Baseball Blogs Weigh In: Garza, Pierzynski, Padres

Eleven years ago today, Fernando Tatis became the first and only player in baseball history to hit two grand slams in one inning. Amazingly, both came off Chan Ho Park, who allowed 11 runs while recording eight outs. Tatis went on to hit .298/.404/.553 with 34 homeruns for the Cardinals that season, easily the best of the big league career. 

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24 Comments on "Baseball Blogs Weigh In: Garza, Pierzynski, Padres"


gocrazy
5 years 4 months ago

The most unbreakable record in baseball.

jtownse9
5 years 4 months ago

how about rickey hendersons all time stolen base record?
or bobby cox all time ejections?
or ripkens iron man streak?

Wes Yee
5 years 4 months ago

The most unbreakable record in baseball is the Johnny Vander Meer’s back to back no hitters. Nobody will ever throw three in a row.

sf55forlife
5 years 4 months ago

the same can be said for hitting three grand slams in the same inning, i would say that is more difficlut. Vander Meer’s feat isn’t really a record as it is a streak.

5 years 4 months ago

The most unbreakable record is Cy Young’s 749 complete games.

danny_duberstein
5 years 4 months ago

i had to read the word “underpaid” about 10 times before i clicked on the link because i just couldn’t believe anyone would make such an argument

TimotheusATL
5 years 4 months ago

That Soriano/Zambrano post is a card-carrying example of just glancing at WAR/Salary figures on Fangraphs without looking at, well, anything else.

5 years 4 months ago

Ha, I didn’t realize they gave out cards for that. Honestly, it’s not an argument that their current contracts are too low or even that any player deserves to be paid according to their Fangraphs page. It’s just a matter of looking at what both guys have been paid throughout their careers thus far and comparing it to an objective (albeit inflated) measurement of how much it would cost to replace those stats through free agency. Over the first 11 years of his career, Soriano made about $4.6 million per year. In the first 7 years of Zambrano’s contract, he made about $8 million per. Over those stretches alone, those guys were paid less than what they were worth.

But I fully concede that will never, ever happen again for either of them.

lug
5 years 4 months ago

Well I hope you didn’t spend too much time on it.

04Forever
5 years 4 months ago

as far as im concerned, an actual obtainable goal that no one will ever match ever again is Joe Dimaggio’s hit streak. that grand slam thing is a cool freak of nature, but it doesnt prove anything about talent. besides, saying you hit two home runs of Park is like saying you hit them off a Tee, especially in 99′

04Forever
5 years 4 months ago

a record should be something you earn from being the most skilled, not from being in the right place at the right time

Drew
5 years 4 months ago

Well, one could certainly argue (especially in the sabermetrics era) that the Yankee Clipper’s amazing hitting streak had SOME luck involved. I wonder what his BABIP was during the streak…

This is NOT to say that it’s not an amazing streak, influenced primarily by skill. Just that every great accomplishment is due in no small part to a good deal of luck too…

sf55forlife
5 years 4 months ago

you could go 1-5 with a single for 56 straight games. sure you have a hit streak but you still suck.

alexchicago14
5 years 4 months ago

what about hitting safely in 56 strait games?

alexchicago14
5 years 4 months ago

my bad, didn’t see 04forever’s comment.

BentoBox
5 years 4 months ago

Well, Zambrano is now the richest set-up man in baseball. (;

5 years 4 months ago

umm i think Cal Ripken’s streak is very very safe.

04Forever
5 years 4 months ago

also very very true

5 years 4 months ago

Ahaha. That article about Zambrano and Soriano is a joke. I could use that same logic to say that Tommy Hanson is underpaid because of how good he was last year, and how little he got for it.

jdub220
5 years 4 months ago

Tommy Hanson IS underpaid. The vast majority of pre-arb players are.

5 years 4 months ago

Exactly. Which justifies my point about that article being dumb.

He takes into account times when EVERY SINGLE GOOD PLAYER is underpaid, and uses it to his advantage.

The only two years Soriano was significantly underpaid were 2006 and 2007.

5 years 4 months ago

Vernon Wells is underpaid, too!

He’s been worth $76.3MM, and has only been paid $21.6MM since 2002.

5 years 4 months ago

Surely using this logic, the loaded A-Rod couldn’t be underpaid, could he? SURE HE COULD.

Since 2002, he has been worth $208.9MM, and has only been paid $164.4MM.

That article is trash.

5 years 4 months ago

Actually, he’s been paid $25.5 million just in signing bonus money over the last three years, the last installment of which he just collected this March. But you obviously haven’t been able to make the distinction between what he WILL be paid and what he HAS been paid or even bothered to notice that the 2009 player salaries don’t even show up on fangraphs yet. Had you done either, you’d see that Vernon Wells has not yet begun to be overpaid on the whole and that it will all change when his $12.5 million salary will double next year (BTW: it was $1.5 million last year . . . it’s a VERY weird contract).

Also, on the A-Rod comment, if you had done just a little bit more checking, you would have seen that fangraphs is missing about $35 million of A-Rod income from his 2009 salary and the initial $2 million portion of the signing bonus. So his actual income and the value his production would pull (and has pulled) on the free-agent market is pretty much even.

You have to realize the whole point was to help Cub fans realize they’re overlooking a lot of Soriano and Zambrano’s contributions to the team, not to justify the contracts in their entirety. Too many people revel in the wins brought by pre-arb players and the first few years of backloaded contracts and then whine like babies when it comes time to pay up.

But hey, thanks for reading nonetheless.