthy Hudson and its filthy. Unless you trade two of the three though you can't sign him. Vasquez for Casey would work for me as a braves fan and then trade lowe for a bucket of balls if someone will take the salary. I could also see JJ traded for the right piece.
Posted by: SPSU37 | November 02, 2009 at 09:21 PM
"Only reason it makes sense is because of the lack of a lefty in our rotation. Trade Lowe and Kawakami, save about 60 mil there, give Chapman the 40 mil he wants, save 20 mil and have a rotation of"
Problem is, the Braves wouldn't be saving $60 million by dealing those two. What team out there is going to want to pay Derek Lowe $15 million a year when he's 39 years old and coming off a down year? Kawakami may actually be worth his $7 million a year, but I just don't see this happening.
I don't know what Chapman's timetable is for signing with someone, but if the Braves go down that road, Wren is going to have zero leverage when attempting to solicit offers for Lowe/Vazquez/Kawakami...
Posted by: vtadave | November 02, 2009 at 09:24 PM
"Yeah, I need someone to explain this to me. Someone like Scribbletone needs to come shed light on us Braves fans."
I'm not scribble, but I can give similar insight. He and I run on the same mind hamster wheel.
First off, I give nearly zero chance Wren is actually interested in Chapman, despite the heading of the article. Wren says he is "interested" because it gets casual Braves fans more involved with the team. Quite possibly, it gets more butts in seats, which makes a nice profit. It also, more likely, is to raise the price up for other teams trying to sign Chapman; they'll offer him an offer below what is expected, probably in the $14-18 million range. If he doesn't accept, Wren can say he "tried his best." It's a common GM move.
Then, there's the very unlikely chance of Wren wanting to trade Vasquez or Lowe, thereby opening up salary, and inserting Chapman into the rotation. I don't think he should trade either, at this point, for the following reason. People seem to be forgetting that Chapman is NOT major-league ready at this point.
I think it's just a public relations move. Just a rumor, nothing comes of it.
Posted by: UnbiasedYankee | November 02, 2009 at 09:46 PM
"People seem to be forgetting that Chapman is NOT major-league ready at this point." -UnbiasedYankee
Totally agree.
Posted by: manny24 | November 02, 2009 at 09:54 PM
Per Bowman's blog, Braves & Wren are now denying interest in Chapman.
http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/11/braves_deny_interest_in_chapma.html
Posted by: Kinsey | November 02, 2009 at 09:57 PM
and another rumor bites the dust...
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | November 02, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Eh, it was fun to discuss, as rumors always are. I suspected there was something funky about this one, though. I mean, come on, this just would be a terrible move on the part of the Braves, unless it would have been a PR stunt, as UnbiasedYankee suggested.
Posted by: Sage | November 02, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I read the Cubs' Inbox on mlb.com today. Carrie Muskat said the Cubs are NOT in on Chapman. Let it die.
Posted by: cubs223425 | November 02, 2009 at 11:39 PM
fail rumor. If Atlanta were interested it would be to get him to trade him I think.
Posted by: bravesfan1018 | November 02, 2009 at 11:56 PM
I think they have enough arms already, why would they want another?
No way this is true.
Posted by: Mrmet101 | November 03, 2009 at 12:14 AM
"This makes about as much sense as the Yankees trading for a third baseman."
This is true.
Posted by: Mrmet101 | November 03, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Why cant Wren just do what we need this year, and thats the same thing that the Braves have needed for the past two years, and that is land a RH bat with pop. Trade Lowe, dont trade Lowe, i dont care, just get the bat. If your worried about price, see what Nady can be had for, if healthy he should provide at least 270. 25 and 80. DO NOT SIGN another Garrett Anderson type player. If your going to do this, you might as well sign Ron Gant to play Left.
Posted by: BSnipes | November 03, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Depending upon what our scouts see...I think its great...if the kid is THAT GOOD.
Yes, we have Jair, and we have Hanson, both are young and have explosive potential...but the rest of the guys are getting into their twilight years or will be close to un-affordable in any case.
