Johnny Damon Rumors: Wednesday

11:06pm: Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune hears from a team source who says he can imagine Damon signing with the White Sox. "I think we have a good shot to get him now," the source said.

Another person discounted the importance of Damon's recent golf outing with Pierzynski and Harrelson.

6:26pm: Joe Cowley talks to Pierzynski about the Damon negotiations, and Cowley quotes an unnamed member of the White Sox who says "I would be surprised if [Damon] didn't sign with us.''

4:13pm: Rosenthal tweets that the present-day value of Chicago's offer to Damon is in the $4.5MM range, considering deferrals.  He's hearing that Damon doesn't want to go to the Tigers.  As for Damon's wife's preferences, the player texted to SI's Jon Heyman that "It's up to me.  She's going wherever I go."  Cowley tweets that the Sox "are going from long shots to frontrunners in the Damon sweepstakes the last few hours."

12:02pm: Rosenthal wrote yesterday that "some with the White Sox are confident that a deal with Damon could happen, and believe it might even be close."  Similarly, Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times writes today that "the White Sox front office is feeling like they may have 'significantly' closed the gap between themselves and Detroit for the free agent's services."  However, Cowley has one source that still considers the Tigers the frontrunner.  Also, Scot Gregor of The Daily Herald believes the Braves are still in the mix.

8:50am: Yesterday we heard from Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that free agent Johnny Damon played golf Monday with White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski and broadcaster Hawk Harrelson.  The Sox remain firm on their initial offer, one that could be slightly above $4MM according to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago TribuneSI's Jon Heyman tweeted this morning that White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf recently got involved in the Damon talks.  Gonzales notes that the White Sox-Scott Boras relationship appears to be thawing, given the Damon talks, the Andruw Jones signing, and the Sox drafting a Boras client in the 16th round of last year's draft.

Meanwhile, Lynn Henning of the Detroit News says the Tigers and Damon "appear to be moving, at less than full speed, toward a deal."  It seems that one of these two clubs will sign Damon, but it's difficult to peg a frontrunner.


217 Responses to Johnny Damon Rumors: Wednesday Leave a Reply

  1. BravesRed 5 years ago

    And, I will laugh when he signs with the Braves.

    • Rich_in_NJ 5 years ago

      I will laugh when he signs for less than the Yankees offered.

    • gamehawk 5 years ago

      The braves aren’t going to get Damon, we weren’t able to offer him enough to make it worth his while. I wish we could have, just don’t see it happening unless his wife stands firm on living in a more metropolitan area. Not too mention Atlanta would be quite a bit closer to his home in Orlando. Not counting on him being in Atlanta, be nice though.

  2. The White Sox drafted a Boras-advised client in the third round of last year’s draft as well – Bryan Morgado, though he didn’t sign.

    link to thebaseballcube.com

  3. empathizerightonyourbehind 5 years ago

    for a similar financial commitment kansas city got anderson, ankiel, and podsednik. that’s 3 players! which, from what i understand, is always better than one. a team with a lesser GM might have waited around for the market to play out. pat yourself on the back, drayton moore. you’re a genius.

  4. travelinman4 5 years ago

    If you were offered $7 Million and another team offered you $4 million, which team would you choose? If Damon’s wife is smart they can live west of Detroit and have easier access to Chicago; or, to hope he performs well this year and they can get a better offer in the near future.

    • mistermonkey 5 years ago

      The problem is, it seems like he thinks both of those offers are underbids — plus he’s already loaded. So if you don’t really need the money, and are great friends with one of the guys on the lower bidding team (Pierzinksy) and you feel like that team has a stronger chance to win now (as the White Sox do, on paper, in 2010), then maybe you’d be willing to sacrifice a few million to be a part of that. That you’d also be keeping your wife happier is a bonus. Personally, I’d go with the money, regardless, but I also know that the Detroit area is actually a great place to live.

      • foxtown 5 years ago

        Not to mention he has a better chance up putting up inflated numbers at The Cell, increasing his value for next year. If he goes to Comerica Park he will probably have a sharp drop-off in offensive production and no one will want to offer him $2 million, much less $7 million.

        • dtownwarrior 5 years ago

          He could set a record for triples in that yard with that swing, and Curtis Granderson hit more HR’s than he did playing in Comerica. So the numbers would be about the same.

      • dtownwarrior 5 years ago

        It is a nice place to live, but dumb broads like Michelle Damon have no clue about it and will just believe whatever her blond ass hears on the news!

  5. andyseiler 5 years ago

    Their Boras-advised pick was actually the 17th round, not the 16th. Brian Goodwin, who’s now at UNC.

  6. windycitywarrior 5 years ago

    I dont see why there couldnt be both Kotsay and Damon on the team. The 9 starters plus Ramon Castro, Omar Vizquel, Andruw Jones, Mark Kotsay. I say trade Jayson Nix or keep him down in the minors. Not sure how many options he may have. They need to win now and they cant be doin that with young inexperienced bench guys like Jayson Nix or Brent Lillibridge. I liked the rotating DH thing because I didnt think the Sox getting Damon was likely or possible. His left handed power he displayed at new Yankee Stadium will most definitely transfer to US Cellular. Has speed and is a legitmate #2 hitter. Sign him up Kenny.

    • BravesRed 5 years ago

      I don’t know if you read it or not, Damon would be the leadoff hitter on the Braves, Tigers, and ChiSox.

    • lug 5 years ago

      Not sure what it is worth but Jayson Nix is out of options.

    • cachhubguy 5 years ago

      Nix is out of options.

    • In addition to being out of options, Jayson Nix is also out of baseball skills.

      • jwsox 5 years ago

        not at all 10 hrs 12 sbs in 1/3 of a full season at bats…thats good skills..a secondbasemen(not that bad) who was forced to play ss 3rd and rf and lf

      • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

        haha

    • jwsox 5 years ago

      they could keep damon on the team have the 9 starters have jones, kotsay, nix(need him for speed of the bench), omar, and castro. then you get 11 pitchers (there is no need for more than 11 in the AL…) have the 5 starters, 1 long guy(hudson or torres) the 3 big guys at the end jenks, putz, jenks, williams, and pena and just cut lose with linebrink thats good enough

      • jwsox 5 years ago

        also for the millionth time on this site and the sox site jayson nix hit 10 hrs and stole 12 bases is literally 1/3 of a season at bats….that should equate to 30 hrs and 30 sbs he would be ideal at dh

        • foxtown 5 years ago

          So your grand plan is to leave Matt Thornton, one of the most dominant left-handed relievers last year, off the team?

          …Will you join my fantasy league?

  7. disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

    I’m not believing this wanting to be in a “more cosmopolitan” city from Damon’s wife.
    They already turned down 2 more years in New York City.
    Take as much money as you can get Johnny and fly your wife to London or Paris for a few weeks at a time. That’s a win/win situation for both of you.

