AL East Notes: Beimel, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Jennings

We've already caught up on the Yankees, but it's now time to check in on a few of the Bronx Bombers' AL East rivals. Here's the latest:

  • Joe Beimel is deciding between three teams, according to MLB.com's Evan Drellich. The Red Sox, Orioles and one National League club are the finalists for the lefty's services, agent Joe Sroba says. 
  • Could Michael Young be a fit in Toronto? Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star thinks so. Nobody asked me, but I don't see the Blue Jays as a possible destination for Young, who happens to be a close friend of Vernon Wells'.
  • An MLB executive tells ESPN.com's Buster Olney the Blue Jays “have a chance to be a real power for years to come,” and believes that Alex Anthopoulos & Co. will do a lot with their upcoming draft picks and newfound payroll flexibility.
  • A lot of rival executives tell Olney that they consider the Red Sox the best team in baseball on paper, but wonder how much Jason Varitek and Jarrod Saltalamacchia will produce behind the plate.
  • Some people around the league question whether Rays prospect Desmond Jennings will reach the potential he showed a couple seasons ago.


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214 Comments on "AL East Notes: Beimel, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Jennings"


Steelslayer
4 years 6 months ago

Teams have started hearing the footsteps of the Jays behind them, and before long they will be on par with the other big boys in the East, and as those steps turn into leaps they will pass some of them, and be competing for the division crown year after year the way the Sox have. I think the Yankees will begin to lose ground in the next couple of years, as their contract length and age catch up to them.

andrewyf
4 years 6 months ago

It’s been the same story for years, now. Remember that while Riccardi made several errors, he fielded some very strong pitching staffs, finding strong pitchers seemingly out of nowhere. The Jays still had no hope of contention. In 2008 they were arguably the fourth-best team in baseball, and they still had no hope. So let’s not pretend like the Jays were some horribly mismanaged team and now Anthopulous will save them. They had some very, very good years under Riccardi.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Red Sox and Yankees contain impact players.

Jays, during the JPR days lack 2 important things… several impact players and a deep farm system..

When Wells went down with injury, there was no impact player ready to step in.
When the back end of our rotation was suspect, there were no young kids ready to step in..

While JPR didn’t mismanage the team that badly, he didn’t manage the team to win in the AL east.

AA now is going for high ceiling players, players that Yankees and Red Sox already contain. You can’t expect to win the best division in baseball with the Lyle Overbay’s of the world.

Steelslayer
4 years 6 months ago

No where did I suggest that they did not have any good teams, nor horribly mismanaged. AA is developing a philosophy that will produce “better” teams for a more sustainable period of time with better chances of actually finishing 1 or 2 in the division, as opposed to 3rd or 4th, because in the AL East “good” teams really only finish 3rd. I look at the Riccardi years as trying to throw band-aid solutions over weaknesses with too much money and desperate hopes that players will play at expected levels or above-still had competitive teams, but not enough to win the toughest division in baseball

4 years 6 months ago

The Jays could win if they can successfully emulate the way the Rays have become a great team. Judging by the increase in the quality of their farm system, I don’t see why it couldn’t happen.

Steelslayer
4 years 6 months ago

The rays are the model know, excellent system and approach. However it helps when you stink for a long period of time and maintain top draft picks. There certainly is a relationship to both the rankings of KC’s and TB farm system and where they have finished.

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

TB is the model if you can’t spend money.

flickadave
4 years 6 months ago

Yes, but like Steelslayer said, it helps if you stink for a long time to stock the farm system with high draft choices.

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

No. If you stink you have no choice but to draft picks. It’s not like if you stink you have other choices. Further, if you are a lot of picks, you most likely are a bad team. Rays can’t be good other than drafting a lot, that’s why they suck most of the time.

Steelslayer
4 years 6 months ago

i think your point is somewhat lost here. The truth is sometimes when you stink you do have other choices, like a deep pocket owner-that is not to say it is the answer (see the Mets). “Further, if you are a lot of picks, you most likely are a bad team.” Thats what i think we’re saying, because the Rays did stink for quite a while which gave them high picks. Now they are able to turn those quality picks into good controllable players that they can keep, or trade away or let them walk to a potential Type A ranking, which consequently will turn into two more good picks or other quality players through trades. If done correctly, which they seem to be doing it is almost self-perpetuating

flickadave
4 years 6 months ago

Well said. I think the best current example of “stink for a while to stock the farm” would be the Nationals.

