Twins Made Offer To Jarrod Washburn

SATURDAY, 1:13pm: Neal reports that Washburn has turned down Minnesota's offer.

FRIDAY, 4:08pm: Neal hears that the Twins made Washburn a one-year offer worth about $5MM. Neal hears that talks have been "pretty much dead" since the club made the initial offer.

THURSDAY, 10:28am: La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune spoke to several Twins people yesterday and "received NO indications that an offer has been made."  Talking to MLB.com's Kelly Thesier, Washburn would not comment on Miller's report but said the Twins are "definitely one of the teams at the top of my list of places I'd like to end up."

TUESDAY, 10:35pm: The Twins made an offer to lefty Jarrod Washburn, reports Scott Miller of CBSSports.com.  Miller doesn't have the details, though I'd say Washburn is a candidate for a one-year deal in the $6-7MM range.  Then again, he's represented by Scott Boras.  The Twins claimed Washburn off waivers from the Mariners in August of '08, but a deal could not be reached.

The Twins would have decent rotation depth with Washburn, since Carl Pavano accepted arbitration earlier this winter.  Miller believes the depth might allow the Twins to trade for a third baseman.  Kevin Kouzmanoff is the oft-discussed name, though Dan Uggla or Mat Gamel could make sense in my opinion.

Washburn might be considered similar to Doug Davis and Jon Garland; the Brewers are expected to sign one of the three.  The Mets could also enter the mix.


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226 Comments on "Twins Made Offer To Jarrod Washburn"


Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Washburn to Twins
Davis to Mets
Garland to Brewers

trade Glen Perkins and Anthony Swarzak and Danny Valencia for Dan Uggla

heineken_77
5 years 7 months ago

no dan uggla, not what the twins need. Why would we get rid of Danny Valencia when he’s our best prospect/ready for 3rd base.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Because he’s 25 years old and is not their best prospect and has done nothing to prove he’s completely major league ready

5 years 7 months ago

thats too much for Uggla but it would be a popular move with fans.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I disagree with you. Glen Perkins fits nowwhere in the Twins rotation and has value. Danny Valencia Needs to be used to reel in a big bat for Minnesota since they lost out on Adrian beltre. What about if the twins sign Miguel Tejada?

5 years 7 months ago

I would like a Tejada signing. I think Tejada would be a nice fit with the club as he has shown a consistent ability to hit at or near .300 with some pop. He also always has a nice OPS and OBP two things the twins value. Any combo of the following would work for me regarding the 2B and 3B holes.

TEJADA 3B
PUNTO 2B

TEJADA 3B
CABRERA 2B

CREDE 3B
PUNTO 2B

CREDE 3B
CABRERA 2B

CREDE 3B
UGGLA 2B

TEJADA 3B
UGGLA 2B

(how great would that last one be, definitely the most unprobable I’m afraid.)

5 years 7 months ago

A Tejada/Uggla infield might be an offensive upgrade from 2009, but it would also be a really poor defensive one. Tejada’s defense at SS has been declining each year, and while a move to 3B might make sense from a range standpoint, it doesn’t automatically mean he’ll be a good 3B. In regards to Uggla, he was the second worst defensive 2B in baseball last season (according to FanGraphs). For a team like the Twins, they need good defense to stay competitive with their richer neighbors.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

I agree. If the Twins do go for a 3rd baseman, I think it should be a trade for Kouz. His defense really blossomed last season and he should really come into his own as a hitter with a move out of safeco.

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

i have a question for twins fans

is the new target field a hitters park, pitchers park, or neutral? just wondering.

S_B_G
5 years 7 months ago

Since there have been zero games played there, I’m going with neutral.

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

nah..trade joe mauer, justin morneau, and cuddyer for Dan Ugly and PTBNL

heineken_77
5 years 7 months ago

ahh what?

wilchiro
5 years 7 months ago

I like the signing. Would Melvin Mora be considered for the 3B job for around a 1y 4m contract? Would that be “overpaying” cosidering he is 37?

CrisE
5 years 7 months ago

He’s not $4m good anymore. After 500AB last year that shows he can’t field the position and hit at an average level, he’s got some proving to do. The age just lowers his chances to bounce back.

twins4life
5 years 7 months ago

Seems like the twins have a busy week coming up

5 years 7 months ago

about time huh?

