Offseason In Review: New York Mets

Next in our Offseason In Review series, the Mets.

Major League Signings

Notable Minor League Signings

Trades and Claims

Notable Losses

Summary

The Mets came into the offseason with needs at left field, first base, catcher, the rotation, and the bullpen.  GM Omar Minaya's approach: one big move and tons of little ones.

Bay was the major expenditure; his option has a decent shot of vesting and turning this into a five-year, $80MM deal.  The Mets also surrendered the #57 overall draft pick.  Should the Mets be praised for giving Bay three fewer years than Matt Holliday, at about $643K less per year?  Or did both teams overcommit, given an apparent lack of comparable offers?  Perhaps in both cases, the Mets and Cardinals feared that their targeted sluggers would could sign short-term deals elsewhere and they'd be left with nothing.

Though I initially liked the Escobar signing, it's already looking like a waste of $1.25MM.  In hindsight, he deserved a minor league deal.  I still like Minaya's approach to the bullpen with the low-risk signings of Igarashi, Calero, and others.

Minaya committed $1.9MM to catchers Barajas, Blanco, and Coste, which at least looks good compared to the $6MM deals given to Ivan Rodriguez and Jason Kendall.  The Mets are probably lucky that Bengie Molina didn't take their one-year, $5.5MM proposal, but they deserve faint praise for not offering a second year.

It looks like Daniel Murphy (.274/.328/.429 projection) has the inside track on the Mets' first base job, with Jacobs in camp as a backup plan.  Minaya never seemed too keen on tossing $2MM at flawed but more interesting bats like Troy Glaus and Russell Branyan, nor did he make a play in the $6MM range for Nick Johnson or Adam LaRoche.

With all the uncertainty in the Mets' rotation, I expected them to sign two starters to big league deals.  Instead, they added a couple of fifth starter candidates on minor league pacts in Takahashi and Fogg.  I don't blame the Mets for not topping Oakland's $10MM offer to Ben Sheets, but they could've been more aggressive on Joel Pineiro or Jon Garland.  The Mets have a probable rotation of Johan Santana, Mike Pelfrey, John Maine, Oliver Perez, and Jon Niese – and I have no idea how they'll perform or how many innings they'll provide.

The Mets are comparable to their division rival Marlins, aside from the $80MM payroll difference.  The teams project to have similar offenses, granting full health for both clubs (though I downgraded Carlos Beltran's projection slightly for the month-plus of Angel Pagan we'll see).  Both clubs also have unpredictable rotations.  I won't rule out the Marlins and Mets as contenders, but the Braves and Phillies have fewer question marks.


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126 Comments on "Offseason In Review: New York Mets"


icedrake523
5 years 5 months ago

Both Piniero and Garland weren’t great options to begin with. Both have a shaky K/9 and rely a lot on their defense. Garland didn’t want to leave the West Coast anyway.

icedrake523
5 years 5 months ago

Both Piniero and Garland weren’t great options to begin with. Both have a shaky K/9 and rely a lot on their defense. Garland didn’t want to leave the West Coast anyway.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

Only the media thinks the mets came into the offseason needing a 1B. The Mets have internal options at 1B and never had any intentions of signing one. Basically they solved their need at LF, C, bullpen, bench.

Fogg was never brought in to compete for the 5spot. The 5spot is between Niese, Nieve, and Takahashi.

And why would the Mets bid more aggresively for Pineiro, he is garbage. And its debatable whether Garland is better than anything in the top 4. You arent going to pay a SP 5mil to be your #5.

I hate Omar, but the Mets had a pretty good offseason considering how weak FA was. Only the clueless media thinks otherwise.

Russell210
5 years 5 months ago

I disagree. First base solidifies the whole infield (look at what Tex did for the Yankees). And the catcher is one of the most important positions. They have NOBODY at catcher, and their first baseman is a guy who could go south in a hurry.

Their defense in the OF makes one cringe with Bay and Francouer covering no ground. And they have the same back rotation that has failed them for a while now.

Their bullpen is a plus though…

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

For 1B, it was always Murphy until Davis is ready. They never had any intentions of signing anyone. At catcher they have 2 very good defensive guys, which is most important from that position with Thole almost ready. The OF D is being overstated.

And the only time the backend failed them was last season, it was always the bullpen that failed them. got anything else?