Edit: I forgot how good the Royals farm appears to be. They seem to be doing a great job of emulating the Tampa system.

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

Okay, but TB was bad because they wanted to be bad to get those picks. They didn’t just ‘happen’ to be bad and then got picks. Their formula was to lose for a decade straight, gather picks, and inevitably create a good team. Their formula is to never spend money and only create a team through the draft-this is not THE formula for teams like you said originally. It is more a combination of drafting and spending that is the common formula.

4 years 6 months ago

Don’t mention that around a Pirates fan.

popular_mechanics_for_pitchers
4 years 6 months ago

Halladay, Burnett, Lilly for one year. I wouldn’t say riccardi fielded very strong pitching staffs though, I feel like that starting pitching was his weakness. The year the Jays finished second in the east it was from contributions from Marcum and Mcgowan, remember tomo ohka and John Thompson, Josh towers, Pete walker. The Jays never had a solid five under Riccardi. He did have more success finding bullpen gems (downs)

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

They had good teams, but they underperformed to a huge extent.

gs01
4 years 6 months ago

The Jays just don’t have a winning mentality, how many guys on the team have ever been in a postseason game? Just Molina, I guess when you loses for so many years you start accepting it.

4 years 6 months ago

Right, I guess the Jays should trade for Burnett and ship off Romero due to post season experience.

Steelslayer
4 years 6 months ago

Could you not make the same arguement for the vast majority of teams?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

so if we have 40 Molinas on this team, we’ll have a winning mentality and will win the WS?

great logic there

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

That is one of the more senseless comments I’ve read on this site. First, according to your reasoning, MOST teams in the MLB should never make the playoffs either because most players on most teams have never made the playoffs either. Second, the Jays have not been losing year and year out as you make them out to be. They have had winning season 4/5 years. Finally, why would you think that players do not want to win just because they have never been to the playoffs? Unvelievable.

Snoochies8
4 years 6 months ago

Just like the 08 rays right?

4 years 6 months ago

Tell that to the World Series Champion Giants….that mentality you have is whats wrong with the entire north american system in general…someone tries to get a job “ohh what experience do you have?” experience means nothing…Cliff lee pitched and won his games in the world series against the yankees when he had no experience…..so why did he lose his games to Lincecum this year when he was the “Experienced one”?

4 years 6 months ago

as much as I would LOVE to agree with that statement….you can never EVER right off the yankees as much as I hate to admit…but they have an available payroll that can turn any loser team/situation into a winner in the matter of 1 year…. :(

mike292929
4 years 6 months ago

I don’t think the Jays will touch Young unless the Rangers are willing to eat up alot of his salary.

Bombastic_Dave
4 years 6 months ago

And only if we have to give up some of our relief corps. Young’s long-term value is not worth that of our prospects.

4 years 6 months ago

I don’t even know where Young would fit.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

AA would trade for him and get the Rangers to eat half of his contract

…..

He would then flip Young for prospects and get his new team to pick up his entire contract.

Bombastic_Dave
4 years 6 months ago

Griffin suggests third base while JBau goes to right.

ImAndy
4 years 6 months ago

This is a retread of a story penned a few weeks ago on the basis that Wells was a friend on Young. Ridiculous then it makes even less sense now with Wells gone. Griffin (who should be salary dumped) didnt even consider a cost contribution from Texas. Young would arguably be a worse 3B fielder/hitter than Encarnacion at xx the cost and they are not even planning to use E5 at that corner

Snoochies8
4 years 6 months ago

People calling him JBau is still making me cringe haha ARod is fine and Man-Ram works too, I DO like Joe Bats or Jose Bats…i can’t remember which one it was but i liked it nonetheless

AKates10
4 years 6 months ago

Griffin Doesn’t know his bass from a hole in the ground he should retire rather then invent stories on a slow news day in January.

