Reds, A’s Swap Taveras & Rosales For Miles & More

The Reds traded outfielder Willy Taveras and infielder Adam Rosales to the Athletics today for infielder Aaron Miles and a player to be named later or cash, reports ESPN's Buster Olney.  Let's break down this bad contract swap.

Taveras will earn $4MM in 2010.  The speedy 28-year-old was a bust for the Reds in '09, hitting .240/.275/.285 in 437 plate appearances.  Rosales did not hit well in the bigs either, but he did crush Triple A pitching in 125 plate appearances.  Before the season Baseball America said he profiles as a "good utiltyman."  He's played all around the infield in the minors.  Rosales' inclusion might even out the salary gap between Taveras and Miles.

Miles will earn $2.7MM in 2010, though the Cubs sent $1MM to the A's as part of a December '09 trade.  Like Taveras, he was signed to a two-year deal despite being non-tendered by his former club and proceeded to have a terrible season.  AOL FanHouse's Ed Price tweets that there's "zero chance" this trade opens a spot for Johnny Damon on the Reds.

Olney posits that the Reds' $1.3MM savings may go toward Orlando Cabrera.  The A's were looking to add a cheap utlityman in Rosales.  The A's have taken a $3MM hit on Taveras and given up Jeff Gray, Ronny Morla, Matt Spencer, and a PTBNL or cash to get Jake Fox and Rosales.  They're not done, though, as Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle tweets that Oakland is "not expected to hang on to Taveras for long."

Still, we don't have all the details on this trade yet.  What else will be sent to Cincinnati?  What will the A's do with so many outfielders?


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119 Comments on "Reds, A’s Swap Taveras & Rosales For Miles & More"


Guest
5 years 7 months ago

A trade! Yes!!! and quite a good one!

penpaper
5 years 7 months ago

Okay, what the heck is Beane?! Davis, Sweeney, Crisp, Gross, possibly Taylor and now Taveras??

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

And don’t forget Travis Buck, who’s better than at least two of those options (Gross, Taveras) but is likely on his way out of the organization for some reason. Doesn’t make sense to me either.

5 years 7 months ago

Could it be that Buck is the PTBNL? He was already rumored on the way out with Gross brought aboard; this would be a good chance to move him. If so, I like the overall swap for Cincinnati.

zacharydmanprin
5 years 7 months ago

My guess is that it is Rajai Davis or Gregorio Petit.

zacharydmanprin
5 years 7 months ago

My guess is that it’s Rajai Davis or Gregorio Petit.

AsFanForever
5 years 7 months ago

No way it will be Rajai Davis. Davis is a sell high guy right now and he alone is worth more than Willy Tavaras and Adam Rosales even with Aaron Miles dragging down his value.

RanceMulliniks
5 years 7 months ago

Does this open a spot on the Reds for Damon??

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

no, for Cabrera

RanceMulliniks
5 years 7 months ago

true, regarding the 40-man roster. I meant does this open up a spot in the outfield and on the books for someone like Damon. Looks like they still need a LF.

ifyousayso
5 years 7 months ago

doubtful. the reds needed to drop someone from the 40 man roster to make room for cabrera and from everything ive heard chris heisey will be the likely LF this season

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I would hope that they could make a run at Johnny. Great American is smaller than Yankee Stadium so I think he would fit well there and they just cleared some money off the books. I would certainly take Johnny Damon over Chris Heisey but then again, I can’t complain if Chris Heisey is given a shot to be the everyday LF. Just depends if Walt Jocketty wants to make a run at Damon. I think they should.

5 years 7 months ago

No way they make a run at Damon unless the owner opens up his purse and tells Walt to go get him personally which isn’t going to happen. It does however open up a roster spot to bring Gomes back on a cheap deal. I want Heisey, Fransisco, and Frazier to all be given a shot at ST but if they don’t cut it a platoon of Dickerson and Gomes will work again

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

Interesting deal. Lot’s of centerfielders in Oakland.

jhh1
5 years 7 months ago

finally got rid of taveras!

5 years 7 months ago

Does Beane not like OBP anymore?

kevinhua
5 years 7 months ago

Is there gonna be global center field battle and the A’s are just stockpiling so they can win…

elgringo79
5 years 7 months ago

This really is the most rational explanation.

bigpat
5 years 7 months ago

Ok, one of those outfielders HAS to be traded now. I never understood the Crisp signing from day one. I’m guesssing he’s going to sell high on Rajai Davis or Sweeney, who will be in the market for him? Giants, Padres, Braves, Blue Jays?

At least Reds fans can rejoice now that Tavares is gone, but I thought Rosales was decent?

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

Could be wrong, but my guess is Taveras will not see anything close to a starting role. I can’t imagine him being a reliable enough player to make Beane feel confident enough to trade Davis or Sweeney.

