Aroldis Chapman Rumors: Friday

7:30pm: ESPN's Jorge Arangure says (via Twitter) that if the Yankees don't sign Chapman, he'd be willing to bet that it has more to do with makeup than money. 

5:49pm: Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweets that the Reds are in on Chapman, however the Jays remain the favorite. In a second tweet, Rosenthal mentions that Toronto has money to spend after sending Scott Rolen, Alex Rios, and Roy Halladay packing.

4:00pm: Jon Heyman of SI.com tweets that the Blue Jays have a "decent shot" at signing Chapman, now that they appear to have bid over $20MM. He names the Nationals, Marlins, Red Sox, A's and Angels as potential players for the prospect.

12:11pm: As the Aroldis Chapman sweepstakes continue, at least one outlet is reporting that the Blue Jays have made the left-hander a considerable offer. Jorge Ebro of El Nuevo Herald reports that the Jays offered Chapman a $23MM deal (click here for the Miami-based paper's original Spanish story and here for some Drunk Jays Fans analysis).

Ebro reports that the Marlins raised their offer to $16MM, but have now conceded defeat. Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reported yesterday that the Marlins did not expect to sign Chapman. That leaves the Angels, Red Sox and Blue Jays in pursuit of the Cuban prospect.


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142 Comments on "Aroldis Chapman Rumors: Friday"


Sampsonite168
5 years 6 months ago

Sounds to me like the Jays have made the highest offer, but Champan probably prefers to play for the Sox or Angels.

jjippidy
5 years 6 months ago

Come on people, it’s gonna be about money and career opportunities, not language and weather.

People keep talking about weather, about languages. He’d have stayed in Cuba if he wanted Cuban weather and a familiar dialect….

The guys looking to sign a contract, not buy a house, find a home, meet a women.

He can live wherever he wants during the off season. During the season he’s on the road half the time, Toronto is about as immigrant friendly as a city gets and warm as most places if not more so.

Rob NY
5 years 6 months ago

$23m for how many years?

theUpdate23
5 years 6 months ago

it would like signing a minor league free agent…he’d be controlable for 6 years after he makes the majors…say he spends this year and part of next in the minors….he wouldn’t be elidgable for free agency until 2018….as for cubans coming to canada, they need to be approved for a tourist/visiting visa, and is usually only granted if they have family living in canada legally…

vilifyingforce
5 years 6 months ago

5 years probably all at league min (MLB/Minor). The big money is all a signing bonus.

Since_77
5 years 6 months ago

It would be good for the overall competitive balance in Baseball if the Blue Jays signed this kid. There are risks involved with this signing but the other prospects the Jays recevied from the Marniers and Phillies there is hope for baseball in Toronto.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

It might not sound like a big deal in the blogosphere, but, I think the Spanish-speaking community part of it looms large, so the overpay might be to offset that. I don’t actually know what the details are like for Toronto, but I am not sure if there is a large Latin-American community found there. Anyone? Just imagine choosing to go somewhere where a language gap might make the most ordinary things a little more difficult. Having some kind of basic community already in place would help, a la the way Asian-American communities on the West Coast seems to help make Asian players transition to the big leagues fairly easily at this point.

JPBC
5 years 6 months ago

Hullo is right. Like 95% of athletes, he will most likely just go wherever offers him the most money.

None of us have any idea if he cares whether or not he plays in a city with a good chance to win soon (Boston, LA) or a city with a high hispanic population (LA) or in a country with no restrictions about visiting Cuba (Toronto).

For all we know, he may not care about any of that.

Unless he’s a very different athlete, he’ll go wherever pays him the most.

5 years 6 months ago

I think when it comes down to it, it’s really just about money and that’s 95% of the decision. He isn’t going to take a 6$ million paycut just due to language barriers. I still don’t believe the Jays offered Chapman that much, after all – this is just from Florida sources. If JP was still in charge, he’d be personally telling us how much he bid on Chapman. I still say the Red Sox take Chapman for 27$/5 ish. Cannot see the Jays going higher than 20/5.

ju1ced
5 years 6 months ago

Why wouldn’t the Jays go higher? THey saved more than that from Rios and Halladay this year already. The ownership group will spend money if they think it’s the right thing to do. They’d go with a $120M payroll if there was reason for it.

grownice
5 years 6 months ago

your red sox bias is clouding your brain.

$1526717
5 years 6 months ago

Toronto has a huge immigrant population, but its mostly Africans and Asians. Only 2.6% of the population is of Latin American descent.