    • the_show 5 years ago

      I am not surprised, he would have to live in the suburbs in Detroit where as in Chicago he can have a condo in the city. Considering he has a large house in FLorida my guess is he would want a condo up north.

      • stymeedone 5 years ago

        just like chicago, there are nice areas in detroit. he can choose to live in suburbs or city of either.

        • firealyellon 5 years ago

          “just like chicago, there are nice areas in detroit”

          just like there are wealthy, fat people in Cuba

  8. I keep hearing that the Braves still have a chance because their spring training is in Orlando which Damon’s hometown but people forget that Lakeland, the Tigers spring training, is only a half hour from Orlando. Damon drove an hour and half each day to Tampa when with the Yankees so I think the “homefield” advantage of the Braves is over stated. Also the White Sox train in Arizona if that means anything.

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      it wouldn’t really surprise me if the Braves ended up doing this because there hasn’t been any talk of them lately…which usually means something might be happening. That’s the way Frank Wren works. He is an expert at keeping the press and twitterers (real word?) in the dark. If you look at any deal the Braves have made since he took over, how many of them had buildup?

  9. tigers22 5 years ago

    The one and only time I’ll ever say this but… go Sox go! Sign him up Kenny… pay him his money, and I hope he has a TERRIBLE season while showing his old age. Meanwhile us Tigers fans can sit here and laugh while we thank God we didn’t sign him

    • BravesRed 5 years ago

      But, what if he has a good season?

    • chetkincaid 5 years ago

      Yeah go ahead sit there and laugh at the Sox FROM THE AL CENTRAL BASEMENT if you want. You should sit back and enjoy the view from the cellar with royals and indians fans.

      • TwinsVet 5 years ago

        That’s a bit juvenile, don’t you think?

        The Twins, Tigers, and Sox have dominated the Central for the past decade – of course, I should note the Twins have the most pennants during that time 😉

        Worst case, Tigers finish third. And probably a respectable third at that (<10 GB). That's not exactly "the basement".

        • chetkincaid 5 years ago

          But it’s not juvenile to hope that the Sox sign Damon and he has a terrible season while tigers fans sit and laugh, right? Okay. I think you and the twins will be looking up at The Sox at the end of the season too. Yeah the twins might have won the division crown the most, but who has the ring?

          • TwinsVet 5 years ago

            I just thought “cellar” was an overstatement. We’ve had great races the last two years… I expect the same this year.

        • firealyellon 5 years ago

          and exactly zero World Series rings.

        • danks50 5 years ago

          What exactly has been dominating about Detroit’s 0 Central Division titles and 1 wild card birth over the last decade? Over the last decade the central has been won by the Twins (5) / Sox (3) / Tribe (2). Credit should be given for them making it to the world series however calling them a dominating team over the last 10 years is a reach.

          • TwinsVet 5 years ago

            That’s fair. Maybe I distorted my recollection based on them being in the hunt the past couple years…

      • Technically we’ll be in the cell(ul)ar because we play there.

      • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

        You know I used to think that the tri-rivalry between the Mets, Phillies and Braves was fun to watch but I am finding this AL Central thing between the Twins, White Sox and Tigers as rather entertaining

    • lug 5 years ago

      White sox fan here and I can totally understand why you are saying that. This wife thing and cosmo city…..Give me a break for $14 million put me in the burbs and take a helicopter to work for 2 years. I like Damon but landing him under those circumstances ah just feels sort of funny. Good luck to your Tigers this year.

      • tigers22 5 years ago

        Thanks man. Good luck to your squad to. Chet, I really don’t think you know what you’re talking about so I won’t waste my time on that comment. The Twins, Sox, and Tigers will battle it out all year. I’ve even seen someone on ESPN pick the Tigers in the top 5 of the entire MLB… just like last year I think we’re underrated, and thats just fine with me.

  10. cachhubguy 5 years ago

    It’s looking more and more like I’m going to be wrong on this one. If he’s golfing with AJ and Hawk……….. you can put it on the board…….yes!

    • TwinsVet 5 years ago

      HA HA!

      I’ve seen alot of Sox home broadcasts. While “he gone” is the ***most annoying strikeout call ever***, the “put it on the boooooooooooard YES!” is pretty awesome. I do love how the broadcast duo has the timing down pat on it too.

      Just a shame I hear it against my Twins so often… I much prefer it when you’re helping us out by beating up on Detroit 😉

      • 0vercast 5 years ago

        Yeah I hate that “He Gone!” business, too. But I kinda like the Sox broadcast crew, so I often watch the WGN broadcast when the Twinkies play the Sox.

        • I think the Twins and White Sox fans can all agree that the Angels have the worst announcer in the game with Rex.

      • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

        I thought it was “Be gone”

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      not gonna lie dude that was somewhat of a groaner lol. It’s ok,we all do it. Like this joke I came up with…Why is it always so cold in jewelry stores? Because of all the ice cubes.

  11. stymeedone 5 years ago

    I will continue to hope that the Tigers come to their senses. Nobody is offering as much, and he is hesitating! Put a deadline on the offer. Take it or leave it. He either wants to play in Detroit, or he doesn’t. I am tired of Boras using one team to get a deal somewhere else. Felipe Lopez would be a better fit, be the regular DH, back up at 2b, and 3b, is younger, AND JUST GOT RID OF BORAS AS HIS AGENT. Oh, yeah, he’d probably be cheaper too. That would stick it to Boras.

  12. Ryatt 5 years ago

    It’s quite obvious at this point that he does not want to play in Detroit, unless it becomes the only option. If he had the chance today and the Yanks again offered the 2 yr/14 mil deal, he’d take it in a NY minute. Boras just messed up but thinking he could get him more. Now the options are limited and instead of jumping at the Tigers offer and playing somewhere he’d prefer not to, they are seeing how legit the White Sox interest is and if they can get a deal somewhat on par with the Tigers, then you know where he will go. By Reinsdorf getting involved, you know there are discussions about making a better offer. How far Reinsdorf would go over budget to bring Damon on is purely his decision. A pure guess is that they go to 1 yr/7 mil and Damon is a White Sox by week end. Putting the “cosmopolitan city” argument aside, he can put up much better numbers at the Cell than in CoAmerica and have a much better chance at the post season.

    • alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

      It’s Comerica, where he has great career numbers. Granted, a lot of them are from the early 2000’s Tiger’s staff. And it’s not a “much better” chance at the post-season. It’s better, but not “much better”.

  13. athletic4ws 5 years ago

    If he is golfing with A J Pierzynski and Harleson, then is is damanged goods. He couldn’t have found to bigger weasels to hang with. I feel sorry for Damon, he’s a good hitter.

    • danny_duberstein 5 years ago

      did your wife have a threesome with them or something? so much hate.

  14. athletic4ws 5 years ago

    He couldn’t have found 2 bigger weasels to hang out with than AJ & Hawk. He’s a good player, I hope he ends up in Atlanta. I would hate to see him waste away in Detriot or Chicago.