5 years 5 months ago

Nobody said they had intentions of signing anyone at first base. We are questioning whether their plan (which they had all along) to go with Murphy is smart compared to free agent possibilities. You believe it is smart, some others don’t. I am also questioning their decision to sign no one for the rotation. You liked it, I did not. If they have a good rotation in 2010, you and the Mets were right.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

The only people out there that were clear upgrades to the rotation were Lackey and Sheets. Both cost too much.

5 years 5 months ago

Alright, we will see if the Mets’ worst starter is better than all other FA pitchers then.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

You don’t think a pitcher’s ERA is reflective upon the division he pitches in?? Also, what were the mets supposed to do? Bump Pelfrey, Maine, or Perez from the rotation? Stunt Niese if he is ready?

5 years 5 months ago

I didn’t say anything about ERA. You’re right, the Mets’ hands were tied, they had no choice but to run with the current five.

bjsguess
5 years 5 months ago

If you plan on winning in the NL East you can’t love the idea of having a guy starting at 1st base with a projected OPS of 750. That’s not going to get it done when you have other glaring offensive weaknesses (catcher, 1st base, 2nd base, RF and pitcher). Honestly, they are sporting 4 below average offensive starters, 2 guys coming off major injuries, 1 guy who forgot how to hit a HR, and another guy who is fine offensively but has major holes in his defense.

The Mets are a lot like the Braves in my mind. Both have major question marks. If Beltran and Reyes stay healthy, if Bay holds up, if Wright hits HR’s and Francouer can replicate the 2nd half of 09 then yes, they have a shot. I just don’t think that you can count on all of those variables holding.

The division is really the Phillies and then a couple of teams praying that their patchwork teams hold up and perform at very high levels.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

2B offense isnt really a weakness if he hits anything close to what he did last season. And i totally expect Murphy to continue to progress, not stay the same. I also believe Francouer won’t be as bad as he was with ATL. This is all with prospects knocking on the door at these positions, Thole, FMart, and Davis. haha, wright didn’t forget how to hit HRs, he tinkered with his approach/swing.

The Phillies aren’t without question marks.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

The only people out there that were clear upgrades to the rotation were Lackey and Sheets. Both cost too much.

5 years 5 months ago

Nobody said they had intentions of signing anyone at first base. We are questioning whether their plan (which they had all along) to go with Murphy is smart compared to free agent possibilities. You believe it is smart, some others don’t. I am also questioning their decision to sign no one for the rotation. You liked it, I did not. If they have a good rotation in 2010, you and the Mets were right.

Russell210
5 years 5 months ago

Holy cow are 90% of the posters on this blog going through PMS?

What the hell do you mean “got anything else”? You didn’t even respond to anything I said. You didn’t answer how 1B isn’t a strength, you just said they were waiting for someone. You ignore the fact that the 2 catchers you are talking about are 1 unproven guy and a guy who can’t hit for the life of him. When you have Reyes running around with thyroid issues and Beltran out for the first month YOU NEED OFFENSE.

I’ll sit back and enjoy the fact that you ignored their rotation. Though I’d love to hear an argument for Maine, Pelfrey and Perez.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

Not all positions need to be a strength. Murphy was above average at 1B defensively and progressed from June on. Which of Blanco and Bajaras is unproven? The thyroid issue is treatable, chances are it will have zero effect on anything.

What about the rotation? Just because last year was a hiccup doesn’t mean they are all crap all of a sudden.

Russell210
5 years 5 months ago

I agree with the first statement. However, the loss of Delgado (though a non-factor last year) really sapped them of power and they need a replacement. Wrights digression really hurts but MAYBE he will turn it around. The Mets, as constructed, are one injury away from falling off the grid again. A loss of Wright, Santana, or KRod would cripple the team. That is why having Murphy at first, Barajas at home, combined with Beltran and Reyes injured hurts them. You believe Reyes will come back fine, OK. But to me a guy who missed an entire year, gets linked with that HGH doctor (not insinuating anything), then has Thyroid issues, comes with questions.

The problem with the rotation is just what you said, last year was crap. But Pelfrey hasn’t shown any consistency, Oliver Perez is still a head case, and Maine fell apart long before last year.

Counting on a lot of bounce-backs here.

5 years 5 months ago

“the loss of Delgado…they need a replacement.” Maybe like Jason Bay?

The thyroid issue would have nothing to do with hGH (trust me, I’m a doctor), and unless you have information the FBI doesn’t, it’s is a non-issue.

