Yankees Notes: Jeter, Colon, Pettitte, Girardi

The latest on the Yankees, who signed Bartolo Colon to a minor league deal yesterday…

  • GM Brian Cashman told John Harper of the New York Daily News that he talked to Derek Jeter's agent, Casey Close, to clarify comments he made earlier in the week about a potential move to the outfield for the captain.
  • As Joel Sherman of the New York Post points out, both the Yankees and the Rangers pursued Cliff Lee aggressively, then "gambled on a former Cy Young winner who has been devastated by shoulder injuries in recent years." But Colon is a back-of-the-rotation arm, not a true alternative to Lee. Brandon Webb, the Rangers' new addition, is no sure thing either.
  • The Yankees are upbeat about the chances that Andy Pettitte returns for another season, according to Sherman. They're still considering free agents like Justin Duchscherer and Jeremy Bonderman, though.
  • The Yankees believe history is a 'pull' for Pettitte, Sherman writes. He can progress through Yankees records and add to his Hall of Fame case if he plays more.
  • Manager Joe Girardi showed the kind of sway he has with the Yankees when he voted in favor of adding Rafael Soriano, according to Sherman.

116 Responses to Yankees Notes: Jeter, Colon, Pettitte, Girardi Leave a Reply

  1. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Why would Girardi vote against acquiring Soriano? Its just money after all!

  2. money941 5 years ago

    I think the gamble of Duchscherer is worth it, he’d be the 5th starter and would keep Mitre or Nova out of a regular rotation spot. A rotation of CC, Pettite, Hughes, Burnett, and Duchscherer isn’t bad at all. It’s at least enough to get to the trade deadline and see what’s out there (possibly Carmona or Liriano?)

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      why are yankee fans determined to keep Nova out of the rotation.. as a young kid last year he held his own after being thrown in

      • I agree, I want to see Nova in competition for the 5th spot with the rest of the guys if Pettite returns. CC, Burnett, Pettite, Hughes, and ?. If they sign Duchscherer then they have a good set of guys competing for the spot.

        • BaseballFanatic0707 5 years ago

          Nova has no secondary pitches that are truly developed.

      • Guest 5 years ago

        Probably for the same reason the Sox probably aren’t gonna see Jose Iglesias starting at SS this year. He’s a solid player but time in the minors would probably be more beneficial to him at this point.

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          way to compare apples and bowling balls there champ..

          Yankees have a pitching need and they have a 23 year old kid with potential..maybe not ace potential. but solid back of the rotation potential.

          Where as Iglesias had a .315 OBP in AA, granted he was only 20 and has a lot of time and room to grow, he CLEARLY isn’t ready for the big leagues… add to that the sox have 2 capable SS’s already on the roster, and your comparison makes even less sense..good job

          • Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

            Well he actually might help us with the BIG LEADS, since he has phenomenal defensive skills! With that being said he is not ready for the Big Leagues…

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            yes, great defensively and could become a good player, but the point is he’s not ready.

          • Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

            I hope you noticed I was pointing out that you wrote “big leads”. It was my subtle way of telling you, you had the wrong word in your previous statement without making you look bad… That def flew your head!! haha its a good thing I like you!

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            subtlety has never been my strong suit

          • Guest 5 years ago

            to your credit, i could’ve been more clear. I know that these aren’t parallel situations by any means but i used this example for lack of a better one. Where Nova could help the yankees, it would probably be in their best interest to keep him in the minors for a while longer.

            I know Iglesias is not yet MLB ready but Marco Scutaro is penciled in as the starting SS and Iglesias would most likely be an improvement over him. Nova could help the yankees but if they are thinking long term, they should keep him in the minors.

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            not to keep arguing but

            2011 Scutaro >>>>>>>>>>> 2011 Iglesias

            He’s just not offensively developed yet, he would absolutely struggle at the major league level if he was brought up prematurely

          • Guest 5 years ago

            Fair enough on Iglesias and Scutaro. But that doesn’t change the fact that Nova would be a gamble for the yankees. He could use some more time to develop and thats why it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing for the yankees to sign a back of the rotation guy.

      • Since_77 5 years ago

        I don’t think they can keep him out. Most teams carry at least six starters and Pettitte is going to be 39 this year.

      • LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

        I am a Yankee fan who liked Nova. If he can just learn to pitch with runners on and not let it snowball he should be a good pitcher. Same thing with freaking Burnett.

