Gammons On Snyder, Ramos, Martinez, Ortiz

Peter Gammons made his weekly appearance on WEEI’s Big Show today, and as always, dished about some possible Red Sox moves.  Ethan Landy has the full transcript available, but here are some of the more interesting tidbits…

  • In regards to the Chris Snyder trade rumors, Gammons said the Sox would be hesitant about paying the catcher the rest of the $4.75MM he’s owed for this season and the $5.75MM owed for 2011.  Gammons said the Red Sox would prefer to spend that money on “a big piece” at the trade deadline.
  • Gammons tabs Minnesota prospect Wilson Ramos as “probably the best [catcher] in the minor leagues that might be traded,” though he thinks a deal is a longshot since the Twins would ask for Daniel Bard or Clay Buchholz in return. A few weeks ago, MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes looked at what the Twins might do with Ramos.
  • Should Boston pick up another catcher, of course, that would leave Victor Martinez out of a position what with Kevin Youkilis at first and Adrian Beltre at third.  Gammons points out that the Sox would face a tough decision about what to do with “three DH’s on the roster,” counting Martinez along with David Ortiz and Mike Lowell
  • Gammons reiterated a past point about how catching prospect Mark Wagner may have more value to Boston than Ortiz at this stage, given Wagner’s defensive skills and Ortiz’s struggles at the plate.  Though, as Gammons notes, they set this team up to get offense out of catcher and DH, so that is a tough change in direction without a real answer.”


17 Responses to Gammons On Snyder, Ramos, Martinez, Ortiz Leave a Reply

  1. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    maybe they can trade detroit for gerald laird. offensive liability? maybe. but has gold glove defense

  2. nhlegend 5 years ago

    Laird will be a free agent after this season and he is a Scott Boras client. I don’t think that they should give up on Ortiz just yet, but I’d only give him until early May. The Red Sox cannot afford to fall back too much more. If Victor Martinez does not improve behind the plate and if taking most of the catching duty is hurting his offense, then the Sox would have to release Ortiz to move Victor to DH/1B/(C for NL games).

    Maybe Kurt Suzuki can be pried away from Oakland if they start tanking. They have to extend his contract after this season, they may not want to pay him what he can get through arbitration and he is great behind the plate.

  3. How good is Ryan Doumit behind the plate? If he can do a decent job throwing out baserunners, he should draw intrest from the Red Sox.

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      better than v-mart. I’d say he’s average at best but maybe that’s just because I barelysee him at full strength since he is always hurt

  4. Yankee_Baal 5 years ago

    I think Boston should acquire Adrian Gonzalez, no matter the cost. Then trade Beltre and a couple of C-Level pitching prospects to the Twins for Perkins and use him to get a good defensive catcher (maybe Snyder). Then, after A-Gon is on 1B, either release or trade both Ortiz and Lowell for anything, retire Varitek and make him special coach for the rest of the season and, finally, promote Mark Wagner to be the backup catcher.

  5. johnsilver 5 years ago

    The fix is so easy and simple, yet Epstein will not make the move. Dump ortiz and call up Wagner as a defensive/strong throwing defensive specialist and take a chance on him being nothing more than a Varitek equivalent of the last 1 1/2 seasons with the bat. he may even surprise with it.

    No need to make a far sighted move on another team’s (Twins) prospect, not when they already have their own 3 best catching prospects raking early at High A and AA ball. Another 1 1/2, maybe 2 years and one should be ready and all seem to be able to hit, with 2 of them having well better than average arms and both good on defensive, beside good power.

    No waiting on Lowell’s bat to come around, it WILL be there and other than 1 season long ago with the Fish, has never left.

  6. Mike Mark Sopp 5 years ago

    i’d love to know why Beltre and 3rd base was mentioned in connection with Martinez. There is an urban legend going around the internet that Martinez was a middle infielder with the Indians before he was converted to catcher. This, like most urban legends, is a lie. Martinez was a shortstop – as a 17 year old. As soon as he signed with the Indians he was converted to catcher.

