Cardinals Acquire Ryan Theriot

The Cardinals acquired infielder Ryan Theriot from the Dodgers for righty Blake Hawksworth, according to the Dodgers' official Twitter feed.  Theriot was a non-tender candidate for the Dodgers in the wake of their Juan Uribe signing, but the Cardinals have a need for him. 

The Cardinals view Theriot as a shortstop and could still pursue a second baseman, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter).

Theriot, 31 next month, is intimately familiar with the NL Central after spending parts of six seasons with the Cubs.  He was dealt to the Dodgers at the trade deadline this year along with Ted Lilly.  Theriot struggled offensively at both stops, hitting a combined .270/.321/.312 in 640 plate appearances.  He'll still be due a raise on this year's $2.6MM, a salary he was assigned after losing a February arbitration case.

Hawksworth, 28 in March, posted a 4.98 ERA, 6.1 K/9, 3.5 BB/9, 1.5 HR/9, and 51.5% groundball rate in 90 1/3 innings for the Cardinals this year.  Heading into the 2008 season, Baseball America ranked Hawksworth 20th among Cardinals prospects, praising his changeup but noting his injury history and struggles against left-handed hitters.

This appears to be the first time GMs Ned Colletti and John Mozeliak matched up on a trade.


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192 Comments on "Cardinals Acquire Ryan Theriot"


WrigleyTerror37
4 years 9 months ago

well welcome back to the Nl central The RIOT!!!

whitesoxfan424
4 years 9 months ago

Wow, I know about 40 Cubs fans who are exceedingly unhappy right now.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

Why? This move practically improves the Cubs.

whitesoxfan424
4 years 9 months ago

Every Cubs fan I know loves him. He was a fan favorite. I’m not saying he was great, but he definitely wasn’t bad. I’m thinking he’ll bat 9th given his past success in that position and with LaRussa batting the pitcher 8th typically.

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

He regularly batter first or second, eighth on occasion. Major down grade defensively at SS. Surprised they gave up Hawkswirth.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

how theroit is actually a good baseball player he hits for average, has some pop, can steal a bag or two, and is a solid defender(even better when moved to 2nd) all the cubs fans think he is bad because they were using him as a lead off hitter WHICH HE IS NOT AT ALL…he will be used better in the cards…and with albert, matt, colby in there he should get plenty of pitches to hit

4 years 9 months ago

Has some pop? Theriot has 16 career home runs.

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

He thinks he has pop, he is an awful base runner, and is an average defender. He is a singles hitter who if he stays within himself can have a high OPB and be a nice option to bat second. He is a nice ball player that has a very limited skill set. He is perfect for a LaRussa platoon type lineup. If there is one thing Tony does well it is micromanage and play the match ups. Theriot is someone he can use to his advantage, much like Baker used Johnny Gomes to his advantage in 2009 before they tried to make him an every day player. He really didn’t fit in the Cubs or Dodgers line ups or future plans.

BrocNessMonster
4 years 9 months ago

We must be talk about different Ryan Theriots.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

how theroit is actually a good baseball player he hits for average, has some pop, can steal a bag or two, and is a solid defender(even better when moved to 2nd) all the cubs fans think he is bad because they were using him as a lead off hitter WHICH HE IS NOT AT ALL…he will be used better in the cards…and with albert, matt, colby in there he should get plenty of pitches to hit

Reign Delay
4 years 9 months ago

Depth

ThinkBlue10
4 years 9 months ago

wow! We don’t have to non-tender him now. So is Hawksworth any good? He has a pretty cool name.

Stl_Great
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah he is, No clue why we traded him for Ryan Theriot. Great.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

Hawksworth has some potential. Nothing special. Probably be best suited as a reliever and can give you a decent spot start when needed.