    • petedicks 5 years ago

      LOL. Ah yes, why go to the middle of nowhere that is Chicago when he can be in Atlanta: City of Tomorrow?

    • Why would he waste away.

    • goodguysJ2E 5 years ago

      I hate to see any good player waste away in Oakland. They are the baseball equivalent of an airplane in a holding pattern.

    • 0vercast 5 years ago

      Nice troll. AJ is only a “weasel” to the fans of his opponents team, nor is Chicago a place to “waste away” in.

      • the_show 5 years ago

        Question for you, Was AJ disliked by his teammates in Minnesota like he was in San Francisco? For whatever reason he fits in here in Chicago.

        • 0vercast 5 years ago

          No, he was very popular with teammates, fans, and coaches. He was traded because the Giants were willing to give away Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano for him, and Mauer was waiting in the minors.

        • soxluv 5 years ago

          San Francisco, yes. Minnesota, not at all. There were extenuating circumstances in SF.

      • Civilization 5 years ago

        I like the mathematics being displayed here… AJ is only a weasel to the fans of every other team in baseball… Damn every other team’s fans in baseball. AJ’s such a classy guy.

    • disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

      If Damon spending an afternoon with A.J. and Hawk Harrelson doesn’t send him sprinting for Atlanta or Detroit, nothing will.

      • billmelton 5 years ago

        Maybe Zambrano will chase him with a Gatorade machine…

  15. DarthVader87 5 years ago

    Well, the more things play out the more it looks like he will be going to Chicago. He’ll fit in there pretty good too. I think his family is what is driving him away from Detroit so much.

    • goodguysJ2E 5 years ago

      If Damon signs with the Sox I don’t think his family will be the only reason for him picking the ‘Good guys’. He could be the final piece on a championship calibur club. The same cannot be sincerely spoken regarding the Tigers.

  16. rootman1010 5 years ago

    So does this mean the sox trade Pierre? The team would have a lot of corner outfielders if they got Damon including Pierre, Damon, Quentin, jones, kotsay, and rios. A few of them can play center but prolly shoulndnt. That’s a ton of money in those guys too. Would it be Pierre, rios and quentin from left to right with Damon at dh? Jones and kotsay on the bench?

    • Ryatt 5 years ago

      According to Cowley, the Sox want Damon as their primary DH with spot duty in the OF. Jones and Kotsay would definitely be the backups and and probably get their share of late innings playing time as defensive replacements for Pierre and Quentin. I just wonder if they do acquire Damon, where Ozzie would bat him: 1st, 2nd or 3rd? Would it be a Pierre, Beckham, Damon, Quentin top 4? Or the 2 lefties 1-2? Or move Pierre down to 9? Or would Ozzie get crazy and move Beckham down to 6-7 like he has mentioned to get him more RBI chances? (Ozzie’s words) The kid needs to bat 2 or 3.

      • rootman1010 5 years ago

        if damon went to the white sox i’ll predict an order like this:

        1. Damon dh (wouldn’t that be weird to see a dh leading off)
        2. Beckham 2b
        3. Quentin rf
        4. Konerko 1b
        5. Teahen 3b
        6. Rios cf
        7. Pierzynski c
        8. Ramirez ss
        9. Pierre lf

        or maybe:

        1. Pierre lf
        2. Beckham 2b
        3. Quentin rf
        4. Konerko 1b
        5. Damon dh
        6. Rios cf
        7. Teahen 3b
        8. Pierzynski c
        9. Ramirez ss

        what do you guys think?

      • rootman1010 5 years ago

        maybe even:

        1. pierre lf
        2. damon dh
        3. beckham 2b
        4. quentin rf
        5. konerko 1b
        6. teahen 3b
        7. rios cf
        8. pierzynski c
        9. ramirez ss

      • I’ll take a stab at it:

        1. Pierre – LF
        2. Damon – DH
        3. Quentin – RF
        4. Konerko – 1B
        5. Beckham – 2B
        6. Pierzynski – C
        7. Rios – CF
        8. Teahen – 3B
        9. Ramirez – SS

        I could see Damon and Beckham switching places.

        You have to give the nod to A.J. to be higher in the line up than Teahen and Rios after last year. The line up just looks sooo much better with Damon in it.

    • Rios is more than capable to play center and is above average defensively.

      Yes it would be Pierre, Rios, Quentin going left to right. Damon would be in the DH spot but would probably rotate regularly with Quentin, Konerko, and perhaps even Pierre just to keep him fresh on the field.

      “That’s a ton of money in those guys too.” None of these guys would make over $5MM except Rios if the offer is $4MM like reported. Pierre, Jones, and Kotsay combined would make under $6MM from us.

      • Steve Espinosa is a wise man. Words of truth.

      • the_show 5 years ago

        Reading between the lines I think the Sox are offering Damon somewhere in the range of 5-6. I doubt is as low as 4 considering the Tigers are reportedly offering 7

        • Even if it on the high end like you say at $6MM that is still over $1MM less than Mike Cameron got.

          • the_show 5 years ago

            fair enough, I wasn’t debating your overall point just saying I think we would have to offer more than that to get Damon

  17. mistermonkey 5 years ago

    I JUST WANT THIS OVER WITH. It would be awesome if he ended up on the Yankees after all this nonsense.

  18. Well, the White Sox front office is confident, you know what that means. He’s signing with the Tigers. Remember when they were confident they had traded for Miguel Cabrera? Seriously though, I hope he signs with the Sox.

    • soxluv 5 years ago

      No – they knew they never had the prospects for Cabrera. If you used the example of Torii Hunter you would have more credibility.

      • NO, they had a deal in place and the Tigers stepped in last minute and upped the ante by taking Dontrelle Willis as well.

        • lug 5 years ago

          Link that up cause I think your memory is not right. we wanted him, we were never confident.

          • I remember Kenny saying during an interview that Dye called him up and asked him what happened and that he thought the deal had already been done. I’ll find a link.

          • h ttp://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/tigers-getting.html

            FROM 12-4-07 at 5:01pm:

            “This is unexpected. Joe Capozzi says the White Sox “are making a strong push” to acquire Miguel Cabrera. What’s more, some kind of major announcement is coming soon and White Sox sources admitted it involves Cabrera.”

            3 minutes later it was reported that the Tigers were nearing the blockbuster deal

            h ttp://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/05/sports/sp-cabrera5?pg=2

            “White Sox General Manager Ken Williams, who had hoped to land Cabrera after the Angels swooped in to sign Torii Hunter, learned of the Marlins’ trade via message while meeting with Chicago media Tuesday afternoon. Within one minute, Williams received a call from outfielder Jermaine Dye, who had spurned free agency and re-signed with the White Sox with the promise the team would add a “big fish” in the off-season.”

