Asking Price For Scott Downs

8:02pm: The Blue Jays are asking the Mets for a top prospect in exchange for Downs according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (via Twitter). The Twins have assigned a scout to watch the Blue Jays' relievers, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.

7:48am: Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos has the best reliever available in Scott Downs, and he knows it.  Check out these asking prices for two months of Downs' services, courtesy of George A. King III of the New York Post: Joba Chamberlain or Jesus Montero from the Yankees, Casey Kelly or Jose Iglesias from the Red Sox (Montero link from SI's Jon Heyman via Twitter).  With almost 80 hours remaining until the trade deadline, it doesn't hurt to ask.

Other teams are also trying to buy low on Chamberlain, who sports a 5.95 ERA, 10.0 K/9, and 3.6 BB/9 in 42.3 relief innings this year.  The Diamondbacks also tried to get Chamberlain as part of a Dan Haren deal.  Joba is under team control through 2013 and arbitration-eligible for the first time after this season.

Regarding the Yankees' search for a bench bat, King says they've spoken to the Orioles about Ty Wigginton.  The O's are dangling Miguel Tejada, who's generated only lukewarm interest from the Yanks.  Tejada is said to be the Phillies' primary infield target.  As for a Yankees-Orioles deal, SI's Jon Heyman tweeted two days ago that O's owner Peter Angelos doesn't want to trade with his division rival.


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249 Comments on "Asking Price For Scott Downs"


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philpbarnes
4 years 11 months ago

Kelly or Iglesias?

Id rather just put Bill Hall in the BP than trade one of those two for a relief pitcher.

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CSPACED25
4 years 11 months ago

NO kidding and Joba from the Yanks??? Downs is having a good year but c’mon talk about waisting other team’s time!

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johnsmith4
4 years 11 months ago

Hey…don’t through this “waisting other team’s time” at us when they are the ones who came to the Jays about their interest in Downs…the Jays didn’t come to them…

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Mick_Stepp
4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, it’s an over-reach but don’t start acting like Joba’s the second coming. He’s not worth as much as you think.

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Joba is an unkown on any other team. He has a long way to go to become a reliable MLB pitcher.

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4 years 11 months ago

He was the second coming before the Yankees tried to make him into a SP and screwed him up completely … If I were the Yankees, I’d trade him…

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Dont forget, the Jays packaged up 2 prospects with a veteran for Escobar. I imagine if they could convince the Bosox to give up Kelly, it would include veterans for the stretch drive AND a prospect going to Boston. And Downs will be worth a minimum of 2 draft picks (likely a supplemental pick and a second round pick; likely wont be signed by a top 15 team for fear of giving up a 1st round pick). Bosox love their high draft picks.

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mattchu12
4 years 11 months ago

I thought I was crazy about offering Eduardo Nunez. . . . .Joba isn’t even on the table for a reliever not named Joakim Soria as far as I’m concerned.

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jimithin9
4 years 11 months ago

Scott Downsyndrome is nothing special. “Let me trade my average middle reliever for your top ace pitching prospect!” Sounds like that fantasy baseball owner that just doesn’t get it…

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grant77
4 years 11 months ago

Average middle reliever or best LH reliever for the past 4 years in the midst of a stellar season?

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woadude
4 years 11 months ago

He is not the best, dont be delusional..he is the best one AVAILABLE FOR TRADE..meaning if you want a good bullpen arm, he is the best AVAILABLE…Kelly and Iglesias are not available for a bullpen arm… Iglesias is a defensive wizard with really soft hands and only has to develop american culture like not celebrating when he hits a home run…and Kelly has so much promise its unreal….Downs will not get it done for any of those guys…get real

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johnsmith4
4 years 11 months ago

AA doesn’t need to trade Downs….However, these teams need a quality 8th inning reliever. So, if they don’t make it worth AA’s while, why should he trade Downs. If they want Downs….then they have to make AA want to trade Downs.

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dc21892
4 years 11 months ago

Actually considering his age and what AA is trying to do, he does. He’s trying to rebuild. You don’t do that with 35 year old RP. As for asking for Kelley or Iglesias, that’s good for him to see if the teams are that desparate, but I have faith in Theo that he won’t give up a blue chip prospect for an aging BP arm who’s having a nice year. And Joba from the Yanks? Come on. Joba isn’t having the best year, but he’s so young and the potential is there.

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Parkes
4 years 11 months ago

The point that you’re missing is that if the Jays keep Downs, they still get two draft picks assuming that they offer him arb and he declines. So, no, AA doesn’t have to trade Downs at all.

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woadude
4 years 11 months ago

enjoy your draft pick compensation

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woadude
4 years 11 months ago

enjoy your draft pick compensation…all i have to say

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jimithin9
4 years 11 months ago

yeah…eric gagne was great and in the middle of a stellar season when we got him too. and downs has a 3.80 career era // 1.37 career whip? thrilling.