I would guess the Angels are the frontrunners. Big media market, nice weather, larger Spanish-speaking population, and Kendry Morales.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

Yes, my comments aren’t meant to imply that Canada at large isn’t an open and multicultural place. At all. For instance I think there are few US cities that can compete with how much, say, Vancouver has embraced Asian communities. The Latin communities of Toronto is just what I was wondering about. I am not knowledgable about that at all so any knowledge is welcome!

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

If something preventable like a language barrier could be an obstacle to your long-term success, you could argue that 6M difference today would pay off in millions and years more later.

Though I don’t disagree. Money is a major factor, of course. I am just pointing out that there are other factors than just pure money. For instance, Vladimir G turned down significant millions and years more to play in a more Spanish-friendly environment in Anaheim, way back when.

5 years 6 months ago

So every young Spanish-speaking player should just go to Florida because of the language? What nonsense is that. If you really think that a prospect with major potential will be successful in the Bigs only if he’s surrounded by similar speaking people, you’re delusional.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

You’re taking my words too an extreme to make your argument. All reports suggest that he doesn’t speak a lick of English. The Jays staff and roster tends to lack Latin born players or coaches. Other teams, not necessarily FLA teams, have some ability to support players with a Latin background. Some are just better at it than others, and has a rep to be so. The Jays just aren’t one of them. It’s not a knock against the Jays; it’s just one of those things. There was a time when, say, the Mets had that kind of rep, until Omar Minaya was hired and changed it thru signings and baseball academies. You don’t just accidentally make that transition. you have to actually try.

5 years 6 months ago

“It’s one of those things” that really doesn’t matter. It’s the equivalent argument to speaking about intangibles, grit and chemistry of a baseball team. It’s all drivel. Unless you’re Roy Halladay, it simply comes down to: who is offering the most money?

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

Again. I am not saying money is insignificant. At all. I am just saying that cultural factors are a factor. In other words, it translates into a team without the infrastructure to support him to pay a little more to offset those kinds of obstacles. A team like FLA starts at zero when they bid; A team without that same advantage might have to bid with a handicap.

I am not going to continue this because it seems like you want to make take my argument to an extreme that I am not making for the sake of an internet debate.

Andy Mc
5 years 6 months ago

Alex Gonzalez, Edwin Encarnacion, Jose Bautista, Raul Chavez… I’m sure a young Cuban could find some friends in Toronto…

Toronto has a vibrant Hispanic community, Although it is only 3-4% of 6,000,000. It is still a significant amount of people. Up to 200,000 people.

I think the lack of income tax in NV and NH may play big as well.

bjsguess
5 years 6 months ago

You can’t compare Toronto to Southern California from a Hispanic/Latin American perspective. I’ve lived in one place and visited the other. They are not in the same ballpark.Sure money can be a deciding factor. But when you are talking about a million or two spread out of a $23-25m contract these other factors do come into play. Having friends on the team, the success of the team, the location all weigh into a decision like this. I’m not suggesting that he will be an Angel. However, I bet if the Angels offer is within a million or two the other intangibles could sway him to So Cal.

Andy Mc
5 years 6 months ago

no kidding about the comp. I wasn`t suggesting that, just that toronto is no white winter wasteland, is all.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

No one said Toronto, or Canada for that matter, is a cultural abyss. Not by any means. We’re just talking about Latin-American communities in Toronto.

I agree with bjsguess, pretty much as eloquently he puts it. The Latin-American community being in place in the city in question won’t necessarily make a contract prohibitive in itself, but if all other things are more or less equal, it could be a deciding factor. There’s no lack of very generous bids here, so why not?

dire straits
5 years 6 months ago

Best perspective on this topic yet. Kudos.

johnsilver
5 years 6 months ago

If Chapman is/was looking for a vibrant Cuban community, then he would have to look nor further than Miami and take the 16m, or whatever the exact figure the Fish are offering.

I have a good feeling that most of the posters here have -0- clue exactly how strong/large the Cuban population in south Florida actually is.. Well, it is very large and many do not even speak English. It has changed very much over the last 25-30 years. This would be the ideal place for a recent Cuban immigrant, especially after the mariel boat lift when the entire area changed. If that was the sole criteria, imagine Chapman would have already signed on the dotted line.

Cash, instructors and above all, a path to the majors are almost certainly what is driving his wish list and not some kind of Spanish speaking homeys. Why people keep bringing this up for all races…

5 years 6 months ago

Aroldis Chapman is going to be the next….wait for it…. Jose Contreras!! Whoo Hoo!!