I think signing a great YOUNG starting rotation is the way to go...sorry if I seem to be sentimental to our last unprecedented string of division championships.
Sounds like Wren is following the Schuerholz blueprint, I for one am thankful.
Posted by: jadarm | November 03, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Even though the rumor has been denied I don't know what team wouldn't want another potential frontline starter if it had the money.
It would be tough/impossible to trade Lowe but Kawakami can be moved freeing up 15M off the books. And Vazquez will likely be leaving as a FA in a year which is the earliest that Chapman would likely be up.
The Braves do have other priorities but getting team control for 6 years of another potential ace for $30-40M could be a great deal for any club regardless of the teams current roster.
Posted by: kab21 | November 03, 2009 at 12:34 AM
I dont think this rumor is true but if it is maybe the Braves see him as a better fit to be a closer. They do need help in the backend of the bullpen and a lefty that throws 100 could help out alot
Posted by: Crown_royal_34 | November 03, 2009 at 07:20 AM
this makes all the sense in the world ....we need a lefty to compete with philly and we will be also getting rid of the dinosoure in lowe lol im sure wren can send yunel to lure him in..even if he doesnt start he can pitch out the bullpen till he gets exp and we also need a good setup man since soriano and gonzo are free agents ....
Posted by: bravesinmiami | November 03, 2009 at 07:37 AM
Is anyone surprised that Wren is denying this rumor?
I'm sorry, but as nice as it would seem to be, the Braves really shouldn't be focusing on spending money on pitching. If anything, they need to focus on dumping some of their pitchers in order to free up payroll space to spend on position players.
If they just signed Hudson, and have essentially four solid pieces in the lineup (Jones, McCann, Escobar, McLouth), then does it really seem like a good idea to spend more money on pitching, rather than on help in the outfield and at first base, where the projected internal starter is Barbaro Canizares?
I just don't see this rumor adding up, I can't see the Braves spending $40M+ on Chapman, but that's just me.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 03, 2009 at 08:39 AM
after what happend with towers and the padres wren is goin to turn down any rumors till anything is for sure
Posted by: braves1087 | November 03, 2009 at 11:48 AM
I know the divorce could create problems, but would it make sense for the Dodgers to take a run at him? We aren't overflowing in the minors with SP Prospects...
Posted by: brocmiller1 | November 03, 2009 at 01:12 PM
IMHO, I dont think this kid will touch the majors til 2011-12...sure, he has a 100mph+ FB ,but with minimal control and no secondary pitches..hes gonna need a year or 2 til hes ready..FYI, the sox have an array of 19-22 yr old pitchers in the system..I really dont see them spending 40mil on this kid..
Posted by: chowdah | November 03, 2009 at 01:17 PM
The Cubs won't be signing Chapman, according to Carrie Muskat. She said that "...but you can cross the Cubs off the list of teams interested in Cuban left-handed pitcher Aroldis Chapman. He has met with several big league teams and the Cubs did talk to his agent, but Chapman doesn't fit in their budget."
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091102&content_id=7602966&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc
Posted by: Cubs017 | November 03, 2009 at 04:18 PM
You can never have too much pitching. I don't see the braves commiting big time money to a player who they wont consider major league ready for at least a year in the minors. It would be nice to have three aces under the age of 25 who you could lock up long term and forget about the 30+ set for a while.
Honesty, the Washington Nationals should consider throwing this kid whatever money he wants. In one year they could have two of the top pitchers in baseball for a reasonable amount of money.
Posted by: Roberty | November 03, 2009 at 07:15 PM
This actually makes sense to me, we add a lefty and his salary will be comparable to Vasquez's. Move Vasquez to the Rangers for Cruz and probably move Lowe as a salary dump unfortuneately. The payroll goes down significantly and you get some pop in the outfield, then you can re-sign LaRoche and add some bullpen help. Medlen could be your long reliever and spot starter. That includes a lot of if's but maybe Wren has something up his sleeve.
Posted by: siskel_god | November 03, 2009 at 07:45 PM
Vazquez no trade to NL and AL West
Posted by: bravesfan22193 | November 03, 2009 at 08:32 PM