Russell210
5 years 5 months ago

A doctor! Could I ask you a medical question since my phony doctor keeps subscribing me ear medication.

I have 3 problems I am wondering if they tie into something…
1) Lower back pain… 2 lumps to the right of my spine on my lower back (feel like tightened muscles).
2) Popping in the back of my neck when i move it up in the cerebral area right by the tip of the spine (which tends to lead to motion sickness)
3) Benign vertigo when I lay down and stare straight up.

Probably not the best place to discuss this but I take any advice I can get.

5 years 5 months ago

Benign vertigo when you look up? Benign Positional Vertigo is usually induced when you move your head. Do you have it when you look up after having moved quickly? Other than the medicines they’ve given you, have they tried any of the techniques that may be used to “reset” your body’s positional sense? Unfortunately, all of the things we use to treat this have less than ideal effectiveness, and even when we do everything right, short of surgery which has significant risks and is usually only done when this is very severe and intractable, we often have trouble curing this. I would imagine that your doctor probably gave you an anti-cholinergic medication, but these are usually only effective in lessening the severity of a bad attack and don’t help so much in preventing them.

Obviously, over the internet, my advice is limited, but if you’ve really worked at getting this taken care of and nothing seems to work, you might consider seeing someone who specializes in Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment. I went to an Osteopathic school after the experience my mom had with OMT fixing some chronic problems she had in her lower back and hips. Someone who specializes in OMT will assess your neck, back, extremities, etc., and may be able to use manipulative therapy to correct any structural abnormalities that may be there. If your doctor has tried to use other things to fix this and nothing seems to work, it could be a neuro-musculo-skeletal issue that is affecting your body’s conduction of the sensations rather than an inner-ear issue. I can by no means give any guarantees, but if it’s something really bugging you and it won’t go away, you can find someone near you who does it, and your insurance will pay for it, it’s worth a shot.

Russell210
5 years 5 months ago

Wow, very good information! Benign Position Vertigo is what they called it, though I experience it often without movement, just staring straight up no matter what the position. I get a rush that makes me dizzy and I find it impossible to hold my head in that position. It doesn’t bother me when I sleep because I can just keep my head to the side. Even at a slightly elevated position on a pillow it isn’t as severe. And I make sure to keep off rides that go upside down but even things like limo rides and sitting in the backseat of a car for a prolonged period induce some sort of sickness… but I find those instances are more common with everyone.

I will definitely look for an OMT as the symptoms appear to have gotten a little worse. It doesn’t help sitting here at a desk for 8 hours staring at a computer screen, which seems to irritate me and I need to force myself to get up more often. Resetting my bodies positional sense is interesting as well. I really should take my girlfriend up on her yoga classes! Thank you so much for the advice. I completely understand your advice over the internet is limited but even what you told me here is more substantial than what my doctor said in person.

balonius
5 years 5 months ago

Doc, you should contact the mets with some more medical advice — I know they can use it.

5 years 5 months ago

ill be the first to agree… we are counting on a lot of bounce backs… did you see our team last year? I went to a game and got injured watching!!

as for the team this year… our line up

reyes
castillo
beltran
bay
wright
francoeur
murphy
barajas
Pitcher

and lets assume that murphy his his projected .274/.328/.429… can you tell me how thats bad from the 7 hole? not to mention i anticipate him playing better than that.. also ike davis is tearing it up this year! look at his ST stat line.. .524/.583/.952 in 21 ABs… chris carter (who i hope makes the team over jacobs) has rediculous numbers this year in st… but a smaller sample size.. 3 HRs in 8 ABs.. he has always raked in the minors but never really had a position.

btw.. Fernando Martinez’s line is nearly identical to Davis’s and Thole is hitting well also…

Now i agree with the rotation… it needs help

Russell210
5 years 5 months ago

You shouldn’t take too much stock in Spring Training stats. To say someone is tearing it up in 21 AB’s is really saying nothing. Brian Schneider could look like Joe Mauer in 21 AB’s. And again, 8 AB’s for Carter.

The problem here is that about half of the lineup you are looking at in the first month is: Murphy, Gary Matthews, Barajas, Pitcher. And that is if Francouer doesn’t regress OBP-wise back below 300.

On offense it comes down to avoiding injury. With Beltran out (as is getting common), the Mets can’t afford to lose Wright or Bay. Neither can they afford to lose Santana or KRod.