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

Yeah. We have to be careful about the latest and greatest International Import star. Most of these guys don’t come close to their hype. The only ones in recent memory are Ichiro and Hideki Matsui. The others are names like Soriano, Irabu, Contreras, Dice-K, Cano, etc. It should also be mentioned that none of them are fullout busts either though. They’ve all to some degree proven to be quality players, maybe not stars, but at least the ones who aren’t “past their prime” at the time of import have made contributions.

5 years 6 months ago

I would call Irabu and Contreras total BUSTS. One thing to consider is how many of them actually played up to the kind of money dumped on them from the outset?? Very few.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

Those two were stars in their former leagues after strong young careers, but came into the majors at about 30 yrs old (probably older in Contreras’ case). Irabu was a somewhat bust. Though Contreras did prove to be a reliable veteran pitcher who might not have been a star, but he had some All-Star seasons, and has been a productive pitcher. If a “bust” is a guy who doesn’t become a star, then I agree with you. Though if a “bust” is a player who is of no major league value whatsoever then, I agree with Irabu (more or less) but not on Contreras.

BoSoxSam
5 years 6 months ago

What about Hideki Okajima? Just curious where you value him. I know he didn’t have as good of a year last year, but he has consistently been a strong performer for the Red Sox bullpen.

BoSoxSam
5 years 6 months ago

Ahh but I just realized…not mentioned because he wasn’t hailed as a star coming to the U.S. Funny though, that he has been much more important for the Sox than Dice-K who DID come in with that supposed star power. Watch out for Dice-K though: I have a feeling he might go crazy (good) next year.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

Yeah, I meant to just include the list of international players who came into the league with buzz. Okajima was/is a solid player if you ask me. Strong bargain signing.

stevieh
5 years 6 months ago

@ Jay C

Canadian sports team (Jays, Raptors and Leafs) pay teams in US dollars not Canadian..

But with the way your country is killing your dollar, Chapman might be better off signing a contract in Canadian dollars. (Or I guess he could just buy it in US and play with some futures/options, he may even be able to sign a contract that pays him in whatever currency is higher at the time).

LawUSA87
5 years 6 months ago

No matter how weak the dollar may be the Canadian currency will be weaker.

djfanon
5 years 6 months ago

Likely true, but immaterial because theres no way that sort of contract would ever happen.

corkedbat
5 years 6 months ago

I’ll go ahead and give you a couple minutes to look up the historical innacuracy of that statement and then wait for you to come back with a retraction….

and on a BASEBALL related note. I really hope the Jays pull this off. I don’t really care about the $ since it’s not my $, I only care about the talent (or in this case potential).

blurnandez
5 years 6 months ago

What a ridiculous statement.

diehardsincebirth
5 years 6 months ago

Jays may be gunshy after rios/wells deals. Sounds like this is not a “sure” thing. I’d take cano, dice-k, soriano any day. Also Boston has Jose Iglesias in the farm which this guy is fairly close with. Not sure if he knows Kendry Morales more (or less). Like to see in Tor or Fla to simply balance out the ML. I am a huge Boston fan, but I think enough is enough, spread some of the wealth.

jaysguy
5 years 6 months ago

One advantage I like for the Jays is AA’s ability to speak Spanish. Along with some of the other things Toronto has going for it, Chapman might appreciate being able to have a face-to-face convo with AA without using interpreteurs.

theUpdate23
5 years 6 months ago

i agree…he speaks 4 languages…gotta help…he was raised by greek parents, taught himself spanish, was raised in montreal in and english/french community

OCSportsGeek
5 years 6 months ago

Mike Scioscia and the majority of the Angels team – – let alone hispanic Ownership – – speak spanish, and this has worked in the past to entice latin players.

coltholt
5 years 6 months ago

Further, the Reds have Mario Soto who has been working with their young pitchers along with having Cueto, Volquez, and Cordero on staff as well as Hernandez at catcher…so I think that all major players have their own advantage in spanish speaking options

brianc6234
5 years 6 months ago

I hear the Angels are hours away from signing Chapman. He said he doesn’t want to play baseball in Cananda. Canadians don’t even like baseball. Why would someone risk their life to get out of Cuba and get to the Majors to play in Toronto? Nothing against Blue Jays fans but admit it, Canadians don’t care about baseball.

Another reason he wouldn’t be smart to go to Toronto is the Blue Jays don’t have much hope of getting to the playoffs since they’re in the AL East.

Steelslayer
5 years 6 months ago

You are an enlightened individual…cheers to that, and i agree with you. I continually fail to understand why fans from NY and to a lesser extent Boston, have this unyeilding desire to possess every piece of existing or future talent which will in the end turn hurt the game. Should there really only be two teams that have such high payrolls, and allstars at every position (and on the bench) so that it becomes a forgone conclusion as to who will win every year?