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

As a Sox fan, I will be satisfied by the Saltitek tandem if they can get on base at a .320 clip (We’ll see, Varitek seems to have forgotten what a base on balls is and Salty’s been all over the place in terms of OBP) or better combined and control the running game better than Martinez did (Not a tall order, really). While it’d be nice to have offense out of the ninth spot, the overall lineup is menacing enough it’s not a complete necessity.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Well I figure the Sox defense at catcher simply improves by not having to see Crawford on the basepaths against us.

TwinsVet
4 years 6 months ago

Right. If the biggest question mark somebody can find about your roster is the catching, you’re going to be just fine. You’d hardly be the only team in MLB to have weak offense behind the plate.

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

We can’t all have Joe Mauer. *Sigh*

Seriously, if Salty can keep Vlad from running wild on us (If he ever signs with someone), I’ll be happy.

soxfan0928
4 years 6 months ago

Exactly. Having a below average offensive catcher is by no means a competitive disadvantage.

If Tek and Salty can put together a .250/.320/.380 clip, they can be right around league average.

It’s not like they’re trying to go out there with Kotchman at first base.

4 years 6 months ago

Are you joking with that one? Catching is the most vital part of the game. If by referring to “good” catcher you mean offense then you really don’t know the game.

TwinsVet
4 years 6 months ago

With 9 men on the field, I don’t think you can make an argument any particular position is the “most vital”. If that means I don’t know the game, so be it.

I’ve seen plenty of world series teams without great catchers.

4 years 6 months ago

maybe on the defensive side of the inning it is up there in importance as far as positional players go, but having a good hitting catcher is more of a luxury than a necessity imo.

MaineSox
4 years 6 months ago

Are you serous? Because you seem serious but that is such an outlandish statement I have a hard time believe that you are, in fact, serious.

MaineSox
4 years 6 months ago

My thoughts exactly.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

I agree. We shouldn’t be worried about Tek or Salty. Salty needs to stay healthy so Tek doesn’t have to take on a full time role, but having Tek as a mentor is everything Salty needs. Teams win without strong numbers offensively from the catching position.

4 years 6 months ago

Red Sox should have traded for Napoli before the Jays/Rangers got to him.

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

No, no, a thousand times no. As I’ve said before, Napoli is Victor Martinez with worse defense and no on base ability. He isn’t a bad player, but he’s exceedingly overrated and should not be considered an answer at catcher for anyone. The only way I would have traded for him would be if the Angels would take Papelbon and his salary and include an MLB ready back-of-the-rotation pitching prospect who would be capable of stepping into a bullpen role with Napoli.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

despite what you think of Napoli.. he is infinitely better than any options the Red Sox have behind the plate for 2011..

He may not be a long term piece.. but no one said he needed to be

4 years 6 months ago

Napoli has a .346 career OB, so he does have some OB skills despite your opinion.

And why is he overrated? He’s a catcher that gets on-base, has great pop, and isn’t a particularly good defender. Don’t we all know that?

Your Papelbon offer makes some sense, so maybe that could have been an interesting swap.

hitdog042
4 years 6 months ago

there was no way the Angels were trading Napoli to Boston anyway. They aren’t stupid, they know that their likely playoff matchups are against the Sox and/or NYY.

soxfan0928
4 years 6 months ago

The Angels likely playoff match up is Weaver vs Price in Scioscia’s basement playing XBox.

4 years 6 months ago

But Napoli ended up being traded to a Division Rival…

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Likely playoff opponent of the Angels? Is that a joke?

hitdog042
4 years 6 months ago

he rsdynast – 1. dont be a richard. 2. At the trade deadline last year, if you read the Boston Globe, you would have read the story about how the Sox won’t get Napoli because the Angels don’t want to send him to a power in the AL where he can beat them. (worked out that way as Toronto turned around and sent him back to the AL W)

Now, I never said the Angels were a good team. Read what I said again, and when you can reply like an adult I’m all ears.

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

Still better than anyone the Red Sox have.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 6 months ago

Young would be certainly a upgrade over EE, but if I’m a Jays fan I would hate any deal where the team would have to eat alot of his contract.

