Odds & Ends: Dodgers, Overbay, Hawpe, Lilly, Marlins

Links for Friday…

  • Dylan Hernandez of The Los Angeles Times says (via Twitter) that Dodgers GM Ned Colletti hasn't asked anyone to waive their no-trade clause, which would include Manny Ramirez.
  • Lyle Overbay was pulled from tonight's game in the 6th inning, and Jon Paul Morosi of FoxSports.com says there has been trade interest in the Jays' first baseman recently. However, Overbay left for precautionary reasons as he's been feeling under the weather according to MLB.com's Jordan Bastian (Twitter links).
  • Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that Brad Hawpe chose the Rays over the Red Sox was because there was "a perceived better fit in terms of guaranteed playing time."
  • The Dodgers placed Ted Lilly on waivers today, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported yesterday that the Dodgers aren't inclined to trade Lilly.
  • Yahoo's Jeff Passan reports that Marlins president David Samsom directed millions of dollars to owner Jeffrey Loria. Samson has said publicly that he did no such thing, but Passan contests that "what Samson said was so provably false that it was akin to a 3-year-old trying to hide his peas under a pile of mashed potatoes."
  • Stephen Strasburg will probably need Tommy John surgery, according to the Nationals.
  • Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News says the idea of Joe Girardi leaving the Yankees for the Cubs this offseason is "pure insanity," since the Yankees will always provide Girardi with the chance to win.
  • However, Cubs sources confirmed to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times that the Cubs will pursue Girardi to manage, possibly as the leading candidate, if he is available.
  • Padres GM Jed Hoyer told MLB.com's Corey Brock that he and Red Sox GM Theo Epstein joked about the inevitable Adrian Gonzalez rumors last winter. As Brock shows, those rumors are a thing of the past for the first place Padres.


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98 Comments on "Odds & Ends: Dodgers, Overbay, Hawpe, Lilly, Marlins"


moonraker45
5 years 5 days ago

ugh…really hope strasburg can come back from the surgery as effective as he was. He was great to watch.

jwsox
5 years 5 days ago

you know whats awesome most guy come back from tommy john a little bit slower than before right…So assuming the surgery is a 100% success. And he loses some speed, lets say 5mph on every pitch, or right around that area…his fast ball would still be 90-95 with movement and his change-up would still be a 80-85 mph pitch and his slider and curve would still move as much…he would still be one of the best pitchers in the game…the NATS just bettter get a damn good trainer and a great pitching coach so they can make sure this does not happen again other wise we might have to have a nation wide moment of silence for the nats franchise

EdinsonPickle
5 years 5 days ago

Gahhhh! I know! He was a lot of fun to watch, and was always one of those pitchers you cleared you schedule to watch. Crushing news, but I hope he can come back strong. If there is bright side to any of this though, it is that when he finally does recover and return watching him pitch will be just as electrifying and exciting as it was the first time when he stepped on a big league mound since he will not have pitched for a year or so.

myname_989
5 years 5 days ago

Mark Prior V2.0… Without the 18 win season.

Prince_Fielders_Donuts
5 years 5 days ago

And the no hitter…and alot of stuff

5 years 5 days ago

Prior didn’t throw a no hitter.

5 years 5 days ago

Really surprised the Baker bashers are not out in droves on this one to find some way to connect Dusty Baker to Strasburg’s injury somehow or someway.. Lol… You mean to tell me other managers in baseball might abuse a pitchers arm!!!!!! Wow what a concept. Pay attention all you Baker bashers out there what I am getting at is any manager could be blamed for leaving pitchers out too long and aiding to the cause of a pitchers arm injury.

Also even though the Nats were careful with this guy somewhat he still got injured.

BaseballFanatic0707
5 years 5 days ago

Riggleman did not abuse Strasburg’s arm. Scouts have been stating that his mechanics lend himself to injury, much like Lincecum and Hanson. It was just a matter of the scouts being right this time.

studio179
5 years 4 days ago

“Really surprised the Baker bashers are not out in droves on this one to find some way to connect Dusty Baker to Strasburg’s injury somehow or someway.. Lol…

You mean to tell me other managers in baseball might abuse a pitchers arm!!!!!! Wow what a concept.

