Moorad Finds Adrian Gonzalez Extension Unlikely

Padres CEO Jeff Moorad stated the obvious yesterday regarding first baseman Adrian GonzalezTim Sullivan of the San Diego Union-Tribune has the quote:

"While I’d be thrilled to have him part of the organization for the long term, the early signals indicate his cost will be greater than our ability to pay."

Gonzalez's agent John Boggs agreed, and explained that he expects a trade:

"The feeling we're getting is more than likely (the Padres) are going to have to trade Adrian because (they) can't afford him."

These quotes are far from groundbreaking, so consider this your official Gonzalez Trade Prediction post.  Tell us the acquiring team and players given up.  Keep in mind that at $10.25MM over the next two years, any team willing to surrender the right players could acquire Gonzalez.  Given their first base incumbents, though, the Cardinals, Brewers, Phillies, Reds, Yankees, and Twins appear unlikely.


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333 Comments on "Moorad Finds Adrian Gonzalez Extension Unlikely"


Guest
5 years 6 months ago

What a shocker LOL it almost blew me out of my chair in shock when I read this, wow-

5 years 6 months ago

Awaits 500 red sox posts involving lars anderson..

5 years 6 months ago

Why would the Sox sell low on Anderson? He had his worst year and still has a tremendous ceiling right there with Justin Morneau or Mark Teixeira. Giving Anderson up in a package for AGon at this stage would be silly.

5 years 6 months ago

-1 for Homer Fail.

grant77
5 years 6 months ago

LMFAO!!

5 years 6 months ago

“He had his worst year and still has a tremendous ceiling right there with Justin Morneau or Mark Teixeira.”

Wait…what?

5 years 6 months ago

Lars Anderson most certainly has a ceiling as high as morneau or teix. He struggled last year, but if you look at player comparisons, those are the two names that show up. To sell low on him coming off a bad year would be silly. What part of this is hard to understand?

5 years 6 months ago

I hate to be the bearer of bad new but Lars anderson does not have the ceiling of Teix or morneau.

5 years 6 months ago

The part that’s hard to understand is why you don’t think the Sox should trade a minor leaguer who’s coming off a bad year for one of the best first basemen in the majors. Lars would likely be a throw-in if a deal was made between those two teams, not a major centerpiece. He’s got upside but last year counts and it affects his ceiling going forward. Selling low on him is a concern but if he’s the difference between getting or not getting a player like AGon you don’t think twice about it.

5 years 6 months ago

I wouldn’t include him in a package deal. I would see what I have. There are many other expendable pieces in the Sox number 2 ranked farm system that can be moved over a guy with 40 Homer potential.

And since when is AGon even a top 10 1B guy? I’d much rather have Pujols, Teixeira, Youkilis, Morneau, Cabrera among others over AGon. Guy hits .250. Talking about guys like Lars who have 1 off year badly, but acting like AGon will move to a new town and become a .320 hitter is pretty naïve of you.

billybricks
5 years 6 months ago

Why say Gonzalez is not a top 10 first baseman and then only name 5 first basemen? I also disagree that Youkilis is better then Gonzalez, but that certainly just an opinion.

xTheHalosx
5 years 6 months ago

Actually his career BA is 281 in 6 seasons, and he had 40 HR last year, how many more do you think he’d have if he played in Fenway? So ya I’d say he’s AT LEAST a top 10.

5 years 6 months ago

A comparable player in my eyes to AGon is Jason Bay… AGon is just younger giving him higher value

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

Dude, I’m a huge Red Sox guy, but its people like you that make us look bad. Sorry man. AGonz is a .281 career hitter including the first two seasons of his career where he struggled and his below .240 both years. He’s also averaged 36HR/162Games. He isn’t even 28 yet. There’s a chance he hasn’t even hit his peak, never mind the fact that he’s a fantastic defender.

You always trade the unknown commodity for the proven talent if that talent is one of the best at his position. That’s without considering that AGonz is extremely affordable and under 30. Factor that in and it’s a no-brainer.

In the end, the price for AGonz is going to be a hell of a lot more than Lars Anderson. It’ll probably be in the range of Casey Kelly + Lars Anderson + either Clay or Jacoby.

5 years 6 months ago

And you sir obviously do not understand the stock market, or trade market. I’m not saying that Lars Anderson is great, or going to be. But anyone with any knowledge of our farm system, knows there are other guys who we could sell high on. Theo is still very fond of Anderson and I highly doubt he’s going to move him as a spare piece of a package deal for another 1B when his history shows he’d much prefer to see how Lars responds this year.

As far as AGon goes, sure he’s impressive. Not denying that. Bay is too, and is also around a .280 career hitter who smashes the ball out of any ballpark he walks into, and did the same with the Pirates with LESS protection than AGon has ever had. Xavier Nady was the only other above average player on that team. Bay’s average didn’t rise in the move to Boston where he was much more protected.

AGon is still in the NL. Let’s just call a spade a spade. The NL is weaker than the AL right now, and almost always. Even the greats have struggled with the transition. There is no way of saying if AGon goes to an AL team, he will have the same success. Look at great hitters like Matt Holliday, and their plummetting stats when they moved to the AL.