HansonAce
5 years 6 months ago

This would be a great move by the Blue Jays to overpay now to get Chapman…It’s a gamble but if this kid pans out to be #1/#2 for 5/23M would be peanuts…Though I do believe that if the Angles are close to this # as in $$/Yrs than I would give a huge edge to the Angles with the Morales connection and SoCal (Mass Spanish Population) that could very well influence his final decisions as a better transition point to the States.

5 years 6 months ago

In regards the comments about the language barrier, the Jays actually have a pretty good mix of Spanish speakers at all levels of their system except maybe AAA Las Vegas, although admittedly it’s a more Dominican flavoured mix. Assuming he’d be starting at AA he’d be alongside fellow Cuban Kenny Rodriguez, as well as the likes of Sierra, Polanco, Estanga, etc…

I reckon the language barrier while a factor is really only a limited one.

5 years 6 months ago

Yup. If you want to take stock in language barriers, food they eat and other gobbidygook -> Kenny Rodriguez, fellow team-mate and friend of Chapman would actually be PLAYING with Chapman this year. Unlike, Victor Martinez who speaks Spanish but would be gone by the time Chapman hits the Bigs… same goes for Kendry Morales.

stevieh
5 years 6 months ago

I read this on another forum, and I am really starting to feel this way..

Wouldn’t the Jays be much better off signing 20 Dominican stars for approx a mill each, than give Chapman 24 million.. If Chapman we’re signed would a team trade 24 Dominicans they gave a million dollar signing bonus to get him? That would be the most lopsided trade of all time…

Imagine if the Yankees would have taken the 45 mill (or whatever it was) for Igawa and sunk that into pure Domincan prospects, they would have the best farm system in the Majors!

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

Yeh. SERIOUSLY. The Jays are a traditionally cost-conscious club. It’s not so much that this is out of character that bothers me (even though it is), but it sounds like a “message” type of bid, but at what cost?

It’s a pretty risky move for the Jays. Not that they are a “small-market” club in the usual sense, but, if they invest this much in Aroldis, that means HE HAS TO BECOME a #1-2 SP. No other option. If he becomes a “Servicable #3 type” or a Dice-K type of career what does that do to their investment?

5 years 6 months ago

25$ for 6-7 years of a very high ceiling young player is not a risk for the Jays, even if Chapman flames out. Does a cost-conscious club give a closer a 48$ million contract? Blue Jays ownership made billions last year, they are willing to spend IF it’s for making the club a consistent winner down the road. Best way to do that is to stockpile high-ceiling long-controllable young players. Technically, the Jays have $30 million to spend this year from the money saved from Rolen, Rios and Halladay. Why not use it? (P.S. Toronto is one of biggest markets in baseball.)

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

No matter how you phrase it, it’s functionally a 23-25M contract to a “prospect” who has never thrown a ball competitively in the US.He’s a special talent who has international experience, but if he came up thru the states, he’d be a lottery pick 22 yr old (and probably tested thru the college system). A 23M mlb contract would shatter the recently set record by #1 pick Stephen Strasburg (4/15M). Many teams scoff at 6M signing bonuses that are much less major committments (non-MLB contracts).

Spin it however you want. I’m not knocking Toronto. I hope they get him and he’s a huge success for them, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a risk, calculated or not. Deal with it.

jjippidy
5 years 6 months ago

If he becomes a serviceable number 3 for the price of an initial 25 million dollar contract and is controllable through 2017….. To answer your question it’d be a hell of a steal.

get it out of your heads, right now, that he needs to become and Ace or #2 for the deal to be worthwhile.

If he became a number 3 type of arm… at 5 mill per year plus controllability till close to 2020, find me that type of deal on the free agent market…….

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

He’s 22.

If he were born here, he’d either be drafted this season out of college, or, continuing his minor league career after being drafted out of HS. Asking him to be a #3 MLB starter right now would be the same as asking him to have, say, Felix Hernandez’s first full season. The kid has not even ever pitched anything close to a 200IP season.

jjippidy
5 years 6 months ago

I’m not trying to suggest that you should be overly happy if he turns out to be just an above average starter, just that if he became a solid #3 you’d have to view that as, at the very least, a solid addition and not the bust some of you suggest.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

I agree with you. If he turns out to be a #3 MLB SP then it can only be viewed as a success. The point is that, it’s not even garuanteed that he’ll even reach the big leagues. He’s basically a prospect. Most of these international imports are vets of another league in the world. Chapman is still a very young player.

kconnolly
5 years 6 months ago

Toronto is a very multicultural city — some say the most successful in the world. Naturally we can’t compete with New York or South Florida for Latin American culture, but there are skads of Spanish speaking people here and many of our baseball stars over the years, Fernandez, Bell, Griffin, Alomar, Delgado have been from South and Central America. Pre-Ricciardi we were the destination team for young players from the Dominican. Chapman will thrive here, and once he works out his hassle back home, there’s a very free flow of people back and forth to Cuba, which might also attract him.

