Discussion: Are The Padres Tipping Their Hand?

It's no secret that the Padres are thinking about moving Adrian Gonzalez in the near future.   Gonzalez, or, the "Human Trade Rumor" as Scott Miller of CBSSports.com refers to him, is owed just $4.75MM in 2010 and $5.5MM on a club option for 2011.  Yet, it appears that the Padres have already given up on keeping him for the long-haul.

John Boggs, the agent for Gonzalez, told team CEO Jeff Moorad and GM Jed Hoyer that his client will seek a contract similar to the $180MM deal Mark Teixeira signed with the Yankees last offseason.  That course of action brought discussion to a halt.  

While the Padres appear to have up to a dozen suitors for Gonzalez's services, they may not be keeping their cards close to the chest.  In his aforementioned piece, Miller writes that Gonzalez – inarguably San Diego's biggest star – will not be one of the six players featured in promotional nights this summer.  Neither will closer Heath Bell, who has also been rumored to be on the trading block.

This comes just two months after Hoyer assured a reporter that the club was not looking to move the 27-year-old.  Bobbleheads and replica jerseys aside, one has to wonder if the Padres' transparency in recent weeks might hurt them in the long run.  Are the Padres tipping their hand or is it already obvious to everyone in baseball that the Friars have to consider moving their star first baseman?


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  1. bomberj11 5 years ago

    The Red Sox should trade Buchholz, Hall, and Lowrie, I think that would work. At least it did in MLB 10: The Show….

    • BentoBox 5 years ago

      Thats too much. The Padrres should throw in Heath Bell as well. I tried it in 2K10. Even Billy Beane was jealous. (;

    • jlowrance 5 years ago

      Hall as in Bill Hall? I don’t think the Padres would want him in return. It’ll take more than Bucholz and Lowrie.

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      your crazy. try something more like dice-k, lowrie, and buccholz for a-gonz, bell, headley, latos, and blanks.

      (sarcasm)

    • jeffweissbuch 5 years ago

      I play the game too, but in real life that is not nearly enough

    • quintjs 5 years ago

      Love the idea of trading all the SS backup the Sox have for a couple of years…

  2. BravesRed 5 years ago

    John Boggs is crazy… Gonzalez is nowhere near the level of Teixeira, so should not demand a contract like the one he got. I think the lines of what Holliday got would be more suited for Gonzalez.

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      oh i think their pretty similar.

      both play premium defense at a not so premium position

      both give you about 35-40 ish home runs.

      both are slow :]

      tex was a free agent at age 28-29, agonz will be a free agent at age 29-30.

      major difference i’m seeing is the RBI total, but that has much more to do with the guys hitting in front of him, which Agonz has a bunch of AAA guys in front while tex has played for the angels/braves/rangers and had exceptable to above average lead off hitters.

      but in the essence you base your argument that teixeria was overpayed and the only notable free agent first baseman signing to a big multi year deal, then yes, Agonz shouldn’t get that kind of money. He will have much much bigger competition to face in Fielder, Howard, Pujols(maybe).

    • BentoBox 5 years ago

      I think fangraphs already wrote and article about this and others have touched upon this topic as well, but the difference between what A-Gon is gonna get and what Tex got is – The Yankees.

    • jwsox 5 years ago

      really? both are gold glove 1st basemen and both hit a ton of home runs, and Gonzo did it with out arod behind him giving him protection and gonzo hit a bunch in the pitchers park of pitchers park.. i would say they are very very close in age too….the only thing tex has on gonzo is the fact that he is a switch hitter and gonzo is a lefty

  3. bleedDODGERblue 5 years ago

    I think everyone who knows anything about baseball knows Gonzalez is getting traded. Hey Adrian, LA’s just 3 hours north on the 101 ;]

    • bomberj11 5 years ago

      The Pads are better trading him off anyway. I’d take prospects over picks any day. Also they’d get a massive haul. They really don’t have many options at this point.