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

Theo loved Hanley. Hanley was a piece of the Beckett/Lowell deal (Don’t tell me it was a trade by committee. Theo was still involved, just not under contract). He was fond of Masterson. Masterson went in the VMart deal. Theo has proven time and time again that he will trade almost any prospect in the right package for a proven star. The fact that both are at 1B means that he would probably like to do it even more. Getting AGonz without moving Lars essentially blocks him in the minors. Why would you keep Lars to have him blocked?

You clearly don’t know the trade market, not me. You’re looking at his value as a 1 year rental. He’s under team control for 10ishMM in 2011 also.

Also, you forget that the Padres GM is Jed Hoyer. He knows the Sox farm system just as well, if not better, than Theo.

5 years 6 months ago

youks the only infielder on payroll beyond 2010 how would anderson be blocked

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

Huh? Youk, Pedroia, and Scutaro are all on payroll beyond 2010 and there is a player option for Beltre, but that is beyond the point. You’re talking about getting AGon without trading Lars. Doing that will put Youk at 3rd, AGon at 1st and Lars in the minors. That sounds like it’s a block to me.

5 years 6 months ago

And pedroia and scutaro are NOT corner infielders. Scoots can play 3B, but that doesn’t effect anderson… What are you talking about? And that player option for beltre is only going to be used if he’s not effective, in which case shifting youk to 3B and opening up a job at 1B is beyond likely, its imminent.

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

You didn’t say corner infielder. You said “youks the only infielder on payroll beyond 2010″

Regardless of if Beltre leaves or not. You’re proposing trading for AGon and keeping Lars. That would mean Youk plays third and AGon plays first. This would still block Anderson. My point was that by including Anderson in place of a prospect that plays a different position is preferable, because a 1B prospect like Anderson would be blocked for the forseeable future with the acquisition (and assummed extention) of a player like Adrian Gonzalez. Not sure what’s hard to grasp about that.

5 years 6 months ago

I’m NOT saying keep Lars. I’m simply saying once again DO NOT SELL LOW on him coming off an injured off year. That’s all I said… You guys are the ones twisting my words around. I’m not just talking about not trading Lars for AGon, but not trading him before 2010 regardless. Best case, they trade for AGon and sell high on Lars Anderson in 2011 for another piece they need, when Lars has a chance to rebound his value. Second case, don’t trade for AGon, and see what you have going into an off-season that could have a laundry list of superstars who can be picked up without losing important pieces and perhaps give lars a shot if he does well this year. Worst case, Lars is garbage in 2010, and you move him as a spare part once you know he won’t be a star or reach his ceiling in a close enough time period to make him worth holding onto for the Sox. Once again tho, if that happens there are plenty of high profile free agents that could be had without losing guys with enormous ceilings.

billybricks
5 years 6 months ago

Trading Lars Anderson for Adrian Gonzalez is not selling low.

5 years 6 months ago

Straight up? Thatd be great. But as everyone has stated repeatedly including me, he would just be a small piece addition in a package that would be surrounding Clay Buchholz and/or Ellsbury. That’s a lot to give up along with a guy like Westmoreland, even for AGon

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

For AGon you basically say “Choose any two from the farm, plus Jacoby or Clay”

5 years 6 months ago

And pedroia and scutaro are NOT corner infielders. Scoots can play 3B, but that doesn’t effect anderson… What are you talking about? And that player option for beltre is only going to be used if he’s not effective, in which case shifting youk to 3B and opening up a job at 1B is beyond likely, its imminent.

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

Huh? Youk, Pedroia, and Scutaro are all on payroll beyond 2010 and there is a player option for Beltre, but that is beyond the point. You’re talking about getting AGon without trading Lars. Doing that will put Youk at 3rd, AGon at 1st and Lars in the minors. That sounds like it’s a block to me.

5 years 6 months ago

youks the only infielder on payroll beyond 2010 how would anderson be blocked

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

Theo loved Hanley. Hanley was a piece of the Beckett/Lowell deal (Don’t tell me it was a trade by committee. Theo was still involved, just not under contract). He was fond of Masterson. Masterson went in the VMart deal. Theo has proven time and time again that he will trade almost any prospect in the right package for a proven star. The fact that both are at 1B means that he would probably like to do it even more. Getting AGonz without moving Lars essentially blocks him in the minors. Why would you keep Lars to have him blocked?

You clearly don’t know the trade market, not me. You’re looking at his value as a 1 year rental. He’s under team control for 10ishMM in 2011 also.

Also, you forget that the Padres GM is Jed Hoyer. He knows the Sox farm system just as well, if not better, than Theo.

Mario Saavedra
5 years 6 months ago

sorry, but your comments are just retarded. stop overrating your own team’s prospects, and don’t compare Adrian Gonzalez to jason bay. bay sucks defensively, and has always been in good hitters parks, and with the sox he had more than enough protection. A-Gon has been doing it with kouz behind him in petco. Your NL to AL argument is weak, too. Holliday moved from Coors to a pitcher friendly park with no protection, and started hitting after a few weeks of struggle.

