Roy Oswalt Rumors: Monday

Roy Oswalt is the best available starter with Dan Haren off the board, though there's no guarantee that the Astros move the righty. He has a substantial contract with a no-trade clause and the Astros are demanding lots in return for their ace. Here is the latest on Oswalt, with new bullets added at the top throughout the day…

  • Oswalt told MLB.com's Brian McTaggart that "location doesn't matter," in case any doubt remained. Earlier today, Oswalt told Bernardo Fallas of the Houston Chronicle that he would accept a deal to the East Coast under the right circumstances. "That’s not an issue," he said.
  • Oswalt will not approve any trade unless the acquiring team picks up his 2012 option, according to Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com (Twitter link). Oswalt would consider deferring money, but he will not accept a deal unless the team trading for him picks up his $16MM option (Twitter link).
  • A source tells Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports that Oswalt does not want to play for the Phillies.
  • ESPN's Jayson Stark says the Astros seek "a young, front-line player off the big-league roster, two high-end prospects and one more prospect" for Oswalt, making a trade far from a sure thing.  Stark contends that Astros owner Drayton McLane will require a return he can brag about.
  • The Cardinals "don’t feel confident in their ability" to acquire Oswalt, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.  The Cards face the added wrinkle of playing in the same division as th Astros.  GM John Mozeliak, speaking in general terms, told Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch "I can't say I'm encouraged" about making a major pitching move.
  • The Phillies could acquire Oswalt without moving Jayson Werth, writes MLB.com's Todd Zolecki.  Morosi feels that the Phillies represent "one of the more viable landing spots for Oswalt." 


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158 Comments on "Roy Oswalt Rumors: Monday"


DarthVader87
5 years 8 days ago

So, how do they keep Werth and get Oswalt? I didn’t see that explained anywhere in there.

Sophist4
5 years 8 days ago

It’s all about $$$. They have the prospects to make a trade without trading Werth, the question is whether or not ownership wants to ship off cheap future production for current market value production without replenishing the system. This is exactly what motivated the Lee-Mariners trade, and probably why a “companion” deal is in contemplation now.

The good news for FO is that the Phils current talent is mostly in low A ball, so they’re farther from the big leagues than those moved for Lee and Doc (Colvin, the best pitching prospect of the bunch was an 09 draft, as was Singleton who’s just raking in SAL). A good draft could replenish their talent as well as a Werth move.

That, and the Haren deal may have lowered Oswalt’s value despite the dip in elite pitcher supply.

nm344
5 years 8 days ago

They can get Oswalt for Happ and a few lesser prospects (Rizzotti perhaps, who’s killing AA). Also Cosart is a better prospect than Colvin.

Sophist4
5 years 8 days ago

Right, but this doesn’t address my point. Just with Happ you’re trading a league average cost-controlled starter. They have the talent to do it, but ownership may balk at the payroll implications (not 2010’s). This team has very little young, pre-arb talent, which is why Brown’s success so so crucial. The key will be doing it without giving up the d’Arnaud’s and Drabek’s of the world (not many in the current system, which was what I said above, since they don’t have talent of that caliber at higher levels). If they can do it with Rizzoti/Bastardotypes, they should. But they need to hold onto their young position and SP prospects to minimize future payroll.

malcolmec
5 years 8 days ago

Well Happ has actually been very successful in his short major league career. People often point to his peripherals as a sign that he isn’t likely to be a sub-3 ERA pitcher his whole career, but a lot of GMs don’t pay a whole lot of attention to that stuff. Given Happ’s W-L record and low ERA, I could see a couple of GMs considering him a young, front line player.

Sophist4
5 years 8 days ago

Iif Phils FO views the non – xFIP/SIERA Happ, they’d be even less likely to move him. My point is that, considering the Lee companion move and the financial structure of the system, Philadelphia is unlikely to give up much talent like Happ/Ramirez/Colvin/May etc.. Happ is valuable to them even as a league average starter (which his peripherals indicate), and would only be more so if they believed he actually could sustain a mid-3 ERA (unlikely). I wasn’t saying Happ has no trade value, just saying that the Phils may not make this move even though they clearly have enough pieces to do so.