5 years 7 months ago

Uggla would be a nice bat for that lineup. Uggla would probably play second with Joe Crede (if resigned) /Nick Punto/Brendan Harris taking third. Twins have seen a philosophical shift from scrappy get um on get um over get um in guys to some serious thunder up and down the lineup. Even without Uggla, the twins have Kubel Mauer Morneau Cuddyer and yes even Young capable of smacking 25 homers/25 doubles next year. This is by far the most powerful small market team in all of baseball right now.

jayizzo
5 years 7 months ago

The Twins play in a cavern, right? How good is their OF defense? If it’s good, this is a good pickup for something like 2/12 or below. Washburn is an extreme flyball pitcher who can get a lot of outs when he has a good OF defense backing him.

5 years 7 months ago

The Twins outfield is going to be brutal. Delmon & Cuddyer have almost no range, and Span has average to slightly above average range. The dimensions at Target Field will be similar to those at the Metrodome, but who knows how it’ll play…

We already have lots of younger, cheaper soft-tossing flyball pitchers who don’t miss many bats. This just seems like a waste of money. May as well just spend another $2 mil and go after Sheets if you think you need a veteran lefty…

5 years 7 months ago

Span in center will make up for any lost range by Cuddyer and Young. Not our best defensive outfield in terms of speed but all three have flat out CANNONS for arms.

5 years 7 months ago

Doubtful. Span’s range in left & right were way, way above average, but his range in CF isn’t nearly as impressive. Gomez could cover that ground, but Span cannot.

5 years 7 months ago

Range is range, center left or right…Gomez is gone no more need to talk about him. Span is a plus defender, and teams won’t plan to challenge Cuddyer and Young going first to third as they can make them pay with strong accurate throws. You don’t remember all those outfield assists those two had last season?? 18 runners gunned down at either 2nd 3rd or home. That’s very good!

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

no one doubts their arms. outdoor fields of those dimensions play to the hitters advantage…balls that used to die in the outfield at the Metrodome will often carry at Target Field– thus outfield range could be an issue.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Agreed. The team would be spending a lot of money to aquire something they already have plenty of. They would be much better off putting the money toward infield help. For the money that’s being discussed to land Washburn, they could land Hudson – and that would help the team much more than Wasburn.

5 years 7 months ago

Wrong, target field will be a hitters park.

Truitalian9
5 years 7 months ago

there was two of the same posts by different writers. ha ive never seen mlbtr do that before. im surprised washburn is not getting as much attention as he should. He had a good walk year. Well, good enough for a 3 year deal to match Wolf’s. The Mets could be suitors for him if he doesn’t mind going far from Wisconsin. Maybe the Padres they said they were looking for a veteran pitcher.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Washburn makes me cringe. He’s a fly ball pitcher that would be moving from a pitcher friendly Safeco Park to what looks like it will be a much more hitter friendly Target field. His numbers at Safeco also look like a fluke to me.

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

wasburn didnt play in safeco park…he was with the tigers..right?

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

He was with the M’s, then was traded later in the season to the Tigers.

Mauerneau
5 years 7 months ago

Why???? We do not need to spend money on a 35 year old fly ball pitcher coming off an injury. You do not advance in the playoffs with 5 average pitchers. Liriano is our only pitcher with ace potential and despite is solid winter ball so far he cant be counted on.. Slowey, Baker, Blackburn, and Pavano are all solid but we need a power pitcher to match up with CC Sabathia and Josh Beckett if we want to make a run in the playoffs. Bedard at least gives you that ace potential and he will probably come at the same price if not cheaper.. Honestly, I would rather let liriano, perkins and duensing battle it out for the fifth spot than washburn. Take a chance for once Bill, enough of these old, washed up guys.

CrisE
5 years 7 months ago

>>Take a chance for once Bill, enough of these old, washed up guys.

Actually he’s already got his old crafty veteran for 2010 in Pavano. This is just security blanket country and it needs to stop before we start looking like Detroit. We don’t have the money to surround our key players with expensive artifacts from years gone by.

0vercast
5 years 7 months ago

I agree totally, except about Bedard. Let the 3 lefties they have compete for that 5th rotation spot. At least Liriano and Duensing.

HoneyNutIchiro
5 years 7 months ago

Prelude to the Liriano/Jose Lopez deal we heard rumors about?

Baker, Blackburn, Slowey, Pavano & Washburn right?

