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Stark On Greinke, Jeter, Phillies, Uggla

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | November 10, 2010 at 7:19pm CDT

It's looking more and more likely that MLB will add a second wild card team to each league, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. He also has the latest rumblings from around the league; here they are:

  • Clubs that have spoken to the Royals say Kansas City would only accept a bunch of front-line players for Zack Greinke. One of those players must be a pitcher with a Greinke-like ceiling, so GM Dayton Moore expects a lot for his ace.
  • Clubs that have checked in with the Royals believe Greinke would veto a deal to any major market East Coast team. However, one official says the pitcher “would at least think about the L.A. clubs.”
  • Joel Sherman of the New York Post recently suggested that the Yankees make Derek Jeter a Yankee for life with a 25-year contract that would keep him involved in the organization once his playing days end, but Stark hears that Jeter’s next deal will be “a baseball contract. Period.”
  • A Phillies source summed up the chances of Jayson Werth returning to Philadelphia concisely: "No chance. None. Zero.
  • "The Phillies are working aggressively to re-sign Jose Contreras, according to Stark.
  • GM Ruben Amaro Jr. told Stark that he has been working the phones this week. "We've made contact with 40 free agents, predominantly bullpen guys." He said. "Left-handed relief is a priority for us."
  • Teams that have contacted the Marlins about Dan Uggla see definite signs that if extension talks don’t go anywhere, the second baseman could soon become trade bait.
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  1. Jonny Dollar

    15 years ago

    I would love to see Zach in a Chicago Cubs uniform but I wonder two things:

    1. The asking price.
    2. Would he wilt under the pressure of a big market?

    Reply
    • j6takish

      15 years ago

      KC probably has a better chance of being a contender than the Cubs

      Reply
      • BlueCatuli

        15 years ago

        When? Next year or in the future? Both would be wrong. The Cubs play in the worst division in baseball. It is up for grabs every year by 5 of the 6 teams.

        Reply
    • EdinsonPickle

      15 years ago

      I wouldn’t, not for the price. It will cost the Cubs best prospects, and they are in kind of a rebuilding phase right now. I’m positive they would ask for Vitters and Jackson. Would Moore want Castro as well?

      Either way I don’t see it happening.

      Reply
      • BlueCatuli

        15 years ago

        I doubt they would want Vitters at this point. SPAN has it about right. Lee, Archer, Jackson and Cashner. Way to much from the Cubs standpoint.

        Reply
  2. hawkny1

    15 years ago

    “When you wish upon a star”
    “Makes no difference who you are”
    “Your inviting, fires igniting, pockets tightening”
    “Your big deal’s to much too frightening, from afar…”

    Reply
  3. j6takish

    15 years ago

    Greinke to Detroit? Anyone?

    Reply
    • InLeylandWeTrust

      15 years ago

      I would rather hold onto our prospects then sell the farm for Grienke. Verlander is a proven ace, Scherzer was phenomenal last season and Porcello deffinitly has ace potential. It would be a sick rotation but I’d rather hang onto our big pitching prospects (Turner, Oliver, Crosby, Furbish) who have high ceilings and are under team control.

      Reply
      • vtadave

        15 years ago

        Turner is really the only guy there I’d hesitate to give up. Crosby has a bum elbow and Furbish and Oliver have limited ceilings. If the Tigers could give up any three prospects not named Turner, they would probably pull the trigger.

        Reply
  4. Ferrariman

    15 years ago

    the sort of package the royals are asking for made me think of the Rangers. Package centered around Derrek Holland and Julio Borbon, add maybe Alexi Ogando.

    Reply
    • Dave_Gershman

      15 years ago

      I was thinking Derek Holland/Martin Perez/Engel Beltre (a toolsy younger Borbon), and Jurrickson Profar.

      Reply
      • Ferrariman

        15 years ago

        their is not a chance in this lifetime i would give up both Perez(even if he regressed this year) and Holland for Grienke. and you are adding Beltre? i’m not familiar with Jurrickson and Profar but they have awsome names.

        Reply
        • Dave_Gershman

          15 years ago

          Jurrickson Profar is one person.

          Reply
        • myname_989

          15 years ago

          Even better, Jurickson Profar is one man.

          Reply
          • Dave_Gershman

            15 years ago

            I think he’s still a kid. I’m barely older than him he was born in ’93.

            Reply
            • myname_989

              15 years ago

              Touche. Lol

              Reply
            • vtadave

              15 years ago

              93? Yeesh…let’s just say I have a diploma dated 1993. Won’t tell you which diploma that is though. haha.