Abraham Zapruder
5 years 8 days ago

Please, no Oswalt unless he is obtained for less than Haren was obtained for. He is worth less than Haren.

DarthVader87
5 years 8 days ago

I completely agree, the sad part is that it’s not so much the talent that is making me agree. It’s that contract. That is a hard contract to move. I think a team that gets Oswalt will get a quality pitcher who can last another extension. The bad part is that contract it cripples you.

rayking
5 years 8 days ago

Less than what Haren was obtained for?! Hard to imagine what that would be, the D’Backs were thoroughly fleeced in that trade. I’m not sure that you can use that trade as a barometer.

theydizneyboy
5 years 8 days ago

The Phillies have a nice group of players in Lakewood (Low A) who seem to be attractive to other organizations. Still, I’m not sure how you’d be able to get Oswalt without some major league ready talent– talent that would be received in a Jayson Werth trade. Unless I’m missing something, trading JA Happ and some Low A guys for Oswalt doesn’t seem to work.

5 years 8 days ago

Um, the players at the heart of the Angels deal for Haren were single A pitchers (Cobin and Skaggs). Why should the Astros expect to get more advanced talent for the older and more expensive Roy Oswalt?

theydizneyboy
5 years 8 days ago

Yes, Oswalt’s contract appears to be an albatross- but why does that mean Houston will take that into account and expect lesser prospects?

chucktb
5 years 8 days ago

Oswalt commands a high salary, one he may or may not be worth over the next 2+ years. Unless the Astros eat a good chunk of change, they’re not going to get a decent return for Roy.

acerulli77
5 years 8 days ago

Ahh..but you forget how inept the Astros GM is…if Oswalt gets traded, no matter who he goes to, there is a 95% chance the Astros get fleeced in the deal, based solely on Ed Wade’s awful track record.

5 years 8 days ago

Actually Guys,
If the Astros send Roy Oswalt Brandon Lyon and Chia Jen-Lo with the Astros sending 10 million cash to cover Oswalts salary
for
Jayson Werth JA HAPP Jarrod Cosart and Matthew Rozzitto
It would get this deal DONE
Then the Astros could try and Flip JA HAPP and Jayson Werth to fill there needs else where. Or Keep Werth and hope he turns into a Type B or A FA

5 years 8 days ago

I mean think about it If the Astros got this deal today the 26 of July they could push a deal in 5 days that would net them players they could use.

Think About this If the Trade went down: Astros Contact Rays and say Hey we have Jayson Werth Koby Clemens and Tanner Bushue would you be willing to send us Wade Davis Lance Moore and Jake McGee?
Im real sure since everyone thinks Carlos Pena will be gone it would entice the Rays to do this Trade.

aap212
5 years 8 days ago

You’re vastly overestimating how much the Astros would get in either of those exchanges. They wouldn’t get Werth, Happ, and Cosart in the first, and they would never get both Davis and McGee in the second.

ukJaysfan
5 years 8 days ago

Werth is already a Type A Free Agent, according to the Elias rankings posted here today.

Nicolas_C
5 years 7 days ago

As much as it may suck for Astros fans to hear, no one wants Brandon Lyon and his 4.89 xFIP. The ‘Stros are stuck with that awful contract. The Phillies would be paying 5 million a year for 3 years to a 7th or maybe an 8th inning guy.

PhillyPhan11
5 years 8 days ago

I would like to see my hometown team bank in on Oswalt. I would love to see Roy and Roy at the top of the rotation. If the Phils don’t give up Werth, they would have to give up some pretty good prospects and probably J.A. Happ. They have 2 very good outfield prospects and they will replace Werth and Ibanez. John Mayberry Jr. is decent, hes not their best prospect, but he can get the job done. But by some scouts the Phillies have the best prospect in the majors in Dominic Brown. Just about everyone compares him to Darryl Strawberry. But he is faster. And hes already hit 22 home runs this year in AA and AAA combined. Happ was the Phillies best starter last year, maybe their best pitcher on a world series club and he was a rookie. I dont see the phils getting Oswalt but maybe they can get Ted Lilly. But what we really need in philly is a closer like Joakim Soria or Matt Capps.