          • lug 5 years ago

            Good find…..What is interesting to me is the use of the word “big fish” that could also mean Torii Hunter. Even if Kenny did tell Dye that after the Torii incident A. There are other big fish besides Miguel B. Nothing there says last minute. If the Sox were not going to take Willis then there was never a deal that was to be broken up in the last minute. Also if Dye is making signing decisions before acquisitions are made then his agent is not giving good advice. Nonetheless we did want him but to say that we were confident I am still not sold no matter what the press is spewing. The hype machine is always at work.

          • alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

            Don’t you get it? “Big Fish”? Marlins!

        • lug 5 years ago

          btw if you were right, which you are not. “Stepped in last minute” when does this actually happen anyways? When GM’s are discussing and completing deals trust me very few times do we know all of the details with any of these deals. anyways if you were correct no wonder he is in Detroit, Dontrelle has been a complete train wreck. (No pun intended)

        • soxluv 5 years ago

          You’re half right. The Sox made an offer, but the offer was never seriously considered by the Marlins. And the Sox refused to take Willis.

          • alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

            In my opinion Cabrera is worth the luggage of Willis. Extending Willis had nothing to do with the trade, but Cabrera is arguably the best right handed hitter in the AL.

  19. baconslayer09 5 years ago

    I remember when the Sox were confident that they signed Torii Hunter.

    I’m sure glad that one didn’t happen.

    Hopefully, this one does though.

    • Civilization 5 years ago

      You and me both brother. The Tigers are a day late and a dollar short for a high demand outfielder like Damon. He’s a superstar. Detroit will have to piddle with lowly Ryan Raburn out in left and DH either other anemic corner outfielder on their major league roster.

      • baconslayer09 5 years ago

        I actually like Raburn a lot.

        .900 OPS isn’t lowly. He hit the crap out of the ball in the second half last season.

      • tigers22 5 years ago

        Haha… you’re out of your mind man. Damon? A superstar? Are you sure we’re talking about the same guy? Arod is a superstar… Damon is not. Look at Raburn’s numbers in limited plate appearances. He needs a full year of plate appearances to put up solid numbers… think Werth. Raburn’s got 25 HR potential man. Cheaper AND younger… I’ll take Raburn any day of the week

        • Civilization 5 years ago

          The breakdown of Dusty Ryan:

          Year – BA OBP SLG OPS
          2008 – .318 .380 .500 .880 [50 PAs]
          2009 – .154 .267 .192 .459 [30 PAs]

          Limited plate appearances are just that. Raburn’s not a bad player, but to say he’ll approach the OPS he put up last season is a stretch and a half. His 2008 season he didn’t even have a .300 OBP. But since you didn’t catch my sarcasm the first time around, I’ll get rid of it.

          I’d rather try out Raburn, see what he can do with a full season, then sign Damon to a 2 year deal.

  20. dtownwarrior 5 years ago

    You know what, as a Tigers fan at first I was thrilled that this might actually happen because I think he can help out the club by leading off and scoring some runs. But let the White Sox have him. And to his moron of a wife, let it be known that an extra $3 million means much more than poor Johnny playing in a less than “cosmopolitan” area. Sounds like a dumb broad to me!! Have fun in Chicago and good ridence to the Damon’s!! Let’s get on with it Dombrowski and sign Dye to be LF and play Guillen as full time DH and whip the **** out of Damon and the Sox.

    • baconslayer09 5 years ago

      Have you seen his wife? *Drooool

    • baconslayer09 5 years ago

      Damon’s a huge upgrade over Dye. If I were you, I’d rather have Damon.

    • stymeedone 5 years ago

      PLEASE, even if they dont get Damon, dont sign Dye! He would only take AB’s away from Raburn, and he makes Mags and Guillen look like gold glovers. Not to mention, we would have to hear Rod Allen talking up Dye like he can still play defense like he did in KC, even as he is being replaced in the late innings.

      If Damon does sign with the White sox, it does bring up the question: Who is better (or worse) in LF, Damon or Pierre? and who’s arm is weaker, Damon or A.J.’s?

    • stymeedone 5 years ago

      PLEASE, even if they dont get Damon, dont sign Dye! He would only take AB’s away from Raburn, and he makes Mags and Guillen look like gold glovers. Not to mention, we would have to hear Rod Allen talking up Dye like he can still play defense like he did in KC, even as he is being replaced in the late innings.

      If Damon does sign with the White sox, it does bring up the question: Who is better (or worse) in LF, Damon or Pierre? and who’s arm is weaker, Damon or A.J.’s?

  21. jhawk90 5 years ago

    “It’s up to me. She’s going wherever I go.”

    Enjoy the couch tonight Johnny.

    • This statement does confirm the fact that in fact his wife does want to be in Chicago over Detroit, it’s not Boras spewing BS.

    • baconslayer09 5 years ago

      He shouldn’t have included the “she’s going wherever I go” part. That just makes it sound like she’s his slave.

  22. Joey Doughnuts 5 years ago

    I think Damon would put the Sox as favorites in the Central. Without Damon, it’s up for grabs, but Damon should really help out. A Pierre-Damon 1-2 punch could be very productive with Beckham, Konerko, Quentin, and Pierzynski behind them.

    • start_wearing_purple
      start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

      Right now I’d say the Twins are the favorite. Add Damon to the Tigers and I’d still say the Twins are the favorite, but add Damon to the White Sox and I’m no longer sure. The division really comes down to a handful of variables:
      For the Tigers – 1) Will Jackson and Scherzer produce. 2) Can Ordonez bounce back. 3) Will the 4 and 5 spot of the rotation be simply a revolving door.
      For the White Sox – 1) What will a full year of Jake Peavy in the AL look like. 2) Will the offense improve.
      For the Twins – 1) Can Liriano and Hardy make comebacks.

      • soxluv 5 years ago

        Jackson?

        • start_wearing_purple
          start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

          Austin Jackson. He was the biggest piece that the Tigers got from the yanks in the big Granderson trade. Centerfield is pretty much his job to lose in ST.

        • Joey Doughnuts 5 years ago

          I was thinking the same thing. Austin Jackson maybe?

  23. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    Damon doesn’t wanna go to the Tigers ? lol I wouldn’t trust these sports reporters ect as far as I could throw them .

  24. dtownwarrior 5 years ago

    More than likely in all honesty this is Scott Boras continuing to try and make this a sweepstakes when it just isn’t. Why would Damon sign on for 1 year at $4.5 million (Much of which is deferred anyway!!!) when he could’ve signed for $7 million early last week? And Mrs. Damon, if you are listening, Comerica Park and The Cell are not much different. Its not like if you go to a Tigers game you will be sitting next to Eminem, Dr. Dre and Kid Rock in the boxes toots! I’ve been to both ballparks and there really isn’t much difference in the cultural department hun. And its not like you would be staying downtown at a run down hotel after the games my love! If Damon wants to take $2.5 mill less to be a platoon player, by all means let him do just that. He could’ve signed a 1 year deal in Detroit, played his ass off, got good numbers and signed for a multi year deal somewhere else next year when we didn’t need him anymore anyway. As it stands now, I will take a platoon of Rayburn, Guillen and Clete Thomas and let there be a roaming DH. My 5 year old DAUGHTER has a better arm anyway, so enjoy The Cell Mrs. Damon and make sure and get home before the streetlights come on!! Might as well call him Mr. Michelle Damon if he does sign with the Sox!!