Pay attention all you Baker bashers out there what I am getting at is any manager could be blamed for leaving pitchers out too long and aiding to the cause of a pitchers arm injury.

Also even though the Nats were careful with this guy somewhat he still got injured.”

No, if you want to connect dots, it was Riggleman who has Strasburg when he got hurt and Riggleman who had Wood when he got hurt. Both high prize flame throwers and both were predicted to go down with injury. In the case of Strasburg, Riggleman and the Nationals did everything they could to protect him. It still did not help. Scouts and baseball people saw it coming. Too bad, but hopefully he bounces back.

I’m not sure why you are bringing Baker into the Strasburg injury. Seems like you are looking for an argument or playing the poor Dusty Baker card.

5 years 5 days ago

More like David Clyde. I have been saying it the whole time, David Freaking Clyde

vtadave
5 years 4 days ago

and to whom have you been saying that to “the whole time”? The cashier at your local gas station?

5 years 4 days ago

Oh VTA, you’re so smart and dreamy, you just burned me so wickedly.

Read some back posts of mine, then do some research about David Clyde and the Texas Rangers situation and how it unfolded. Then you can discuss it with your local gas station attendant since that’s your point of reference to somehow “burn” me while you fill up your 64oz cantene with a “suicide” mixture and nibble on 3ft long beef jerky while dreaming about the porn mags behind the counter.

5 years 5 days ago

Kind of felt inevitable that this would happen to Strasburg no matter how careful the Nats were. Raises the question I guess, if guys on strict pitch counts, innings limits can get hurt so relatively easy then what’s the point of all those limits? Seems like if it’s going to happen it will happen no matter what, innings limits only delay the inevitable. Maybe not, I’m just not shocked, unfortunately, that this happened to him.

5 years 5 days ago

Btw, if Strasburg really does need TJ surgery they need to go ahead and get it done, now. Don’t wait a month to get it done, doing it now means he may be back early enough next year to get some innings in at the big league level, working through the natural control issues and getting himself acclimated so that by the start of the 2012 season he is that much closer to being himself again.

withpower
5 years 5 days ago

Tommy John surgery.. not a big deal. AJ Burnett, as a more recent example, came back fine from it — and Strasburg has a lot more natural talent than AJ.

The thing they really have to watch is his shoulder. I know some have pointed out that Strasburg does the ‘inverted W’ or ‘M’ motion when he delivers.

bbxxj
5 years 5 days ago

Most guys are actually stronger and more durable after TJ. It does set him back in development and there is a small chance he doesn’t recover but just look at Tim Hudson. He is stronger and better than he just about ever was one season after coming back from TJ. Just like I’m not too worried about Medlen I wouldt be too worried about Strasburg.

fishfan4life
5 years 5 days ago

Add Josh Johnson to that list of being better after TJ surgery.

5 years 5 days ago

Josh Johnson/Chris Carpenter would be best case scenarios.

I love that this kid signed a contract that commanded not only money but 100 innings in the MLB. The millions of dollars that the team invests in coaches, M.D.’s, facilities, etc and this “kid” and his agent think they know more than all of that

bennie2323
5 years 5 days ago

Very sad news for Stratty and the Nats but….these days pitchers come back even stronger from TJ. Look at Tim Hudson, he’s dealn this year!!!

moonraker45
5 years 5 days ago

Shaun Marcum too

shockey12
5 years 5 days ago

Is everyone forgetting about Tim Hudson and BJ Ryan?

moonraker45
5 years 5 days ago

Tim Hudson no, Bj Ryan yes.

Guest
5 years 5 days ago

Is anyone else having issues with the site that last day or so? I keep hearing one of the adds on the side bar saying “go ahead and click on this?” just me or is anyone else experiencing these issues? I can’t read the page for longer than 30 seconds without hearing this 10 times. Tim what’s up?

Apparently I have a pest problem too..At least that’s what my macbook is telling me when viewing this site.

start_wearing_purple
5 years 5 days ago

I hate to say I told you so… wait, I love saying it. I really thought they needed to ease him into pitching professionally. If you’re banking on him being the face of the franchise then, well the term protect your investment comes to mind.