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

Baker (career 4.30 FIP)
Slowey (career 4.33 FIP)
Washburn (career 4.60 FIP)
Blackburn (career 4.39 FIP)
Pavano (career 4.17 FIP)

what an impressive collection of #3/4 starters…they better hope Target Field plays big, really big

5 years 7 months ago

Twins have the pitching, just need to regain some 2008 form. Slowey and Baker are not #3/#4 starters. I think with the lineup the twins will be using next season a rotation with 5 #3’s with upside will win more games that a team with a true 1-5 rotation.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

by #3/4, I mean they have no true #1 or #2. apparently, you agree. Pavano and Washburn could easily regress to #4/5 in 2010.

5 years 7 months ago

Well you would have to admit, having Pavano and Washburn as your 4/5 starters is a nice position to be in. Many teams are in much dire straits.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

yep, unfortunately for the Twins the White Sox are not one of those teams

5 years 7 months ago

I’m really not afraid of the white sox, they always find new ways to lose. Peavy is gonna get lit up next year playing at the cell against AL teams. Just watch it happen.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

starting pitchers moving from the NL to the AL have been shown to take about a 0.4 hit in ERA on average. His career ERA is 3.26…so he will likely be about a 3.66 ERA pitcher–pretty good.

pinkiepinkerton
5 years 7 months ago

But when you go from Petco (best pitchers park in NL) to the Cell (best hitters park in the AL?) it’s gonna be more than a .4 bump. I still expect him to be a true ace since he’ll still pile up k’s, but era in the 3.80 – 3.90 range, but he’ll never reach the stud numbers he piled up on the west coast.

5 years 7 months ago

I don’t really understand that point either. Peavy will be a hell of a lot better than Pavano, Washburn, Blackburn–and possibly Slowey and Baker. Don’t get me wrong, I like the latter two, but if Peavy is healthy, he’s a top-notch pitcher.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

WSox had the 3rd best FIP in the AL (with Colon and Contreras and without Peavy most of the year), Twins 8th in FIP and moving to a hitters’ ballpark. The math seems easy there…

0vercast
5 years 7 months ago

Peavy is not going to get lit up. He’ll be their best pitcher until he gets hurt.

Suzysman
5 years 7 months ago

We should probably expect a fair K/BB drop, increased HR% and most important a pretty large LOB% loss. He wont get lit up, but I would expect an ERA somewhere in the 3.75-4.00 range.

0vercast
5 years 7 months ago

Baker is a true no. 2 starter IMO. Before this last year I believe he was a top 40 starter. He couldn’t have dropped that far.

wilchiro
5 years 7 months ago

I like this signing for the Twins, considering he is most likely one of the “better” pitchers left on the FA Market. I think they will be pretty much set if they can fix those 2B/3B problems. By the way, I’d love to see the Twins make a move for Mark Reynolds. The D-Backs #2 prospect is Bobby Borchering, another 3B with exceptional power, who could be ready to move to the major leagues. Just wondering…. for something like 430,000, that would be an awesome pickup for the Twins! You may not like his defense or his strikeout ratio, but playing in Minnesota, a hitters ballpark, you could expect 45+ homeruns cosidering he is entering his prime years and Minnisota is a hitters ballpark. What do you think about this?

5 years 7 months ago

That’s a cool name to throw out there.

pinkiepinkerton
5 years 7 months ago

We don’t really know that Minny will have a hitter’s ballpark. I would say until a full season is played, it’s gonna be tough to say.

Forexample, nobody thought a thing about NY’s new stadium and look at all the routine fly balls that found their way over the left field wall. There could be some fluke in Minny as well.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

That’s possible, but right now it’s dimensions look much more favorable to hitters, than pitchers. I have no idea what the Twins see in this guy.

Chipanese
5 years 7 months ago

I was actually a fan of Washburn while he was in the M’s. He was our most consistent pitcher besides Felix. However, he put up those numbers in Safeco, with Franklin “Death To Flying Things” Gutierrez, Ichiro “Ichiro” Suzuki, and Michael “The Condor” (stupid nickname) Saunders.

Yaks
5 years 7 months ago

I really hope mets sign Doug Davis!

5 years 7 months ago

Uggla would be a good addition to the Twins. They would be my surprise pick for the World Series. If they did get him a line up could look like.

CF- Span
3B- Uggla
C- Mauer
1B- Morneau
DH- Kubel
RF- Cuddyer
SS- Hardy
LF- Young
2B- Harris/ Casilla/ Punto

If I were the GM I would do it but I’m not just a pissed off cubs fan

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Uggla’s defense stinks. If the Twins do go for a 3rd baseman it should be Kouz.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Young For Kouz?