    • soxluv 5 years ago

      Yeah – she’s not talking about how cosmopolitan the actual ballpark is – she is talking about the city – and there is no comparison between Chicago and Detroit. Still think that he’ll take $7M over $4.5M though.

      • Joey Doughnuts 5 years ago

        Exactly. There may not be a huge difference right outside either ballpark, but Chicago vs. Detroit as a whole are essentially different worlds.

        • soxluv 5 years ago

          My brother lives 2 blocks away from the park in Bridgeport – it’s a great neighborhood.

      • baconslayer09 5 years ago

        Plus, he’s getting deferred money from the Sox. If the Sox defer about $2-2.5 million for the next 5 years, present day value of the deal along with the $4.5 million paid up front will be around ~$6 million. If he wants to explore the market next season and have good numbers to back it up, he should definitely take Chicago’s offer. It’s not that worse in terms of money and it opens up a lot of options for him.

        • soxluv 5 years ago

          Well, I hope he takes the Sox’ deal. That way I might even be able to get over my broken heart from losing Thome.

          • dtownwarrior 5 years ago

            Ive been to the Cell and I know what surrounds that park. Have you been to Comerica? Yes, parts of Detroit are disgusting and would I like to live right outside the ballpark, not really. But lets be real here. First of all, it’s absolutely ridiculous that Damon and Boras come out with that BS story two weeks ago saying how much he would love to play for the Tigers and loves Steve Yzerman and even went as far (pathetic) to say that when they eat seafood, Damon gets octapus. Now he says he doesn’t and never did want to play for the Tigers? Boras and Dombrowski have had a pretty good relationship and have gotten alot of deals done in the past, but if all that wind was just to drive up the market for a over-the-hill player, than even for Boras thats sad. He totally fudged up his timing for Damon and the sad truth of it all is that Damon could be and proly should be playing for the Yanks. And the truth of it is, he won’t be nearly as happy or as good of a player for either the Tigers or the Sox. They offered the same 2 year $14 million deal that the Tigers are offering, but Boras wrongly believed that he could get more. What this boils down to is this. Whether or not Damon signs with the Tigers or the Sox, the past two weeks have been awful for Johnny Damon and it’s really not even his doing. Boras needed to stoop as low as lying about a players feelings for a city and ballclub to shadow the miserable mistakes that he made as an agent, and if I were Kendry Morales, I would take a peek at this whole soap opera and take a word of advice from Felipe Lopez, who fired this moron last week. He isn’t quite as good at his job as he seems, and to spout out lies about how a certain player feels about a team just to cover up the awful mistakes that he made is an absolute travisty!

          • soxluv 5 years ago

            Yes – one of my fondest memories is of Comerica. My father and I decided to take a road trip on the penultimate Friday of the regular season in 2005 to watch our beloved White Sox clinch the division.

          • baconslayer09 5 years ago

            That whole Detroit thing was to get interest from teams for Damon.

  25. Nicolas_C 5 years ago

    I think if the White Sox can get him at one year and a decent price, he’s certainly worth the money. I think I’d rather pay $15 million dollars this year for Damon than have this DH situation (Jones, Kotsay, and Vizquel….really?) in Chicago, quite frankly. So paying him around $5 million this season would be quite a positive move.

  26. JLaw 5 years ago

    If he signs with the Sox that will be one noodle-armed outfield. Just hit the ball to left-center and Pierre/Damon will be hustling but unable to get the ball as far as the cutoff man without a bounce. =P

    • brian310 5 years ago

      damon will dh…

    • baconslayer09 5 years ago

      He’s more or less going to DH.

      • baconslayer09 5 years ago

        You’re also forgetting that Quentin and Rios have plus arms.

    • Nicolas_C 5 years ago

      yea that wasn’t the most educated comment there

    • Joey Doughnuts 5 years ago

      …….wait, what?

      • JLaw 5 years ago

        It’s a joke… ya know… damon and pierre both have noodlearms… one of them is going to play outfield… and occasionally a DH will sub out for CF will platoon and you ought to put Pierre in CF and Damon in LF… just sayin’… don’t gotta scrutinize so freakin’ hard ya’ll

      • JLaw 5 years ago

        It’s a joke… ya know… damon and pierre both have noodlearms… one of them is going to play outfield… and occasionally a DH will sub out for CF will platoon and you ought to put Pierre in CF and Damon in LF… just sayin’… don’t gotta scrutinize so freakin’ hard ya’ll

  27. BigDaddy67 5 years ago

    Yeah let the Sox have him… I didn’t want him from the beginning…now that the Sox are getting him we’ll have a chance to finish ahead of them…lol

  28. Alldaybaseball 5 years ago

    “It’s up to me. She’s going wherever I go.”
    Geez, wife problems? Because she wants to go to Detroit he decides he doesn’t? Didn’t he want to go to Detroit?

  29. Detroitchik 5 years ago

    Won’t Damon look like an idiot, turning down 14mm to play with the Yankees then 14mm to play with the Tigers to take 4.5 with the White Sox… Thank God he’s moving on…

    • baconslayer09 5 years ago

      I think the Yankees thing was more or less Boras’ fault.

    • the_show 5 years ago

      I would be surprised if the Tigers ever really offered 14 million

      • Detroitchik 5 years ago

        Really? Don’t you know we have a reputation for OVER paying over aged overrated talent. I wouldn’t be surprised if they upped it before its all over with…

  30. Don’t jinx it Cowley.

  31. lefty177 5 years ago

    “It’s up to me. She’s going wherever I go.”

    2 seconds later, “I hope.”

  32. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    this year’s white sox are looking a lot like last year’s los angeles angels. they made some questionable moves, allowing Teixeira, K-Rod, and Garrett Anderson to walk. They allowed Kendry Morales to fill the void of Teixeira and signed Bobby Abreu cheap (5MM) to replace Garrett Anderson. They then replaced K-Rod with a solid, granted not as good player in Fuentes. White Sox allowed Thome, Podsednik, and Dye to walk and trading getz. They expect Gordon Beckham to fill the power void left by Jermaine Dye, and Carlos Quentin to rebound and fill the power void left by Thome. They traded for the albeit less stellar player Mark Teahen to to play a position left open by Chris Getz. And they traded for an improved version of scott podsednik. Additionally, addressing the bullpen, they signed low-risk high reward jj. putz to the bullpen.

  33. Heliosphan 5 years ago

    Nobody in Detroit wants you anyway, Johnny Damon. Go to Chicago. And the first time you play the Tigers and it’s late in the game, we’ll make a pitching change to someone that’s hard throwing with control problems. If you catch my drift.