Realistically, not many teams could afford a loss like that. But the problem is, the teams the Mets are up against are much deeper and can sustain inevitable injuries.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

For 1B, it was always Murphy until Davis is ready. They never had any intentions of signing anyone. At catcher they have 2 very good defensive guys, which is most important from that position with Thole almost ready. The OF D is being overstated.

And the only time the backend failed them was last season, it was always the bullpen that failed them. got anything else?

DGrit
5 years 5 months ago

They went for defense with some limited power at catcher, basically an upgrade over last year’s tandem, while wisely committing limited dollars (what would you say if they had wasted $5 million on Molina for likely the same numbers?).

I agree with jaydh that they were convinced that staying with Murphy with Ike Davis possibly less than a year away made sense. I cannot fault that.

As I see it, the biggest question is the rotation staying healthy. The Mets did not do a great job this winter but they weren’t horrible either.

DGrit
5 years 5 months ago

They went for defense with some limited power at catcher, basically an upgrade over last year’s tandem, while wisely committing limited dollars (what would you say if they had wasted $5 million on Molina for likely the same numbers?).

I agree with jaydh that they were convinced that staying with Murphy with Ike Davis possibly less than a year away made sense. I cannot fault that.

As I see it, the biggest question is the rotation staying healthy. The Mets did not do a great job this winter but they weren’t horrible either.

seanrw421
5 years 5 months ago

Francour covers a lot of ground, and has a cannon… what are you talking about?

Russell210
5 years 5 months ago

I disagree. First base solidifies the whole infield (look at what Tex did for the Yankees). And the catcher is one of the most important positions. They have NOBODY at catcher, and their first baseman is a guy who could go south in a hurry.

Their defense in the OF makes one cringe with Bay and Francouer covering no ground. And they have the same back rotation that has failed them for a while now.

Their bullpen is a plus though…

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

Only the media thinks the mets came into the offseason needing a 1B. The Mets have internal options at 1B and never had any intentions of signing one. Basically they solved their need at LF, C, bullpen, bench.

Fogg was never brought in to compete for the 5spot. The 5spot is between Niese, Nieve, and Takahashi.

And why would the Mets bid more aggresively for Pineiro, he is garbage. And its debatable whether Garland is better than anything in the top 4. You arent going to pay a SP 5mil to be your #5.

I hate Omar, but the Mets had a pretty good offseason considering how weak FA was. Only the clueless media thinks otherwise.

LittleOtterPaws
5 years 5 months ago

I like the mike jacobs signing, it provided them some depth should daniel murphy prove to be a fluke or have a tough sophmore season, mike can add power off the bench as well, something they seemingly lost in carlos delgado. Little known fact, and a little ironic, mike jacobs was traded to the marlins a few years ago for carlos delgado, the marlins replaced delgado with jacobs, and now (pending the most likely outcome of delgado hitting off the bench) the mets replaced delgado with jacobs.

LittleOtterPaws
5 years 5 months ago

and no im not counting the 49 games he played in ny in 2008, im talking full seasons

LittleOtterPaws
5 years 5 months ago

and no im not counting the 49 games he played in ny in 2008, im talking full seasons

$1529282
5 years 5 months ago

If Daniel Murphy proves to be a fluke or has a sophomore slump? The guy posted a 95 OPS+ last year as a first baseman. He can’t prove to be a fluke or have a sophomore slump because he hasn’t established himself as anything yet.

The Mets better hope Ike Davis is ready quickly.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

Murph was a rookie. He got better as the season progressed. He will be solid.

bjsguess
5 years 5 months ago

He got better … I guess.

His OPS by month showed that he had 1 month where he eclipsed the 800 mark (September – 888). His July and August were 715 and 741 respectively. A more accurate statement was that Murphy went from awful to below average to one great month of above average. His amazing September was fueled by an unlikely power spike (his Sept SLG % was 150 points higher than ANY OTHER month of the year).

So, which is the real Murphy? The guy who posted an OPS over 850 for one month last year OR the guy who posted a sub 750 OPS for the remainder of the year + a career minor league track record that shows an OPS of below 800 in over 1000 PAs. I’ll stick with the projections which show Murphy to be about 10% below LA in offensive production.

jaydh
5 years 5 months ago

Murph was a rookie. He got better as the season progressed. He will be solid.

$1529282
5 years 5 months ago

If Daniel Murphy proves to be a fluke or has a sophomore slump? The guy posted a 95 OPS+ last year as a first baseman. He can’t prove to be a fluke or have a sophomore slump because he hasn’t established himself as anything yet.

