Odds & Ends: Brewers, Red Sox, Werth, Gonzalez

Exactly one year ago, the Marlins signed Brendan Donnelly and the A's traded for Scott Hairston. Here are some links to check out today…


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  1. cargo is in the top 15 already

  2. Kitfisto007 5 years ago

    Top 10? I don’t think so. Good and getting better, but average baserunning ability and poor patience and discipline. Maybe he’ll crack it within the next couple of years.

  3. dawgpaddlez 5 years ago

    his overall statistical ability..pretty sure i agree with zack D

    • gigantes2425 5 years ago

      i think everybody whose not a rockies fan thinks you and zack D are crazy.

      • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

        I’m not a Rockies fan in particular, and I really like Carlos. Maybe not next year, but if he stays healthy, he’s got a lot of potential. He plays hard… the right way in my opinion

        • gigantes2425 5 years ago

          if he stays healthy he does have a lot of potential you can add him to the list of every other baseball player. i’m not denying that he’s good cause i think he is but the article says next year. that’s not going to happen.

  4. mowses 5 years ago

    If he would have said 10 best NL outfielders, then maybe. But 10 best NL players? Doubt it. He currently ranks 47th in WAR for NL position players and 35 in wOBA if I counted correctly. Average fielding, average baserunning and poor plate discipline won’t do him any favors.

    • dawgpaddlez 5 years ago

      oh shoot, youre right, i thought we were only talking outfielders..it is difficult to put him in top 10 of overall NL players..

    • name ten players better than him next year

      • bringbackericthered 5 years ago

        Joey Votto
        Albert Pujols
        Adrian Gonzalez
        Chase Utley
        Han-Ram
        Andre Ethier
        Josh Hamilton
        David Wright
        A-Rod
        Mauer

        • Kitfisto007 5 years ago

          Kevin Youkilis
          Ryan Zimmerman
          Justin Morneau
          Prince Fielder
          Pablo Sandoval
          Ichiro Suzuki
          Kendry Morales
          Dustin Pedroia
          Ryan Howard
          and on and on…

        • Since when did Josh Hamilton, A-Rod and Mauer play in the NL? But as far as the overall point, yeah he’s not going to be top 10..but that’s not to say he isn’t a great player already.

      • BravesRed 5 years ago

        Prado, McCann, Heyward, Lincecum, Halladay, Hart, J. Johnson, Jurrjens, T. Hudson, Rollins, Victorino, Leake, Holliday, Jimenez, Tulowitzki, Cain, and more.

        • Tulo isnt better than Carlos G but ok…

          • BravesRed 5 years ago

            Tulo is a top-5 player and CG isn’t even in the top-30 in all of MLB. Keep telling that to yourself.

          • BentoBox 5 years ago

            Uh yes Tulo is better than CarGo. This shouldn’t even be a question. Why is everyone in love with Carlos Gonzalez all of a sudden ?

            Tulo’s WAR
            2007 – 5.4
            2008 – 0.9
            2009 – 5.7
            2010 – 2.6

            Cargo’s WAR
            2008 – 0.9
            2009 – 2.1
            2010 – 1.4

        • Corey Hart is better than Carlos Gonzalez??…no…just no. Neither is Victorino,mcann,leake, and an argument can be made for heyward…

          • BravesRed 5 years ago

            Looking at all the major stats, and not including Leake, they all outnumber Gonzalez. So, to call him better than all them makes your statement false. You can look up the stats if you want, since i’m lazy right now to type them out.

      • BentoBox 5 years ago

        I’ll take a stab
        Hanley
        Braun
        Zimmerman
        Wright
        Tulo
        Pujols
        Votto
        Braun
        Kemp
        Holliday

      • fpz 5 years ago

        In the NL

  5. whatever you all think about carlos gonzalez we already know that billy beane regrets what he did

  6. icedrake523 5 years ago

    Infante should be traded so Ryan Zimmerman can replace him on the All-Star Team.

    • baseball52 5 years ago

      It’s a crime he and Votto didn’t make it.

      • souldrummer 5 years ago

        Matt Capps getting picked by the players is the accomplice to the crime. Because the players picked Matt Capps, the Nats had one representative. If they didn’t have that one representative, Manuel has to choose a representative for the Nats who is likely Zimmerman (although Josh Willingham might have been worthier) and Infante gets left off. Plus picking Matt Capps removes flexibility from the manager to pick Billy Wagner, a lefty out of the pen who is a better reliever.

        Matt Capps, about average closer, all-star assassin.

      • jdub220 5 years ago

        And Josh Willingham.
        But the biggest is that OMAR INFANTE made the team.
        As Charles Barkley would say, “That’s turrable!”