Oh well, Strasburg’s young and can heal and hopefully this will teach the Nats to be conservative with him now. He’ll probably only do a few rehab starts in the minors next year and in 2012 he and Harper will be ready to lead the team.

moonraker45
5 years 5 days ago

Whether he’s throwing innings in the majors or minors do you really think it made a difference to his arm? The Nats were pretty conservative with him, this can’t be blamed on mis or over use of his arm..

I think what it comes down to is, some pitchers just wreck their arms early on and it progressively worsens over time. Kyle Drabek has already had it done, Shawn Hill’s had it done twice, where as Roy Halladay has never had any serious arm issues (knock on wood) yet consistently tosses up CG’s and 240+ innings a year.

I think something that could be learned from all this, is that while protecting your $15 million dollar investment is important that a) things can happen regardless and b) light work loads can actually be counterproductive, weakening the arm and leading to more injuries.

hawkny1
5 years 5 days ago

Adrien Gonzalez? Who is he…???????
Red Sox have Kevin Youkilis at 1st…

facialfridays
5 years 5 days ago

prob the best first basemen in the league. not an over acheiving fu man chu

hawkny1
5 years 5 days ago

You betcha…. gotta get¬†Youk healthy though and keep him that way..

jwredsox
5 years 5 days ago

HEY! leave the fu man chu out of this man.

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 days ago

Votto, Cabrera, Pujols, etc.

Dave_Gershman
5 years 5 days ago

There is nobody in Baseball named Adrien Gonzalez.

hawkny1
5 years 5 days ago

What ever…

5 years 5 days ago

I cant believe that anyone would seriously think that Girardi would want to go to an organization as poor as the Cubs anyway…unless hes given the GM job as well.

Im sure it will be Ryno who will try to piece together a contending team with the few decent young players they have and the slow-footed, overpaid veterans who clog the roster.

5 years 5 days ago

Well believe it, because lot of other people already are, and “poor” in what sense? Do you think the Marlins were an especially “rich” organization when Joe took the helm there?

joeycrist
5 years 5 days ago

They do need to get this done now so he is back on the bump as soon as possible, isn’t there a certain time frame they need for the swelling to subside prior to surgery?

basemonkey
5 years 5 days ago

TJ will effectively put him on the shelf for a year. Then he might need another year of pitching to get the full command of his breaking ball. Overall TJ has become the baseball pitching equivalent to getting your tonsils out. There’s a high recovery rate, and, as unimaginable as it might seem, but he could come back with more velocity with the reinforced tendon in place.

withpower
5 years 5 days ago

Girardi leaving for Chicago is a tough call. Yankees afford the best opportunity to win, but the roster is getting old in certain areas.. areas that are under contract, or will be, for longer than they should be.

Family wise, CHC makes a lot of sense. At the same time, he’s been winning here.. 2008 was rough, and he made the adjustments to his style, and the players rallied around him and his bullpen usage has been night and day from Saint Joey Four Rings.

I think he stays in the Bronx at the end of the day.

crunchy1
5 years 5 days ago

As a Cub fan, I can definitely empathize with Nats fans right now. Hoping he comes back strong….

5 years 5 days ago

that optimism is certainly Cub-centric. I think Strasburg better give Prior a call and look for a good towel-league he can throw in.

YanksFanSince78
5 years 5 days ago

TJ surgery is sort of like the Six Million Dollar man surgery now a days but I seriously, seriously feel bad for Stras and the Nats. Stras for obvious reasons because he barely began his career and I’m sure has to wonder if he’ll be the same pitcher and for the Nats because they did all the things they were suppose to do and spent an obnoxious amount of money to draft a pitcher which every knows was risky to begin with. Risksy not beacuse of his health history but simply because he’s a pitcher. And God forbid if they had chosen anyone other than Stras. The baseball world would’ve never forgiven them. I wonder if they will change if inverted “w” style and if that will effect him at all? Stras,……..I wish you well buddy. Stay with the team when you can and build that chemistry with them.

SWP said:

“I hate to say I told you so… wait, I love saying it. I really thought they needed to ease him into pitching professionally. If you’re banking on him being the face of the franchise then, well the term protect your investment comes to mind”.