The Padres could use a right handed hitting outfielder

5 years 7 months ago

Twins do not have the outfield depth at the ML level to make a trade like this.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

NO? Who is in the minors, in the wings in the outfield?

I, as a Padre fan, wanted Young before last year for Kouz.

5 years 7 months ago

The Twins’ top position prospects other than Wilson Ramos are mostly outfielders, but they’re a few years away. Tosoni is at AA, Morales, Revere, and Hicks are all around the single-A level. Morales & Hicks are very raw, to boot.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Yea I am familiar with Ramos, but that Padres just added another catcher so I am not sure if their would be a mutual interest anymore. Just stating that I would like Young.

IMO Kouz was robbed of the GG award and could really benefit from a “fair” park UNLIKE Petco!

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

I don’t know if I would call Kous not getting the Gold Glove getting robbed. Gold Gloves are a bit different than offensive awards. First off, they’re decided by coaches and managers. They are much harder to impress and are less likely to be swayed by a player having a career year in the field. It usually takes a few years of solid play just to get on their radar. Until a player establishes a consistency of excellence in the field, any big year he has is going to looked at as freakish.

Defense is also very hard to fully quantify by stats alone as well. There are little mental things that come into play. What good is leading the league at your position in range if you throw to the wrong base and allow base runners to advance? It will never show up in the stats, but if a player makes a habit out of it, no coach in his right mind would ever vote for him.

Kous had an amazing year defensively last year, but he also sucked every other year before that. If Kous can string another solid season or two to show 2009 wasn’t a fluke, then he should get his Gold Glove eventually.

Great defense is about Constancy. Doing the job day in and day out. While I can sympathize with the fans who believe the best defensive player gets the Gold Glove, I can’t discount the coaches sticking with the players that have established themselves either.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

Nah, they really don’t. Several of our top prospects are outfielders, but they’re in the lower ranks. Aaron Hicks, Ben Revere, Angel Morales… all several years off.

You really don’t want Delmon’s terrible glove in left field anyway most likely.

The Twins could theoretically trade Delmon and play Kubel full-time in the outfield, but he’s hardly a defensive improvement and then we just have a hole to fill at DH as well.

Seems to make more sense to trade pitching if we go after Kouz, but I’m not big on Kouzmanoff anyway.

AirmanSD
5 years 7 months ago

I would prefer the Padres target a lower level high upside arm from the Twins. The Twins dont have the outfield depth to solve the Padres problem (aside from Hicks who they are not moving for Kouz). But they have a couple of arms in the lower minors that have some serious upside (something you can never have too much of). Hunt or Gutierrez would be a nice haul, thou not sure how they are viewed by the Twins.

@zack money: Do the Twins have any other catchers then Wilson Ramos in the minors who in reality have a chance to make it (I assume that Ramos is again too much for Kouz)?

5 years 7 months ago

I’m assuming that Morales will be the backup catcher next year, and he’ll be okay at that. Butera is a decent defensive backstop but a horrible hitter. Horrible, putrid, terrible hitter. Not much beyond that that I know of.

AirmanSD
5 years 7 months ago

Yea, thats what I thought. I think if any deal gets done for kouz to the twins it will be for pitching (just not Perkins)

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Not going to happen. Young isn’t going anywhere.

5 years 7 months ago

Not gonna happen. Young is gonna have his breakout year in 2010. 25 years old and has 3 full years under his belt. I think when the Twins gave Young a vode of confidence, they made a wise move that will pay off very soon.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

his defense won’t magically have a ‘breakout’…if anything, it will begin to get worse as he approaches age 30.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

There are a lot of things wrong with a trade like that. The main one is you would be creating one hole to fill another. They need to trade from where they have a surplus.

connorburke
5 years 7 months ago

Nooooooooo!!!!
Smith should either try for somebody with real potential to be an ace or stick with the pitchers we have and get someone like Hudson lopez or tejada (preference in that order)

buffalonichols
5 years 7 months ago

I like signing Washburn. I know a lot of people are down on him, but he was great last year until he got hurt. Plus, it provides the team with even more pitching depth, allowing them to shuttle some young arms off to the bullpen or ship somebody out to fill other holes.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

He was great last year in an enormous park with one of the best defensive outfields in recent history behind him.