  7. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Off topic, but is anyone else seeing the political ads on this site? Tim, I have great respect for what you do on your site but I didn’t like the scientology ads when they were on an I don’t like the political ads now. I come to a site like this to get away from politics and cults masquerading as religion.

    • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

      You need an ad-blocker. I would go insane (er) without one.

  8. ykw 5 years ago

    I can totally understand Infante’s confusion. If I were him, I wouldn’t have expected anyone to tell me I was named an All-Star, either — a subpar offensive season (even for him) marred by significant injury time, a brutal season of infield defense relieved only by occasional plus-work in the OF, and I’m going to Anaheim? Don’t think so. (Even the plays-lotsa-positions excuse doesn’t hold; they already took Omar’s teammate Martin Prado for that.)

    • No. They took Prado because he leads the NL in hitting and has the most hits in all of baseball. Prado is the best active 2nd baseman in the NL at this point in time – that’s why he made it.

      • ykw 5 years ago

        I mean, Prado is capable of playing all over the infield and was already an All-Star reserve, so the NL PTBs didn’t need to take another utility guy (and certainly didn’t need to take =that= utility guy).

  9. Problem with these young outfielders like J Upton and Carlos Gonzalez is that they are inconsistent, hack-and-slash approach, and plate discipline issues makes them volatile and more prone to streaks. You just don’t know what you are going to get with them from a week to week basis.

    • Threat_Level_RedSox 5 years ago

      You have to give them some credit though, starteing in the majors at such a young age can really effect the learning curve, it could also be argued that being put in the majors so early might have effected how much better they might have been right know, Would ryan braun have been any better if started in the majors at 22 and not 24?. Probally not.

      Any way they are doing pretty well given the added pressure of being young guys in the bigs, does any one else remeber how some people were floating arould that Delmon young was a dud who could’nt live up to the hype? just look at the season he’s haveing know at the ripe ould age of 24.

    • jdub220 5 years ago

      Upton is inconsistent, but he doesn’t really have plate discipline issues.
      He has a .350 OBP, and that’s while being pretty bad (for his talent and previous production) for the majority of the season so far.

  10. Seems like Omar Infante didn’t even think Omar Infante was an all-star

  11. rocks4life 5 years ago

    I think that you can’t understand cargo’s ability until you watch the amount of games that he has played. Since the middle of last year he has been one of the most productive players in the league. Looking at his stats up to this point in his career do not tell the full of his potential. First off… cargo is possibly the BEST defensive outfielder in the game 2day. He makes tough catches look easy, and never misplays balls. Not to mention his rocket arm. Like everyone mentioned b4 the one thing he can improve upon is his approach to hitting. He is at times to aggressive. but as far as the person who compared him to justin upton… he still hits the ball hard every time he gets to the plate. He can hit it to all fields with power and he has top shelf speed. Once he gains just a little more maturity he will become an NL MVP (unless voters decide that colorado players are still not allowed to win awards because of the prestige of coors field, and instead they give mvp honors to players in phili where my grandma could hit one out). Just watch and by next year he will be hitting over .323 35 home runs 130 rbi and 30 steals

  12. So my question to all the haters outside the rocky mountain region…have any of you SEEN a Rockies game? Have you watched him play on a regular basis? My bet is on probably not, unless you have a baseball package with your satellite/cable provider the only Rockies action you see is on Baseball Tonight..since it is a given that only the Yankees, Red Sox, and Stephen Strausberg exist in the baseball universe take some time to watch this kid play on a regular basis NOW and you’ll see a legit 5 tool player. It is about time a mid market club and its players got some recognition for playing the game the right way.

  13. windycitywarrior 5 years ago

    How about Paul Konerko getting snubbed? He paced all of baseball in home runs! Has an almost .300 average and is tied at the top for HR’s! He has more home runs than any of Joe Girardi’s Yankees! Not quite sure why he was passed over. Even if you are not a Chicago White Sox fan, for the validity of this all star farce, please vote for Paulie to make it as the last member. There will be plenty more for Youkilis and Swisher and all the others but P.K. deserves it more than just about any player on there. He homered the White Sox into an 11 game winning streak. How is that not All Star caliber?

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      I agree, Konerko has had a great season. However, the 1B position is stacked in the AL. Morneau and Cabrera have have absolutely phenomenal seasons, andeven with the home runs, they are better. Youkilis is next, and besides slim leads in home runs and RBIs, Youk beats him in nearly every other offensive category. He also is a much more respected defensive player. So, I think he’s fourth on the 1B depth chart for the AL team, and just barely misses the cut.

  14. AisoRed 5 years ago

    Giants are interested in Braun? Sure, everyone is interested in Braun. No one will get the face of our franchise though, sorry.