              Reply
              • Dave_Gershman

                15 years ago

                Law School diploma? Can’t imagine you’d say no to that one. But nevertheless, you definetly know your Baseball.

                Reply
  5. yazpik

    15 years ago

    Ackley, Pineda, Franklin = No way
    Ackley, Pineda = No way
    Ackley= No way

    Greinke is good but not the greatest pitcher ever, he´s not cheap, he has problems with the pressure…

    Reply
    • Tko11

      15 years ago

      Greinke is so ridiculously overrated which is why I would love the Royals to trade him this offseason. It seems like his value is really high right now and Moore setting the bar high drives up the price even more.

      Reply
  6. Mike Washburn

    15 years ago

    I see the Reds as a great place… Leake, Wood, and Stubbs.

    Reply
    • Ferrariman

      15 years ago

      wow! please let this package happen

      Reply
    • timmytwoshoezzz

      15 years ago

      You want two years of Grienke at $13.5M per for three players with good upside, all making league minimum, and 16 years of total team control? No thanks.

      Reds need a solid left fielder to either leadoff or drive in 100 runs. Their pitching is not an issue, let their young staff develop

      Reply
    • Dave_Gershman

      15 years ago

      “Leake, Wood, and Stubbs”

      Please no. It would have to be centered around Mesoraco and Hamilton.

      Reply
    • Yanks48

      15 years ago

      Wow, thats a great trade for the royals but not that good for reds

      Reply
    • EdinsonPickle

      15 years ago

      Why?

      Reply
      • timmytwoshoezzz

        15 years ago

        Because Hamilton is a switch hitting shortstop that stole nearly 50 bases in the Pioneer league. He’s flat out sick

        Reply
        • EdinsonPickle

          15 years ago

          Brilliant, so let’s not trade him for Grienke.

          Reply
  7. Rick

    15 years ago

    There have been rumors of the Red Sox talking about making a run at Uggla and trying to move him to third. Personally I wouldnt want to go that route, but you never know.

    Reply
  8. wickedkevin

    15 years ago

    A second wild card team hmm… Cool, now the playoffs will consist of 60% of the AL east every year!

    Reply
    • moonraker45

      15 years ago

      How would it work though, an extra team would throw off the balance? I’m confused.

      Reply
      • BlueCatuli

        15 years ago

        The two wild card teams would play a best of three, I believe.

        Reply
      • ThinkBlue10

        15 years ago

        I was thinking that the team with the best record gets a bye. Thats the only way i can see it working with an extra wildcard team.

        Reply
  9. Beauford

    15 years ago

    OT : Mariner announcer Dave Niehaus passed away today.

    Reply
    • EdinsonPickle

      15 years ago

      Just saw the news. Absolutely tragic. He was one of my favorite announcers. That really is a loss for the game of baseball.

      Reply
  10. coolstorybro222

    15 years ago

    Let’s have Matt Holliday for Grienke.

    Reply
    • jwsox

      15 years ago

      i hope your kidding, there is no way the royals take on his contract(considering its probably the size of their entire payroll)

      Reply
    • jth532

      15 years ago

      No way I would want to take on Holliday’s contract.

      Reply
  11. angel31

    15 years ago

    What about the Angels that we would think about! Maybe a trevor bell,trevor reckling and joel pienero? or a trevor bell, trevor reckling, and kaz with (65%) of contract?

    Reply
    • Dave_Gershman

      15 years ago

      Please, please tell me your kidding…

      That package would hurt the Royals before helping them.

      Reply
      • angel31

        15 years ago

        How about pienero, Dillion baird, Trevor bell and Randal Grichuck

        Reply
        • Dave_Gershman

          15 years ago

          What are the Royals supposed to do with Joel Piniero?

          Reply
          • angel31

            15 years ago

            its a rental for only cheap money and can spark something cuz i doubt the angels would give up santana and i can only see them maybe doing a trade for pienero or kaz. unless they do a three team deal to get rid of pienero or kaz

            Reply
            • Dave_Gershman

              15 years ago

              No. Conger/Bourjos/Martinez Mesa/Jimenez/Richards. 3 of the 5.

              Reply
              • angel31

                15 years ago

                that works for me, just not bourjous and conger. The others could be in the deal and maybe trevor bell or reckling, but they would probably have to do a three team deal or find a way to give them or someone Kazmir

                Reply
              • vtadave

                15 years ago

                Not even that gets it done IMO. Royals would start that conversation with Mike Trout and then within seconds, Dayton Moore would be getting a dial tone.