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

over EE? are you assuming young would play 1b or dh?

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

I don’t see how Young is an upgrade over EE at this point. at any position

$1545094
4 years 6 months ago

how is Young not an upgrade over Encarnacion? do you mean statistically or are you factoring in salaries? forgetting Salaries, Young is better than Encarnacion. the last 2 years with the Jays Encarnacion has OBP or .305 in 2010 and .306 in 2009. Encarnacion has also had AVG of .244 in 2010, and .240 in 2009. Young might not have the same power potential, but he is a better hitter and better at getting on base. I also bet he is better defensively at 3B than Encarnacion is.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

The salary has to be taken in to consideration..

I rather get an OPS of .780 for EE’s 2 million, than the same OPS for 16 million from young…EE also has more power potential.

The defense at this point, especially on turf is a toss up

Add to the fact that EE can be let go after this year, while Young is still owed another $32 million..

Its not even close..

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 6 months ago

Ortiz is their DH

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 6 months ago

Why no one else was stealing bases against the Sox?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Crawford always seemed to do the most damage.

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

As SWP notes, he did a lot of damage. Crawford alone stole eight bases against the Sox last year (2% of all bases stolen against them), he was not caught stealing a single time. The Yankees are the only team that he stole more bases on.

Now, one might want to cite the fact they’re in the same division and yes, that has something to do with it BUT:

Crawford only stole two bases against the Blue Jays, getting caught three times and he didn’t swipe a single bag against the Orioles, getting caught once.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

4 words to explain….

Molina
Buck
Wieters
Molina (again, he through out 4 base stealer’s in 1 game vs TB, crawford twice)

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

Yeah…I really wanted Buck. Not at the price he got, but I really would’ve liked to snag him on short years.

soxfan0928
4 years 6 months ago

Molina throws ropes you can hang your laundry on.

Wonder if Farrell will bring the “Don’t worry about the runners” pitching approach to Toronto.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

Molina can throw Chuck Norris

BAM

4 years 6 months ago

He had like 35 straight stolen bases against the Red Sox. The last time he was caught was against Tim Wakefield in like ’07 or ’05.

Chris1G
4 years 6 months ago

how in the world do you get caught stealing on Tim Wakefield? What was he doing crawling to the next base?

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

haha I was wondering the same thing. Out of all the pitchers, he gets caught against Wake?!

MaineSox
4 years 6 months ago

He was actually picked off by Wake at first if I remember right. The last time he was thrown out by a Red Sox catcher was by Varitek back in ’02 or ’03.

johnsilver
4 years 6 months ago

I think you over estimate the power of just having a formidable farm system with no cash flow to back that up and it is not meant ans any dis respect at all. Boston (Epstein Era) and even the Yankees last 2-3 years have finally caught onto that system of how important it is to maintain a top farm system and how important it is to compliment ‘buying” pieces to keep a current team in “top” shape, but one thing the Yankees still have not seemingly learned is how important it is to let older pieces leave when there time is nearing it’s end and they need to either go, or that huge amount of money they just made on a previous large contract does not need to be rolled over into another large multi year contract for approximately the same amount of dollars again, with those same players even older.

Just having a strong farm system (Toronto is a slightly improved version of Tampa bay in that regard) will not let these types of clubs continually keep/maintain multiple players of this caliber once they finally draft them, where the 2 powerhouse teams in the AL East have the ability and resources to do that.

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

Are you assuming the jays dont have the budget to resign there stars? its been said many times that rogers will go up to 150 mill if it makes sense… this isnt like tampa bay at all.

TdotsFinest
4 years 6 months ago

Rogers are one of the richest owners in all of baseball. They are a multi billion dollar company…the Jays will be fine!

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

THE richest owners***

flickadave
4 years 6 months ago

Richest owner in all of baseball is not Rogers.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

well the richest company that owns an MLB team is Rogers Communications.
If you’re referring to a single owner, i suppose you’re right

flickadave
4 years 6 months ago

Seattle Mariners are owned by Nintendo last I knew.