    • invader3k 5 years ago

      Yeah, not sure what Schulman was smoking on that one. Fielder and Hart available? Probably. Braun? Hell no.

    • 55saveslives 5 years ago

      As a Giants fan, Schulman is a tool! Braun would cost us Lincecum PLUS Posey.

  15. $1529282 5 years ago

    Braun is a “potential target?” Add him to the list next to Longoria, Mauer, Pujols, Strasburg, and Heyward, just to name a few.

    What a stupid comment from Schulman.

  16. I_Like_Baseball 5 years ago

    That’s the knock off Ryan Braun link you have attached, I’m looking for the real Ryan Braun

  17. I think Sabean said Braun but is really in the hunt for Fielder/Hart

    • AisoRed 5 years ago

      “scouting potential trade targets Corey Hart, Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun”To even mention that in an article is stupid to be honest.

      Don’t get me wrong, Hart and Fielder are likely to be traded at some point but Braun is untouchable.

    • slr5607 5 years ago

      If we want Braun we need to be willing to give up Tim Lincecum and possibly a prospect swap will need to be involved. Not saying I wouldn’t trade Lincecum for Braun, but that is the reality of the situation.

  18. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    Uhh, I am no Brewers fan but are they seriously going to consider trading Braun?

    • AisoRed 5 years ago

      No.

    • losingfaithinmightymelvin 5 years ago

      There is no chance the Brewers even think about trading Braun. He’s signed for an absolute steal of a contract until 2015 I believe. These reporters need to do their homework before they come up with these rediculous “trade rumors”.

  19. ramiro magana 5 years ago

    I would give up masturbating if we got Braun lol, I’d be happy with Prince though, but of course the player I don’t want (Hart) is probably who the giants will get, and brewers will get Zachary wheeler + a few others.

    • ThePaulCrew 5 years ago

      i think they are gonna want something thats a little more of a sure thing than wheeler.. hart will be a bit cheaper, so wheeler and some guys could get it done.. to get fielder, they are gonna have to pony up more than a guy at low A ball.. im guessing they’ll center a deal around bumgarner

  20. JCTGiants 5 years ago

    Corey Hart is not a proven hitter. Prince Fielder is. I can see the Giants signing him at least 3 years. I am excited.

  21. Sf_415Giantsbaby 5 years ago

    Lol we’ll get Braun only in our dreams…

  22. blackandorangepride 5 years ago

    I really hope we don’t get Hart he has another Aaron Rowand written all over him. If you don’t believe me both Rowand and Hart have similar stats rowand’s career best in homers was in 07 when he hit 27 with the Phillies who play in a hitter’s ballpark, Hart has a career best of 24 also in a hitters ballpark this is just a career year. Even a moron like Sabean has to realize that Hart is not the answer to our need and he should learn from the Aaron Rowand bust of a signing that he should get Fielder immediately. Fielder is indeed a proven hitter but what I like most about him is that he rakes at AT&T and right now it is the best time to get him because last offseason we would’ve had to trade Cain and some prospects now we can trade Sanchez along Clayton Tanner,Waldis Joaquin or Kevin Pucetas to go with him now is definitely the best time to grab him if he doesn’t get Fielder the season is over if he does that gives the lineup a huge boost and the rest of the team a shot in the arm. We aren’t out of it yet our division is still tight if the Giants get Prince who knows maybe the playoff run will give Fielder more motivation to play better.

    • AisoRed 5 years ago

      If you think we’d give up Prince for less than he’s worth when he is hot, you are mistaken. We would wait as long as we need to get the package we think he is worth. If we don’t get it, we wait until next year.

      • blackandorangepride 5 years ago

        nah I don’t think we’re giving up less than he’s worth I’m just saying he isn’t as expensive as he was last offseason where matt cain would’ve been part of the deal along with at least 3 or 4 other prospects now we don’t have to risk losing a good chunk of the farm thats all I’m saying. he will get his worth though

  23. rainyperez 5 years ago

    I think the Giants acquire Fielder because of his tremendous power and he’s still relatively young so his power output can only increase. Plus he would wreck havoc on that right field wall. The only thing I worried about as a Giants fan is the Sandoval and Fielder combination would probably be the heaviest 3-4 hitters in the league lol. But I suspect if we acquire both of them they will work hard to cut their weight for next season. Yes I think Sandoval will be the 3 hitter of the future and I think he’s going to have a monster 2nd half this year.

  24. BentoBox 5 years ago

    Andre Torres ?

  25. youd rather have

    mike stanton
    jay bruce
    tyler colvin
    hunter pence

    over carlos gonzalez?

    LOL

    those guys have plate disciplines much worse than carlos gonzalez and aren’t even five-tool players. please

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