Odds & Ends: Donnelly, Guillen, Mets, Red Sox

Links for Monday, as we congratulate Matt Garza for throwing the first no-hitter in Rays history…

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  1. aap212 5 years ago

    The Mets will wait to add necessary pieces and see other teams get better and leave them in the dust. *Sigh*

    • They’re 6 out in the WC, and 7.5 out in the division. They’ve already been left in the dust.

      The only thing to hope for at this point is mass change, but seeing that a 2-9 road trip which essentially eliminated them from playoff contention didn’t even get the hitting coach fired, I’m not holding my breath.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        Totally agree. I sort of meant they already waited too long. Of course, I still don’t see what Howard Johnson has contributed so grandly to the team’s failures. He didn’t build the roster or hire Jerry Manuel. You can’t blame him for Frenchy’s inability to hit.

        • soxin10 5 years ago

          Frenchy’s inability to hit is historically consistent. Even his “career” year in 2006 with 29 homers was a sub .450 slugging and sub .750 OPS. his career line 269/310/446 .737 OPS is only slightly better than his current performance. The question is what were the Mets hoping for, Ryan Church numbers 265/335/430 OPS .767?

          • aap212 5 years ago

            Exactly! Most of the lineup has performed as well or better than you could have expected. Unless HoJo has been kicking Jason Bay in the nuts before every game, the onus for the Mets offense falls on Minaya.

          • Zack23 5 years ago

            Wait, so that 50 game sample after the trade last year wasn’t the new Frenchy? Shocking

      • Just_MLB 5 years ago

        in the extra inning game vs the dodgers…the mets had a 5 pitch inning vs. jeff weaver followed by a 9 pitch inning vs. the next reliever…clayton kershaw afer the last game said his approach was dictated by the fact that the mets swing AT ANYTHING….as usual the brown guy gets the blame…lets not look at the hitting instructor…face it, if it wasnt for Hojo’s popularity as a player, he would’ve been gone a long time ago

  2. CitizenSnips 5 years ago

    Now I’m not the typical Chicken Little Mets fan but dear god does something need to change. That performance on this recent away trip was pitiful.

  3. andrewyf 5 years ago

    “but would consider trading relievers Ramon Ramirez and Manny Delcarmen”

    How big of them. I’m sure most teams would love to unload below-average relievers onto other teams as well.

    • ELPinchy 5 years ago

      I assume it would be in some type of package.

    • The Red Sox are just trying to do whatever they can to improve their bullpen. Both Ramirez and Delcarmen are players with good potential and players that teams have been after for the last few years. If these guys pitched in the NL they would probably be pretty good. Ramirez has already proven he can pitch in the AL and even had a really good year last year for the Sox, he’s just giving up to many home runs this year. And Delcarmen has actually had two good years for the Sox.

      • Zack23 5 years ago

        “Ramirez has already proven he can pitch in the AL and even had a really good year last year for the Sox”

        4.46 FIP and 5.90 xFIP is really good for a reliever?

        “And Delcarmen has actually had two good years for the Sox.”

        And Delcarmen has had two bad years since the two good years. Not to mention increasing BB9, decreasing K9, and decreasing velocity.

        • Tell me what’s the most important statistic for a pitcher…it’s ERA right??? Statistically speaking Ramirez has only had one bad year back in ’07 with the Rockies. This year hasn’t been bad, it’s just been below average. And apparently you missed it when I said that these pitchers would probably do much better in the NL since that works out more times than not with pitchers. Both are still relatively young and have potential, they can still be good pitchers as shown before. And besides those stats that you said are stats like UZR that dont mean anything because the formula is so retarded on how to get it that people dont look at it that often.

          • andrewyf 5 years ago

            “Tell me what’s the most important statistic for a pitcher…it’s ERA right???”

            This is a joke, right? ERA is one of the least useful statistics for predicting future performance, from a reliever especially. The past two years Ramirez has pitched to a K/BB ratio below 2, which is pretty poor. He probably could be a useful reliever in the NL, like most relievers in the AL today. That doesn’t actually make him valuable, especially because you’re going to be paying him multiple millions of dollars in arbitration. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see the Sox non-tender him at the end of this year.

          • Two things: I never said he was very valuable but he does has some value and I never said that ERA predicts future performance. Because you never know whats going to happen, he could come out next year and be one of the best relievers in the game or one of the worst or right in between. All I said is that he could possibly do well in the future but that wasn’t related to his ERA. It’s the fact that he is still relatively young with potential and a couple of good years in his career. Ultimately what’s more important…how many runs a pitcher allows or how many strikeouts he has over walks?