5 years 6 months ago

Did I not say twice already, I was speaking offensive numbers only. And once again: Pedroia, Youk, hanley, papelbon, bard, buchholz, ellsbury, ect. All have come out of our farm system. We are the number 2 farm system in baseball according to ESPN’s Keith Law. stop being a hater and read the thread. I’m not underrating or overrating anything. As I said, LAST TIME I’m gonna say this so pay attention!!! The Sox have many other guys, including another 1B prospect anthony rizzo, that they could build a package of prospects around NOT including Lars Anderson. There is no need or reason to trade Anderson when he still holds a ceiling of 40 Home run potential and a 300 average. He has the plate discipline of Kevin Youkilis. He’s an incredible athlete, and he’s intelligent and a fast learner. see any scouting report on the kid or just watch him play before you say the dumb things you are. As I’ve said MULTIPLE times of course he’s still a prospect, but moving him now is selling super low on him. It’d be like holding onto an AIG stock for years hoping it will build, and then trading it as the company collapsed… Its absolutely retarded. Think about what you say before you say it, and don’t hate just to hate on someone. Make sense.

As far as offensive number go, which as I’ve also said multiple times is what I’m referring to, look at them idiot lol. Bay has a career line of .280/.376/.519 playing mostly with a team as bad or worse than the Padres.

Agon hit .281/.362/.506 also on a garbage team. If anything Bay is BETTER offensively… So stop acting like AGon is the second coming of Pujols, cause he’s nowhere near it. He’s good with the glove, but he’s not that much of an upgrade over Lars’ projected .300/.400/.480 line that was established after the 08 season. He was playing hurt last year. Give him a chance to rebound. Once again, think, analyze, then speak. Or just don’t speak. Even better.

5 years 6 months ago

This is without mentioning he’s a lefty that crushes southpaws

Mario Saavedra
5 years 6 months ago

yah yeah… Jasoy Bay is better than A-Gon, you’re right…. (NOT).

5 years 6 months ago

And you sir obviously do not understand the stock market, or trade market. I’m not saying that Lars Anderson is great, or going to be. But anyone with any knowledge of our farm system, knows there are other guys who we could sell high on. Theo is still very fond of Anderson and I highly doubt he’s going to move him as a spare piece of a package deal for another 1B when his history shows he’d much prefer to see how Lars responds this year.

As far as AGon goes, sure he’s impressive. Not denying that. Bay is too, and is also around a .280 career hitter who smashes the ball out of any ballpark he walks into, and did the same with the Pirates with LESS protection than AGon has ever had. Xavier Nady was the only other above average player on that team. Bay’s average didn’t rise in the move to Boston where he was much more protected.

AGon is still in the NL. Let’s just call a spade a spade. The NL is weaker than the AL right now, and almost always. Even the greats have struggled with the transition. There is no way of saying if AGon goes to an AL team, he will have the same success. Look at great hitters like Matt Holliday, and their plummetting stats when they moved to the AL.

5 years 6 months ago

This is a horrible comparison. AGonz with 2 gold gloves, crushing the ball in a pitchers park with 0 lineup protection? Marksawx is completely right. Dude, do your research before posting comments like that.

5 years 6 months ago

Jason Bay had a whole lotta protection in Pittsburgh when he hit over .300 didn’t he… Lol. I’m not comparing defense, by the way. I was comparing offense.

5 years 6 months ago

It’s hard to say that there was alot of protection in PITT, true, but… You have already mentioned Nady. McClouth was solid in 08, check the stats. LaRoche was solid in 07. Combined with Bay who has only hit over .300 one time in his career, and in fact had a great power year in 09, but poor low BA on a loaded lineup like the BOSOX. And, add AGonz defense on top of that, 27 years old and under dirt cheap control for the next 2 years. How many teams are actually building their team around Jason Bay? None. The AGonz, Tex, Pujols, Wright, Jeter, C. Jones, Berkman, etc in the baseball market are players that encompass a franchise with their all around play, durability, and demeanor, not just a big bat. If you decide to actually compare a player, you need to compare all of the playing or point out in your initial statement that you are only comparing batting instead of backpeddaling like you are doing. These 2 players are not good comparisons and this entire forum knows it. You are making BoSox fans look really bad with your low end remarks.

marksawx
5 years 6 months ago

I don’t know why you’re hung up on .300 as a number that is expected for an average. there are only 202 players that have EVER played the game that finished with a .300 average. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/batting_avg_career.shtml) and there are some active players near the bottom of that list that will almost certainly fall off over time as their career progresses.

And how can you say that you’re just going to ignore defense? That’s a weak cop-out. You’re ignoring 50% of the game.

5 years 6 months ago

Your “above average” player hit .275 when I grew up as a kid. If you hit .275 with 20 homers and 100 rbis, you were a star worth top dollar. In 2010, the above average players hit .290/.360/.480. Far better than their 1980s counterparts.

Look at the list you sent me, and then look at how many are current or recent players. Then also look at guys who are skewed by a few bad seasons later in their careers at 36. See kenny lofton, jim rice, ect.

5 years 6 months ago

Jason Bay had a whole lotta protection in Pittsburgh when he hit over .300 didn’t he… Lol. I’m not comparing defense, by the way. I was comparing offense.