CodyG
4 years 9 months ago

Not really, a top prospect a couple of years ago and then he basically hasn’t done much since.

mojowo11
4 years 9 months ago

His name is better than his ability, unfortunately. But he is not without upside, and is a former pretty-good prospect. He gets grounders at a decent clip, but he needs to cut down on the walks if he wants to be effective and he doesn’t have overpowering strikeout stuff. All in all, I’d say he’s a pretty fungible commodity. I wouldn’t say this is appreciably better than having released Theriot, because the Dodgers can probably find a Blake Hawksworth in their own system somewhere.

Red_Line_9
4 years 9 months ago

I’m wondering if the Dodgers were after Blake Hawksworth so they could sell his name rights to a daytime soap opera. What a handle!

Lance29
4 years 9 months ago

No. He sucks. Take it from a Cards fan. We are happy he is gone.

4 years 9 months ago

wow i hope i never play for your team is that the way you treat all your players

InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 9 months ago

Is he the GM? He isn’t “treating his players” in any way, I’m assuming he just roots for the team, not manages them…

4 years 9 months ago

what i meant by it was appreciate what hawksworth contributed to this team not slam him for anything he did wrong

4 years 9 months ago

Chances are, you will never play for any MLB team

adieuordie
4 years 9 months ago

if you’re that sensitive, i wouldn’t want you to play for “my” team

adieuordie
4 years 9 months ago

if you’re that sensitive, i wouldn’t want you to play for “my” team

Scott
4 years 9 months ago

Well, Hawksworth was one of the better pitching prospects, at least in a fill-in position, compared to the rest of the minor leaguers. (I know, that doesn’t mean much)

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

LOL.. whatever enjoy some of theRIOT. God is he bad.

achilles111
4 years 9 months ago

worst shortstop arm in the major leagues

4 years 8 months ago

uhh..I’d have to disagree. I think Betancourt for the Royals is the worst everyday SS in the bigs.

4 years 9 months ago

Not a SS at all, good 2nd baseman and I really liked him as the #2 hitter for the Dodgers this year. But we needed some pop so glad we have Uribe instead but nonetheless a good player and i think a good trade for both teams.

4 years 9 months ago

Not a SS at all, good 2nd baseman and I really liked him as the #2 hitter for the Dodgers this year. But we needed some pop so glad we have Uribe instead but nonetheless a good player and i think a good trade for both teams.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

LOL.. whatever enjoy some of theRIOT. God is he bad.

4 years 9 months ago

what your gonna get out of hawksworht is a solid long reliever and potential spot starter at times he has been brilliant but other times hes been a little questionable at best. In my opinion i think it was a good deal i liked hawksworth a lot but i also see theriot as a great pick up

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

So I guess that means that the Bartlett rumors are officially dead?

Stl_Great
4 years 9 months ago

Nope, Theriot will play 2B taking Schumakers spot if we get a trade in line for Bartlett.

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

Surely, the Cardinals won’t move Ryan for Bartlett because that wouldn’t be very smart. Bartlett is expensive and slowly becoming overrated on how much he’ll get paid and how much he’s actually worth.

mojowo11
4 years 9 months ago

Not to mention that Ryan’s defense is arguably the best in the league and the Cards starters all get a lot of ground balls. FWIW, Ryan seemed a lot less helpless at the plate in the second half last year than in the first, which I believe McGwire attributed to him trying some new stuff in the first half but then changing back to some old habits that were working better for him in the second half.

cachhubguy
4 years 9 months ago

“Ryan’s defense is excellent” might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read.

penpaper
4 years 9 months ago

Have you seen any Cardinal game this past season? There’s no doubt that he saved runs in bunches last year and the stats prove that.

4 years 9 months ago

why?

$1639238
4 years 9 months ago

Hmm…you are aware everyone from Baseballprospectus to John Dewan to Fangraphs to anyone who watches baseball ever widely considers him to be one of the top, if not THE top defensive shortstop in baseball….right?

Craig Cutler
4 years 9 months ago

And why is that. Statistically the guy had the best range in all of baseball. Would have, should have been gold glove winner if it weren’t for his horrid hitting. Which its called a gold glove award, not silver slugger. Baseball awards are stupid as hell sometimes.