FPN
5 years 8 days ago

Mayberry still stinks.

PhillyPhan11
5 years 8 days ago

i dont know how good he’ll be, but i still like him as a player

aap212
5 years 8 days ago

When Daryl Strawberry was Domonic Brown’s age, he was already an all-star hitting more home runs in the majors than Brown is in the minors. Let’s not go crazy here.

malcolmec
5 years 8 days ago

Anyone can compare any player to whatever other player he wishes. If I’m not mistaken, Scott Boras once compared J.D. Drew to Mickey Mantle…

aap212
5 years 8 days ago

Well, we’re supposed to be having rational discussion, not working on commission. Brown’s a great prospect, not an all-time great prospect.

PhillyPhan11
5 years 8 days ago

Im just saying, most scouts think hes the best prospect in the league, and he batted Cleanup in the futures game so i’d reckon hes gonna be pretty good. And he beat out a simple grounder to the shortstop in a game this year thats half of what u need to know about him. And i think the 20 or so homeruns in 91 games tell the rest of the story. He’s the real deal. Add 109 hits, 16 stolen bases, and a .585 slugging percentage and ya got yourself a great player.

aap212
5 years 8 days ago

Oh, I won’t argue with what you just said and I think he’s the best prospect in the minors right now. All the more reason not to use hyperbole. He’s not the prospect Strawberry was. That’s not a ding on him.

Muggi
5 years 8 days ago

In Philliesphan’s defense, he didn’t just pick Strawberry out of a hat. Scouts have been quoted using that comparison.

Not saying I agree with it, just noting a probable source.

aap212
5 years 8 days ago

Lee’s off the market. Haren’s off the market. Now please, for the love of God, let Oswalt be traded so that the endless speculation will be done with for all the major starters this year.

oremlk
5 years 8 days ago

My guess based on these reports is that the Astros are seeking Happ, Singleton, Colvin, and a low-end grade C prospect, and the Phillies are balking at including Singleton.

Abraham Zapruder
5 years 8 days ago

Happ, JC Ramirez and maybe Mathieson. Take it or leave it, Wade.

oremlk
5 years 8 days ago

If I’m Ed Wade, I’m passing on any deal without at least one prospect who has high upside. It’s fine if the prospect is far from the majors, but he needs to be a blue chip prospect or have a good chance to become a blue chip prospect in the future.

Ramirez and Mathieson are fringe contributors… a back of the rotation starter and a bullpen arm isn’t going to cut it.

Abraham Zapruder
5 years 8 days ago

Oswalt is owed too much money for 2010+2011. This reduces his value greatly.

oremlk
5 years 8 days ago

True, but we don’t know how much $ Wade is agreeing to put in, if any. The Astros said they would be willing to include cash considerations for the right trade.

PhillyPhan11
5 years 8 days ago

Its JC Romero and the phils have no chace with that offer.

bflaff
5 years 8 days ago

No, it really is JC Ramirez. Landed in the Cliff Lee deal.

Jason Klinger
5 years 8 days ago

After watching Lidge almost implode again today, Phils have to keep Mathieson around as a potential closer. I’d rather give up Singleton, who is blocked by Howard and the long-term deal he just signed.

5 years 7 days ago

youd rather keep a late 20’s reliever whose had 2 tommy john surgeries and lacks a 2nd plus pitch over the best bat left in A ball?

bevothephenom
5 years 8 days ago

honestly i’d rather trade werth…..dominic brown needs to be up in philly

JohnKruksWaistline
5 years 8 days ago

You don’t trade Werth to bring up Domonic Brown in the context the Phillies are set right now. If this was 2000 and the team slogan for the year was “Bring it on!” and us fans were saying “Send it back!” it would make sense to trade Werth. But we’re not, and it doesn’t.