For the record on the Canadian dollar. It’s almost always been valued lower against the U.S. dollar, but that’s been by design. You are by far our biggest trading partner. If our goods cost less, for currency reasons, that’s a big competitive advantage. Historically our dollar lives at about 75-80 cents U.S. on average, which is also a nice boon if you’re paid in US dollars. And we get stuff for our taxes. Like universal high quality, free health care. All kinds of good reasons to play in Canada.

S8P7W
5 years 6 months ago

I’m not so sure about “high quality”, but it’s definitely universal, free health care (no premiums!).

5 years 6 months ago

Technically it isn’t free either since we pay huge taxes.

S8P7W
5 years 6 months ago

The term “huge” is only relative to the US. And I’m OK with the taxes. Live in Europe for a while and you’ll know what I’m talking about 😮

kconnolly
5 years 6 months ago

It’s high quality, trust me. Look up Sick Children’s Hospital in Toronto. Best on the planet. I love your country, but people down there seem scared that government controlled anything is crap, and I understand that, but this is one area that works up here. My father had a complete quadruple bypass performed at a world-class heart facility that has been a complete success. Follow-up checkups close to his home, all meds and tests covered, ongoing monitoring. Cost to him: $0. Same thing if your grandmother has a stroke or your child has leukemia. It’s not perfect, nothing is, but it’s very good and hasn’t bankrupted the economy.

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S8P7W
5 years 6 months ago

I can respect that. You obviously have had more experience with it than I have.
My beef is with waiting times, basically.

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

Thanks for the background info. I just raised it because in so many cases in the recent past when contract extensions with quality Latin players have come up with Toronto, like Delgado and Alomar, the star player tends to choose to leave Toronto. Maybe it’s just perception. Maybe it’s a J.P. regime thing too. I don’t mean to knock the city at all. I actually love Canada (more Montreal and Vancouver for me though).

safari_punch
5 years 6 months ago

Our health care in Canada is not quality. Stop lying.

Steelslayer
5 years 6 months ago

Why is 5mil over 5 or six years risky—they pay good bench players that dude. If he can be a serviceable no 3 for 5 mil I am happy with that

basemonkey
5 years 6 months ago

No matter how you phrase it, it’s functionally a 23-25M contract to a “prospect” who has never thrown a ball competitively in the US.

He’s a special talent who has international experience, but if he came up thru the states, he’d be a lottery pick 22 yr old (and probably tested thru the college system). A 23M mlb contract would shatter the recently set record by #1 pick Stephen Strasburg (4/15M). Many teams scoff at 6M signing bonuses that are much less major committments (non-MLB contracts).

grownice
5 years 6 months ago

its funny how people temd to think its a high risk move for the jays, this contract even say at 5 years 25 milion is peanuts EVEN if he never makes the bigs or at best becomes a long reliever or something it wouldnt even put a dent in the jays potential cap down the road. people who dont follow toronto dont realise that. this is the perfect oppurtunity to splurge with all the room theyver saved ona high ceiling controllable prospect, completely goes with what AA was saying about his plan for the jays. ofcourse if the jays get him teams who wanted him will say oh you guys overpaid, hell be a bust, etc, but the funny thing is it would not matter in the least, especially since 17 million will be coming off the books for next year, and our payroll is already around 60 mill , this would be a brilliant move by AA, whather it works out or not, it shows his willingness to bring us back to 92-93 ina few years. Do what you gotta do AA you got my vote!

dire straits
5 years 6 months ago

Peanuts if he never makes it to the majors? 5 mil. a year in the team payroll means nothing, no dent at all?
I wish my team was this loaded!

arsenal908
5 years 6 months ago

i don’t see the red sox or angels going higher than the jays in the pursuit of chapman . the jays made a solid offer of 23 million . thers far more reasons for chapman to want to go join the jays than any other team. the only “reason” that the angels have is that chapman is good friends with morales. what? so? does this mean hes not going to make any friends if he joins a different club? i dont see the red sox raising their offer of 15.5 million. they would have to offer 3-4 million higher than the jays to make it seem unique. and a offer of 26-27 million for a guy who most likely will not see action in the majors while in a red sox uniform just seems silly.