5 years 6 months ago

Alright Lars, you can stop defending yourself now.

billybricks
5 years 6 months ago

Why would it be silly? Lars Anderson’s absolute ceiling is Adrian Gonzalez – if you have the money why not just pay for the guarantee considering he’s likely to fall something short of Adrian Gonzalez (that is not to say he’s a bad player)

YODA777
5 years 6 months ago

How about Adrian Gonzalez straight up for Lars Anderson. Maybe the Padres could include cash also to sweeten the deal. We all know that every single Red Sox prospect is the second coming of Mickey Mantle for Nolan Ryan.

5 years 6 months ago

Lol did I even suggest anything close to that? I simply said, see what you have. Do you understand the concept of a ceiling? A ceiling simply means he could be that good. Does not mean he’s going to be. And yes, Texas and Bostons prospects are ranked the best in baseball. 1 and 2. We have a handful of prospects in the top 100, and 3 in the top 50. Lars doesn’t need to be mantle on this team. If he wound up even being close to another Youkilis, I’d be happy.

Also you can’t hate on what the boston red sox farm system has put out already. Youk, pedroia ellsbury lester buchholz bard papelbon delcarmen hanley ramirez… The list goes on man. The last decade, the sox have pounded more superstars out of their farm system than any other team in baseball, while still being a world series competitor. Name one other team you can say that about.

YODA777
5 years 6 months ago

You can keep Anderson and all the other Boston prospects. I would rather
have Matusz and Weiters from Baltimore.

5 years 6 months ago

Lol did I even suggest anything close to that? I simply said, see what you have. Do you understand the concept of a ceiling? A ceiling simply means he could be that good. Does not mean he’s going to be. And yes, Texas and Bostons prospects are ranked the best in baseball. 1 and 2. We have a handful of prospects in the top 100, and 3 in the top 50. Lars doesn’t need to be mantle on this team. If he wound up even being close to another Youkilis, I’d be happy.

Also you can’t hate on what the boston red sox farm system has put out already. Youk, pedroia ellsbury lester buchholz bard papelbon delcarmen hanley ramirez… The list goes on man. The last decade, the sox have pounded more superstars out of their farm system than any other team in baseball, while still being a world series competitor. Name one other team you can say that about.

YODA777
5 years 6 months ago

How about Adrian Gonzalez straight up for Lars Anderson. Maybe the Padres could include cash also to sweeten the deal. We all know that every single Red Sox prospect is the second coming of Mickey Mantle for Nolan Ryan.

5 years 6 months ago

The Sawx for eh, Jed Lowrie, and er, eh, Bill Hawl and em, Mike Lowell!

5 years 6 months ago

LOL I wish, but NO WAY lol.

boy9988
5 years 6 months ago

The Mariners would LOVE him!! But there is no way to get that done. Seattle just doesn’t have the prospects. Even including Ackley, it would still require emptying out the entire farm system, something Jack Z has said numerous times he wouldn’t do. But if Seattle did get ahold of him…then there would be no doubt they become the team to beat in the west. Too bad it’ll never happen. :(

5 years 6 months ago

Wouldn’t put it past Jack being able to swing a deal.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

Ackley cant be traded until next offseason. But, at the time Ackley could certainley be a major centerpiece. A deal with the mariners could get done, but not until next year.

5 years 6 months ago

1 year from when he signed he can be traded. You will often see trades around the trading deadline with a PTBNL that turns out to be a draft pick from the previous year.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

Still puts a potential trade including ackley months away. If the padres can aquire ackley I would be stoked

5 years 6 months ago

1 year from when he signed he can be traded. You will often see trades around the trading deadline with a PTBNL that turns out to be a draft pick from the previous year.

Guest
5 years 6 months ago

Cue ludicrous trade proposals, in 3-2-1- go!

JohnLucarelli
5 years 6 months ago

I’m waiting for the ratio of Met fan proposals to people laughing at Met fan proposals.

I would love to see a trade get done that doesn’t include Ike Davis so we can play him in RF after this year. Who I would send over there? I wouldn’t even know where to start, but Murphy and F-Mart would be included.

pdoubleu
5 years 6 months ago

Daniel Murphy has no value.

Infield Fly
5 years 6 months ago

I already got my desperate proposal in (see below). Start laughing.
:-/

GasLampGuru
5 years 6 months ago

I don’t foresee a trade with the Mets involving David Murphy or Fernando Martinez. Think bigger (no Niese doesnt count, either). It would start with Ike Davis,

BlackSoxBandits
5 years 6 months ago

Please stop with Murphy. The guy is useless. And F-Mart’s value decreases by the day. I would not give up anything for those two.

bbxxj
5 years 6 months ago

I REALLY hope the Braves don’t try the Tex trade again. We have the specs like last time, but also just like last time we won’t be able to keep him past two years. It’s just inefficient.

studio179
5 years 6 months ago

Actually, I was thinking the Braves. Not as my first choice, but as a team who might make a serious offer. Might be wrong.

bbxxj
5 years 6 months ago

Wren values Hanson, Heyward, Freeman, and Escobar too much to give any one of them up as a headliner in a trade for a player with only two years (even cheap years) left on his contract.

raffish
5 years 6 months ago

Maybe not Hanson or Heywayd, but no Escobar or Freeman to headline a trade for AGon? Really?