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          difference is age and maturity.. nova is 23 with a chance to figure things like that out..

          Burnett is 33 and people are still waiting for him to figure it out

          • pollbuster2 5 years ago

            It’s not that Burnett hasn’t figured it out, it’s that he’s been inconsistent.

      • jjs91 5 years ago

        we’re not, or at least im not i want him there to start the year, im confident nova can be a backend starter at this point.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Aside from the poster above. I think most Yanks fans want Nova in the rotation. Nova is pretty much guaranteed a spot next year even if Pettitte had returned.

        I think it goes, and Cashman said so before:

        If Pettitte then Nova @ the 5 spot.
        If no Pettitte then Nova @ either of the 4 or 5 plus some other pick up or they might go with two rookies, Nova plus one of Phelps/Noesi/Mitchell w/ a long shot for Brackman or Warren. Also add Colon to that mist now.

    • Since_77 5 years ago

      Let’s see if the Twins try to buy the rest of his arbitration years by signing Liriano to an extension like the Reds did for Cueto. I hear they have some stud pitchers in the minors that are almost ML ready like Kyle Gibson. Maybe they will make him (Liriano) available. They also have Brian Duensing they can work into their rotation

      • TwinsVet 5 years ago

        They will not make Liriano available. They’re looking hard to acquire another ace, not sell their only one.

        Gibson fell into the late early rounds because he had a fresh arm injury. Pre-injury he was projected to go 5-10th overall. He’s no Liriano, make no mistake. He doesn’t even project to be an ace. His ceiling is closer to a #2-3 guy. He’s just getting press because he’s progressed so quickly through the minors, and is our next best option for rotation help.

        At present, there is nobody in our farm who has real ace potential. Hence, the Twins will do everything they can to keep Liriano around.

    • TwinsVet 5 years ago

      Sorry, Liriano’s not going anywhere. Your days of treating the Twins like your personal farm system are long gone.

      • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

        so you’re saying that I wasted 100 bucks on a Yankees Joe Mauer Jersey??? :S

        • MB923 5 years ago

          Can’t hurt as much as those who spent 100 bucks on a Yankees Cliff Lee jersey

          • $1519287 5 years ago

            Actually Yankee jerseys don’t have names on the back so all jerseys will be of use at some point.

      • Chris1G 5 years ago

        They still have the Royals to use for a farm system

    • Yeah, Liriano is the Twins best pitcher by a mile, under affordable team control for 2 more years on a contending team, so he’s really not going anywhere.

      On the other hand, Carmona’s probably available now if you want him. Which I’m not really sure you do.

  3. Since_77 5 years ago

    I guess Justin Duchscherer is the best of the rest but once has he only over 100 innings in a season or made more that 20 starts. His best seasons were coming out of the bullpen.

  4. schellis 5 years ago

    Bartolo Colon isn’t a true alternative to Cliff Lee. I’m so glad the reporter took the time to point that one out.

  5. “add to his Hall of Fame case if he plays more”

    That’s a good laugh.

    Hall of Fame Case of Beer?

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      no Cy youngs, no top 10 in mvp voting, 3.88 career era… hmm yea, doesn’t look likely..

      he had a good career, but he’s no hall of famer

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        I don’t think it would matter if Pettitte had an era of 3.00 and 3,000 strikeouts. Considering the reluctance to let even suspected steroid users in and Pettitte has admitted to using HGH, I’d say his chances are close to nil.

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          perhaps, although the way in which he handled it as lead to far less criticisms than players who continue to deny. . the dark cloud of performance enhancing drugs doesn’t hover over Andy for some reason

        • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

          I think that’s probably the biggest reason he may not get in. He and Clemens willbe linked hand in hand in the steroid controversy. The only way he MIGHT get them to overlook that is because he was the only one that admitted to it DESPITE the obvious fact that he was more compelled to admit it. I don’t know if Tejada qualifies for HOF consideration or not (HR total as a SS)? All the others who were caught after they started testing (Manny) or publicly denied or avoided answering once they were exposed will have a tougher time than Pettitte probably despite being way more deserving (Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro).