          • Zack23 5 years ago

            “Tell me what’s the most important statistic for a pitcher…it’s ERA right???”No, it’s not, especially not for a reliever. A reliever can have 2-3 bad outings and basically mess up their ERA for the whole season, that’s why it’s misleading.”stats like UZR that dont mean anything because the formula is so retarded”Can you recite the formula for ERA without looking it up? Does that make it ‘retarded’? When you type it out it’s multiplication and division, does that make it too complicated and ‘retarded’?

          • Zack23 5 years ago

            Instead of just calling it ‘retarded’, why dont you read the reasons why people choose to use FIP over ERA.

            link to saberlibrary.com

          • Once again whats more important to a pitcher FIP or allowing runs. A player who has a lower ERA and higher FIP is valued more than a player who has a higher ERA and a lower FIP. They earn more and more has to be given up to get them. And why is it that I have to know the formula without looking. I’d be willing to bet that almost no one can tell you the formula without looking if anyone can. The link at the bottom shows how it is calculated and it’s another formula that doesnt make much sense, the fact that a field is split up into 78 zones and 64 are used for UZR. And just like FIP it has a stupid x13 in it and at the end you need to add a 3.20 which makes absolutely no sense. ERA may be misleading but what matters the most for a pitcher is how many runs they give up, not how they may potentially pitch which is what FIP tells you because FIP can be wrong because it can’t look into the future and tell you how a pitcher is going to pitch, it can give you a good idea of what a pitcher should be doing or is likely going to do but doesn’t say what he is doing or what he will be doing. A pitcher may all of the sudden be one of the better pitchers in the MLB because something just clicked or he could be one of the worst pitchers in the MLB because something just goes wrong. I’d take a person on my team with a 5 or 6 FIP that had an ERA under 3 or 2. He may cause some stress but as long as he got the job done (which is not allowing runs) is all that matters.

            link to sports.yahoo.com

  4. TVGugs 5 years ago

    I like Ramirez and Delcarmen on a personal level, but right now trading them would constitute helping the bullpen whether or not we got a reliever in return.

    • Delcarman and Ryan Kalish for Matt Lindstrom take it and run

      • ArmchairGM 5 years ago

        Kalish would never be traded for a middle reliever, particularly one with a 7.85/3.23 K/BB, 83% LOB and a 3.7xFIP. Never ever.

      • Kalish would be a centerpiece of an Oswalt trade. I know it’s tough down there in Houston, being that the team is in shambles and, well, you’re in Texas, but get real.

        • andrewyf 5 years ago

          “Kalish would be a centerpiece of an Oswalt trade.”

          Yeah…no. Kalish has a chance to be an average corner outfielder. In no way is he going to be a centerpiece of any deal involving a guy who’s atop the trade market. Can we please stop vastly overrating Red Sox prospects? Let’s remember what happened to Brandon Moss, Michael Bowden, Lars Anderson and Josh ‘JJ’ Reddick, all of whom have at one time been touted as potential ‘centerpieces’ for deals involving very good players.

          Plus, the Red Sox would have to deal away Dice-K to even have room in their rotation for Oswalt. Don’t take that as evidence that they have an elite rotation – they don’t – they just have a couple of mediocre too-expensive-to-put-in-the-bullpen options that they would never be able to trade away.

          • Ian_Smell 5 years ago

            Brandon Moss, don’t remind me.

          • andrewyf 5 years ago

            I was told on here that Moss would *definitely* be an above-average major league outfielder for the next 6 years. I will give you that Kalish is undoubtedly a better prospect than Moss ever was (Moss struck out a ridiculous amount), but that’s a pretty low bar.

          • Devern Hansack 5 years ago

            I enjoy how you conveniently fail to mention Lester, Youkilis, Buchholz, and Pedroia…those four definitely were not “overrated.”

            Bowden and Reddick are 23 and Anderson is 22. I don’t recall Moss ever being hyped.

          • LOL @ your entire post, opinion and usefulness.

  5. Mario Saavedra 5 years ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Minaya is planning on adding some latin-american coaches. Juan Gonzalez or Sammy Sosa maybe?

    • Gumby65 5 years ago

      The mere mental image of watching Sammy Sosa flashing signs from the 3rd base box with that silly grin on his mug is enough to say that this will never happen.

    • Oh, because Minaya favors Latinos. Haha. How bigoted, nonsensical and ignorant of you.

      • Mario Saavedra 5 years ago

        He does. why else would he pay 2+ Millions for Alex Cora?