    • that is so like Dodger fans to just want to throw away James Loney like that..no loyalty

      • Baseball is a game, winning is a business. Loney would make for a great addition to someone like the Padres where they can maintain their defense, youth and payroll and try to gain someone who is in High-A or Double-A with a high ceiling. Remember, the Dodgers and Padres almost did the Martin/Loney/McDonald for Gonzalez and Heath Bell dance last summer.

        • bleedDODGERblue 5 years ago

          Thanks for the backup and I love the idea of that trade however I think the Padres have first base covered so dont know if they’d want Loney, but who to replace him with..? I think if Ellis has a strong start replacing Martin (most likely going to start on DL) these trade talks could be renewed. And then turn around and trade Loney for a new catcher if Ellis doesn’t perform well or for some pitching.

        • markjsunz 5 years ago

          They are probably going to ask for someone like Kemp or Kershaw so unless the Padres will take prospects, looney can be traded and Gonzalez is willing to sign a long term extension it will not happen. The McCourts are throwing there money away on lawyers. There is no money for Gonzalez.

      • bleedDODGERblue 5 years ago

        I actually like Loney but I’d much much much rather have AGon. Loney’s great at batting at average and he’s very consistant, you know what you’re getting with him. However on the other hand, so is Adrian and his consistant numbers are consistantly alot better. Plus, with a trade of Loney (assuming the Pads wouldn’t want him) the Dodger’s might just be able to get needed pitching.

  4. Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

    It is obvious to the whole world that a trade is coming soon. No team is going to dump 5 or 6 quality prospects for only 1-1/2 years of discount on A-Gonz. The Pads need to trade him now, and pass the discount over immediately, if they want lots of top prospects. If they wait until Summer, they get 3 or 4 prospects. If they wait to the end of the season or the winter, they get 1 top prospect. I don’t know who will be successful in trading for A-Gonz, but I know that both Jed and Jeff are preparing Pads nation for a trade. Getting LOTS of talent in return will soften the blow for the fans. On the buyers end, 2 full years of discounted services justifies the surrender of lots of young talent.

  5. tygreen13 5 years ago

    jose lopez, carlos truinfel, chad cordero and others?

  6. pt_nj 5 years ago

    Adrian – welcome to the Red Sox. We’ve already told Mike Cameron not to get too comfortable with that #23 jersey. :-)

    • jwsox 5 years ago

      why does everyone think he is going to the bosox, there is no place to play him…the out field is set 3rd is set, 1st is set DH is set, there is no place to play him unless they move someone else, it would be a bad move if they traded away elsbury(he is one of the better lead off hitters in the game) drew and his huge contract are not going anywhere, same with ortiz, youk is not going anywhere, vmart is not going after what they gave up to get him, there is simply no place to play him sorry bosox fans truly looking at it you guys might have the prospects but i doubt it happens

      • pt_nj 5 years ago

        Beltre and Ortiz are 1 year rentals. If the Sox have a chance to get Gonzalez, it will be because they want him for the next 7 years. They will put him at 1st and Youk at 3rd. They will either trade Beltre or rotate him between 3rd/DH for 2-3 games a week. I don’t see Papi/Beltre being an impediment to the Sox getting Gonzalez. This would be a long term move for them….

  7. Dude you have no clue what you’re talking about. The 5 is way faster.

  8. coup 5 years ago

    The train has left the station.

  9. ReverendBlack 5 years ago

    If Beckett signs, I suspect Buchholz is not long for Boston either way.

    That said, I don’t think the Red Sox have a definite advantage in terms of what they’ll offer. And “tipping their hand” here doesnt much hurt the Padres as far as leverage goes. More likely it just further intensifies the market for the guy. Yes, we’re trading him: get your offer in now and make it better than the other 10 offers we’ll receive!

    • quintjs 5 years ago

      Very good point, all the Padres need are a couple of competing teams and they are set. Plus letting people know you will trade a good player will more likely to get serious offers as you know if you don’t show up with a good offer he is going to one of your competitors (50-50 chance) rather than staying on a bad team.

      Not so sure about Buchholz however, Hoyer being in the Sox system might prefer to run with high upside younger talent and take some of the A-AA ball guys like Casey Kelly. They would have to run Buchholz’s service time up when they have no support for him on the rest of the team.