          Can I just state how f*C^ed my chilldhood favorites have turned out? I forver have to listen to my dad gloat how the players of his era “did it the right way”. I feel more cheated than the 1st time I went to an out of town Hooters and found out there was no truth in advertising. :(

      • 0bsessions 5 years ago


        Also to add to your point, considering he’s an admitted user of HGH, his case for the Hall is all but shot. He’s a solid player, a great middle of the rotation pitcher, but by all rights, he shouldn’t have a snowball’s chance of making the Hall.

        • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

          Mystique and Aura are dancers at a nightclub.

          • 0bsessions 5 years ago

            The nightclub that is Andy Pettitte’s Hall of Fame candidacy! YANKEE LEGEND FIRST BALLOT OMG

        • baseball33 5 years ago

          Never say never. If he didn’t make the Hall I believe I could be wrong, he would have the highest amount of wins with more than 100 games separating his wins from his losses. And he could still do it for I’ll say two more years and possibly finish with 270 wins. By the way the most wins in post season is huge. I’m not saying first ballot at all. I’m just saying never say never.

          • baseball33 5 years ago

            I meant highest amount of wins with more than 100 games separating his wins from his losses from any pitcher not in the Hall.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        (cough) Tom Glavine (atchu) 3.54 ERA (gazoontite) weaker division

        Some good and some meaningless stats (*) that still have weight with those that vote:

        *240 wins. 3.75 FIP mostly in the AL East, *Most post-season wins, *5 WS rings, *Most wins (+22 over the #2 guy) than any other pitcher since 1996.

        Off the top I can’t think of any lefty that has had 250 wins and wasn’t voted into the HOF. Jamie Moyer won’t do it because his numbers aren’t as good.

    • MDMV 5 years ago

      It just shows how the hall of fame has become a joke. It should be the best of the best. Some of the guys who make it are good players but not worthy of being in the hof

      • baseball33 5 years ago

        Two weeks ago I went to Copperstown and while I was walking through the Hall I thought there were more players from before 1950 that didn’t belong than after 1950.

        • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

          There are so many “Rabbit Marranville” (r.i.p) types voted in because of old teammates on the Vets Committee. I had a job that made mean learn about all these guys. Some of them (some Yanks included) don’t even measure up to guys like Fred McGriff or Keith Hernandez, guys who have been overlooked in our generation (some for good reasons).

          I’m still leading the Albert “Joey” Belle campaign though.

          • baseball33 5 years ago

            You can certainly make a case for him. I think he should have won the MVP in ’95. He wasn’t well liked and that will hurt him and make it harder for you. If he didn’t get hurt he’d be a lock. I believe he did it clean too. I’m going to get back to you about him and look into it more. I’ve always been a Lefty O’doul guy myself.

      • Chris1G 5 years ago

        Ryan Sandberg and Roberto Alomar come to mind

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          Best 2nd baseman of all time? Ya definitely shouldn’t be in the hall of fame

          • Chris1G 5 years ago

            which one they’re both good but by no means hall of famers they should be in the hall of the very good

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            A 2b w/ a great slash line of.300/.371/.443 w/ 200 + hrs, 2,700+ hits and 450 SB belongs in the HOF.

            Defensively, he may not have deserved most of those GG he got (according to WAR) but his overall WAR from 1988-2004 is more than any other 2B in baseball.

            In fact, take a step fwd and look at ALL 2B from 1900-2004 and the only 2B with higher WARs are Collins, Morgan, Lajoie, Gehringer, Carew, Fritsch and Whitaker and all are in the HOF except for Whitaker. He clearly was the best 2B of the 90’s.

          • Chris1G 5 years ago

            The thing for me is this. I’m not saying Alomar wasn’t a good player and I’m not saying Sandberg wasn’t a good player. My thing however is this. Everyone says that numbers are important and you have to have the numbers to get into the HOF compare Sandberg’s and Alomar’s numbers to Don Mattingly’s numbers. They are pretty much about even in every category except WS Alomar has 2, Sandberg and Mattingly have none. So what i don’t get is why those 2 get in no questions asked they “deserve to be there” but when it comes to Mattingly oh no there is no way he should even be considered. He played 2 seasons less than Sandberg and I think 3 less than Alomar. I just don’t understand what the other 2 did that is so great to deserve to be there. None of them have 3,000 hits or 500 homeruns or any other stat that really jumps out or seperates them from the others. That’s just my opinion though.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            Mattingly’s my doggie, but he’s 1B and Alomar is a 2B who had a much longer and defined career. That’s why Alomar belongs in and Mattingly will always fall short. When you can get that kind of offense from a 2B it’s simply a rarity.