The Mets better hope Ike Davis is ready quickly.

attgig
5 years 5 months ago

Jacobs? I don’t understand this at all. They just got Chris Carter from the redsox for wagner at the end of last year. Jacbos/Carter are both power guys who don’t hit well and can’t play the field. why do you waste your money on getting two of the same guys?

LittleOtterPaws
5 years 5 months ago

I like the mike jacobs signing, it provided them some depth should daniel murphy prove to be a fluke or have a tough sophmore season, mike can add power off the bench as well, something they seemingly lost in carlos delgado. Little known fact, and a little ironic, mike jacobs was traded to the marlins a few years ago for carlos delgado, the marlins replaced delgado with jacobs, and now (pending the most likely outcome of delgado hitting off the bench) the mets replaced delgado with jacobs.

5 years 5 months ago

The 2010 Mets, not good enough to win it all, but not as bad as advertised.

ryno5580
5 years 5 months ago

This is probably the most intelligent and level-headed comment on here. Good work by you.

jakec77
5 years 5 months ago

I would have said “probably” not good enough to win it all, but not as bad as advertised, but otherwise I am in complete agreement.

The reasons I leave the possibility of contention:
1) while on paper they are definitely behind the Phillies, if you stack them up against every other NL team, they don’t look so bad. Everyone has holes.
2) one of the big question marks is the bullpen, and that’s not a bad thing- because the question could very well end up answered positively. Would it be shocking if Rodriguez was the best closer in the NL this year? Setting him up, while their is certainly no sure things, there are plenty of arms fighting for roles who could do well.
3) they are a NY team, meaning that, unlike say Florida, if they are in contention come late June, they will find the money to pick up players. I will expect in that scenario they will get a pitcher to slot in behind Johan, and let’s face it, that changes everyone’s perception of this team, if they had a legitimate #2, no one would be complaining about Pelfry, Perez, Maine, and Niese as 3-6.

ReverendBlack
5 years 5 months ago

at all*

Spirit of '69
5 years 5 months ago

The Mets have earned all the crapola that gets dumped on them, and I say that as a lifelong Met fan. As for this past off-season, the Bay signing was excellent and should pay many dividends but the other glaring need was an upgrade to the rotation. I reject the notion that aside from Lackey and Sheets there were no other options. Some teams are willing to trade top prospects to get front line starting pitching: Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett. The Mets either don’t make those deals or they trade top prospects (like Scott Kazmir) for trash.

One ho-hum offer for a pitcher who won’t waive his no-trade clause (Carlos Zambrano) is not being serious about upgrading the rotation. The Mets are gambling the season on the hope that Pelfrey, Maine and Perez will actually be able to get someone out, and, judging by their performances already in Spring Training (you’d think they might want to make a good impression) only Maine may do well.

And please don’t lecture me about how it’s early in Spring Training. Pelfrey and Perez had all winter to get ready to be impressive this Spring — they had something to prove– and they got lit up by no-names. If Pelfrey pitches well during his next outing he’ll be no different than last year: inconsistent. Perez officially sucks.

This team WASTED TWO WHOLE SEASONS leaving the bullpen unaddressed and it cost them two playoff berths — likely two division titles. Now they’re playing the same game with the rotation. Absolutely inexplicable and completely mind-boggling.

SportsME23
5 years 5 months ago

CF – Carlos Beltran. If he is healthy, a top 5 CF. Agreed?
RF – we have a 25 year old defensive stud. Top 5. Citi Field is big, need defense. Average hitter, but LOTS of potential. A great second half reaching that potential. Hopefully will do it again. Agreed?
LF – Jason Bay. Average defense, great power, great hitter, one of the best. Agreed?

I can’t even keep going, nobody will agree with anything. The Mets suck and always will, right?! Last year they were the joke of baseball… injuries happen, right? The team outright sucks. SI picked them to win the WS last year, but they are all garbage. No prospects, no leadership, no pitching. Krod sucks, Wright is weak, Reyes took HGH. Beltran’s career is over, Murphy belong in the little leagues. Should have signed Jack Parkman as catcher b/c Barajas/Blanco’s defense is irrelevant. Who needs Thole? Stop talking about Jenrry Mejia, he’s not a top 50 rank. SIGN MANNY!!!!!!