    • baconslayer09 5 years ago

      I can tell that Detroit fans will have a great time with this if they don’t end up signing him. If you catch my drift.

      Don’t drive into downtown Detroit Johnny, you might get shot at.

  34. brian310 5 years ago

    i wish he would pick a team already…this whole thing is getting a bit annoying

  35. Either way I say Damon signs tomorrow or latest mid day Friday. Spring training starts soon and I imagine he wants time to prepare for where he is going.

    So let’s size up the deals:

    Tigers – 1yr/7MM

    a) Perhaps the most pitcher friendly park in the AL.

    b) Probably spends more time on the field than with the Sox.

    c) If stats are down because of Park he can expect less playing time following year from next team and less money.

    White Sox 1yr/4.5MM in current day value ($6MM probably total)

    a) Very Hitter friendly park

    b) Chance to play with best Friend from High School

    c) Wife prefers Chicago

    d) Nice balance of DH and field time.

    e) Better chance at another Championship

    f) Better numbers from the park to leverage for a better deal the next year

    g) More stats to go towards HOF push

    • ahh steve. you had all great points the whole way, until you linked Damon and the Hall of Fame..

      • If Johnny Damon reaches 3,000 Hits you could make an argument for him.

        I don’t want to get in an argument about the HOF, all I am saying is that if he can rack up stats and pass 3,000 hits he could make a case for it.

        • HAHA sorry Steve Espinosa, i didn’t want to create an argument about it either. I agree with you on the bottom line is that Damon can have better stats, and a better chance to win with the white sox

    • baconslayer09 5 years ago

      Haha, on his web site, Johnny Damon said something along the lines of him and the hall of fame, all in one sentence.

    • Heliosphan 5 years ago

      E is questionable, particularly if his deal in Detroit has a club option. JV, Porcello, and Scherzer looks like a dominant rotation, esp. a year down the road.

    • davidwagner 5 years ago

      DET hasn’t rated as a pitcher’s park in years, fyi.

    • davidwagner 5 years ago

      DET hasn’t rated as a pitcher’s park in years, fyi.

  36. coldgoldenfalstaff 5 years ago

    Can’t wait until this is over.

    I would be nice to land Damon, but I’m not going to lose sleep if he goes to Detroit or Atlanta. He’d be a nice piece, but even if the Sox start with Jones and Kotsay, Jordan Danks will be ready to go by midseason.

    I could see either Flowers or Viciedo taking over 1B when Konerko isn’t re-signed next offseason.

  37. tigers22 5 years ago

    NICE. Best news I’ve heard on this ridiculous saga in a while. I love how Boras had to drum up this whole “Damon really wants to play in Detroit” thing. Boras and his staff must think they are geniuses but it was pretty easy to see through… going to the press, talking about the red wings and junk. Paaaahllease. Talk about stupid. Just sign elsewhere so I can stop hearing about my team thinking of making such a terrible choice.

  38. baseball52 5 years ago

    I’d love this signing for the Sox. He’ could crank 20-25 Hrs in that park and he could DH for them.

  39. lougehrig 5 years ago

    Mark my words: .290, 12 hr, 68rbi when all is said and done after september…this is it…not so bad, but is it really worth all the fuss? Would have been nice to keep him on yanks, but it just didnt work out.

  40. 0vercast 5 years ago

    Is there a player currently in MLB whose talent people disagree about more than Johnny Damon? I can’t think of one…

  41. 0vercast 5 years ago

    Is there a player currently in MLB whose talent people disagree about more than Johnny Damon? I can’t think of one…

  42. cachhubguy 5 years ago

    So he turned down $14 million for $6.5 million. Shrewd. Looks like his negotiating skills are as strong as his arm.

  43. cachhubguy 5 years ago

    So he turned down $14 million for $6.5 million. Shrewd. Looks like his negotiating skills are as strong as his arm.

  44. skybluesox 5 years ago

    Viciedo will be the next first baseman.

  45. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    I don’t have fancy sabremetrics to back it up, but I’m skeptical of guys who perform well in the Cuban leagues. There’s just not enough international competition or transparency by the Cuban squad to get an accurate reading of how competitive it is. Alexei Ramirez, for all intents and purposes, has underperformed expectations.

    Last I checked, Cuban hitters weren’t facing Verlanders, Sloweys, or Grienkes…

  46. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Good list of top products of the Cuban system. Any idea where I could find a good comprehensive run-down of all the players to come out of the Cuban system? I’m curious how many have been “busts”, or in what percentage they actually become solid players.

    Of course, the Dominican has big-time names like Pujols and Ortiz, while Venezuela has names like Abreu and Santana. Until Cuba produces a HOF-calibre talent of that kind, I suspect they’ll continue to be overlooked.

    And, naturally, the whole political issues surrounding the US-Cuba make simple getting the players into the MLB another major hurdle. My understanding is scouts have to go to extreme measures just to get a glimpse of the kids – until they’ve defected, of course.

    I could be wrong though, I’ve only read a couple brief articles on Cuba’s ballplayers…

  47. guillen4life13 5 years ago

    Yonder Alonso is not a Cuban prospect in the sense you are trying to make us believe. He played college ball at the University of Miami and is not a product of the Cuban system.

  48. disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

    Dude,
    I was in Cuba for 2 weeks last year. I can 100% assure you from first-hand observation that:
    -Their diets consists of whatever they buy with the monthly ration(roughly $40) provided to them by the Communist government. They eat a lot of rice and beans. Fresh fruit and vegetables and meat is very rare, unless you live on a farm.
    – Their health care system is awful
    -The education system is worse. Again, the communist government controls 100% of what is and is not taught in schools.
    – Kids are playing baseball everywhere, but 95% of the facilities and equipment being used is in horrible condition. A new baseball, or uncracked wood bat is worth it’s weight in gold.

    I could go on all day, but trust me, Cuba is not the wonderful, pristine baseball breeding ground people believe it to be.

    Everyday, people are literally dying to get off that island. It’s not because of the great health care, education or nutrition they are getting.

  49. jwsox 5 years ago

    Teh angles didnt let tex walk…WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT…they offered him a huge contract and got out bid by the yankees…dont make it seem like they just let a swich hitting, 40+hr .300 avg glod glove hitting mid 20’s 1stbasemen just walk…they tried really hard to keep him but he never wanted to be out west in the first place….the angles let him walk..come on dude

  50. I think you are selling Flowers and Viciedo short. Flowers was named the best defensive catcher in the Southern league by the managers last year, showing vast improvement. He still need to improve some more but to write him off the catcher position as a DH is ludicrous. Viciedo is still only 20 years old…he started in AA and struggled with the breaking pitches (as expected), but he tore it up the 2nd half of the season. He has tremendous bat speed and power to all fields. Way to give him one year of adjusting to a new culture, language, baseball level and writing him off. Bravo!!