      Same as with the Nats and Strasburg, nats have to have him in the majors this year but there is no point starting the clock in April.

      • ReverendBlack 5 years ago

        Totally agree on Buchholz. If I’m San Diego, that’s not my favorite proposal (unless Hoyer is huge on Westmoreland and/or Kelly and they’re included).

        I do still think Buchholz is slated to be traded SOMEwhere, however, if the Beckett deal is done. 3 premium pitchers locked up for the next year years at least and a offensive deficit they’d like to deal with ASAP. Buchholz is a tremendous chip. Just not for the Padres.

  10. MLB_in_the_Know 5 years ago

    wait wait wait wait….stop the presses!!!

    Adrian Gonzalez might be traded sometime this season?!?!?!?

  11. sportsnut969 5 years ago

    IMHO there is going to be a bidding war for this guy as far as a trade goes you have 10 + teams wanting him and IMO the bidding could go as hi as a teams youngest ready now pitcher and most likely 3 of a team top 5 prospects to boot.

    Red Sox fan always is think they nothing for something now I’m not saying Buchholz is nothing he would be the starting point now include the following Ryan Westmoreland , Casey Kelly , and Jose Iglesias or Derrik Gibson then I think you get a deal done.

    Mark my words this situation involving Adrian Gonzalez will be a bidding war and the above type of trade will be the type of players offered to get a deal done.

    • You’re making yourself sound like an idiot. First, you’re lumping all Red Sox fans into the same boat. Second, you’re assuming that they all think the same “always”. And, third, if you’re going to try and trash someone you should at least learn try to do so with proper grammar. I don’t know what “Red Sox fan always is think they nothing for something now” is really saying…. I just know that it’s ignorant. Damn, cookie monster sounds more intelligible!

      The bottom line is this… The Red Sox do have a great chance of landing AGon, even in a bidding war, and not because some fans might have a sense of entitlement or over value certain players. They have the prospects, major league ready talent and the $$$ to give him the massive long term contract he wants. Get over it. The fans are innocent even if “some” are a bit misguided. These fan base wars are so stupid!

      Oh, and as far as I can tell nobody has ever claimed a straight up trade for Buchholz would get it done.

  12. Guest 5 years ago

    I think the logical thing for the Padres to do is wait until the deadline and take the best offer from the most desperate team.

  13. Spirit of '69 5 years ago

    It’s been obvious for a long time that the Padres are trading AGon and right now is when they can get the most for him. The Red Sox have the inside track to him because they have the players to trade, the money sign, and the front office connection. That doesn’t mean they’re a lock, there will definitely be other teams involved because this guy is a premier player. I could see the White Sox and Mariners getting involved, perhaps the Cubs and even the Mets. I doubt the Padres would trade him within the division but stranger things have happened.

  14. Spirit of '69 5 years ago

    *the money to sign

  15. melonis_rex 5 years ago

    I have a feeling he’s in palehose pretty soon. most logical fit, and KW wants to win., Teahen, Rios, Peavy, Pierre, the team wants to win soon and are about one awesome hitter away from being favorites in that division. Enter AGon.

    • jwsox 5 years ago

      agreed when kenny wants someone he usually gets them we will either have adrian in a whitesox uni this season(hopefully without getting rid of gordon) or we will get adrian in 15 years like we did with jones and omar ha

    • disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

      With Jared Mitchell heading for ankle surgery, the Sox thin list of prospects just got thinner. Without Mitchell/Beckham included, the White Sox don’t have the prospects to compete with Boston, Baltimore, T.B. , just to name a few teams.

      This will start an argument. The CUBS have more on the farm to offer than the White Sox.

      • thebigdog 5 years ago

        If the Cubs were in the AL, they would lose 100+ this year.