You guys will see. I’m leaving this site and coming back in two months when the Mets are in 1st place. I hope you at least admit you’re wrong.

louisg4
5 years 5 months ago

Actually Jason Bay is a below average almost terrible fielder. Francoeur was a stud defensively his rookie year, but his past two years he has been below average. So both outfield corner positions are below average this season. While you’re crying that others are wrong, you just made two false statement about the quality of players you have. Maybe you need to reassess the Mets situation kid.

SportsME23
5 years 5 months ago

I’m sorry you feel that Francoeur didn’t earn his gold glove his 2nd year, I guess you are a better judge of his talent. And yes, he had a terrible year offensively in 2008. Scouts believe he has a top arm in baseball, but you know more than them, too.

Bay has poor range, but doesn’t make a lot of errors. He played on bad knees in his first bad defensive year, and has been playing in Fenway since. Left field in Fenway deflates all defensive metrics, look it up. He is one of three players of all time ever to lead the league in put-outs with no errors. But still, I’m only calling him average. If you want to call him one of the worst outfielders in baseball, fine. Go ahead.

ReverendBlack
5 years 5 months ago

Re: Francouer – A laser rocket arm does not a good outfielder make.

Re: Bay – “He doesn’t make a lot of errors”. Neither will the sign I’m gonna stick in left field, reads “L O L”

R_y_a_n
5 years 5 months ago

Thank you for being a voice of reason.

amuro316
5 years 4 months ago

I’ll enjoy watching the Mets security remove your for your boorish behavior.

louisg4
5 years 5 months ago

You are right Citi Field is big and out field defense is huge. Unfortunately Francoeur was a stud defensively his rookie season and has been below average his past two seasons… Oh and Jason Bay, average defense, are you kidding me, he was been BELOW average defensively his entire career. What Jason Bay have you ever watched play that you make the statement he is average defensively. You need too check out both these players Zone Ratings and then respond that you were wrong in assessing the Mets talent levels and that is the reason no one will agree with you.

amuro316
5 years 4 months ago

So in other words, you want us to watch him play but would rather us look at Zone Ratings? Please make yourself clearer. What would you rather us do? Watch the game, and watch it like actual scouts? Or use a statistical database that isn’t yet fully verified or accepted as the gospel of God? I say we watch the games.

(and before you say it is, I beg to differ; it’s not peer reviewed or evaluated, and is essentially run by non-experts of statistics and mathematics).

wright_is_my_boy
5 years 5 months ago

that was the best comment ive ever read .. thank you

5 years 5 months ago

So here is my logic on saying that Bay will be bad defensively in Citi.

PNC Park Dimensions:
325 LF Line
410 L/CF
-4.32 UZR over a 5 year span.
29 Assists in 5 years to go with 15 Errors.
(Also at a much younger age)

Fenway:
310 LF Line
379 L/CF
23 Assists to go with 4 errors.
-14.7 uzr avg over a shortened 2 year period.

My defense to this is that until a GG caliber player like Beltran comes back and completely remains healthy for the span of Bay’s career, a steady decline is inevitable in his defense. I do not feel that his bat is good enough to carry bad defense. Although he will be surrounded with Wright, Reyes, and Beltran, he had great protection in Boston also.

Although a pole would not account for 15 assists, agreed, you can also argue that it is a well known fact that Manny is horrible defensively and in 2005 he accounted for 17 assists himself. I’m just saying…

amuro316
5 years 4 months ago

I totally agree with your comments, SportsME23! Mets will be fine going into midseason. They’ll pick up a #2 starter at the trade deadline, and suprise alot of people.

And I think that Francouer, if he can put it together, is still the .285 BA, 20 HR, 90 RBI hitter that he was in Atlanta a few years ago.

5 years 5 months ago

I think the thing that everyone always forgets re: the Mets is the fact that if revenue drops across the league in baseball this year the way it has in other sports, teams are going to be looking to dump salaries mid-season. By saving their money not buying crap this offseason, the Mets have put themselves in good position to pick up some good players for less than market value prospect-wise. Will this be enough? I have no idea. Will the Mets be true contenders? Maybe, maybe not. Will they finish over .500 and be in the race for a wild card slot? Absolutely.

attgig
5 years 5 months ago

the question is, can the mets afford it? what kind of money/prospects are we talking about? There were questions about the wilpon’s financial health with madoff, and plus, season ticket holders aren’t renewing… there’s no guarantee that the mets are going to be in a buying mood…

5 years 5 months ago

The Madoff thing I believe was created by the media. It seems from some of the more reliable sources I’ve read that the Wilpons got most if not all of their money back. I can’t argue that season ticket holders aren’t renewing, at this point, but I know Mets fans – while they’re extremely fickle in their attitude toward the team, if this team as it stand wins games and shows any kind of legitimate life, tickets will sell. If that doesn’t happen then the Mets won’t be in a position to be deadline buyers anyway, and we’ll be having legitimate talks of major shakeups and rebuilding.