Warren Buffet is the richest owner in all of baseball tho I believe.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

oh shat you’re right.
totally forgot Nintendo. Warren Buffet’s an mlb owner?

flickadave
4 years 6 months ago

Buffett is part owner of the Omaha minor league team I believe. I think it is a Royals affiliate.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Jays for the most part, with a few exceptions, have never been a farm team to the rest of the league

For better, or for worse Jays usually keep their impact players and sign them to long contracts..

Not to mention that, while the Yanks and Sox do have pretty good systems, they are far less likely to actually keep their good prospects as opposed to the Jays or Rays… Kelly, Jackson, etc alike are often shopped before they ever get to the bigs

ellisburks
4 years 6 months ago

Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youkilis, Bard, Papelbon, Lester, Buchholz. The Red Sox have really only traded away one impact player in the last few years and that is Hanley and they got Beckett and Lowell back in that trade. So the Sox are more likely or at least as likely to keep their good prospects such as the Rays and Blue Jays.

Not including the last trade for A-Gone as we don’t know how they will fare in the majors yet.

TwinsVet
4 years 6 months ago

The problem is “buying” complimentary pieces and maintaining a top farm system are at odds with one another.

If you buy complimentary pieces, you lose top draft picks. Hence it’s much more difficult to have a top-notch farm.

The system is designed that way, intentionally. The whole concept of Type-A and Type-B is so Tampa Bay can have a way to compete with Boston. Because if it’s possible to both buy talent and have an A+ farm, small markets will never have a prayer.

That said, Theo has done a phenomenal job gaming the system. Getting picks for guys like Damon and Pedro, who were at the tail end of their marquee years, and netting picks in exchange, is a very solid approach.

4 years 6 months ago

you are forgetting when the Jays had Troy Glaus, Lyle Overbay, Aaron Hill, Bengie Molina, Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, Frank Thomas, Doc, Burnett, Ted Lilly and BJ Ryan under contract in the same season!

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

I’m honestly genuinely impressed with the fact the Sox are still considered top half of the league for farm system, despite trading two of our top five prospects for Gonzalez. With the five picks we have next year by the end of the second round (Six if Lopez signs a major league deal) and the depth of that draft (Plus with a little help from the fact the Yankees, who’re currently in the top ten, will likely either trade or call up their top prospect by the end of the year), I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Sox crack the top ten again next year.

johnsilver
4 years 6 months ago

it’s not just the 1st and 2nd round picks tho.. it’s getting those 8th round (just picking that one) on down and throwing huge bonuses to sign them. teams like Boston “games” the system every year and spends 9-10M every year on the draft and the bulk of that money does not even go on the 1st round pick (s) they get. They will go for the signability guys each and every year many teams thing that they can not get to sign on the dotted line, then target specificially 3-5 of them.

BTW: I had no intention above of saying the Jays were “small market” just not salary powerhouses in the arena of Boston and the Yankees and i really doubt they will become that. look how long they worked to get out from under Wells contract for instance, even Halladays and he was a top pitcher in the game?

4 years 6 months ago

Rogers is the richest owner in all of baseball. Full stop.

The Jays have a SCARY amount of money available if it would be in any way advisable to spend it.

4 years 6 months ago

Fail… They didnt try to get out from under Halladay’s contract. They actually attempted to re-sign him and he basically rejected it. It was his choice to leave thus the Jays maximized on the asset getting 3 good-excellent prospects (Drabek, D’arnaud. and indirectly Gose). Wells was a salary dump, but man was that a damn good one!!!

ClimaClub
4 years 6 months ago

why dont toronto media let thier teams rebuid properly, let the owners pocket the savings from wells trade and spend them 2 years down the road or on the draft or international signing instead of getting young.

Pete
4 years 6 months ago

I agree, Young is definitely not a target for the Jays. Makes absolutely no sense. Toronto could easily be the frontrunners for Fielder at this point, and maybe even Pujols if he hits the market. Why waste money on Young after you just freed your franchise from its biggest mistake?

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 6 months ago

Anything Richard Griffin says needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

its true… dingbats like Griffin who write stories like this are exactly the problem with Toronto..
For some reason the media can’t wrap their heads around a rebuild, yet they are the first ones to complain when the teams fail to make the playoffs.