Acortez
5 years 7 months ago

Yeah, rejoice Reds fans you get Aaron Miles….lol….

redsandyanksfan
5 years 7 months ago

true but rejoice the A’s fans for getting willy ‘i cant get on base’ taveras

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

possibly Rays, Blue Jays, Reds, Pirates, Tigers, White Sox, Giants.

elgringo79
5 years 7 months ago

Ha. He said Reds.

Also can’t agree with the Rays. But the others are viable.

S8P7W
5 years 7 months ago

I would love to have Sweeney on the Jays!

redsandyanksfan
5 years 7 months ago

rosales was good in his first couple of games but pitchers started getting to him and if im corrected he hit in the low 200’s

5 years 7 months ago

Reds fans are rejoicing they found someone dumb enough to unload Willy T on and on top of that only had to give up Rosales to get it done. Rosales will be an ok utility guy but he’s no starter. You love his hustle and work ethic but he just can’t handle a big league fastball when the pressure is on. I don’t have to watch him whiff anymore. Plus he was not in a good situation considering we had other prospects who would take the job before him in a year or two anyway

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

i dont understand this trade for multiple reasons.

willy taveras joins a crowded outfield and is similar to crisp and davis is that he is fast, doesn’t hit for much power, and is best suited to play center field. taveras won’t start if he’s on the major league roster but they also just signed gabe gross to backup the outfield.

rosales is a utility player but not much of a middle infielder and miles was their backup at short and second. i’d rather pay for a utility infielder (miles) than a 5th outfielder (taveras).

miles goes to a team with a crowded middle infield since the starters are set in cabrera and phillips. the bench has two veterans now with cairo and miles. i guess this means paul janish will have to spend time in the minors and not as a utility player in the bigs.

i don’t really understand why two teams purposefully clogged their rosters… im sure another trade is coming from the reds including buck or even taveras but for now im quite confused.

Acortez
5 years 7 months ago

I agree with you, on the surface it doesnt make sense, but I am sure there are other moves in the works for the A’s and/or the Reds……who knows what is going on in the back rooms of MLB front offices. Beanse said they had been in contact with Sheets and his agent for months, but to us fans it seemed a bit out of nowhere……

junior2009
5 years 7 months ago

With the Cabrera signing, the Reds had to create a spot for Cabrera on their 40 man. Rosales and Taveras are gone clearing way for Miles and Cabrera on the 40 man. It only helps getting rid of Taveras. The Reds removed 2 players from their 40 man roster by doing this trade.

It was a trade of two bad players with bad contracts. Miles, however, shouldn’t receive any playing time. Had Taveras still been at Dusty’s disposal, I am sure he would have been given opportunities to hurt this ball club.

5 years 7 months ago

True and I see Cairo playing in AAA as a backup and teaching the young middle infielders down there about how to handle themselves when in the bigs

dustyfresh
5 years 7 months ago

cairo will not make the team mile and janish are the bench infield!

coachofall
5 years 7 months ago

they needed to make a roster decision with Gross coming aboard. I wonder if they plan on starting Tavarres in Sacramento

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

good luck trying to get taveras to accept a trip to the minors…

notinhd_com
5 years 7 months ago

Taveras will be released/traded. There is no other conceivable scenerio.

5 years 7 months ago

In before ‘Billy BEANE IS A GENIUS’ nonsense post. Willy Taveras is one of the worst players in the game. Why get ANOTHER outfielder when you can’t find room for the 25th best prospect in the game (Taylor)?

alxn
5 years 7 months ago

The centerpiece of the deal is Rosales. It’s basically Rosales for a salary dump.

Truitalian9
5 years 7 months ago

this made brandon phillips expendable.

5 years 7 months ago

I think not. It got rid of a terrible contract in Taveras and Miles becomes the backup middle infielder. If anything, it makes Janish expendable.

5 years 7 months ago

And even this Janish isn’t good enough to bring in anything. Why on earth would the Reds trade off a young powerhitting second baseman for an overpaid aging utility player? If Janish outplays Miles in spring training Miles may not even make the team, and he definitely won’t replace Phillips. Not in a million years.

5 years 7 months ago

I think there may be some validity there- it may make Phillips easier to trade, although with teh purpose of having Todd Frazier (top prospect without a position) replace him and having Aaron Miles there as a veteran back-up if needed. Eh?

5 years 7 months ago

…How?

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

bringing in aaron miles makes brandon phillips expendable?????????? really??????? being a cubs fan, i certainly hope you’re right… why would a team want to replace a cleanup hitting 2nd baseman and fan favorite with AARON MILES???? have you looked at his stats? have you seen him play? or did you just notice he can play second base????