I thought about that but he pitched about 93 IP in 08 and 106 IP in 09. He was at 123 IP this year. That doesn’t seem like a lot. They say the increase should be about 20% increase right? 109 + 20% is about 129 IP. Maybe you 2nd guess if they should have shut him down once he had the initial scare but it’s probably unfair to second guess the Nats. I’m no doctor so I’m not sure if this was an injury that would’ve been inevitable regardless of whether or not he pitched after the initial injury concern. I assume they did a thorough exam and didn’t see any worries but maybe it’s one of those things that’s there but you just don’t see it until it happens?

YanksFanSince78
5 years 5 days ago

I wonder if owners will use this as a high profile example as to why the draft needs bonus slotting and whether or not picks should be tradeable? Of course the Nats are insured but it sets the franchize back a bit.

ISeeYaRodAllen
5 years 5 days ago

strasburg is done. he’ll come back and be a great pitcher, i’m sure. but i have my doubts that he’ll come back and be the phenom he was projected to be. there’s something unnatural about a 98 mph two-seamer that sinks a foot. semantically speaking strasburg will come back, but honestly, as the legend he was prenounced to be – he’s finished. and it sucks.

HerbertAnchovy
5 years 5 days ago

What are you basing that on? History has proven that some pitchers come back even better from Tommy John surgury- one being the man himself, Tommy John. To definitively say he’s done is ludicrous.

ISeeYaRodAllen
5 years 5 days ago

he’ll come back and be great. but he won’t be what he was supposed to be. he’ll need to change his mechanics. this is a special case.

diehardmets
5 years 5 days ago

It’s not only the mechanics, it’s his motion. He goes through the classic ‘Inverted W’ motion. It puts extra stress on the elbow and shoulder. There is a chance he’ll come back and be good, but his mechanics might prevent that.

Backup_Slider
5 years 5 days ago

I’ve also heard that called the classic ‘non-inverted M’ motion.

dc21892
5 years 5 days ago

It’s not that you come back better. I’ve taken a college course dealing with sports injuries and in it you look into this. The area has been weakened prior to the injury so the ball is not coming out as hard. This is mostly due to the fact they’re favoring it a little. When they come back the area is fully healed so they can let loose and throw. They don’t just gain an advantage because they’ve had Tommy John.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 4 days ago

And the intensive, grueling road to recovery also includes a shoulder strengthening program, a core strengthening program, and a re-learning of how to pitch, often with retooled mechanics in the hope of preventing new injuries. It also includes a new dedication to overall fitness-most ML pitchers already do these things, but after surgery even they kick it up a notch. You know, they go from ten to eleven. Can’t help it. The will to compete kicks in.

5 years 5 days ago

Even as a Yankee fan, I don’t know why the Cubs going after Joe Girardi bothers me. I mean he can leave if he wants and everyone will have to respect it, but I dont know. Whatever. As for Strasburg I’m really sorry to see him go and I do feel sorry for the Nats and their fans, because Stras is their future, they finally got that franchise pitcher to go with the franchise hitter Ryan Zimmerman, and to hear that kind of news is just sad. But the bright side is, you know how some pitchers go to TJ surgery, and come back stronger than ever like Tim Hudson and Shaun Marcum, it will be scary if Stras comes back with new found strength.
I bet 100$ this kid comesback and wins the Cy Young OR throws pitches that exceed 102 MPH.

BaseballFanatic0707
5 years 5 days ago

To address Strasburg- he should change his mechanics a bit, and throw just a little lighter. You can still be a dominating pitcher if you throw 95-97 instead of sitting around 99 or 100 constantly. All of his pitches are great-it’s not just his fastball.

In regards to Girardi-it would more than likely take an offer that is substantially larger than the Yankees’s offer for him to manage the Cubs. Don’t give me any of that allure junk, or that “He can break the curse” garbage. The Cubs suck, the Yankees don’t. Contending year in and year out? Yeah, a sane man takes that.

dc21892
5 years 5 days ago

Strasburg being a sucess would be good for the good. It’s obvious. With two injuries already and most likely having to get tommy john, what’s next? I’m not saying he’s a bust but it’s really unfortunate. His stuff is there and the stats prove it. For baseball, I hope this kid can come back.

dc21892
5 years 5 days ago

good for the game* my bad.

UtleyPhan
5 years 5 days ago

Hope he can come back. It’s fun watching players like that even when they arent on your team. Stinks for the Nats who are tougher than their record shows.