His FIP was over two full runs higher than his ERA, and he posted a staggeringly low BABIP. Look at Washburn’s last four years and tell me what’s more of an anomaly:

Nearly four years of mediocre to terrible pitching, or two and a half months of a sparkly ERA?

Washburn isn’t going to help the Twins. Or any team, for that matter.

5 years 7 months ago

He’s not gonna help ANY TEAM?? Wow you really hate this guy! Why would you say such a terrible comment? He’s a very usable, durable, and reliable MLB starter.

buffalonichols
5 years 7 months ago

I’m not a stat geek, so excuse me if I have no idea what you’re saying. What I do know is people are vastly underrating our outfielders and Target Field has similar dimensions to Safeco. Safeco is 331 down the left field line, compared to 339 for TF. Safeco is one foot deeper in dead center and two feet shorter down the right field line.

Again, I’m not counting on him to be a world beater, just a solid back of the rotation vet to provide another arm. People said going into last year that we had plenty of arms too and look how that turned out.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Safeco is also an indoor stadium and there is no wind factor.

CrisE
5 years 7 months ago

Amen. Washburn solves nothing for the Twins.

5 years 7 months ago

Exactly right!~!

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Washburn has never been great. His season last year was 80% luck, 10% defense and 10% Safeco. If Washburn is so great, why did the M’s trade him and even more curious, why don’t they just try to resign him again?

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

Ugh, if Smith goes out and signs Washburn, I’ll call for his head on a platter. There is no logic behind this whatsoever.Great idea Billy, sign an EXTREME fly ball pitcher to lob up 88mph fastballs so that our defensively inept outfield can get in some cardio in the outfield!Assuming Crede returns (which is looking more and more plausible), we’re going to have a very strong defensive infield. You want pitchers who are going to keep the ball on the ground. Blackburn and Pavano can do that. Baker and Slowey are already flyball pitchers, but can limit damage a bit because they both average about 2 more Ks per 9 than Washburn and both walk significantly fewer batters.What the hell is Bill Smith’s obsession with Jarrod Washburn? The guy is just flat-out NOT good. He doesn’t have impeccable control, doesn’t strike people out, pitches to contact, and doesn’t keep the ball on the ground.Where is the appeal? The fact that we even made an OFFER to Washburn speaks volumes about Smith’s incompetency. Someone get this guy out of our front office, ASAP.Watching Bill Smith try to put together a baseball team is like watching an episode of Mr. Magoo.

5 years 7 months ago

whoa back the truck up a little bit, since when is a guy with 107 mlb wins over 10 years and a carreer ERA of 4.10 flat out NOT good as you stated. He may not be a top flight starter but he is definitely a decent MLB starter, give the guy a little more credit than no credit.

bomberj11
5 years 7 months ago

Wins mean nothing. They’re the equivalent of gold gloves.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

With Washburn, the outfield defense will be a non-issue. The balls have to stay in the park in order for the defenders to catch them.

twinsgeek
5 years 7 months ago

I like him too, but is he that much better than Duensing or Liriano, because that’s who he is replacing? Meanwhile the Twins will be starting Punto AND Brendan Harris in their infield.

This is stupid.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

Twinsgeek hits the nail on the head.

5 years 7 months ago

Not only is he not really better than Duensing or Liriano… he’s more likely to regress than improve at this point in his career. Liriano had a better xFIP than him last year… Liriano’s tradition stats didn’t look quite as nice though. Yuck. I hate this move, especially with our limited resources.

I really hoped that getting Pavano would end our obsession with Washburn…

5 years 7 months ago

This could open up the door for a trade here.

5 years 7 months ago

A trade for… an infielder? How about take the $6 million you’d spend on Washburn, and go get 2 years of Felipe Lopez. Go get 1.5 years of Orlando Hudson. With the limited resources we have, we should be focusing on true areas of need. Bullpen is set. Outfield is set. Rotation is fine with Duensing, Liriano, Manship, Perkins, or Swarzak as the 5th starter. We need an infielder. Signing Washburn, who’s likely going to perform worse than any of those options for the 5th starter, at 10 times the cost, then trading them for an infielder is completely asinine.

5 years 7 months ago

I’m not talking about signing a Lopez or a Hudson. They would look to trade for a major BAT for the lineup. That would be worth pursuing.