4 years 6 months ago

what does it matter that Michael Young is close friends with Wells – hes not there anymore???

Pete
4 years 6 months ago

If anything it leads to Young joining the Angels somehow. Which would be great for the other AL West teams.

4 years 6 months ago

You aren’t aware of Young’s “best friends” clause in his contract?

4 years 6 months ago

hahaha

Pete
4 years 6 months ago

Dear AA, please complete your perfect offseason by trading for Young then flipping him to the Angels for Peter Bourjos (With LAAA naturally picking up his entire salary).

disgustedcubfan
4 years 6 months ago

How about Michael Young to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano, a mid range minor leaguer and cash considerations (Cubs pay 10 mill of Soriano’s last year).
The Cubs can put Young at 3rd after Aram leaves and use him at 2nd base this year.
Soriano can be the right handed D.H. Texas is looking for. I think Soriano’s production would go up if he could forget left field and just hit.
Actually, his numbers would go way up if he would stop swinging at sliders in the dirt and a foot and a half outside.

$1545094
4 years 6 months ago

statistically I think Young would be a great fit with the Jays, he could play 3B and bat 3rd. he can still hit. he is only 34 years old, so not that old.
the money is a lot, so I would not want to give up much for him, and certainly Texas would have to eat some salary.

I imagine right now Davis is starting in LF and batting leadoff. unless the Jays bring in another OF like Podsednik.
Snider could be in RF, and Bautista at DH. you could use Bautista in other positions like RF/3B/1B, as well as Encarnacion seeing time at multiple positions like 1B/DH.

would Texas want back RP? seeing they just traded Fransisco to the Jays. Frasor?

4 years 6 months ago

I thought Davis was playing CF?

$1545094
4 years 6 months ago

crap I meant CF. Rivera will be in LF.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

who plays center?? lol

AKates10
4 years 6 months ago

Davis will be starting in Cf, Snider Lf, Bautista rf, encarnacion will be starting at 3rd and Rivera will be starting DH if the season were to start right now. Unless of course Lawrie or Hecheveria impress in Spring training.

4 years 6 months ago

Encarnacion is not going to play 3B.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

he’ll play a few games at 3B for sure

$1545094
4 years 6 months ago

is this your opinion? it would be better defense with Rivera(LF), Davis(CF), Snider(RF), Bautista(3B), Encarnacion(DH).

AKates10
4 years 6 months ago

It would be better defense to have Bautista in rf Encarnacion as dh and a 3b that could field unless they find a 3 bagger that can field Encarnacion will be playing 3rd.

$1545094
4 years 6 months ago

there’s no way that Encarnacion should be playing 3B. from everything I’ve read the Jays are not planning on using Encarnacion at 3B.

AKates10
4 years 6 months ago

There’s no way Bautista should be anywhere other then rf with his gun. If the Jays don’t find another 3rd basemen regardless of what anyone is saying right now encarnacion will be the opening day 3rd basemen. Michael Young will not be a Blue Jay either. It’s a rebuilding year time to see what the kids can do not pick up 34 year old 16 million a year players with 3 years left on there contract.

AKates10
4 years 6 months ago

It would be better defense to have John MacDonald play 3rd but his 220 batting average would get in the way.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

If you read Richard Griffin’s article its complete fluff.. His whole basis for Young is the fact that Vernon Said ‘Ironically’ when asked when he found out he was traded (he was with Young at the time)

It would make zero sense to take back a bad contract when you just pulled a miracle to get rid of one.. Michael young isn’t a good fielding 3B anymore… and lastly if you read any of other Griffin’s work, you would know he’s a complete tool box.

4 years 6 months ago

A complete tool box sounds pretty useful, actually. Better than an incomplete one.