Ed Wade is a bona fide grade-A weenie when it comes to being a GM. We all know this. If Ruben can’t convince him to take a Haren-esque return for Oswalt, he’ll also be a bona fide grade-A weenie, only with a Stanford degree. And, again, when it comes to the context in which the current Phillies team is set, Ruben might look even dumber than Wade could have.

PhillyPhan11
5 years 8 days ago

same here

Guest
5 years 8 days ago

I’m not convinced that Oswalt is moved for less than Haren, especially if it’s to the Cardinals. The Caridinals have to include Shelby Miller on account of they have nothing else worth noting in their system, and they are division rivals w/ the stros. John Jay and Brendan Ryan couldn’t get you Brian Moehler if you wanted him. I could care less who else is in that deal as long as Miller is coming back to Houston

As for Philly…Happ is 27 and doesn’t project any higher than a #3 starter. I wouldn’t exactly call him the centerpiece of a trade…although I do like the kid. If I’m Ed Wade, I’m all over Singleton since the Astros system desperatly needs young power hitters. Singleton, Happ and a low C prospect gets it done for me, with the Astros throwing in some cash

nm344
5 years 8 days ago

Singleton and a couple minor prospects should get it done.

PhillyPhan11
5 years 8 days ago

Singleton?? Cardinals prospect??

nm344
5 years 8 days ago

You’re a Phillies fan. You should know who Jonathan Singleton is, an 18yr old 1st base prospect. Top 50 already

Dylan
5 years 8 days ago

Wow, Singleton is the best Phillies prospect not named Brown. He is considered to be the best 18 year old prospect in the game. A 1b but hopefully moving to the OF next year.

Jason Klinger
5 years 8 days ago

Only problem with going to the OF is speed/athleticism. He’s only 18, 6-6, 215…and growing. He really is tailor-made for 1B.

Dylan
5 years 8 days ago

Two Words: Pat Burrell. 6’4 235 and played left field.

Yankees420
5 years 7 days ago

You forgot to tack on “horribly” to the end of your sentence.

Dylan
5 years 8 days ago

And from what I read he is 6’2 210…..DomBrown is 6’5 200 lbs… So, they are similar in height and weight and also I heard he has been losing weight and improving upon his defense.

Tim Valencia
5 years 8 days ago

ask a WR coach if 6’2 210 and 6’5 200 is the same thing. Also you cant use the Pat Burrell defense when it comes to plausible outfielders

FPN
5 years 8 days ago

Jarred Cosart is ranked higher than Singleton, I believe.

Dylan
5 years 8 days ago

He’s on the DL the rest of the year, I think by next years rankings it will be Dom Brown – Singleton – Cosart – Colvin

FPN
5 years 8 days ago

I think they’re just keeping his innings down so he can play in the Fall. I don’t think what you propose is crazy, however. Some say Colvin could be as good as Cosart. And the funny thing is, if May can ever get his BB’s down, he could be in the same grouping.

Dylan
5 years 8 days ago

Yeah, def. They have a lot of young arms in their system with some promising young A players around 18-20. If they can get a couple more young arms for Werth, they could really be a force for the next 5-10 years as far as pitching goes anyway. I’m still liking a guy like Matt Moore from the Rays for WErth.

5 years 7 days ago

i dont think that singleton quite yet will be ahead of cosart but he def will be in the top 50 next year. hopefully he can make the fast rise like brown and replace raul in two years. i know its a pipe dream for him to make it two years but he has corner OF written all it.

roebirds
5 years 8 days ago

Jon Jay is worth more to the Cardinals, IMO, than Oswalt would be. Ludwick will be expensive in arbitration next year, and the likely Pujols extension will make cutting some (or many) corners necessary. Jay has been very good in the OF and could be a good replacement for Ludwick in 2011, and I think that is a more pressing need than another starter.

My hope is that the Cards go for a #3-type starter, which is what they have an opening for after Carp and Waino, rather than paying an ace salary for a back-of-the-rotation need.