  51. soxluv 5 years ago

    Not true about Flowers. He got one scout giving him a bad wrap and everyone keeps perpetuating that myth that he is a bad defensive catcher. Despite being named best defensive catcher in the minor league.

  52. gosox33 5 years ago

    cant catch? tyler flowers was voted best defensive catcher by the southern league mangaers and coaches last year!

  53. Hard throwing leftie with control issues. Opted for college.

  54. soxluv 5 years ago

    LOL – “Slowey’s”

  55. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    The kid has some of the best command in the Majors. Better than Glavine at this point in his career.

    But we all get it. You think the Twins staff is worthless.

  56. soxluv 5 years ago

    Name 1 prospect he’s traded that has caused regret. Pretty funny that you back that up with most don’t make it anyway. Seems like a good reason to trade them.

  57. soxluv 5 years ago

    Well that’s a leap – I don’t think the Twins’ staff is worthless but Slowey would not be in the conversation for the top 5 pitchers in the AL Central.

    He’d probably be the White Sox #5 starter.

  58. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    That’s fair. I just used him as an example of the kind of arms the AL Central has – Verlander is probably #1 in smoke, Slowey #1 in command, and Grienke #1 overall.

  59. firealyellon 5 years ago

    thanks for pointing out the obvious! on other news, the Cubs haven’t won a WS in 101 years…

  60. munson66 5 years ago

    I think you need to go back. If you are going to pass off the above as factual, I would ask where did you do these observations? According to the World Health Organization, Cuba has the 2nd highest doctor-patient ratio just below Italy; its mortality rate for children under 5 is 6.5 , the U.S. rate is 7.6; the daily caloric intake in Cuba is 3286, the US is 3754 (not too much higher); Cuba has near universal vaccine rates; life expectancy – 78.26, US is 77.99. Cuba has been known for some time now to have world class health care, even after the breakup of the USSR and the ensuing lack of economic assistance.

    Not a Cuba lover – just can’t stand when people try to pass off their flawed opinions as facts.

  61. soxluv 5 years ago

    I agree that all of Twins pitcher seem to have good control. But I’d have to put Buehrle up there as #1 in control. How else can you explain his extraordinary success for an entire decade with an 86 mph fastball?

  62. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    No doubt buehrles good. But the numbers say slowey is tops.

  63. jwsox 5 years ago

    In a recent article on the whitesox website it said that viciedo has been working on his defense at third and has actually gotten alot better. To be honest i would see Vicedio as the next full time DH. There is interest in the cubans, i feel that the whole jose downfall might have hurt our relations with cuban guys but there is always alexi and having a central american legend in omar on our team there is a possibility we might land anderson but who knows with these cuban guys they get huge deals and only seem to 50/50 pan out

  64. jwsox 5 years ago

    I can name a Number 1 prospect in our system he traded. Poreda, he Was the number 1 pitching prospect before he was traded for the god among men peavy….and to the dude saying that thee cuban guys are major league ready there is literally no way you can tell. The cuban league is 100% different from the american league. The stirke zone is bigger pitchers work different and the game is played differently. So to be able to say that two cuban players are MLB ready is a stretch. Also Kenny has no problem trading prospects for proven players because mostly it makes the teams better…Just think out of the thousands of prospects how many of them will actually pan out.

  65. soxluv 5 years ago

    Wow – that is just too ridiculous to respond to.

  66. jwsox 5 years ago

    slowey tops? more than a guy with a nono and a perfecto? buehrle who every sigle analyist has said he is on pace to be the next 300 guy, buehrle who at the same age as glavine is actually ahead of his 300 win pace…yet slowey is better hmm

  67. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Don’t take my word for it… Look at the numbers.

  68. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    No. Slowey has better command. This isn’t even debatable. Its simple math.

    I’m not saying he’s a better pitcher. But he is a better CONTROL pitcher.

  69. get the numbers then.

  70. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Do your own homework. Its common knowledge and hardly a secret.

  71. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Career stats:

    BB/9
    Buehrle – 2.1
    Slowey – 1.4

    source: Baseball-Reference

    Or is there another index you’d like to use to measure a pitchers control?

  72. soxluv 5 years ago

    The White Sox didn’t stuff the ballot boxes.

  73. soxluv 5 years ago

    Trading Carter was not a mistake. Injury prone or not, Quentin is much better. And Brandon Allen is bad.

  74. soxluv 5 years ago

    I don’t think they have any regrets about trading any of those guys.

  75. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Whoa, did you just imply impatientcubsfan has AIDS?

    Anyways, let’s all agree to avoid digressing into a discussion about the merits of a socialist-communist regime, eh?

  76. disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

    Dear Headfirstslide,
    I actually agree with many of your points. The Cubans are hard working, family oriented , gracious people which is why I donate my time and money to the people.
    However, as a health care professional, let me give you some information.
    Their hospitals are mainly equipped with items given to them by the Russians as they became obsolete in the early to mid 1980’s. They do the best they can with what they have, but the quality of health care for the average Cuban citizen is horrible. That is a fact.
    The high life expectancy rate you referred to is info put out by the communist government. I would take any of that info with a large grain of salt.
    However, since there are so few cars on the island, people young and old walk almost everywhere. This has been a huge benefit for them in terms of health. Since this is a baseball website, enough said about the subject

  77. Detroitchik 5 years ago

    If Cuba is so great Cubans wouldn’t showing up in boats at out most southern shores by the hundreds to thousands. If Cuba is so great why do we accept 20,000 Cubans for years as political refugees into out country? I know they play baseball it’s because Castro likes baseball, if he didn’t like it, they wouldn’t get the opportunity to play it. If Cuba’s so great why when their team played in the WBC did the come with full security, were kept sequestered, and not allowed to talk to the media? If It’s so great why do so many players have to defect in order to play for the MLB? It’s my understanding that once they defect, they can never go back because Castro doesn’t like it if you don’t want to play anywhere but Cuba. At one time Cuba was a great nation, Now i feel sorry for them. They live so long because of their diets and for those who aren’t healthy, well they are dying, just about any place they can. Did you know that when Cuban-Americans send money home to their families in Cuba, it’s taxed like 30 or 40%, can’t remember which. But Castro takes about half of what gets wired to them. Free healthcare, you mean communist health care…

    Sorry TwinsVet… I had to have my say on the subject… so now I will leave it alone.

  78. Why would I do homework on the twins unless were playing them. I honestly could care less. Its just that if your arguing something then its generally good to have information supporting you.