                Reply
                • Dave_Gershman

                  15 years ago

                  Well obviously, but I think he’s staying out right? The Angels can NOT trade him. Maybe Jordan Walden gets in to the mix. Conger, Bourjos, Walden, and Jimenez. That’s really light and I don’t think Greinke is going to the Angels anyway. I like the idea of Hicks/Gibson/Morales/Waldrop

                  Reply
  12. Ben_Cherington

    15 years ago

    Greinke for wakefield dice k and paps???? Theo make it happen!!!

    Reply
    • Billy

      15 years ago

      The Red Sox might have to add J.D Drew or Mike Cameron.

      Reply
      • wickedkevin

        15 years ago

        Maybe throw in Lou Merloni.

        Reply
        • Ben_Cherington

          15 years ago

          we can also throw in John Farrell 🙂

          Reply
          • jwsox

            15 years ago

            throw in YAZ too

            Reply
            • wickedkevin

              15 years ago

              No! He’s doing a signing on the 20th. I want to get my 1979 Yaz pennant signed.

              Reply
            • Rick

              15 years ago

              Do it! LOL

              Reply
  13. Bobby Boykin

    15 years ago

    Greinke has shown signs of being a great regular season pitcher. But once the playoffs start, assuming he goes to a team that makes the playoffs, how he reacts to that pressure is completely unknown. It would be hard as a Rangers fan to risk Holland, Beltre, and Perez for Greinke. Having said that…I am salivating over the idea of Lee, Greinke, Wilson, Lewis, Hunter…..I smell a repeat!

    Reply
    • twentyfivemanroster

      15 years ago

      Jut to let some of you in on an unknown tidbit outside of KC apparently, In 2009 Kauffman stadium resembled a playoff atmosphere when Greink took the mound. That place errupted with every strikeout. It’s not like Greinke has pitched in only mild atmoshere.

      Reply
  14. InLeylandWeTrust

    15 years ago

    Why is Greinke being so picky about where he is potentially traded to? Does he not realize he has been with Kansas City his whole career?

    Reply
    • YanksFanSince78

      15 years ago

      Ummm comfort. $26 mil and in two years he can say where he wants to go. I’ll give him credit. He understands whatever his mental/emotional issues are and doesn’t want to go places where that can be a problem for him. He’s in control of his destiny to an extent so what’s wrong with that? I’m 85% sure wherever he goes will be in a more competetive place than the Royals.

      Reply
    • MasterDave

      15 years ago

      Would you want to repeat going to a shitty team with no future?

      He’s being picky because he can be. If you have any amount of control and a desire to play for a potential world series team before you retire, you want to at least try and make a good decision.

      Reply
  15. jwsox

    15 years ago

    dear kenny williams please please please please look into getting ugla….dude is young and has crazy good power, yes the whitesox have gordon beckham…but if you can get ugla without getting rid of sale or beckham please please do it, slot ugla into 1st…or keep hiim at 2nd, move beckham back to 3rd(he seemed more comfortable there) and either let morell get some conditioning at AAA or trade him along with a pitcher for the left handed power bat we NEED…pull off that deal for ugla..then trade floyd+quentin+morell for colby rasmus….eh?

    Reply
  16. MasterDave

    15 years ago

    I’m still %100 against trading Colby Rasmus, but hey if a package of Rasmus and a couple of AA guys can get it done, I say do it. If the alternative to keeping Rasmus is watching him stagnate on the bench while in Tony’s Doghouse, might as well ship him out while the value is high, rather than low when he’s pissed off and tired of playing for a team where he’s not getting a fair shake (in his opinion at least, maybe not the rest of the baseball world).

    Reply
  17. brian mcgahan

    15 years ago

    I’ve been a big fan of Greinke’s and hope he continues to make progress with his issues. Having said that, its kind of a joke that he won’t consider all of the east coast contenders and he’ll “consider” the LA teams. Either don’t complain about being on a noncontender in KC or suck it up and try a big market. Telling KC you want to be dealt to a team that contends and has no media pressure doesn’t leave a lot of options.

    Reply
  18. bob

    15 years ago

    by “the baggage that comes with Greinke”, I am sure you mean his Cy Young award, right? and not the social anxiety disorder he has been on medication for since he was diagnosed with, without further issue?

    It’s ok…Boston made his no-trade list. I’m sure it would have something to do with the intelligence of the fans he’d have to go pitch in front of at home.

    Reply
    • Rick

      15 years ago

      Whoa! A little hostile there buddy. Too bad a recent sports radio study ranked Boston as some of the most highly educated sports fans in the country. Same with New York, Chicago and San Fran. Don’t mistake passion for stupidity. Also somehow I think his anxiety level would be a little higher pitching in the AL East than in the black hole that is KC. Medication isnt a cure. Different situations cause different levels of reactions. Take it from someone who knows.