Yoni Pollak
5 years 8 days ago

after that first sentence i stopped reading

seanbergmanrules
5 years 8 days ago

Cards must be hard up for players if a 4th outfielder type is worth more than a borderline ace / excellent #2 starter.

chucktb
5 years 8 days ago

If Drayton requires a “return he can brag about” then it’s time for everyone to move on to someone else. Oswalt’s staying put. A young, frontline player and 2 top prospects? Even Ruben Amaro, Jr.’s not doing that.

tooch2112
5 years 8 days ago

How do you other phillies fans feel about maybe losing Happ? I think it could be a big mistake, you look at his rookie year last year, it was great! -and that was only his rookie year, who knows what he’s got left in him.

malcolmec
5 years 8 days ago

I’m not thrilled about the idea of losing Happ… but Oswalt is much better. He’s been a top of the rotation starter for 8 or 9 years. He puts up very good, consistent numbers, and most starters of his caliber still have several good years left in them at 33 or 34 or whatever he is now. Happ has been a very pleasant surprise, but pitchers who haven’t had at least 3 or 4 solid seasons are pretty unpredictable. Oswalt is probably the 1 guy on the market right now I’d trade Happ for.

tooch2112
5 years 8 days ago

I understand what your saying, but it’s sounding like we’ll only have Oswalt through 2011 if they don’t pick up the option. It seems to me we would have better chances having Happ for years and years to come.

acerulli77
5 years 8 days ago

Come on…Happ is a #4 major league starter at best. He is nice, but his rookie year was a fluke. He will never come close to matching those numbers again. I am a Phillies fan, but let’s be real. J.A. Happ is the baseball version of Ron Hextall – great rookie year, and all downhill from there.

5 years 8 days ago

The only thing that makes me not want to lose Happ is that it would mean keeping Kyle Kendrick in the rotation unless Moyer comes back. I’d rather the Rotation be Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, Happ than Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, Kendrick/Moyer. Though either way that’s a much better rotation than we have.

Jason Klinger
5 years 8 days ago

I’m a Phils fan, and I’ll tell you that Happ get insanely lucky. For some voodoo-like reason, he manages to strand a lot of baserunners. Eventually that is going to catch up to him and he’ll revert to what he really is: A lefthanded version of Joe Blanton.

JohnOrpheus
5 years 8 days ago

“The Astros seek ‘a young, front-line player off the big-league roster, two high-end prospects and one more prospect’ for Oswalt, making a trade far from a sure thing. Stark contends that Astros owner Drayton McLane will require a return he can brag about.”

– lolololololololololololololololololololol, Drayton McLane is such a delusional tool.

5 years 8 days ago

Can we trade Drayton?

chucktb
5 years 8 days ago

Any return you got would be one you could brag about!

louis_09
5 years 8 days ago

The Astros do have one thing working against them: BIG contracts. Carlos Lee is owed $18.5m/yr for 2011 and 2012; Oswalt is owed $16m in 2011, w/ a club option for $16m in 2012. They MUST move one of those contracts…with Oswalt the most movable piece. Berkman comes off the books this year, but unfortunately (as of today) is only a Type B. That said, regardless of Oswalt being the best arm left on the market, Houston is FAR from in the driver’s seat. Asking for “a young, front-line player off the big-league roster, two high-end prospects and one more prospect” is great as a starting point, and “high-end” really depends on how your scouts see the players (Arizona might think the Skaggs kid projected as a #2 or something, just as an example). The beauty is this — if they can trade Oswalt, and Berkman comes off the books, they’ve freed up $30m to do other things with. Rather than trying to get 4 pieces…or 5…they should look to get 1 BIG piece and work on adding players to the deal from that BIG piece.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 8 days ago

Along with the big contract, Oswalt also has a no trade clause. He’s so eager to leave that he’ll waive it, only if they will send him to about two teams. Maybe this “loyal” Houston pitcher could restructure his contract; or maybe just agree to go wherever Houston could get the best deal, but no. I have a very low opinion of Oswalt these days. He should of thought about the “what ifs” BEFORE he signed the long term, no trade contract, and then turned around and demanded a trade.

The team he prefers is a Houston division rival, nice, Oswalt! It’s going to be difficult to move him under the circumstances. Houston should trade Rodriguez and Myers for salary relief, which would help for next year too. They would be far easier to move IMO.