    His future is a 1b/dh though, and when the Red Sox got him i thought he would be Ortiz’ replacement.

    • Beltre was mentioned because if he wasn’t there, Youkilis could move to 3B and Martinez could go to 1B.

  7. ZeroZeroZero 5 years ago

    The whole Victor Martinez situation really brings to light how baseball is covered across the league. I dont think anybody ever thought of Victor Martinez as Johnny Bench, Tony Pena, or Ivan Rodriguez behind the plate when he was in Cleveland but I would think that most people would think he was at least adequate. Now that people outside of the local Cleveland media are playing attention we can see that he cant defensively perform at a MLB level at all.
    With his hitting in the toilet as well I think hes going to have a tough time finding a good contract once he hits free agency after this year.

  8. ZeroZeroZero 5 years ago

    The whole Victor Martinez situation really brings to light how baseball is covered across the league. I dont think anybody ever thought of Victor Martinez as Johnny Bench, Tony Pena, or Ivan Rodriguez behind the plate when he was in Cleveland but I would think that most people would think he was at least adequate. Now that people outside of the local Cleveland media are playing attention we can see that he cant defensively perform at a MLB level at all.
    With his hitting in the toilet as well I think hes going to have a tough time finding a good contract once he hits free agency after this year.

  9. ELPinchy 5 years ago

    and get over loving players past their prime.

  10. nhlegend 5 years ago

    Hopefully jondogg1985 removed his post because he finally listened to the Gammons interview.

  11. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    Yeah, and trading Bard would effectively cripple an already shaky bullpen.

  12. johnsilver 5 years ago

    Was looking at ML stats through 1st 13 games or so earlier and Exp and fed-x were both over .300. Those 2 and Lavarnway were the 3 whom i meant, not the non prospect Butler and Lavarnway is defensively challenged, but does have the best bat of the bunch by a good margin.

    Like you said..it is early and all of those are the better hitting catching prospects that they have, but why on earth they would move Bard and Bucholz for a AAA type catching prospect, even if labeled “can’t miss” with 3 at least good catching prospects of their own when they might need 1, or even both of them for a bat seems kind of strange.

  13. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    Why would we trade our Buchholz, who, by the way, looked fantastic last outing with 10 K’s, PLUS another strong prospect such as Bard or Reddick for a AAA catching prospect? I mean, sure, Martinez is not playing well back there. But he’s not so bad that we need to start throwing away good talent. Ramos is completely unproven. Buchholz is beginning to really show that he can be a major league ace, and Bard is good enough to close for any other team that doesn’t have Paps or Mo. Yes, a defensive catcher is a need. But it’s not as big of a need that we should throw away talent like that. I was on the fence about rumors of moving Buchholz for AGon. And that’s proven talent right there. That’s the kind of guy you trade players like Buch for.

    Besides, give it a week or so, but it looks like Ortiz may turn this slump around sooner than last year. If so, it makes it a lot harder for Epstein to bench or release him in order to move Martinez over and then bring in a new catcher. I see a LOT of drills in V-Marts future, as they try to get his throwing ability at least back up to average.

  14. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    Why would we trade our Buchholz, who, by the way, looked fantastic last outing with 10 K’s, PLUS another strong prospect such as Bard or Reddick for a AAA catching prospect? I mean, sure, Martinez is not playing well back there. But he’s not so bad that we need to start throwing away good talent. Ramos is completely unproven. Buchholz is beginning to really show that he can be a major league ace, and Bard is good enough to close for any other team that doesn’t have Paps or Mo. Yes, a defensive catcher is a need. But it’s not as big of a need that we should throw away talent like that. I was on the fence about rumors of moving Buchholz for AGon. And that’s proven talent right there. That’s the kind of guy you trade players like Buch for.

    Besides, give it a week or so, but it looks like Ortiz may turn this slump around sooner than last year. If so, it makes it a lot harder for Epstein to bench or release him in order to move Martinez over and then bring in a new catcher. I see a LOT of drills in V-Marts future, as they try to get his throwing ability at least back up to average.

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