      Reply
    • Rick

      15 years ago

      Here is an article from Forbes mag. Or are their writers not intelligent enough for you?forbes.com/2010/08/02/best-fans-teams-lifestyle-sp…

      Reply
    • Rick

      15 years ago

      One more for ya. thedailybeast.com/galleries/787/1/?redirectURL=http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-04/americas-

      Reply
    • JosephA

      15 years ago

      Obviously if he is dead set against big market teams then obviously it is a issue.

      Reply
    • Slopeboy

      15 years ago

      Could be that the Boston fans are too humble and unassuming for his taste…?

      Reply
  19. Bino9

    15 years ago

    Could someone please elaborate as to how MLB will add a 2nd Wild Card team into the playoffs? So now it’s going to be 5 teams in the playoffs from each League? How do you make that bracket? Does the team with the best record in that League get a bye for the 1st round, because it’s obvious that the only way to do a 5 team bracket is to give the team with the best record in that League a series off, but then at the same time that’s not fair to the other 4 teams as they won’t have a week off to rest all their players

    Reply
    • JosephA

      15 years ago

      If your adding a second wild card team I can only assume the team witrh the best record gets a first round bye.

      Reply
  20. Bino9

    15 years ago

    Could someone please elaborate as to how MLB will add a 2nd Wild Card team into the playoffs? So now it’s going to be 5 teams in the playoffs from each League? How do you make that bracket? Does the team with the best record in that League get a bye for the 1st round, because it’s obvious that the only way to do a 5 team bracket is to give the team with the best record in that League a series off, but then at the same time that’s not fair to the other 4 teams as they won’t have a week off to rest all their players

    Reply
    • Slopeboy

      15 years ago

      What I’ve heard being thrown around, but not officialy is that the two Wild cards would play a single game elimination. The winner moves on as they do now, except that all the series’ would be best of seven. This is just to draw more fan interest and raise revenue
      (How shocking!!)

      Reply
  21. Raul

    15 years ago

    I think a package of James Loney, Dee Gordon, and Russell Martin for Billy Butler and Zack Greinke gets the deal done.

    Reply
    • ThinkBlue10

      15 years ago

      That would be awesome if that was enough for greinke and butler. but i dont think thats enough to get both greinke and butler.

      Reply
      • Muggi

        15 years ago

        Heh that’s not enough to get Greinke alone. Loney and Martin are not valuable trade chips…they’re average players. Gordon’s stock is in the tank after his horrible season at AA.

        That’s three complimentary trade chips with no blue-chip prospect. The only way the Dodgers get in the Greinke sweepstakes is to start the package with two of their young arms (Martin, Withrow, etc)

        Reply
  22. moonraker45

    15 years ago

    There is no way the Royal are going to get full value for Grienke. and here’s why.

    With his no trade he can limit the amount of teams that can get in on the sweepstakes. The big market teams, like the yanks, red sox, detroit, chicago are teams he won’t go to, who are the teams who would be most willing to give up top prospects..

    So the Royals have to find a ‘Grienke approved’ team, which will be a smaller market.. Not many small market teams will give up 2-3 top prospects, its not how you get better. I mean if the rays didn’t do it this year to get fielder or gonzalez, who probably would have be a deciding factor, why would they do it for a pitcher now? Makes no sense.

    Reply
    • Sidney

      15 years ago

      I agree the Royals most likely can’t deal Greinke until his NTC expires. Middle and small market teams are not going to take on 27 million and give up their top prospects. I do think he would approve a trade to LA, since his wife is an aspiring actress/model, but the Angels don’t have room in their rotation and need a bat more than anything, and the Dodgers farm system isn’t in the greatest shape, unless they have a three-way deal with Kemp moving somewhere else (the Royals wouldn’t want him since his contract expires the same time Greinke’s does). Oh and if I’m Zack, I make sure the Nationals are on my NTC since they suck just as bad as the Royals and are oft rumored to have interest in him.

      Reply
      • moonraker45

        15 years ago

        I don’t think his no trade clause consists of teams that suck. I think for Zack he’s more concerned of going to teams thats are popular with big markets..

        Reply
    • Muggi

      15 years ago

      AFAIK Greinke has not shot down any location but New York, and has said he’d consider the big West Coast cities so…you might be jumping the gun a bit.

      I understand your point, but right now we only know he doesn’t want to play in NY.

      Reply
  23. Faceman937

    15 years ago

    Everyone is forgetting Dayton’s favorite trade partner in Frank Wren! I know the Braves have a lot of pitching, but they did inquire on him before the Derek Lowe signing. I could see the Braves giving up Minor and a couple other prospects.

    Reply

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