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4 years 11 months ago

I hear career numbers are all that matters. Seriously. Look at his stats. Notice a pattern? His ERA is high every year he was used as a starter. Every year he’s been used properly as a reliever (which he’s obviously being traded as) he’s been stellar.

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Average Middle Reliever? Who are you kidding? You should watch some baseball games before voicing your opinion — rotohead.

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ju1ced
4 years 11 months ago

Always great when someone who doesn’t watch baseball gives their two cents.

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

Downs is a good reliever; but if the sox give up either of those players i will no longer be watching their games every night.

As a Sox fan i would rather them save the prospects and go with the bullpen they have. I know how unreliable the pen has been for the Sox thus far, but two months of Scott Downs is not worth the SS of the future or the best pitching prospect in your system.

I would rather finish third and not go to the playoffs then give up that much talent for Downs.

Leo Nunez? maybe, Scott Downs for 2 months? No way in hell

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johnsmith4
4 years 11 months ago

I agree with your assessment….but…at the same time…if I am AA….I am not interested in trading Downs if I am just going to get marginal players. After all, it isn’t AA’s job to help the Sox make the playoffs or help the Yanks win the series….unless…they make it worth his while.

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

I couldn’t agree more, it’s not in the Blue Jays’ best interest to give Downs away for 80 cents on the dollar. But if that’s the asking price (and i think we all know that’s very far fetched) I would kindly wish them luck in 4th place with no shot now or in the future.

I would be shocked if the Jays actually get a prospect with that level of talent for Downs. Can’t blame them for starting the conversations way over their heads in value, but it’s just not feasible. Maybe if the cubs were in contention they would give up a player like that for a rental like Downs; but a well run org like the Yankees or Sox will not do it in a million years.

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adameb
4 years 11 months ago

Don’t forget that its not just 2 months Downs; its also 2 picks you get since he’s type A.

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

I’m well aware of the rules of signing a type A free agent.

I also don’t believe that a team that has an unprotected pick will be willing to give that pick up to sign a middle reliever. He’s a good player, but this is similar to the Juan Cruz situation: Cruz was a type A and was offered arbitration, nobody wanted to give up a pick so nobody signed him and the team didn’t get any picks.

I agree that Downs is better than Cruz, but when he was a type A nobody wanted to sign him b/c they didn’t want to give the kind of money he was looking for PLUS a pick for a middle reliever.

So you’re taking a gamble here; you give away a good player for a middle reliever. You might get a top pick if someone with an unprotected pick signs him; but you may also get stuck with overpaying him for next year if he accepts it. He may also be signed by a team with a protected pick, and he may also be signed by a team that signs a higher ranked type A as well as Downs.

There are alot more variables than just “2 picks since he’s a type A.”

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4 years 11 months ago

Actually, the Royals signed Cruz and the Dbacks DID get picks, but Cruz is a horrible comp. Downs has a much better track record than Juan Cruz and the added bonus of being a lefty who can get righties out.

And I don’t get the constant posting on this board that it’s somehow a bad thing if Downs decides to accept arbitration. What wrong with a stellar late inning lefty on a one year deal? Since he’s not a closer or coming off a large deal he won’t get a ton of money (like the $8M for Soriano last year).

And even if one of the picks is a comp pick and the other is a 2nd rounder (in what is projected to be a VERY good draft), it’s still better than taking some crappy C prospect package full of guys that might be marginal contributors at the big league level.

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

he is making 4 million this yr and as a veteran with his numbers he will easily net 6 at least.

there’s a lot wrong with that in my opinoin.

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adameb
4 years 11 months ago

I definitely can’t argue with your logic, but as you said Cruz was notably different.

2 solid RHP years in NL West vs 4 solid LHP years in AL East. (And 3 of Downs 4 year were better than either of Cruz’s)
Cruz had given up 12 HR in those 2 years/110 IP, and Downs 12 HR in those 4 years 220 IP

I guess time will tell what he’s going to yield, but to paraphrase, ‘Winning now costs prospects; how many games do you want to win?”

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woadude
4 years 11 months ago

dont forget he would have to decline arb, which is a gamble…which they won with Billy Wagner and lightning doesnt strike twice

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Dude, he is a Type A Free Agent at the end of the season OR the Red Sox would resign him.

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

Dude, i don’t care what he is; he’s a middle reliever and Casey Kelly is the best pitching prospect in the org and Iglesias is (hopefully) the SS of the future.

and see my answer to adameb about the type A bs… it doesn’t necessarily mean what you think it means.. especially when you’re talking middle relievers (who will be looking for 3 year deals in the 15 to 18 million range.)

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Dude, there is no “thinking”. It is what it is. He will be a Type A Free Agent if he declines Arbitration, and as such, the Blue Jays will be compensated with a supplemental first round pick, AND, a first, second, third or fourth round pick from the signing team. There is not a winning team in baseball that wouldn’t be willing to sacrifice a second, third or forth round pick for such a reliable pitcher.