5 years 7 months ago

Not happening the Reds are not that stupid especially with Walt running the show. If Phillips is traded his production will be replaced and some but it won’t happen there is no need to trade Phillips this year

5 years 7 months ago

all of these threads are hilarious. This and “Stockpiling CF’s for a global battle” are funny

ivdown
5 years 7 months ago

Unless they really want to dump him (they should be able to get some good value for him, though), I really don’t think so. Miles isn’t a starter.

5 years 7 months ago

This seems to make it even less likely that Damon joins the A’s. If the A’s did decide to trade Sweeney he should be attractive to many teams.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

for the reds this move cements dickerson in center field which is great for the reds. jay bruce will be in right field. left field, if they don’t pursue damon, will be up to nix, balentien, and gomes who they are apparently close to signing on a minor league deal.

5 years 7 months ago

No, Stubbs will be cemented in center. Dickerson is a LF. Any move with Gomes would just make him Dickerson’s platoon partner.

genxhumanist
5 years 7 months ago

Sorry to disappoint a fan of Dickerson, but CF is Drew Stubbs spot to lose.

dmderringer10
5 years 7 months ago

Stubbs will be in CF on opening day, unless of course he gets hurt.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

gotcha, i didn’t realize the reds were so high on stubbs already. i do think dickerson will start in left then. in 128 games in the pros he has a .383 OBP. do you guys think stubbs or dickerson would lead off? here’s my guess at the lineup:

1. Dickerson lf
2. Cabrera ss
3. Votto 1b
4. Phillips 2b
5. Bruce rf
6. Rolen 3b
7. Stubbs cf
8. Hanigan c

or flip-flop dickerson and stubbs?

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Heisey is over Dickerson and Hernandez is over Hanigan.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

you also think michael taylor and chris carter will be on the A’s opening day roster… service time DOES go into decisions about who makes the opening day roster; especially when they have players who have already played well at the major league level like chris dickerson. heisey will will not be playing over dickerson. your point about hernandez makes sense but im sure playing time will be split fairly equally with hanigan.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

Not equally at least…Hernandez is a much better defensive and offensive catcher than Hanigan and did a much better job catching Cueto and Bailey and Volquez.

I’m just saying that I don’t think a team sacrifice wins for service time. Carter may end up getting the same amount through arb if they bring him up late or not.

I can guarantee you that Heisey will infact be getting the chance to claim the starting job over Chris Dickerson.

dmderringer10
5 years 7 months ago

Hanigan is a much better defensive catcher than Hernandez.

AsFanForever
5 years 7 months ago

Michael Taylor is almost big league ready but they might want to give him a bit more ABs in AAA because he was only there for 30 games and didn’t hit above .300 like he did at every other stop except his 1st minor league season. Could stand to be a bit more seasoned. Same with Chris Carter. He was only at AAA for 13 games and his playoff games and he hit for an average of .259 after hitting .337 at AA. Both need a bit more seasoning in AAA before they come up to the bigs so there’s no rush to bring them up just yet.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

thank you…. no i don’t think a team wants to sacrifice wins for service time but when players need more seasoning and the big club has a fine player in that spot already there’s no reason to rush that player… elvis andrus started right away in Texas last year cuz they didn’t have a better option. longoria and braun were both held back to start the year then came up and helped their teams in playoff races…

daveinthefort
5 years 7 months ago

root – I’d say Drew Stubbs in CF, Bruce in RF, and platoon of Dickerson, Nix, Balentien, Heisey or Gomes in LF. If they don’t sign Gomes, I’d hope that either Heisey or Balentien breakout in the spring and supplant themselves as the regular.

Dickerson and Nix can both plan CF and RF for the other two as well.

Swayne5
5 years 7 months ago

Disagree. Dickerson and someone like Heisey (or re-signing Gomes) will likely split time in Left. CF is Stubbs’ position to lose.

genxhumanist
5 years 7 months ago

Beane is focused on speed and defense now.

Taveras must be slotted as the personal pinch runner for Cust/Fox/Chavez/Barton/Kouz.

not_brooks
5 years 7 months ago

Taveras stole 68 bases in ’08 while putting up a .308 OBP. If the guy could get on base worth a lick, he could steal 100 easily.

I’m guessing Beane’s got something else in the works here. No idea what it could possibly be though…

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

If sun were rain there’d be no such thing as a drought.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

The Reds look like a much improved team but this one is a bit of a head scratcher. Tavares stinks, but at least he has some value as a defensive centerfielder and a pinch runner. I’m not sure Miles has any value at all. What’s worse, Reds fans better hope Dusty Baker doesn’t fall in love with Aaron Miles like he has with Neifi Perez and other utility infielders. If Miles gets a lot of playing time, it can only hurt the team.