  6. Getting Soriano was a no brainer which proves even more how bad Cashman has got to go. What happened in the 1996-2001 era when the Yankees turned every game into a 6 inning game? I believe they were in 5 World Series and won 4 of them and were a out away from becoming back to back to back to back World Champions.

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      people like you.

      • Well come talk to me when the Yankees win again based on this formula and now giving Crawford, Lee or any of the other high priced free agents the moon. It worked before and it can work again.

        • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

          I’m not a yankee fan. but thanks. They still don’t have the bullpen to shorten the games to 6 innings, and Soriano wasn’t a great signing considering they gave up a 1st round draft pick..

          luckily the yanks offense has the ability to over come its weaknesses.

          • MB923 5 years ago

            They gave up a Thirty First pick, not a First pick. People overvalue late draft picks a bit too much. Are you saying an all star reliever for 3 years (if healthy that is) is not worth a thirty first overall pick, who probably won’t even make the majors in 3 years?

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            Sorry dude. Rafael Soriano > 1st rnd pick.

            Question. If the Red Sox (who also tried to sign Soriano) needed a closer and the team that had him signed for the next 3 years @ 3/$30 asked for…Rizzo and Junichi Tazawa (before the surgery) would you not make that deal?

          • 0bsessions 5 years ago

            “Question. If the Red Sox (who also tried to sign Soriano) needed a closer and the team that had him signed for the next 3 years @ 3/$30 asked for…Rizzo and Junichi Tazawa (before the surgery) would you not make that deal? ”

            Wait, I’m not sure I understand the question. The wording’s a bit…odd. Are you asking if one would forgo acquiring Rizzo and Tazawa in favor of signing Soriano?

            If that’s the question, heck no I wouldn’t. Before his injury, Tazawa was tearing up the mid to high minors (98 IP, 2.57 ERA, 1.082 WHIP, 8.1 K/9, 3..38 K/BB) and his limited AAA innings were even better. If he comes back from TJ okay, Tazawa will likely be a solid back of the rotation starter or bullpen piece.

            Rizzo is projected to be a solid bat and, more importantly from a Sox fan perspective, was a key piece in acquiring Adrian Gonzalez.

            And Rizzo is the important part of the point here. Yes, we all understand that prospects don’t always pan out, but prospects that don’t pan out are constantly shifted around in trades for MLB impact players. That first round pick may never be an MLB starter, but he and two other prospects who may never be an MLB starter could net you an MLB starter.

            This year is a prime example of WHY the Yankees need to continue to maintain a good farm system, as they’ll likely need to spin prospects at the deadline for pitching if Pettitte doesn’t return or is ineffective if he does. If you go sacrificing high picks in an effort to sign a setup man, you are hurting your farm system, one way or the other.

            Think of it this way. The Yankees had the number nine system according to Keith Law, primarily based off of Montero and their pitching prospects. If the Yankees trade Montero and one of those pitching prospects for an impact player at the deadline, suddenly they’re likely out of the top ten. Meanwhile, the Red Sox are right behind them at number eleven.

            The difference going forward? 2011 is said to be the deepest draft in over a decade and the Sox have, at minimum, FIVE picks before the Yankees will get their first (Six if Lopez signs an MLB deal). Fast forward to 2012, Felix Hernandez is available. Those five or six extra high round picks the Red Sox made could be all the difference if the Sox and Yankees both go after him.

            Even IF Soriano pitches to last year’s standards for the life of his deal and doesn’t get injured or opt out, I STILL wouldn’t have given up a first rounder for him. Accounting for the fact he has the capability of opting out after this year and he has a lengthy injury history, the deal is extremely questionable when you look at the depth of this year’s draft and account for the fact that a team like the Yankees is more likely to use prospects as trade chips than filling holes with them at the MLB level than your average team.

  7. MDMV 5 years ago

    Colon, Duchscherer, Bonderman….those are some names that should make Yankee fans excited

  8. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    How do you omit the story about Cashman acknowledging the Red Sox have a much better roster than the Yankees?

    • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

      cashman’s been running his mouth a lot lately, its hard to keep up

    • Since_77 5 years ago

      I think he was just being honest. The Sox made some high vale additions this winter.
      He also commented that the Yankees have a very good team that went to game six of the ALCS and have a good chance of returning.

      • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

        to me it just sounds like Cashman is tired of having 49% control of the club and wants to move on.. How else can anyone explain that interview last week, in which he told the world that Joba can no longer be a starter, Jeter will be eventually moved to the OF, and that the Sox are a better 2011 club

        Now nothing he said was outrageous, coming from a fan or the media, it would create no stir.. but GM’s are usually not supposed to sit and gossip and unintentionally put down his only players, especially singling them out.. . As I watched I was waiting for him to tell everyone that Adam Dunn doesn’t like baseball and has no passion to play the game

        • Since_77 5 years ago

          You have to wonder which other ML team would give Cashman a GM position if he leaves the Yankees? He has operated with a huge financial advantage over any other franchise and even then has had some major busts (Pavano, Jared Wright, Kei Igawa, Javy Vasquez…..).

          • jb226 5 years ago

            I realize I’m not a ML team, but I would give him a go as a Cubs fan — and not just to replace Jim Hendry. If the GM job opened up and Cashman were one of a dozen options, there’s a strong chance I would go with him.

            Did he have major busts? Yeah. Every GM does. Pavano was primarily a bust because of injuries, which you can’t lay entirely at the GM’s feet, and Igawa is something I would lay more at the feet of the international scouts who obviously recommended him highly. The only one of those four that I think was a big deal was Vasquez, from a combination of “he has sucked in New York before” and giving up good talent to acquire him.

            Anyway, why would I give him a chance (even though I’m not a huge fan of him personally)? Because he seems to want to do things right. He wants to build from within. He wants to rely on his own, relatively cheap players. If you pair that drive with some good talent acquisitions and a decent-sized payroll, you have a recipe for long-term success. Imagine if you let the Rays spend $100MM a year. With their talent evaluation, their minor-league development, their focus on the draft — with all the great things they have going for them right this second, but also with the payroll means to keep the players they develop long-term if they’re interested in doing so, and to supplement their roster by making good free-agent signings to fill organizational holes.

            From a Cubs fan perspective, that would be a nice change. I never got the impression that Hendry has cared about the farm system except as it lets him occasionally pull the trigger on some trades. Having huge financial resources isn’t a strike against somebody so long as they understand that winning doesn’t necessarily always involve tapping them out. It lets you avoid or at least shorten some of those rebuilding periods and, as I said, to fill some holes with quality players, but it should be a fallback and not an expectation.

            There are only a few GMs in baseball that seem to truly understand that. Who can develop, can have a strong focus on their own systems and yet throw their payroll around to their advantage if the right situation develops. Epstein in Boston. Seemingly AA up in Toronto (though we’ve yet to see the “throw the budget around” portion). The Rays, but unfortunately only for a year or two at a time budget-wise. Atlanta. Is there anybody else, honestly? There are other teams out there with nice farm systems, but more out of necessity than out of an organizational philosophy.

            The fact that Cashman has been in New York, where he obviously HAS the budget but actually seems to NOT want to use it is not a negative for me, it’s a huge positive.

        • baseball33 5 years ago

          I don’t imagine you live in NY but if there is anyway you could see last Sunday’s Daily News on p.68. The picture of Cashman was certainly a sight to see.

          • Lunchbox45 5 years ago

            I do not, what pic was it?

          • baseball33 5 years ago

            I can’t believe it! He did it again. He’s on the back page of the Daily News today, and looks the same way he did when he was hanging off the side of the building. I really don’t want to write what I thinking but he has to stop this. It’s like when Obama was wearing flip-flops, it’s unacceptable. Enough with the spiked hair and highlights. George is probably rolling in his grave.

      • 0bsessions 5 years ago

        I wish people would stop citing the game six thing. The Red Sox took the 2008 ALCS to game seven and were leading said game for a good chunk of it. They went in to 2009 with the lineup from that season largely intact and managed to get swept out of the playoffs. The big difference between the 2008 and 2009 Red Sox? Lack of pitching depth and a subpar performance in the first half by a single key offensive contributor (Ortiz). Additionally, I would like to point out that we had one of the best bullpens in the MLB for the first half of ’09.

        A year and some starting pitching question marks can make a much bigger difference than people seem to realize.