First round? I agree, i dont think any teams will want to do that.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 11 months ago

Did you just hear what you said?

“There is not a winning team in baseball that wouldn’t be willing to sacrifice a second, third or forth round pick for such a reliable pitcher.

First round? I agree, i dont think any teams will want to do that”.

Any team that is a “winning team” probably would have to give up a 1st rnd pick to sign Downs unless they sign an additional FA that year as well ranked higher.

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Exactly.

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Burnett cost a 3rd Round pick, as i recall.

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

Yes b/c the Yankees spent a half billion dollars that off season and decided to sign 3 of the top type A’s.

another ridiculous, unreliable and less likely than a blue moon example

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Arent you guys signing Cliff Lee this winter?

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

so you would be ok with having Downs for 2 months a pick in the 30’s range of next year’s draft and a pick in the 40’s or 50’s of the same draft for Casey kelly or Iglesias???

Thank god you’re not running the team..

and he’s 34 years old so a team that is wanting to sign him will have to give up the pick and sign an aging middle reliever to a contract that would be quite a risk in my opinion. I will agree that he is a good reliable pitcher; but he’s 34, will be looking for 3 guaranteed years on the open market and if he doesn’t get that he may accept arbitration. If that were to happen he could end up making 6 to 7 million next year.

So in the Red Sox case; if he accepted arb they would be paying Papelbon, Downs, Okajima and Ramirez (all assuming reasonable arbitration raises) 25 million or close to it.

For any team, small or large market; that is insanity

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

(1) What if he is the difference in making the playoffs and winning a WS?
(2) Would you trade Kelly for Downs and Bucholz and another pick? Dont forget how well the Bosox draft. Those picks have significant value to a team like Boston.
(3) He wouldnt make more than $5.5mm in arb, and will NOT accept arb, as he will land a multi-year deal. This is his last contract.

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ronny9
4 years 11 months ago

so you picked one of the better supplemental picks in the last few years by any team. The sox do draft well; but they are not going to hit the lottery with a pick in the 30’s every time. therefore it is impossible and ridiculous to ask me if i would trade Kelly for Downs and Bucholz plus another pick.

It’s just as accurate to ask me if i would trade Kelly for two months of Downs and 2 guys nobody will ever know the names of bc there are tons of those examples as well.

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jeffdg
4 years 11 months ago

Ok, same trade but with Ranaudo (or Brentz) and Workman along with Downs?

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dc21892
4 years 11 months ago

I agree. But I don’t think Theo is that dumb. He knows what he can get for those prospects. Fielder or AGon in the offseason if he wanted. Or we can just keep them and hope they pan out.

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Zeppelin5083
4 years 11 months ago

Lol Pete Angelos not wanting to trade within the division. YOUR TEAM BLOWS! Rebuild anyway you can!

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PujolsHollidayWestbrook
4 years 11 months ago

I was thinking the same thing. “Division rival” HA!!! Wigginton and Tejada will be LONG gone from either team by time (if ever) the Orioles are “division rivals” of the Yankees again.

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bbxxj
4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, its not like Wigginton and/or Tejada will be superstars for the Yankees who will haunt the O’s for years to come in divisional games. Both would be backups and Tejada is gone by the end of the year anyways.

I could maybe understand not wanting to send Tejada there because it would be like getting a team legend like Glavine back after a long time away and then a few months later trading him to the Phils. But Ty? I cant see the emotional connection there.

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mstrchef13
4 years 11 months ago

Heyman is a moron. His “source” is probably Rosenthal who hates Angelos with a passion going back to his days with the Baltimore Sun as a beat writer. Angelos is one of the smartest people on the planet. For starters, it is unlikely that he would think that way; if he can upgrade the team by making a deal with the Yankees, he would do so. Wigginton is a free agent at the end of the season whom the Yanks would be unlikely to resign, so no harm done since this season is a wash. Secondly, even in the unlikely event that Angelos did think this way, he would NEVER be stupid enough to say so publicly to anyone. So for Heyman to report it means either he made it up, he got the information from someone who made it up, or once again a sportswriter for a major national entity is passing off his opinion as fact.

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mstrchef13
4 years 11 months ago

Heyman is a moron. His “source” is probably Rosenthal who hates Angelos with a passion going back to his days with the Baltimore Sun as a beat writer. Angelos is one of the smartest people on the planet. For starters, it is unlikely that he would think that way; if he can upgrade the team by making a deal with the Yankees, he would do so. Wigginton is a free agent at the end of the season whom the Yanks would be unlikely to resign, so no harm done since this season is a wash. Secondly, even in the unlikely event that Angelos did think this way, he would NEVER be stupid enough to say so publicly to anyone. So for Heyman to report it means either he made it up, he got the information from someone who made it up, or once again a sportswriter for a major national entity is passing off his opinion as fact.