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I put the braves in the same categorie as the Redsox. Both have the prospects to get a deal done. Both will refuse to part with the prospects the Padres want. I think Seattle or Baltimore are better options.

studio179
5 years 6 months ago

Hmm…I don’t think Seattle can make that deal. Baltimore might be a thought.

studio179
5 years 6 months ago

Interesting. I thought the Braves might make want to a run at Gonzalez and sign him long term. Fair enough.

5 years 6 months ago

Can you say Adrian Gonzalez to Boston Red Sox? Although I don’t know that they will get the same offer now with Beltre on board. Best offer they will receive will be something like Buchholz, Bowden and maybe one more small piece. If this is the route they are going to take, they should have accepted Bostons previous offers, which were probably much more lucrative…

I seriously think NONE of these GM’s have learned from the mistakes surrounding Johan Santana. Blue Jays didn’t learn with Halladay… Padres didn’t learn with Gonzalez… Tigers won’t learn with Cabrera… Trading a guy with a half-season value deal, and then expecting a mega-contract WILL NOT net you in return what having a guy with 1.5-2 years left on the deal.

Net what you can when you can. Don’t let it come down to the last half-season and take what you can get. That’s just flat dumb. If you are going to do that, hold onto the player and net the prospects with high ceilings that you can sign with that teams pick and the supplementary pick unless a ridiculous offer somehow hits the table. Padres have literally 0 chance of making the world series. In fact, so much so that the Vegas odds are +10000. To give an idea of how bad that is… the Yankees are +350, Boston is +650, Philly is +650 and the Pirates are tied for the worst with the Padres at +10000… Come on now…

If Jed Hoyer has half the brain on his shoulders that I think he does, and he has any say in the matter, Adrian will be in another uniform by May.

5 years 6 months ago

The pirates did learn with bay. so i take that back.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I think the Padres want to confirm what they have in Kyle Blanks before making a deal unless the deal is too good to pass up.

5 years 6 months ago

I understand that, but I just hope they realize they lose return on AGon each day into the season that passes.

mrpadre19
5 years 6 months ago

I agree with B_L_LFTW
If only the Padres were as smart as he is!
Unfortunately they probably have NO IDEA when is the best time to trade Gonzalez?
I wonder if they think they should keep him a little while to sell tickets and compete while they can afford him?
Amazingly the Padres have improved a little and the West isn’t that tough.
NAH…..They’re just sitting around waiting for his prime trade period to pass so they can look foolish…..yea……that’s it!

5 years 6 months ago

Jed Hoyer was a huge loss to the Sox organization. You won’t hear me say a bad word about him. I’m saying I think that he is a smart guy and will move Gonzalez early to maximize his return. If you can’t sign him beyond this year, you wouldn’t hold onto him anyway… Competitive or not.

And to say that the NL West is weak enough that the Padres will compete is a bold statement. the Giants will run away with that division with one of the best rotations in the NL. If manny steps up again, the Dodgers will compete too with ethier and crew. But the Padres? That’s a bold statement

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I think the NL west will see only a 10 game difference between 1st and last place. I have the Padres winning about 80 games. The padres have about a 10% chance to sniff the playoffs if all their young players progress and limit injuries. Anything can happen but most likely the padres are looking at competative baseball but 75-85 wins.

5 years 6 months ago

Jed Hoyer was a huge loss to the Sox organization. You won’t hear me say a bad word about him. I’m saying I think that he is a smart guy and will move Gonzalez early to maximize his return. If you can’t sign him beyond this year, you wouldn’t hold onto him anyway… Competitive or not.

And to say that the NL West is weak enough that the Padres will compete is a bold statement. the Giants will run away with that division with one of the best rotations in the NL. If manny steps up again, the Dodgers will compete too with ethier and crew. But the Padres? That’s a bold statement

mrpadre19
5 years 6 months ago

I agree with B_L_LFTW
If only the Padres were as smart as he is!
Unfortunately they probably have NO IDEA when is the best time to trade Gonzalez?
I wonder if they think they should keep him a little while to sell tickets and compete while they can afford him?
Amazingly the Padres have improved a little and the West isn’t that tough.
NAH…..They’re just sitting around waiting for his prime trade period to pass so they can look foolish…..yea……that’s it!

PujolsHollidayWestbrook
5 years 6 months ago

Red Sox: Anderson, Ellsbury, Bard would probably do the trick, although I’m no expert on the Sawx farm system

5 years 6 months ago

A guy who was atrocious in AA last year, a guy a year away from arb, and a reliever? Don’t think so.

wolf9309
5 years 6 months ago

pretty sure it’d take more than that. For one thing, I don’t think the Padres are interested in Lars, with Kyle Blanks waiting. For another, not sure how much they want Ells, as he’s bound to get pretty expensive pretty quick in arb.

PujolsHollidayWestbrook
5 years 6 months ago

Maybe a Westmoreland, Ellsbury, Kelley deal?

raffish
5 years 6 months ago

Something like that.

wolf9309
5 years 6 months ago

though quite sure Theo wouldn’t do that. Probably really is hard to figure out what the middle ground would be they could agree on- at any rate, it wouldn’t be happening before the ASB at the very earliest, more likely after 2010.

5 years 6 months ago

“Anderson, Ellsbury, Bard”

Not even close.

GasLampGuru
5 years 6 months ago

The Padres have no need for Lars Anderson. They have Kyle Blanks who would move to 1B if Adrian were traded. Ellsbury would be nice, but since he’s arb eligible in two years the Padres probably wouldn’t take on that risk.