        • jwsox 5 years ago

          Lets be honest besides the SS prospect the cubs farm is just as strong/ weak as the whitesox…the main problem with the cubs and I’m assuming your talking about the cubs going after adrian is they literally have no place to play him…Unless they trade Lee away and we all know thats not going to happen, although Hendry is dumb enough to trade for him and sit Lee and his 12 mill plus contract on the bench…Besides not having a place to play him. this cubs simply dont have the money. They might in a few years when/ if he becomes a free agent but now with all the back loaded no trade over paid guys like soriano, big z, dempster, lee, ramirez, koske, silva they simply dont have the money. Everyone around baseball knows the cubs are 1-2 seasons away from blowing it up and rebuilding. Its win NOW or next year for the cubs, AND if a deal for gonzo were centered around castro? the top SS prospect hendry would lose his job for that deal, castro is going to be very very good for the cubs when he is called up later this year and theroit is moved to 2nd…plain and simple please dont even think the cubs are in this race they simply cant afford him and have no place to play him,

          He will either get traded to somewhere in the AL east, the whitesox, or another AL team that can slot their current 1st basemen to DH, maybe an NL team but the padres GM is not dumb he knows if he trade Gonzo to the NL he will hurt them, the AL he will rarely see them, which is probably why there were more talks with the whitesox for peavy then for the cubs

        • jwsox 5 years ago

          the cubs still might lose 100 this year

        • disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

          Maybe, but what does that hypothetical have to do with anything?

        • disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

          Maybe, but what does that hypothetical have to do with anything?

  16. nelso139 5 years ago

    I see the Mariners and red sox going hard after him.. Mariners need him and sox just want him… I say the Mariners get him.. they desperately need power and with a lefty like him would solidify 1st base.. they will trade major league ready talent maybe kotchman or garko depending on how each one does to start the season.. and a few others as well

    • TahoePadreFan 5 years ago

      The Mariners may have a shot but i just dont see it, not enough prospects that would intrest the padres. As for the Sox Wanting him.. the Soxs need him. The RedSoxs have no power bat at all. It is that main reason they havent gotten over the top the last couple of years. Manny and his steriods left, Ortiz is an Antique, and even though everyone else on the team hits .300 none of them will give you more than 20 hr this year. A Big left bat at fenway is crucial for a WS run for them. AGon hit 40 HR last year, with only 11 of them coming at home in a park that kills left handed hitters (Petco was made to be Barry Bonds Proof) so a 50 HR season in a hitters park for lefties is very possible. The question is will the Redsox part with what Jed Hoyer wants. All the rumors i have heard from the Padres this year is that Hoyer wants Ellsbury and prospects like kelly.

  17. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    He’d be a perfect fit for the White Sox. They do have a history of going after players they want; do not rule the White Sox out of any trade discussions.

    • TahoePadreFan 5 years ago

      The whiteSox dont have the talent to trade, The padres already got who they wanted in the Peavy trade.

      • oneofthemikes 5 years ago

        The Padres got fleeced in the Peavy deal. The Sox got Peavy for Aaron Poreda (who is struggling mightily this spring) and 3 warm bodies. The Sox still have Hudson, Flowers, Morel, Retherford, Jordan Danks, Gartrell, and Dayan Viciedo (although we would have to eat his contract) that are available to deal. The Sox still have enough there to get something done.

        • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

          They might even put the young pitchers Danks or Floyd in the deal. Don Cooper will take someone’s young “failed” pitcher, sprinkle them with magic pitching dust, and they’ll be good to go for the Sox. They really ought to utilize this skill more.

          Trust in Kenny Williams. If he wants a player, by golly, he’ll do whatever it takes to get them.

  18. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    He’d be a perfect fit for the White Sox. They do have a history of going after players they want; do not rule the White Sox out of any trade discussions.

  19. northsfbay 5 years ago

    Gonzalez will go to the highest bidder and the price will be high. You are talking your best prospects. It is wishful thinking by Dodger fans that they can get him for Loney, Martin, DeJesus, McDonald. The Padres can do a lot better than that.

  20. If you’re referring to the Sox then yeah, you know something up. Do you know what that something is? A lot of the key players that were above AA are now with the big league club. If anything it speaks volume about the quality of some of the players they have developed in recent years.

    I’m getting so tired of all the unnecessary Sox bashing.

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