5 years 7 months ago

Who’s spot is he gonna take? At least with Taveras last year he was actually the best option to start in center. I know. Hard to believe right? Miles will just fill Rosales’ role.

redsfandan
5 years 7 months ago

Except Dickerson easily would’ve been better.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

I don’t think he would take anyone’s spot barring trade or injury, but they could rotate him around the infield and possibly the outfield if they want to get him ABs. For the Reds sake, I hope that Baker has cooled on his affinity for utility guys since his days with the CUbs. It seems to me they would have gotten more out of keeping Tavares and Janish. At least they have defensive value. Then again, the Reds did save some cash…maybe there’s another deal brewing.

5 years 7 months ago

First person to call Tavares a defensive asset. He is fast but he took horrible paths to balls and should have caught a lot more than he did. Stubbs makes Tavares’ D look horrible. We didn’t give up Janish, it was Rosales who is a career AAAA player. He has no potential to become a solid starter in the future unless he makes some drastic changes to his hitting

redsfandan
5 years 7 months ago

They can use Stubbs and Dickerson in center,. Taveras isn’t that great defensively, and his one asset (speed) is something that have a decent amount of already.

This deal gets rid of the logjam in the outfield leaving Bruce, Stubbs, Dickerson, Balentien, and other candidates (like Nix, possibly Gomes, Heisey, etc) that should also be an upgrade over Taveras. Taveras really wouldn’t help the Reds with the way that team is constructed unless he could manage to have an actual GOOD obp. So, the deal gets rid of a bad contract, opens up a spot for Cabrera, and possibly saves some money too. Gotta love this deal.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

Money has to be the overriding issue, I hope. I didn’t say Tavares is great defensively, just that he has some value in that area, unlike Miles who has no value at all. If this is a precursor to another deal…i.e. freeing up money to re-sign Gomes, it makes some sense. If it was about acquiring Miles, well, I have to say that putting Miles on the field never makes any sense to me.

redsfandan
5 years 7 months ago

Money wasn’t the only issue. Taveras just really didn’t fit on this team. Where does he fit? In center? Both Stubbs and Dickerson are better. Left or right? Nah. As a backup pinchrunner? We still have better candidates.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

No question there. I’d rather have Dickerson as my backup than Tavares. He’s a much better player at a lot less money. That works out as a gain for the Reds. Hopefully, Baker won’t negate some of that gain by falling in love with Miles.

redsfandan
5 years 7 months ago

Well it’s too soon to know if Miles will stick. They may keep Janish instead or maybe even Frazier. Spring training should be interesting.

5 years 7 months ago

No. Taveras has no value at all to anyone anywhere. None. No. Stop. No.

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

Relative to Aaron Miles, he most certainly does. There is no doubt that Tavares stinks. However, as mentioned, Tavares has plus value defensively per UZR and as a baserunner. An 82% basestealing percentage also holds positive value. Miles has no plus value in any area at all.

5 years 7 months ago

You’re a cubs fan we get that you hate Miles. But look at Miles career numbers, he is better than Tavares. He had one bad year with you. Miles however is much more valuable than Tavares. The UZR people crunch stats but how much do they actually watch the game? A positive UZR for Willy is like saying the Reds will win the World Series this year. You want to believe it but it’s just not true

crunchy1
5 years 7 months ago

Nothing against Miles except that he stinks, even before he came to the Cubs. But it doesn’t matter. They both stink. It’s nothing worth getting worked up about. I agree with the guy who said that, for the Reds, this trade is simply about saving a little money and creating a roster spot for Cabrera…though as a Cub fan, I am hoping Miles gets plenty of playing time for the Reds.

5 years 7 months ago

haha Miles will be what he is. A backup and considering O-Cab played 160 last year and Phillips played 153 I don’t see Miles playing all too often. Maybe to spell Rolen at 3rd when he needs it but I expect to roll out the same infield just about every single day.

monroe_says
monroe_says
5 years 7 months ago

The fact that Dusty Baker is crying over the loss of his lead-off hitter makes this trade all the more beautiful.

tommy2787
5 years 7 months ago

I think Walt Jocketty is thinking of the Aaron Miles he had with the Cardinals the same way he did when he made the Scott Rolen trade. Miles was a .300 hitter with the Cardinals, he sucked with the Cubs because Pinella didn’t know how to use him the way Larussa did. But Taveras does suck, I can see why he’s gone

Hennepin_Gold
5 years 7 months ago

Strange trade of bench players… It leaves the A’s pretty thin on middle infielders. Also the glut of outfielders bumps Jake Fox to the reserve corner infielder role. Does this imply Eric Chavez is a no go for 2010 unless he learns how to play the 2B/SS?

coachofall
5 years 7 months ago

chavez has been a no show since the Truman administration