My guess is any deal would need to start with Buchholz. From there, some combination of Bard, Westmooreland, Kelly or Reddick would be required. They would probably need to part with Clay plus at least two of the above mentioned players to get it done.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

Mostly agree. I used to say the same thing about Lars, but nothing wrong with aquiring prospects that can be traded later.

5 years 6 months ago

if the padres wait and trade him after the season, then the sox wouldnt trade clay,bard and westmoreland or kelly all together. no way that happens. one year for all that is bull and hopes theo dont do it. all the talk like the red sox are desperate for adrian is bull. they would love 2 have him but theo is not going to ship everyone out for him. im happy with youkilis being the red sox 1st baseman and next season there are some good FA 1st baseman.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I am not sure who is saying the red sox are desperate for Adrian, other than red sox fans.

5 years 6 months ago

the red sox would want adrian so would the rest of baseball(even da padres if they could of resign him) but theo has made it clear his not going to over pay. im all for trading for him but if the padres wait until next season to do it, then the red sox should fork over everyone.

YODA777
5 years 6 months ago

Then I say F. Theo, lets trade Adrian to Baltimore. Baltimore has quite a few decent prospects, lets trade him there and screw Red Sox nation. You can keep your Bucholz, Bard and Kelly. Baltimore’s top 3 prospects are better then yours anyway. Gonz to Baltimore for Matsuz and Weiters.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I like baltimore as a trading partner but baltimore is in a similar situation as the Pads. They have a farm system that is looking better than it has in the past and a young core of talent that still needs to mature. They may be 2 years away from possibly contending and can thus wait until Adrian is a FA. I do like baltimores prospects though.

YODA777
5 years 6 months ago

Once Adrian hits the open market other teams will out bid Baltimore for
Gonzalez; therefore, it makes sense for Baltimore to trade for him and have
exclusive bidding rights to him. It would make sense for Baltimore to
control their future by locking up a superstar without the interference of
the Red Sox or Mets. Baltimore can afford him because they offered large
contracts to other Free Agents in the past few years and saw those Free
Agents pick other clubs because they were winners. If the Padres got
Matusz, Weiters and perhaps another upper level prospect for Adrian I would
take that. The Padres would be getting a premium Catcher and another
potential staff Ace. With Matusz, Castro, Luebke, Latos, and all the other
upper level pitching prospects the Padres would be absolutely loaded. This
trade could yield a Padre lineup in 2013 of: 1. Cabrerra – ss, 2. E.
Williams [I think Williams will be a better player then Tate] – CF, 3.
Darnell – 3rd, 4. Blanks – 1b, 5. Decker – RF, 6. Weiters – C, 7. Rymer –
LF, 8. Zawadki/Cumberland – 2nd, 9. SP. The bench could have
speedster Durango as the 4th OF. The Rotation: Latos, Castro, Matusz,
Luebke, Sampson [so many possibilities here]. I would venture that at least
15 of the Padre roster would be making the MLB minimum at this point. If
the Padres could turn Adrian into Matusz and Weiters I think that would be
the best possible outcome. My prediction is that the Padre farm system will
be ranked either first or second after this season ————– it is
loaded with everything except for premium catchers and Weiters would sure
solve that issue.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

There is no way that Baltimore would trade matusz and wieters. We would be lucky to get:
Tillman
Caleb Joseph
Britton
Erbe

YODA777
5 years 6 months ago

You might be right; however, I would insist on one of Weiters or Matusz
[prefer Weiters] and two to three of those others you mention.

YODA777
5 years 6 months ago

Then I say F. Theo, lets trade Adrian to Baltimore. Baltimore has quite a few decent prospects, lets trade him there and screw Red Sox nation. You can keep your Bucholz, Bard and Kelly. Baltimore’s top 3 prospects are better then yours anyway. Gonz to Baltimore for Matsuz and Weiters.

5 years 6 months ago

In late July 09 according to Buster Olney of ESPN, the Red Sox were reportedly offering pitchers Clay Buchholz, Junichi Tazawa and young slugger Lars Anderson as part a 5 for 1 trade for Adrian Gonzalez.

The Padres turned it down.

It is going to take a true block buster 5 fo 1 that includes areas of need for the Padres, not schlubs the Red Sox want to give away.

And don’t forget, Padres GM Jed Hoyer knows the Red Sox system as well as any man after having been the assistant GM there last season.

Ohhhplease
5 years 6 months ago

Lol….if you admittedly don’t know what you are talking about, then why say anything ??

Infield Fly
5 years 6 months ago

I got an extension for him: this is me & the rest of the Mets faithful extending an open-armed invitation to come to Flushing…and show Omar & the Wilpons what a REAL 1B looks like .

OK…actually, this is me begging….

goblue2010
5 years 6 months ago

Dodgers trade James Loney and Ronnie Belliard, make Blake Dewitt starting second baseman with Jamey Carroll still a utility man on the bench. Won’t happen because of the McCourt divorce and the resulting unstable Dodgers financial situation, but I would go for that all the way. I’d even throw in a young decent prospect.