        • Since_77 5 years ago

          “A year and some starting pitching question marks can make a much bigger difference”

          This is an opportunity for a good GM earns his money.

          • 0bsessions 5 years ago

            Now, by GM, are you referring to Cashman, Hal Steinbrenner or Randy Levine? Kind of hard to be sure these days.

          • slider32 5 years ago

            That gives the fans more to talk about, it keeps them in the news. It’s good marketing for the Yanks.

          • 0bsessions 5 years ago

            Maybe if this was the WWE. A gigantic rift forming in your team’s front office looks bad for the team and while it’ll generate hits on blogs and ESPN, it’s unlikely to increase ticket and jersey sales.

  9. Fangaffes 5 years ago

    “Manager Joe Girardi showed the kind of sway he has with the Yankees when he voted in favor of adding Rafael Soriano”

    If the choice was Soriano or not Soriano, that’s kind of a no-brainer and hardly worth reporting. If the choice was between Soriano or we’ll spend the money on a decent starter, that’s interesting.

  10. Rawlsian 5 years ago

    I think the Cash man knows he’s working on borrowed time here…..seems like he’s tired of this situation he’s in. Of course this is all speculation on my part but the writings on the wall, he won’t be back

    • Chris1G 5 years ago

      If and when Cashman leaves, I hope the Yankees don’t do a Al Davis/Jerry Jones type deal, where the owners think they know everything about their sport and figure they don’t need a GM they can handle it themselves.

      • baseball33 5 years ago

        No I don’t think that will happen. The Yankee senior adviser is still very much looking out. And I want to go on record saying do I really want him to walk, no I don’t. I just think he needs to re-appreciate the fact that the good lord made him a Yankee. I think he needs to come back to earth a little. The only stars on the Yankees are the ones on the field. If he wants to walk, do it. And don’t let the door hit you on the you know what, the way he did the same to many others who were certainly more of a Yankee than he is.

  11. CitizenSnips 5 years ago

    “then gambled on a former Cy Young winner who has been devastated by shoulder injuries in recent years.”

    A Cy Young winner whose year that year wasn’t even that fantastic. I know he won the damn award but why even attach that label to him?

  12. slider32 5 years ago

    Pettite come back and the Yanks and Sox are even. Fangraphs stats 2007-2010 show that the Yanks are better at C, SS, 3B, CF, and even at 1b, 2b, RF. The Sox are better at LF. The Sox starting pitching is better with the same pitchers as last year, while the Yanks with Nova project to have a 1.7 pitcher in the 5th spot, better than what they’ve had there for the last 6 years. The Sox line-up is younger which will help them, but the Yanks have 4 top players coming off down years. The Sox also have too key players coming off injuries. Both have great pens with the Yanks having a slight edge.

  13. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    I hate you! But the argument could be made as to having been a dynasty in the last decade. They do have the most WS titles in the 21st century :)

  14. tacko 5 years ago

    6 playoff appearances and two championships in the last decade doesn’t qualify as a dynasty? Or do the Yankees have to have a monopoly on all things glorifying?

  15. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    oh you’re so clever…look at you!! You sir are so funny!

  16. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    Nova was thrown in to the fire last year, and didn’t go up in flames..

    Again, I’m not saying he’s the next Pedro, but if he can keep the ball in the park, raise his k/9 and stay in games longer, he could be a very useful pitcher in the 5th spot..

    At this point I’d take him over big boy Colon, thats for sure

  17. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    Just goes to show…never argue with a dumb ***. Your rebuttal was astounding! Did you go to Harvard 😉

  18. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    well since…well nevermind. Great talk today!

  19. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    And award for worst jokes of the day go to JSJS( I can here the chants of “Jeter Sucks, Jeter Sucks” right now!)

  20. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Thanks for the love Theo! Lol! Actually anyone that knows baseball history would know that the Red Sox of the early 1900’s were baseballs first dynasty, before the Yankees!

  21. pollbuster2 5 years ago

    Yankees won in 2000, and 2009, so they’re tied for the most wins in the century. Yankees also played in more world series’, 2001, and 2003.

  22. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    I just love the sox man! Its stupid to have to defend your team to 14 yr old kids with prepubescent comments such as JSJS.

  23. bleachermon 5 years ago

    actually the Cubs were baseballs first dynasty. Sorry you dont even have that.