Stl_Great
4 years 9 months ago

How? His defense his great, GG worthy for sure.

tehzachatak
4 years 9 months ago

come on dude.. the guy is probably the best defensive SS in MLB

shysox
4 years 9 months ago

Sorry. That one goes to Troy Tulowitzki. Alexei Ramirez is getting up there. Actually, Brendan Ryan’s defense at shortstop ranked best in the league.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m guessing you aren’t an educated MLB fan because you could see how goo Ryan is defensively by simply looking at stats

djfanon
4 years 9 months ago

Cards fans just got trolled hard…

wintwins
4 years 9 months ago

I think BJ Ryan is a better shortstop than Brendan Ryan

brstreet9
4 years 9 months ago

B.J. Ryan is out there. Maybe the Twins can sign him to play short. Might look a little goofy being left handed though.

brstreet9
4 years 9 months ago

B.J. Ryan is out there. Maybe the Twins can sign him to play short. Might look a little goofy being left handed though.

akbled
4 years 9 months ago

I’m guessing you meant Ryan Theriot

4551232220476
4 years 9 months ago

they are talking about brendan ryan and not ryan theriot. Theriot is a solid, professional hitter, a proficient second basemen, but a terrible SS with minus range, and doble minus arm.

Cardinals06
4 years 9 months ago

Mo said on ESPN 101 in the fastlane, that Theriot will be playing ss. I wonder, if that means he wants Hudson for 2B.

mattevilspawn
4 years 9 months ago

Not what I wanted to hear. I’d prefer Boog stay at SS and Theriot slide mainly to 2B, only occasionally filling in at SS and maybe, MAYBE 3B once in a blue moon.

BlueCatuli
4 years 9 months ago

Except the post says the Cardinals view him as a SS.

Stl_Great
4 years 9 months ago

My dreams of O-Dog have been crushed, the Cardinals let me down once again.

William S
4 years 9 months ago

Thats what you get for liking the Cards! You should pull a reverse Theriot and join the good side of the NL central….you’ll never be disappointed again! LOL

4 years 9 months ago

I liked this because I’m assuming it’s sarcasm lol

mojowo11
4 years 9 months ago

Cardinals probably couldn’t afford him anyway, I think that was a bit of a pipe-dream.

Lanidrac
4 years 9 months ago

The problem with Hudson is that he can only play 2B. Theriot can play both 2B and SS and will be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan in the middle infield, plus he makes a perfect leadoff hitter, something we had trouble with last year.

Lanidrac
4 years 9 months ago

The problem with Hudson is that he can only play 2B. Theriot can play both 2B and SS and will be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan in the middle infield, plus he makes a perfect leadoff hitter, something we had trouble with last year.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

meh

skoz
4 years 9 months ago

I suppose the Cards saw an opportunity to acquire Theriot with their surplus of RHP rather than have to bid on him as a FA. Many FA infield options are going to get overpaid in dollars and years this offseason (e.g. Uribe), and the Cardinals aren’t in a position (and are probably too wise) to compete.

rayking
4 years 9 months ago

This is the most spot-on analysis I have read in these comments.

4 years 9 months ago

Marco Scutaro needs to be moved, redsox could use a good bullpen piece like this. Or a prospect that they could use in a deal to acquire an OF, utility IF, or bullpen pitcher or 1B/3B

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Good bullpen piece like Theriot?? What?

4 years 9 months ago

Hawksworth can start or relieve and is at least comparable to Montesarios or Ely for upside (which isn’t to say much). A solid return for LA, considering everyone knew Theriot was done there. It never hurts to have pitching options.

4 years 9 months ago

St. Louis: Where slap-hitting middle infielders reside.

In all honesty though, I like the fit of Theriot with the Cardinals. Hopefully he can regain the form he showed with the Cubs a few years ago, as a good OBP guy in front of Pujols-Holliday-Rasmus would be dangerous.