Taskmaster75
5 years 6 months ago

So, a replaceable second baseman and a power lacking 1b. No, you will need WAY more than that. Look at the proposed deal they had at the deadline last year, and you might have an idea.

goblue2010
5 years 6 months ago

The Dodgers might look into trading Chad Billingsley but I highly doubt the Pads will want him after the way he tanked after the all-star game in 2009.

Guest
5 years 6 months ago

You being serious?

vtadave
5 years 6 months ago

Sadly, I think he was. Regardless, Billingsley will be too expensive for the Padres next year after he wins the NL Cy Young in 2010 (kidding about the last part, but not the first).

5 years 6 months ago

I always like trading away my marquis player for a player who is slightly above at the same position, plus another guy I could get off the scrap heap anytime. – My name is Allard Baird and I approve this message.

Taskmaster75
5 years 6 months ago

Haha, point for you.

5 years 6 months ago

We have a clubhouse leader for worst proposal by far…

stew4073
5 years 6 months ago

thats basically james loney straight up for adrian gonzalez? never gunna happen. typical dodgers fan idea.

vtadave
5 years 6 months ago

No, it really isn’t a typical Dodger fan idea.

More a typical Mets fan idea.

GasLampGuru
5 years 6 months ago

Keep dreaming. How about starting that offer with Kemp – then we have something to discuss. Belliard is an extra piece, that’s all. Loney is never going to develop the power people projected for him.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 6 months ago

bahahahahahahaha. Oh man, thats worse than his deal

WagsFromLB
5 years 6 months ago

hah. I wouldn’t trade Kemp straight up for Gonzalez. Besides, thats stupid from the Padres side. They’d be trading Gonzo to get rid of payroll and getting back a player making more over the next 2 years and wont stay long term

GasLampGuru
5 years 6 months ago

I’m merely trying to make the point that if the Dodgers want a player like Gonzalez, they will need to give something up. Belliard and Loney don’t qualify as a legitimate offer.  I thought the best way to make this point was to exaggerate what it might take to get Adrian from the Padres.

LAblue
5 years 6 months ago

Last year there was a proposed trade for the dodgers from the padres. Adrian Gonzales and Heath Bell, for James Loney, Russel Martin, and Chad Billingsley.

5 years 6 months ago

You are only missing three more players that were rumored on this site and by Ken Rosenthal to be coming to the Padres in that deal.

Thats ok. What can we expect from a Dodger fan?

5 years 6 months ago

You are only missing three more players that were rumored on this site and by Ken Rosenthal to be coming to the Padres in that deal.

Thats ok. What can we expect from a Dodger fan?

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

You must be kidding. The package would have to be higher thank from most teams for the Pads to trade him to the dodgers

WagsFromLB
5 years 6 months ago

please don’t assume all Dodger fans are like this. One of the worst proposals i’ve ever seen.

studio179
5 years 6 months ago

Actually, I was thinking the Braves. Not as my first choice, but as a team who might make a serious offer. Might be wrong.

brian310
5 years 6 months ago

how can the white sox not be an option? they need a left handed power bat and konerko is a free agent after this year

not_brooks
5 years 6 months ago

The White Sox have the worst farm system in the game. Absolutely no way they have the talent that the Padres are most certainly looking for.

vtadave
5 years 6 months ago

Worst? Far from it. The Padres would have to listen to a deal involving Daniel Hudson, Jared Mitchell, and Tyler Flowers.

not_brooks
5 years 6 months ago

Hudson, Mitchell and Flowers are the Sox top three prospects. After those three, it gets pretty barren.

Mitchell’s got, what, like 30 games of pro experience? Hudson and Flowers both look solid, but I think it takes more than those two to get it done.

brian310
5 years 6 months ago

i think either one of mitchell or danks would habe to be in it

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

This package and throw in Jordan Danks could get a deal done. Would the wsox really give up their entire remaining farm system?

danks50
5 years 6 months ago

You’re being a little dramatic here. Yes they may not have top of the line elite prospects, but they have some very solid major league ready players in Hudson and Flowers, and other nice pieces in Danks, Viciedo, Morel, etc. If some team decides they really want to mortgage their future for less than two years of Gonzalez I’m sure they could be outbid, but their is enough pieces there for a deal to happen. However it would likely destroy an already pretty bare farm system.

billmelton
5 years 6 months ago

I think that the prospect of getting Adrian Gonzalez some time in May or June is what KW has been thinking during the Thome mini soap opera a couple of weeks ago. Remember, he’s stated that they’ve never really shut the door on going shopping for LH power during the season if needed. The whole “DH by committee” that Ozzie babbles about may just be a smoke screen for this too. Moreover, it’s not like Kenny and Towers haven’t orchestrated some sort of shocker deal in the recent past. If Hudson looks good in the opening month or so, I would not be surprised if John Danks ( and maybe Jordan too) is dealt. Morel and Rethorford are solid middle infielder types that may not get significant playing time with the Chisox because of Alexei Rameriez and Beckham at 2d and SS and thus could be dealt as well. I would hesitate, however, putting Tyler Flowers in the mix, given that it’s AJ’s last year on his contract and there is really no one in the organization other than Flowers to handle catching in 2011. Also, Konerko’s contract is up this year too, freeing up a good chunk of cash for2011. Remember, Kenny always cries that he doesn’t have the money to make deals…until he does.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I think the whitesox would have to truly believe that Adrian will put them over the edge and into the world series for them to consider depleting their system.