  24. that’s something to hang your hat on right there

  25. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    If I could keep the ball in the park, raise my k/9, and stay in games longer, I could be a very useful pitcher as well.

  26. Lunchbox45 5 years ago

    do you have a changeup?

  27. alphabet_soup5 5 years ago

    Tigers fan speaking, but from 1996-2003 (8 seasons), the Yankees went to the world series 6 times and won it 4 times. That trumps 2 trips to the series in 10 seasons.

    Playoff appearances have nothing to do with dynastys, wins do. Wouldn’t the Twins currently be a dynasty if they did?

  28. pollbuster2 5 years ago

    Yankees have 2 championships and 9 playoff appearances in the fist decade of the century.

  29. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    All dynasty’s are more than 2 titles! Examples are the Patriots, Steelers, Cowboys, Niners and Packers in the NFL, the Islanders, Oilers, Canadiens, and Red Wings in NHL( note the Bruins won 2 in early 1970’s but were not a dynasty), and the Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, and Pistons in NBA!

  30. Motor_City_Bombshell 5 years ago

    I have a knuckleball!! :)

  31. HowdyDoo11 5 years ago

    if he does, why not throw him a few million to start for the yanks?

  32. tacko 5 years ago

    The Red Sox have the second-most amount of wins the past decade in the MLB and the most titles as well. The Yankees have the most wins but the two teams have played in a far more competitive division than the Twins have.
    I’m not a Sox fan, but from the perspective of the last decade and the years to come with their lineup, potential of their rotation, and farm, they could see a far more devastating “dynasty” than the Yankees of the 90’s-00’s.

  33. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Wrong,2 titles don’t make the Cubs a dynasty! Most people would demand a minimum of 3 titles in 6 yrs to be considered a dynasty! The Red Sox won in 1912, 1915, 1916 and 1918! Baseballs first dynasty!

  34. ltdibo020 5 years ago

    Why is Andy Pettite sick?? “can’t stay healthy”? Andy Pettite…not!!
    This guy has been healthy his whole career anybody can get hurt or even get a disease that they have to battle. Athletes bounce back..
    He pitches well in big games as his lifetime record indicates and I disagree its a big factor…I think the Yanks and Red Sox are about even with Pettite in the rotation.
    I agree with slider and he uses legitimate stats to back it up…rather than “you are just kidding yourself if”

  35. diabl0312 5 years ago

    Especially when you are trolling around a Yankees-based thread…Right genius???

    The Red Sox had one dynasty, from 1912-1918 where they won 4 times in the span of 7 years.

    The Yankees have had 4 dyansties so far.
    1. 1921-1928 (6 AL Pennants and 3 World Series titles in 8 years)
    2. 1936-1943 (7 AL pennants and 6 World Series championships in 8 years)
    3. 1949 to 1964 (14 AL pennants and 9 World Series championships in 16 years)
    4. 1996 to 2001 (5 AL pennants, and 4 World Series championships in 6 years)

    As pointed out before both the Yankees and the Sox won twice this past decade, with the Yankees making the playoffs 9 times and the Sox making it 6. Neither were dynasties by any means.

    Get your facts straight or go spout your crap at the Cask ‘n Flaggon where people might actually listen to your nonsense.

  36. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    wow…you sir are cranky!! Pretty sure I never bached your beloved yanks, I just said and argument could be made…and it could be made! I never said anything to insult you or the yanks. And if you read any of my post you would know that I am pretty reasonable in my statements and try to be unbiased as possible. Yes I love the red sox, but I also love baseball! I have zero respect for ppl like you who make absurd statements!

  37. diabl0312 5 years ago

    I could care less about your respect. An argument cannot be made. My comment was made to break up the love fest between you and “RedSoxDynasty” and to prove how incredibly off-base your preceding comments were.

    I posted all the facts that could be involved with any statement, thus proving your comments to be nonsense and completely biased. You have no basis whatsoever, so please by all means resort to trying to call me cranky or absurd, as it only proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no argument.

    Thanks for proving my point though by calling facts absurd. I do appreciate that.

  38. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    No argument can be made…hmm

    Who won the most world series titles in the past 10 seasons???

    UMMM hmmm…ummm the RED SOX!!! This would make them more of a dynasty compared to the rest of MLB correct? Thought so!!! Thanks for playing!!!!