ADJPB
5 years 8 days ago

Why would Houston trade Rodriguez and Myers for salary relief?? They both are making around 5 million this year.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 8 days ago

They would be easier to move for younger players. Rodriguez’ arbitration should net him another raise for next season, and Myers has a mutual option. If he doesn’t pick it up, or the Astros don’t, he walks for nothing. For a team going nowhere, saving some money is better than saving no money. Getting younger is better than the status quo, which they can if they were to trade those two.

Oswalt? How are they going to get anything with the narrow parameters they have to work with?

seanbergmanrules
5 years 8 days ago

Assuming Myers keeps performing, he should be at least a B free agent by year’s end. Latest rankings show him only two spots behind a B ranking, and he’s rapidly making up ground after his horrible 2009.

ADJPB
5 years 8 days ago

But you said salary relief not prospects of course they would be easier easier to move. And for Wandy’s arbitration he should not make more than 10 million next year which i think its still really reasonable.

5 years 8 days ago

Salary relief is great, but the list of projected free agents for this upcoming offseason doesn’t look very impressive, and even less so if the plan is to go younger and compete in 2 or 3 years, optimistically. Any money we shave off this year, which will likely be lance and roy, as stated, will just get put back in drayton’s pockets because there’s just nothing on the market. As an astros fan I feel very sad about the next 2 years, but very optimistic after that.

To get back to the point, I’m inclined to agree with you. Get what we can, but one blue chip is essential, and enjoy having a much lower salary next year where we can hopefully build later. However, I’m sad to think that since drayton tries to contend every year, albeit with less talent than necessary, he’ll probably sign a bunch of players who will eat up his money, complain about halfway through the season that he can’t make any really meaningful moves at the deadline because he’s at his payroll limits, and we’ll be left sad and disappointed again.

I like Wade, though he’s not perfect, but there are lots of bonehead moves by lots of GMs. Drayton, on the other hand, really has to go.

stl_cards16
5 years 8 days ago

Could the Phillies look any dumber for trading Lee? What a HUGE mistake that little fiasco was

malcolmec
5 years 8 days ago

Good insight, dude. Seriously, that’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone point that out…

Bender44
5 years 8 days ago

Yeah, bragging rights are a great way to gauge the merits of a trade.

Thats why I only date girls I can brag about to the guys. Thats also why I’m single…

BaseballFanatic0707
5 years 8 days ago

Hopefully, for the sake of Astros fans out there, Ed Wade is smarter than the D’Backs and actually asks for, you know, value for his player back.

From the comments I’ve read so far, though, Stros fans seem to rather hate Wade.

Oh, and Roy Oswalt has been the best available starter since Cliff Lee was traded. Dan Haren is great and all, but Roy Oswalt is superior.

Boz
5 years 8 days ago

im pretty sure they were basing it on value of contract not level of player skill alone. given that fact Haren was def the next best after Lee

5 years 8 days ago

Unless the Astros eat the rest of the 2010’s money theyll be lucky to get 1 blue chip prospect. With what just happened with Haren is any indicator with money I find it hard to believe the Astros will get much better if theyre insistent on not taking on any of the contract.

Not only are the low A ball guys talented, they will be twice as valuable in 2011 and with the money coming off the books in 2012 itll make it easier for the Phillies to make a move next year for a premium player during the season. This is why I think its extremely doubtful anyone from Clearwater or Lakewood will be moved this year.

Guest
5 years 8 days ago

Drayton McLane and the Astros front office are unreal.. they are not going to get what they want for Oswalt. Hes not even worth that much. Seems to me the Stros are poor loosers and just want their organizations name talked about for the time being. Somebody needs to tell Drayton McLane that this is a business and he needs to make wise business decisions to better his club intead of looking for a trade he can “brag” about with his fellow riches. Pathetic.. I would be pist if I was a an Astros fan. Why whould they need ML ready players? There 15 back from anything and donthave a soild chance to make it to the playoffs.. Rebuilding mode guys.. get your prospects!