5 years 6 months ago

Really? guess the acquiring team? considering all those BoSox-Padres links it would come as a shock if they didn’t agree to give away Adrián for next to nothing to them.

The Padres are in desperate need of help, they need to find a good, cheap player that cautivates their fanbase, they found it on the González brothers, both by being locals and because they give back to their community, which in turn helps a lot to increase their “like-a-bility”, since the good old days of Tony had an everyday player been so popular.

I’m not even sure if I am gonna be back to their stadium, it’s my home team, but then again I don’t like the way they move players like it was a used pair of underwear.

M.

onlytank
5 years 6 months ago

The Mets need this guy terribly!!! Come on Omar, the Murphy/Tatis platoon is not cutting it.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

Martinez, Mejia, and niese would only be the beginning to a Mets package.

5 years 6 months ago

You’re insane if you believe that package would “only be the beginning”.

5 years 6 months ago

He is being realistic. The Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season. Its going to be just as big of a package they are looking for this season.

What do the Mets have to compare to that package?

5 years 6 months ago

He is being realistic. The Padres were asking for Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Ryan Westmoreland, and Justin Masterson on July 31st last season. Its going to be just as big of a package they are looking for this season.

What do the Mets have to compare to that package?

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I’m sorry, I meant that would only be enough to get Jed on the Phone. Thanks for pointing out my obvious blunder.

brian310
5 years 6 months ago

i think the chisox can get him after ozzie realizes the rotating dh is dumb and they need another power bat badly

wackysoft
5 years 6 months ago

To Beckett_Lackey_LesterFTW: Your uninformed analysis forgets that Adrian has a cheap team option for 2011 – meaning he currently has 2 seasons under contract. Who are you kidding with the Bucholz/Bowden proposal?

5 years 6 months ago

As a Red Sox fan, I am actually not sure why the Red Sox have much of an incentive to trade for Adrian right now anyways. He’s currently at his peak value and the Red Sox have already filled the corners. In fact, they’ve overfilled them. Unless there’s another corner IF position that I’m unaware of, I would have to think the value of Gonzalez to the organization has gone down. If the Sox and Padres couldn’t reach an agreement previously, I don’t think there’s any match unless the Red Sox have an injury or the Padres lower their asking price.

This is not to say that Adrian is not worth more than that kind of proposal, but that I think we’d all have to assume that the current offer by the Red Sox would be no greater (and probably less) than their reported offers earlier in the offseason. In that respect, a proposal like Bucholz and Bowden and another solid might be all he is worth to the organization at this point with respect to improving team.

avschamps
5 years 6 months ago

With DLee at the end of his contract and living around the SD area, I could see the Cubs trading for him. The cubs would give up DLee and a couple prospects for Adrian. As a Cub fan that really likes DLee, I would hate to see him go, but would like to see someone that will be around for awhile and DLee will probably not resign with the Cubs.

vtadave
5 years 6 months ago

…and why would the Padres trade for Derrek Lee?

5 years 6 months ago

Lee would have to be a throw in and the Cubs would have to pay his salary. He also wouldn’t affect the amount of prospects going to the Daddy’s because he’s not something they’re looking for. Can’t see a possibility there because the Cubs apparently don’t have the financial flexibility to pay DLee and AGon plus give up the required prospects. It’s a non-starter.

avschamps
5 years 6 months ago

I understand what you are saying but DLee has said in an interview with the tribune that he would love to go play on the west coast. He would be willing to give the Pads a “hometown” discount if he was traded. The issue is, the Pads are not going anywhere (playoffs) and the cubs have the chance (not saying they will… depends on a lot of things). Dlee knows his career is winding down and wants to win a championship, so the first key would be for him to waive the no-trade.
I’m not saying this will happen (my original idea) but it would be nice. We could worry about ext. at the end of the year.

5 years 6 months ago

More realistically I could see the Cubs getting in if AGon is still a Padre at the end of the 2010 season. They could let DLee walk, get AGon and save money. They’d need to deal the likes of Vitters, Hak-Ju Lee and perhaps either Cashner or Jackson. That’d be a lot to give up but AGon is a lot to get.

hxchairstylist
5 years 6 months ago

We here in Seattle would love his services…

ugen64
5 years 6 months ago

some delusional O’s fans say we should blow up the farm for him – Arrieta, Erbe, Snyder + change

stupid idea in all respects, but theoretically we certainly have the pieces to get it done, and we only have “good” prospects at 1B – no great ones.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I think the O’s are the best match for a possible trade. The O’s have the need and the prospects.

chicothekid
5 years 6 months ago

I just don’t see the rationale for the O’s to get in on this deal. Their pitching staff is in the crapper and they have no chance of competing in the AL East. Why empty the farm that much for a guy that isn’t even going to put you into the playoffs? Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Want to trade off the farm? Fine, do it for pitching.

padresfuture
5 years 6 months ago

I dont disagree. I just like the Orioles prospects and they can use Adrian. I am not familiar enough with the O’s to know if they have any pressure to add pieces(while looking up at Boston/New York) or if they are being given the time to develop long term like the Padres are right now.