CaseStreet
5 years 5 months ago

Other than not bringing in another SPer, IMO, the Mets had a good offseason.
-Barajas and Blanco are an improvement over Schneider and Santos.
-Bay replaces Delgado’s bat.
-Francouer seems to be doing better than Church ever did.
-Murphy should improve hitting down in the lineup and Jacobs provides depth.
-Could do worse than GMJ for the 4th or 5th OFer spot.
-A guy like Wright doesn’t just forget how to hit, he’ll be fine.
-Reyes’ legs seem healthy and the thyroid news is a non-issue.

Like I said, I would’ve liked some more depth for the rotation, but that’d mean blocking Niese who seems to be ready or trading an injured Maine, Ollie or Pelfrey. And as Tim notes, the bullpen is a strength, even if Escobar doesn’t pan out.

Unless the rotation is a major failure, I can’t see how a team w/ a lineup of Reyes-Castillo-Wright-Beltran-Bay-Francouer-Murphy-Barajas is a third place team.

attgig
5 years 5 months ago

when it’ll be more like Pagan-Murphy-Reyes-Wright-Bay-Francouer-Barajas-Castillo, things don’t look as good.
Murphy has no business hitting high up in the lineup, but Jerry has a huge mancrush on him for some reason.

And it’s obvious the phillies have the strongest lineup in the east. and braves/marlins lineups aren’t that much worse than the mets…..so, yeah… they may have a third place, or even a fourth place team again…

CaseStreet
5 years 5 months ago

Not sure where you get the idea Murphy will bat second. link to nj.com

“Manuel said Friday he would like to have Reyes start the season batting third, with Angel Pagan or Luis Castillo replacing him in the leadoff spot.”

The Braves and Marlins lineups can’t sniff the Mets lineup.

R_y_a_n
5 years 5 months ago

That lineup would be terrible after Bay.

CaseStreet
5 years 5 months ago

Not many teams have great 6-8 hitters.

attgig
5 years 5 months ago

speaking as a mets fan,
#1: I think mets fan in general have a bigger martyr complex than any other fan. they think everyone is against the mets, and thus, most defensive about the mets (imo). I see it in the mets forums and message board i’m involved in. maybe it happens everywhere else too, but personally, it’s a little annoying.
#2 I’m hopeful (as should any fan of any mlb team be in march), but know that there’s TONS of question marks coming into the season.

imo, the bay signing was a good signing considering what was available out there.
the musical chairs they’ll be playing at the catcher position is understandable for defensive pourposes.
However, I have a hard time with Murphy, and the pitching staff, which were bigger question marks from the beginning. the starters from 2-5 were horribly inconsistent. you can’t just write off 2009 and say they had a blip in their careers and they’ll be fine this year. maybe they will be, but, that’s a LOT of question marks. But at the same time, you can’t trade them away and just sell when they’re at their lowest value. But that said, should they have paid 80+ to lackey? would piniero really be someone worth spending money on considering the defense?

and as for 1b… they should never have put so much hope in murphy in 09. but because of the amount of playing time he got (he would’ve gotten just as much even without injuries) and the eggs omar put on him, they can’t just cut him lose already.

In the end, I’m really looking forward to this season and next winter, because so much will become apparent. at the end of the season, there will be plenty of front line starters to go after (instead of JUST lackey), 1bmen to trade for (AGon?), and maybe even a catcher to sign (Mauer). only one year of castillo’s contract left that if they want, they can get rid of him, and time that some prospects are ready to prove themselves.

Spirit of '69
5 years 5 months ago

I agree the Mets could be in a position to substantially improve mid-season, but after the last three seasons there really is no margin. They need to be better from the opening gun, they need to hustle and keep their heads in these games, they need to throw strikes, and for God’s sake, they need to hold leads and finish games.

I’m willing to write of last season, the injuries were ridiculous. But the rotation was a huge glaring need and they did nothing to it. I think Pelfrey should’ve been packaged to a smaller market team for a proven pitcher. I think Perez should be cut.