  39. diabl0312 5 years ago

    I love it. “Who won the most world series titles in the past 10 seasons???” You sox trolls are all the same. “Oh yeah! Who won the most WS in odd years, on the night of a full moon, and on Tuesdays! OH YEAH I GOT YOU!”

    In terms of the decade of 2000-2010 it’s:
    Yankees – 2 WS Titles, 4 Appearances
    Red Sox – 2 WS Titles, 2 Appearances

    The Phillies are more of a dynasty than the Sox were dude, at least they could get there in back to back years. Your Sox couldn’t even make the playoffs a year after winning; that’s a real mark of a “dyansty!” What a joke!

  40. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    HAHA Hook, Line and Sinker! You are a moron. Please look at the definition of a decade for me…better yet I will help you:

    “officially a ten-year period beginning with the year 1, as 1921-1930″

    Now I will list all of the WS champs of the past decade

    2001 Arizona Diamondback
    2002 Anaheim Angels
    2003 Florida Marlins
    2005 Chicago White Sox
    2006 St. Louis Cardinals
    2008 Philadelphia Phillies
    2009 New York Yanks
    2010 San Fran Giants

    So in the past 10 seasons which team has won the WS the most? Now I never said the sox were a dynasty I just said a case can be made and over the past decade they have won the most championships! That is a pretty strong case wouldnt you agree, of course you wouldnt bc you think I some bandwagon moron sox fan when you have no idea who I am or what I think. You have been the one to group your self into the antagonizing yanks fans. Once again, I have not started any argument that I can not back up?



  41. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    You are embarassing yourself….learn to count to ummm at least 10!

  42. diabl0312 5 years ago

    I see the finer points of sarcasm clearly escape your feeble little mind. For the records as stated by you:

    “Now I never said the sox were a dynasty I just said a case can be made and over the past decade they have won the most championships!”

    What does this mean then: “But the argument could be made as to having been a dynasty in the last decade. ”

    I can count all too well, and by my last count it is 27 to 6.

    You are a troll. You spend all your time on Yankee-related forums because you have nothing better to do with your pathetic little life. You ignore facts as stated by calling them absurd and you applaud yourself as if you make a point. The only you got right is your handle; as you live in a fantasy world!

    What a joker!

  43. diabl0312 5 years ago

    I’m glad you took the time to look up a decade, I’m sure you had to do it because you weren’t sure yourself. Despite the actual definition being there, how many people do you know who refer to the year 2000 as part of the 90’s???

    The only ones that do are pathetic Sox fans who try to make a meager point when they just got dominated in every way possible in an argument.

    The funny part is, even if I submitted to your point about the definition of a decade, I still have about 7 more points on you. So that’s fine, I’ll take that any day!

  44. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    “how many people do you know who refer to the year 2000 as part of the 90’s???

    The only ones that do are pathetic Sox fans”

    umm and WEBSTER DICTIONARY, oh and by the way you asked your question and then started a whole new paragraph to answer it…you should have just double spaced GENIUS!

  45. bleachermon 5 years ago

    Your associate fantasy theo argued the red sox as the new dynasty with their 2 titles in the last 10 years yet i dont see you disputing that. No there has only been one true dynasty in baseball. The New York Yankees.

  46. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Only an idiot would dispute that the Yankees are baseballs greatest dynasty, or that the Red Sox were baseballs first true dynasty!

  47. RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

    Theos got his own opinion which is fine. You, on the otherhand, are just being a homer by acknowledging what everyone knows about the Yankees, while disregarding the Fact that the Red Sox were the games first dynasty before the Yankees took over!

  48. diabl0312 5 years ago

    Hahahahahahaha! “Webster Dictionary!!” What a clown! Isn’t that cute, your boyfriend came back to “like” your post!

    Are you really going to degenerate this thread even more going to the whole “I’m going to try and pick on your grammar” tactic? You pathetic little mook! I have to say I find it hilarious how many sox fans comment on Yankee-only related posts though. You guys have illegitimate step-child syndrome something fierce!

    I am done with you and your mindless statements. I hope I don’t have to call you out on your moronic comments again, but sadly I am sure you will be trolling the next Yankee-only thread that comes up, as you clearly have nothing better to do!

    Good luck to you and your team this year dude.

  49. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    why are you accusing me of trolling? I comment on ever team. including but not limited to the yanks! According to your post all you do is argue with other people an have not made one logical post about baseball!

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