5 years 7 months ago

The Twins have plenty of offense. They had no problem scoring runs last year. They don’t need a slugger. They need someone who can get on base behind Span, and in front of Mauer. Mauer, Morneau, Kubel, Cuddyer, Hardy, and potentially Young are going to provide plenty of power.

5 years 7 months ago

Sooooo you are OK with the production we got from thirdbase last season?? We need power and defense at the corners, every relevant playoff team has this. So if your argument is we already have a great offense why are you so opposed to adding a pitcher that would benefit from this offense?? Did you not say earlier that you would rather us go after a BAT?? Which one is it?? Truth is Washburn is gonna pitch FINE for the twins and we’d be lucky to have him. My guess is you’ll be eating your words by midseason and as a twin fan you’d have to admit that would be a very good thing!

pinkiepinkerton
5 years 7 months ago

Zach is completely right. How many speedy guys that can get on base are on this roster? One. We need a number two. Lopez or Hudson would be a much better signing.

Here’s the bottom line, Hud/Lopez is a much greater improvement over Harris than Washburn is over Duensing. I’m not sure the latter is even an improvement. It may be a horizontal move.

As for needing power at the corners, arguably the second and third best teams in MLB in 2009 (the angels and phillies) had nothing for power at third base. When you have power at other positions on the field, you can focus on defense/speed/obp at the corners. If we end up getting another power bat, our lineup starts to resemble the white sox over the last few seasons. I’m not that excited about crumbling in september when the cold stalls the ball on what would otherwise be a ball heading over the “baggy”.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

nedz more piranhaz….

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Hudson or Lopez would also be contributing everyday as opposed to once every 5th day.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

We are opposed because Washburn is a lot of money for something we don’t really need.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Okay, fine. They go after a major bat. Signing Washburn still doesn’t do anything to help make this happen.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Washburn gives the team nothing that they don’t already have. Signing him also makes it less likely that they will try to fix the holes at 2nd and 3rd.

Take the money you would have spent on Washburn and put it toward signing Hudson. He was asking for 8 million at the start of free agency, but his price has probably come way down since then. 5 million might be enough to cover the first year of a 2 or 3 year deal.

Next, either trade for Kous or resign Crede.

Now that’s would be a line up that could do some damage on both sides of the field.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

They don’t need Washburn to open a door for a trade. They have plenty to trade with.

sploorp
5 years 7 months ago

Exactly. With the exception of Deunsing, all the Twins pitchers have multiple years at the major league level. At some point you just have to take the training wheels of and let them go.

twinsgeek
5 years 7 months ago

I like Washburn too, but is he that much better than Duensing or Liriano? Because that’s who he is replacing. Meanwhile the Twins will be starting Punto AND Brendan Harris in their infield.

This is stupid.

5 years 7 months ago

Not the way Duensing pitched down the stretch but YES in every possible way Washburn was a HUGE HUGE upgrade to Liriano. It’s sad to see a guy like lirano regress so much but he was just terrible last year and if we had a Washburn in place of Lirano we would have run away with the central hands down. I do NOT think the twins should sell low of Liriano unless someone overpays for him with a useful position player.

5 years 7 months ago

Except that Washburn’s xFIP was higher than Liriano’s… meaning that Washburn would be a DOWNGRADE over Liriano. Liriano had bad, bad, bad luck this year. Washburn’s was very very good, and he had an all world outfield defense. I’d rather roll with Liriano than flush $6 million down the toilet on Washburn.

5 years 7 months ago

Are you really defending Lirano’s season?? Wow. I watched a guy pitch to a 5-13 record with a 5.80 ERA. No other team in baseball had a starter perform so poorly.

firealyellon
5 years 7 months ago

Liriano was the recipient of bad luck. Washburn was the recipient of good luck. It’s unlikely either player will be as good or bad next year. Was that so hard?

CrisE
5 years 7 months ago

Are you really expecting Washburn to reproduce those 2009 Seattle numbers, away from Safeco and away from those outfielders and in front of Young and Cuddyer with Target Field’s tiny foul ground? Wow. I watched a 57 year old guy have a freakish late career outlier that fell apart when he moved to Detroit.I expect Liriano to improve and Washburn to regress. There’s a chance Washburn could still be better than Liriano, but maybe he won’t be. No way to tell, really. What is certain is that Liriano will not cost $6m, that we could certainly use that money on something more important than a #5 starter, and that what cost us more in 2009 was Slowey’s injury, not Liriano’s performance.