Spirit of '69
5 years 5 months ago

Just to show that I’m not all negative, I do see some good signs. I think Barajas may prove to be a pleasant surprise given what we signed him for. If Fernando Martinez stays healthy and continues to perform he could make a significant contribution, and Mejia needs more minor league innings but could be really special. If he’s dusting minor leaguers bring him up mid-season and see if he can help the bullpen. Ike Davis can hit, question is can he field.

The rap against the Mets’ prospects appears premature and part of the inevitable piling on. These guys look good.

5 years 5 months ago

At least Omar did not make any incredibly stupid moves this offseason, like giving Luis Castillo a huge contract or trading an all-star caliber reliever for a guy who washed out of baseball in less than a year (Bell for Johnson). It was a pretty conservative offseason. Okay, the Cora contract was pretty stupid, especially when you could have had Felipe Lopez and his 50 extra-base hits for the same price, but by Omar’s admittedly low standards the offseason wasn’t the disaster some are making it out to be.

The first few months of the season should tell the story for the team. If they can hold their own and stay above .500 for a few months, they could conceivably improve the team from within (Ike Davis, Fernando Martinez, Josh Thole) or trade some of those guys or their better lower-level prospects (Jennry Mejia, Wilmer Flores, Brad Holt) to fill whatever holes that arise. If they stink out of the gate, I imagine Omar will be fired and a new GM will probably be brought in to commence some sort of rebuilding process.

Unfortunately, that new GM will probably be Wayne Krivsky, whose GM record is a mixed bag at best. Hey, nobody ever said it was gonna be easy being a Mets fan

5 years 5 months ago

At least Omar did not make any incredibly stupid moves this offseason, like giving Luis Castillo a huge contract or trading an all-star caliber reliever for a guy who washed out of baseball in less than a year (Bell for Johnson). It was a pretty conservative offseason. Okay, the Cora contract was pretty stupid, especially when you could have had Felipe Lopez and his 50 extra-base hits for the same price, but by Omar’s admittedly low standards the offseason wasn’t the disaster some are making it out to be.

The first few months of the season should tell the story for the team. If they can hold their own and stay above .500 for a few months, they could conceivably improve the team from within (Ike Davis, Fernando Martinez, Josh Thole) or trade some of those guys or their better lower-level prospects (Jennry Mejia, Wilmer Flores, Brad Holt) to fill whatever holes that arise. If they stink out of the gate, I imagine Omar will be fired and a new GM will probably be brought in to commence some sort of rebuilding process.

Unfortunately, that new GM will probably be Wayne Krivsky, whose GM record is a mixed bag at best. Hey, nobody ever said it was gonna be easy being a Mets fan.

5 years 5 months ago

completely agree, except Jerry Mejia is going nowhere.

5 years 5 months ago

the braves have middle-relief issues and a closer pushing 40 who has been injured 3 years in a row..

if wags goes down….the braves are automatically in 4th place

5 years 5 months ago

while i don’t think we can call the offseason a success, i don’t understand how people think this team won’t be a wild-card contender. i know about all the question marks, but the lineup is not bad, and if perez and maine can stay healthy the rotation won’t be as terrible as people think.

5 years 5 months ago

but the points people are really missing here are:
a) the last year or so on bay’s contract may be shaky, but unlike the last few years omar didn’t hand out any contracts that are really going to kill us. thus, the mets are in position to make a splash mid-season this year. and if theyre somewhat in contention, and the rotation is a bust again this year, i can easily see omar trading for a frontline starter.
b) sure there may be holes in the lineup at C, 1B, and RF, but the mets have some pretty decent prospects ready to step in if not this year, then next. if franceour and murphy truly can’t hit, i look forward to seeing what davis and martinez can do given consistent playing time in the bigs. i know fmart has had injury problems, but so did reyes when he was first coming up. people always talk about the mets prospects being overhyped, but i truly believe the next crop (davis, martinez, meija, and niese specifically) are a little underhyped but a lot of people right now.
truth is, nobody knows what will happen. but as of right now, im pretty optimistic about this season.

formerdraftpick
5 years 5 months ago

Daniel Murphy might need to look at his backdoor, Ike Davis is knocking with a very impressive spring training. He also leads all players right now in AB’s. I like IKE. Livingston and Pridie are great acqs. as well. Livingston looked good for the Pirates AAA club. I wonder why they didn’t bring him up?