    • Yeah I would add those guys too…If I was building a softball team.

  6. fishfan4life 5 years ago

    Figures Bobby V doesn’t wanna manage the Marlins anymore…way to go Loria, you really had it all figured out from start when you fired Fredi.

  7. johnsilver 5 years ago

    Please explain to me why in the world Boston needs a starter, especially an overpriced one? Boston has a decent (at worst) rotation now and needs relievers and positional players. the rotation is now healthy and is one of the best around with Beckett back.

    With Lester, Bucholz, Beckett, Lackey, Matsuzaka and Wakefield as #6..Why in the world would they want to give anything up to Houston for Oswalt, plus pay him 16M next year? If they are even thinking of moving a top prospect, imagine it would be for a position they need and not for one they are set at for years to come. They have Doubront at Pawtucket probably ready by next year and Kelly possibly by the end of next year or 2012.

    • andrewyf 5 years ago

      Where does it say Boston is looking for a starter?

      Frankly, unless they make Kelly the centerpiece among several others, I’m not even sure they have the minor league pitching talent to pull off a trade for an arm like Oswalt. Their farm has taken a humongous hit in large part due to very poor performances by many of their prospects. The Westmoreland thing really hurt as well.

      • johnsilver 5 years ago

        Not sure where you get your information from, but it has to be some blog hosted by NYY biased blog. While granted the upper levels of the Sox system is thin, the lower levels is loaded with talent and why the Sox system was consistently ranked in the upper half of all teams in pre season polls and top 10 in many, though granted that was before Westmoreland’s horrible illness.

        Not sure you would call terrible performance by Ryan Lavarnway, Felix Doubrant, kevin Kalish, Jose Iglesias, Luis Exposito, Kyke Weiand, Michael Bowden,Stephen Fife and several others as having dimmed there chances in the prospect status. the only real prospect that has slid is Josh Reddick. If that qualifies as “many of their prospects” or Junichi Tazawa being out for the season and unable to pitch for the season…

      • Andrewyf, I wasn’t going to post…but you’re clearly biased against the Red Sox. Your hatred is spewing in every post you’ve made today. Like johnsilver said, where do you get your information? Johnsilver listed all of the thriving prospects, so I won’t…but really, the Red Sox have the prospects to pull off any trade they wish, so long that they are willing to give up the prospects. Ryan Kalish, Jose Iglesias are probably untouchable.

        But like I said, where do you get your information about the Red Sox farm system? Or are your simply assuming they don’t have the prospects because most of their top prospects are now studs in the majors?

  8. jeffdg 5 years ago

    Jays sign another. Kris Bryant next?

  9. BravesRed 5 years ago

    Congrats. Mr. Garza.

  10. jamesfleming12 5 years ago

    “Jayson Werth – moving

    Roy Oswalt – staying

    Dan Haren – moving”

    Now that you know Dan Haren was dealt, but not to the Phillies, do you stand by the Jayson Werth prediction? What about the Oswalt one?

  11. There’s… no Jays news here? Wha?

    • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

      It was here…..The Blue Jays signed Kellen Sweeney.

  12. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Alright, from 2004-2006 there were 2 no hitters… Johnson’s perfect game and Annibal Sanchez. After the 2006 season so many pundits were asking why there weren’t more no hitters happening with many conclusions stating more hitters were juiced. But this year I think this is now 5 no hitters and 2 were perfect games… and we’re not even in August. So what’s going on, stars aligning or something, sign of the apocalypse?

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      Plus the 28 out perfect game… I just think its a coincedence, happened in 90 too didn’t it. A lot of average pitchers getting them as well

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        Looked up, yeah… didn’t realize 1990 had that many no hitters, also had 2 no hitters on the same day. But I wouldn’t call the pitchers who’ve had no hitters this year average. Jimenez was having an unbelievable stretch when he got his, Halladay is everyone’s guess to have a great game, Jackson has always had the ability to pitch like an ace, and Garza well let’s just say every Twins fan is probably saying “at least Young has finally begun to produce… the only real surprise is Braden. And that said it’s not like one can really predict a no hitter.

  13. HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

    Congrats to Garza, he’s always had great stuff. The year of the no-no!

  14. B DominateD 5 years ago

    Jose Guillen?!? God, Sabean is an absolute gutless buffoon…He’ll overpay for a 34 year old cancerous piece of trash that is just as pathetic as milton bradley….Grow a pair and get a real hitter Sabean…

  15. Cyyoung 5 years ago

    Going into the season with Okijima, DelCarmen, and Ramirez, I knew the Sox were in trouble.

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