  79. Detroitchik 5 years ago

    tell that to the people who live it, everyday. And the same things are happening in Venezuela too. And I do know what I am talking about. I have a dear friend who lives in Barinas who would disagree with you, every night about 10pm, when his lights get blacked out because the government claims they have no money to keep the turbines running… please communism isn’t bad? WOW… self righteous or not I know what makes the world go round and I can tell you that communism fails in each society it’s used in, people are dirt poor, and on and on. Imagine going to school to become a doctor or a lawyer and your paid so little for your job that as a woman you resort to prostitution at night after you leave your law firm or your doctor’s office because its the only way you can make ends meet. It happens every day in Cuba. Castro ruined it, the same way Chavez is ruining Venezuela. Communism sucks.

  80. Thats better. You can just look at one stat. I’m not disagreeing with you at all. Buehrle is a contact pitcher.

  81. alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

    So Juan Pierre is a better bunter than Albert Pujols. Who would you rather have on your team? Buerhle runs circles around Slowey. And it’s just bias by you as a Twins fan that you even put Slowey among the same ranks as Verlander and Greinke.

  82. alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

    So Juan Pierre is a better bunter than Albert Pujols. Who would you rather have on your team? Buerhle runs circles around Slowey. And it’s just bias by you as a Twins fan that you even put Slowey among the same ranks as Verlander and Greinke.

  83. soxluv 5 years ago

    Not saying that was a good trade but Gio and FDLS have not proven anything and Sweeney is a 4th outfielder – so it doesn’t hurt too much.

  84. Heliosphan 5 years ago

    But you have to admit, Tony Pena sucks. He allows an awful lot of baserunners, and doesn’t strike out as many as you’d like for someone that has his premium arm..

  85. lug 5 years ago

    Wow! That is class rarely displayed on a messageboard. Bravo!

  86. baconslayer09 5 years ago

    I hope you’re really kidding. Only Red Sox fans who were too drunk on RSN vodka might of thought this back in 2005.

  87. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Damon right now if he retires, I’d say he’s almost a borderline HOFer… but he’d fall into a category of players I tend to refer to as entering the hall of “well they were good enough.” But if he gets 3,000 hits it’ll be hard to deny him as being one of the best of all time. I’m pretty sure that of all the players with 3,000 or more hits only 3 aren’t in the Hall: Pete Rose (gambling ban), Rafael Palmiero (not up for vote yet, possibly won’t get in because of the steroid scandal), and Craig Biggio (not up for vote yet).

  88. mistermonkey 5 years ago

    There are a lot of those “almost good enough for the HOF” guys, and there’s no shame in being one of them. Garvey, Dale Murphy, Parker, Trammell — those were all incredibly good, successful players who, in most people’s mind, are a hair shy of having the credentials for induction. Sure, the occasional “almost good enough for the HOF” guy squeaks into the HOF, but it should be an honor just to be carried over from year to year, even if you eventually fall short.

    Damon’s one of those guys. In my mind, he falls short even of a guy like Raines, so, unless he gets 3,000 — forget it. But he might get 3,000…

    Meanwhile, the Hall of Fame should really be pickier. The 75% of votes thing should be more like 85%. It should truly be reserved for the elite so that we don’t have things like Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and … Gary Carter.

  89. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    I do feel pretty much the same way that the hall should be more… well hallowed. Take for instance a recent entrant like Dawson… there’s no doubt he was good, but can you really put him in the same club as Aaron, Mays, Cobb, Williams, Ruth, etc? Or how about Bruce Sutter… let’s face it he got in because the voters were getting shouted at for not bring relievers into the hall. Or one of my favorite recent entrants… former comish Bowie Kuhn. Considered by many to be one of the worst and most controversial commissioners ever. Blyleven’s spot is almost assured next year despite being simply a good pitcher.

    But a benchmark like 3,000 hits does mean something. It’s a small club when you consider the number of people who’ve played the game over the years.

  90. mistermonkey 5 years ago

    Yeah, 3,000 still means something. I think Craig Biggio might be the first guy with 3,000 who won’t get elected to the HOF for reasons not having to do with gambling (Rose) or steroids (Palmiero). But who knows? Still, when you think of GREAT major leaguers, do you think of Biggio — or Damon, or yeah, Sutter? Very good, sure, or above average for a long period of time. But never transcendent. But whatever. For some reason voters seem to feel the need to put players down on their ballots year in and year out — even if none of them deserve it that particular year. That’s why even in down years like this past one, a guy who only got 52 percent of the vote just a few years prior could suddenly pass muster. Kind of ridiculous. Not that Dawson’s not very good — and you know, once Rice squeaked in, suddenly Dawson looked very worthy.

  91. mantistoboggan47 5 years ago

    looking at all of your posts… you are quite mad. you know this, i hope. please seek help if you aren’t already.

  92. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Really, you don’t think Biggio will get in? I don’t remember them off the top of my head but I remember when he was about to retire there were some interesting stats mentioned about Biggio that put him very rare company. But you are right, when I think about Biggio I tend to think “damn he was a very good player” and not “damn he was one of the greatest ever.”

    As much as I hate to admit it being a Sox fan, yeah Rice’s entry seems to have been the final barrier between the hall of fame being for truly great and the “hey they were good in their time.” I was happy for Rice at the time… but Rice should have fallen short.

  93. disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

    My “flawed opinions” were reached by working at and observing patient care and treatment in 11 different hospitals, both urban and rural, over a 2 week period in Cuba during 2008.
    As for the doctor/patient ratio, unfortunately, what passes for an MD in Cuba often could not pass as a first year medical student in a developed country.
    I wish this was not true, but the island nation of Cuba is a mess, and the people are the ones who are paying the price. Politically connected people however led very comfortable lives. Munson66, those are facts, not opinions. Please, if you ever get an opportunity to travel the entire country, you would be in for an eye opening experience. Thank you for your time and interest.

  94. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Read. Then post.

    I’m not saying Slowey is a better pitcher. I’m not saying I’d rather have Slowey on my team.

    However, I did EXPLICITLY say that “I just used him as an example of the kind of arms the AL Central has – Verlander is probably #1 in smoke, Slowey #1 in command, and Grienke #1 overall.”

    Read that again. Slowly. Verlander has the best gas. Slowey has the best control. Grienke is the best overall. I’m not saying they’re the best three pitchers, I want them the most, or anything. I’m simply CITING SOME OF THE TYPES OF ARMS IN THE AL CENTRAL and that comparable arms DO NOT EXIST IN THE CUBAN LEAGUES.

    Again: Read. Then post.

  95. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Read. Then post.

    I’m not saying Slowey is a better pitcher. I’m not saying I’d rather have Slowey on my team.

    However, I did EXPLICITLY say that “I just used him as an example of the kind of arms the AL Central has – Verlander is probably #1 in smoke, Slowey #1 in command, and Grienke #1 overall.”

    Read that again. Slowly. Verlander has the best gas. Slowey has the best control. Grienke is the best overall. I’m not saying they’re the best three pitchers, I want them the most, or anything. I’m simply CITING SOME OF THE TYPES OF ARMS IN THE AL CENTRAL and that comparable arms DO NOT EXIST IN THE CUBAN LEAGUES.

    Again: Read. Then post.

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