4 years 9 months ago

Theriot probably has another one to three seasons of being a regular left in him. I’m betting his 2011 will be closer to his 2009. His 3 WAR days are probably over and he’s going to end up someone’s fifth infielder sooner or later, but he’s probably got more than enough juice in the tank to start for now.

Mike C.
4 years 9 months ago

This is a case of something is better than nothing…

grabarkewitz
4 years 9 months ago

Wow, Ned did something right. Hawksworth is serviceable as a reliever and Theriot is…well, Eckstein Lite. Who knew Ned had it it him?

4 years 9 months ago

Rosenthal reports the team sees him as more of a SS.

mrlyngreen
4 years 9 months ago

Well that won’t work. Figures the Cards would make this move. Dumbnuts

DK57
4 years 9 months ago

won’t work at all!
another offensive UPGRADE is essential. this was not an upgrade. sure! it is on the bench, but as a starter? hard to be excited about this.

4 years 9 months ago

If Theriot is only on the Cards to fill the Aaron Miles role, I’m on board with this trade. But Theriot’s defense is nowhere near good enough to replace Brendan Ryan, and his offense isn’t good enough to replace Skip Schumaker. I can’t see how the Cards would peg him as a likely starter on the 2011 team.

grabarkewitz
4 years 9 months ago

I think LaRussa needed an Eckstein fix.

mrlyngreen
4 years 9 months ago

Play him at 2B and move Skip to RF.

stl_cards16
4 years 9 months ago

Oh please NO! Theriot, Ryan, and Shumaker in the same line-up? No thank you

Stl_Great
4 years 9 months ago

Just the thought of those 3 in the same lineup breaks my heart.

Craig Cutler
4 years 9 months ago

You know, every season I wonder, when the hell did we stop becoming the best lineup in the NL year in and year out. Renteria, Walker, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Sanders, Womack, Matheny, and pitcher. Good night Irene. Now, I have to stomach 5 out of the 9 up there at the dish who make me cringe.

Andy_B
4 years 9 months ago

that happened in 2006 when the MV3 became the MV1 as Jimmy went to decline and Rolen was perennially injured, add in the fact that they replaced Walker with Juan Encarncion and Sanders with Bigbie/Duncan/Taguchi/Preston Wilson. Cardinals were on their way to building an elite lineup again until they traded Ludwick.

Craig Cutler
4 years 9 months ago

I know that’s the case. My point is how did the front office of the Cardinals not anticipate Jimmy getting old and declining, Walker not retiring, etc. Rolen’s injury I understand. It just seems like with a good team on the field they stopped caring or preparing for the future and just shut off that part of the brain. Somewhere along the line whether it was poor drafting, poor development, whatever, that we fell off the face of the earth in the National League. I got too use to being the pride of the National League year in and year out.

mattevilspawn
4 years 9 months ago

I miss Luddy. I understand why they had to move him, but it still bums me out.

Andy_B
4 years 9 months ago

that happened in 2006 when the MV3 became the MV1 as Jimmy went to decline and Rolen was perennially injured, add in the fact that they replaced Walker with Juan Encarncion and Sanders with Bigbie/Duncan/Taguchi/Preston Wilson. Cardinals were on their way to building an elite lineup again until they traded Ludwick.

Craig Cutler
4 years 9 months ago

You know, every season I wonder, when the hell did we stop becoming the best lineup in the NL year in and year out. Renteria, Walker, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Sanders, Womack, Matheny, and pitcher. Good night Irene. Now, I have to stomach 5 out of the 9 up there at the dish who make me cringe.

mrlyngreen
4 years 9 months ago

I’m getting kind of tired of the Ryan hate. He had one bad year at the plate and he’s dog meat. Best defensive SS in the league and his offense will improve. If he doesn’t improve in 2011 ship him off.

brstreet9
4 years 9 months ago

I was surprised to hear Mo on the radio a while ago saying Theriot was more or less in line to start at SS. I was thinking Schumaker would go back to a 4th OF/utility role, and Theriot would get most of his time at 2B. To me that would be the obvious move.