Manny_Lee
4 years 6 months ago

I am seriously wondering about Griffin’s mental health. Just a couple of months ago he was saying that Michael Young was not the answer for the Jays. Now he is jumping on the bandwagon because they have some payroll flexibility. I also find it humorous that all of the Toronto media talking heads keep throwing out fliers about to lock up JBaus, Toronto needs to pick up a 3rd baseman to appease him. AA HAS SAID REPEATEDLY THAT JBAUS IS PROBABLY THE 3RD BASEMAN THIS YEAR. Lets hold off locking up a one year wonder right now to appease the fans. As the JP years showed, trying to appease the fans is a losing proposition. Throw the money at draft picks and international signings to use as currency for future trades.

aaforprimeminister
4 years 6 months ago

I liked 10X

AKates10
4 years 6 months ago

I agree Zero sense.

JaysFTW
4 years 6 months ago

Yep. Griffin could not be more off. Follows his pipe-dream articles about Greinke and the like. Like, how does Young fit into AA’s philosophy for this year and going forward? It doesn’t.

johnsmith4
4 years 6 months ago

I can’t help but notice the team options AA has placed in contracts for Hill, Lind, Romero, Encarnacion, and Davis. They seem to match up nicely when you project prospects.

Encarnarcion 2012 = David Cooper or Eric Thames
Rajai Davis 2013 = Anthony Gose
Aaron Hill 2012/2013/2014 = Brett Lawrie
Adam Lind 2014/2015/2016 = Michael McDade/Moises Sierre/plus others
Ricky Romero 2016 = A top level High School pitcher from this year’s draft

I doubt we ever see an A.J. Burnett (player option) or Vernon Wells and Alex Rios (big dollars with no team options) contract done by AA. He will pay out big bucks to players. But, it will be negotiated in their pre-arb year and it will be long term with big salary matched by team options in the player’s free agent eligible years.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 6 months ago

David Cooper? It’s getting to the point where it might be time to give up on him.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

I think that point was last year lol

johnsmith4
4 years 6 months ago

Same age as Eric Thames. Why don’t you want to wait and see what he does in AAA at age 24? Had good 2nd half. Was 8th HRs in AA.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Actually I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Jays make a play for Fielder.

johnsmith4
4 years 6 months ago

I wouldn’t be shocked either. Especially if there is a chance to “buy low” like he did with Yunel Escobar.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

Fielder and “buy low”? Does not compute

johnsmith4
4 years 6 months ago

People would have said the same thing about Yunel Escobar one year ago.

4 years 6 months ago

Yunel Escobar wasn’t a pending FA with Scott Boras as his agent.

johnsmith4
4 years 6 months ago

One year ago he was entering spring training as the team’s MVP from the previous season. Plus 20th in NL MVP voting. At the time, very unlikely candidate for “selling low”.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

he does fit in well to that whole athleticism philosophy AA has been preaching..

My prediction??

Adam Lind becomes a pretty decent defensive 1B and his bat rebounds.. taking the Jays off the list of teams who need a 1B.

Sniderlover
4 years 6 months ago

Exactly my thoughts.

Now if Pujols became available… it would be a different story.

Steelslayer
4 years 6 months ago

Agree–stay away from him and that price tag

jmcbosox
4 years 6 months ago

why is everybody so preoccupied with tek and saltys offensive production? theyre there to stop the ball from going to the back stop, throwing out the (very) occasional base stealer and throw the ball back to the pitcher, ok, salty may have problems with that last one…

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

The issue is that his career OB is inflated by his part time player numbers. His numbers have gradually dropped the more playing time he’s gotten. In the last three years, his OPS has gone from .960 to .842 to .784, each year with more plate appearances, and that’s with him never having topped 84 starts at catcher in a season. If he can’t keep his OPS up above .800 starting more games at first base than catcher, I can’t imagine him performing well as the starting catcher going forward.

He’s not a bad player, but I wouldn’t want to give up anything of value for him. Taking a flyer on him if he had been non-tendered? Sure. But I wouldn’t have traded anything for him.

0bsessions
4 years 6 months ago

Better than anything we’ve got, yes, but not worth trading anything of value for. Fine for you guys because you managed to shed Wells, but the Sox don’t have an obvious salary dump outside of Papelbon.

4 years 6 months ago

Since they just dealt Napoli to Texas, I would have to think the Jays would have made a run for Young at that same time.