Lanidrac
4 years 9 months ago

That’s the general idea. He’ll be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan up the middle. His offense is actually very similar to Schumaker. Schumaker has a career .291/.349/.383 line, while Theriot’s career line is .284/.348/.356. The big difference is that Theriot steals 20+ bases a year, while Schumaker barely steals any.

Lanidrac
4 years 9 months ago

That’s the general idea. He’ll be part of a 3-man platoon with Schumaker and Ryan up the middle. His offense is actually very similar to Schumaker. Schumaker has a career .291/.349/.383 line, while Theriot’s career line is .284/.348/.356. The big difference is that Theriot steals 20+ bases a year, while Schumaker barely steals any.

Cardinals06
4 years 9 months ago

Theriot’s and Ryan’s defense feilding percentage at ss isn’t that big of a difference. And at least Theriot can hit, and steal bases. He’s also a good bunter. Which, is something the Cardinals needed. Ryan’s feilding percentage at ss 979, Theriot’s 976. And Theriot can lead off, 290 career batting leading.

neoncactus
4 years 9 months ago

I like the move for the Dodgers. No guarantee how Hawksworth does, but they were going to non-tender Theriot anyway, now they add a pitcher who can do long relief and spot starting instead of getting nothing.

dusto
4 years 9 months ago

I wonder if we similar money saving moves like this in the future regarding Martin and Loney. Maybe we get an outfielder for Loney?

neoncactus
4 years 9 months ago

Possibly with Martin. Depends if Ned can get a catcher for less than they’d pay Martin anyway. Also depends if Martin would work out a deal without arbitration or if he’s going to pull a Jeter and demand a raise based on his “Dodger icon” status (sarcasm intended). In which case, I can see AJ Ellis as our catcher and use that money on a better hitter.

Even if we trade Loney, they have to replace him. Bringing in a heavy hitter like Fielder or Dunn, or even someone like Overbay or Berkman wouldn’t end up saving much and may even cost more.

4 years 9 months ago

GM on the radio say it’s likely he’d be starting SS. Bet it still becomes a competition in spring training or they move Ryan for someone.

StLunatic88
4 years 9 months ago

Why are people getting excited over Blake Hawksworth?

He’s a great guy, and really likable, but he isnt anything special as a player. Your Mop-up guy at best really. No pressure relief situations tho

4 years 9 months ago

are you kidding me no pressure relief situations need i remind you what happend against the dadgers in july of last year. i actually dont know why we traded him for a guy like theriot hes an alright shortstop but nothing special but i guess the cardinals make up for trading im away by signing brian tallet

Lanidrac
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t remember that game, but it would’ve been an exception. He was pretty bad in most pressure situations.

4 years 9 months ago

In return for Ryan Theriot, who the Dodgers were gonna non-tender anyway, is good. Could help them at middle relief pitcher.

grabarkewitz
4 years 9 months ago

Hell, Mozeliak could’ve sent a cadaver to the Dodgers and we would think this deal is a win. Theriot doesn’t even have the small person likability of Eckstein. He is Aaron Miles without the stick.

Gurvir Nijjar
4 years 9 months ago

pretty good deal for both sides i’d have to say

4 years 9 months ago

I like the deal because I think Theriot is better than Hawksworth. However, I’m still hoping they can grab Bartlett. Theriot doesn’t sound like a good canidate for the leadoff spot which, I believe, is the Cardinals’ biggest need.

Lanidrac
4 years 9 months ago

Theriot has a career .284 average and .348 OBP and has stolen 20+ bases every year he’s been a starter. That sounds like a pretty good leadoff man to me. It’s not great, but it’s still very good and a lot better than we’ve had since Eckstein left.

Lanidrac
4 years 9 months ago

Theriot has a career .284 average and .348 OBP and has stolen 20+ bases every year he’s been a starter. That sounds like a pretty good leadoff man to me. It’s not great, but it’s still very good and a lot better than we’ve had since Eckstein left.