Yankees Notes: Jeter, Colon, Pettitte, Girardi

The latest on the Yankees, who signed Bartolo Colon to a minor league deal yesterday…

  • GM Brian Cashman told John Harper of the New York Daily News that he talked to Derek Jeter's agent, Casey Close, to clarify comments he made earlier in the week about a potential move to the outfield for the captain.
  • As Joel Sherman of the New York Post points out, both the Yankees and the Rangers pursued Cliff Lee aggressively, then "gambled on a former Cy Young winner who has been devastated by shoulder injuries in recent years." But Colon is a back-of-the-rotation arm, not a true alternative to Lee. Brandon Webb, the Rangers' new addition, is no sure thing either.
  • The Yankees are upbeat about the chances that Andy Pettitte returns for another season, according to Sherman. They're still considering free agents like Justin Duchscherer and Jeremy Bonderman, though.
  • The Yankees believe history is a 'pull' for Pettitte, Sherman writes. He can progress through Yankees records and add to his Hall of Fame case if he plays more.
  • Manager Joe Girardi showed the kind of sway he has with the Yankees when he voted in favor of adding Rafael Soriano, according to Sherman.


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116 Comments on "Yankees Notes: Jeter, Colon, Pettitte, Girardi"


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RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

Why would Girardi vote against acquiring Soriano? Its just money after all!

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money941
4 years 5 months ago

I think the gamble of Duchscherer is worth it, he’d be the 5th starter and would keep Mitre or Nova out of a regular rotation spot. A rotation of CC, Pettite, Hughes, Burnett, and Duchscherer isn’t bad at all. It’s at least enough to get to the trade deadline and see what’s out there (possibly Carmona or Liriano?)

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

why are yankee fans determined to keep Nova out of the rotation.. as a young kid last year he held his own after being thrown in

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4 years 5 months ago

I agree, I want to see Nova in competition for the 5th spot with the rest of the guys if Pettite returns. CC, Burnett, Pettite, Hughes, and ?. If they sign Duchscherer then they have a good set of guys competing for the spot.

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BaseballFanatic0707
4 years 5 months ago

Nova has no secondary pitches that are truly developed.

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Probably for the same reason the Sox probably aren’t gonna see Jose Iglesias starting at SS this year. He’s a solid player but time in the minors would probably be more beneficial to him at this point.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

way to compare apples and bowling balls there champ..

Yankees have a pitching need and they have a 23 year old kid with potential..maybe not ace potential. but solid back of the rotation potential.

Where as Iglesias had a .315 OBP in AA, granted he was only 20 and has a lot of time and room to grow, he CLEARLY isn’t ready for the big leagues… add to that the sox have 2 capable SS’s already on the roster, and your comparison makes even less sense..good job

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 5 months ago

Well he actually might help us with the BIG LEADS, since he has phenomenal defensive skills! With that being said he is not ready for the Big Leagues…

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

yes, great defensively and could become a good player, but the point is he’s not ready.

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Ben_Cherington
4 years 5 months ago

I hope you noticed I was pointing out that you wrote “big leads”. It was my subtle way of telling you, you had the wrong word in your previous statement without making you look bad… That def flew your head!! haha its a good thing I like you!

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

subtlety has never been my strong suit

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

to your credit, i could’ve been more clear. I know that these aren’t parallel situations by any means but i used this example for lack of a better one. Where Nova could help the yankees, it would probably be in their best interest to keep him in the minors for a while longer.

I know Iglesias is not yet MLB ready but Marco Scutaro is penciled in as the starting SS and Iglesias would most likely be an improvement over him. Nova could help the yankees but if they are thinking long term, they should keep him in the minors.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

not to keep arguing but

2011 Scutaro >>>>>>>>>>> 2011 Iglesias

He’s just not offensively developed yet, he would absolutely struggle at the major league level if he was brought up prematurely

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Fair enough on Iglesias and Scutaro. But that doesn’t change the fact that Nova would be a gamble for the yankees. He could use some more time to develop and thats why it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing for the yankees to sign a back of the rotation guy.

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Since_77
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t think they can keep him out. Most teams carry at least six starters and Pettitte is going to be 39 this year.

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LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 5 months ago

I am a Yankee fan who liked Nova. If he can just learn to pitch with runners on and not let it snowball he should be a good pitcher. Same thing with freaking Burnett.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

difference is age and maturity.. nova is 23 with a chance to figure things like that out..

Burnett is 33 and people are still waiting for him to figure it out

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pollbuster2
4 years 5 months ago

It’s not that Burnett hasn’t figured it out, it’s that he’s been inconsistent.

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jjs91
4 years 5 months ago

we’re not, or at least im not i want him there to start the year, im confident nova can be a backend starter at this point.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

Aside from the poster above. I think most Yanks fans want Nova in the rotation. Nova is pretty much guaranteed a spot next year even if Pettitte had returned.

I think it goes, and Cashman said so before:

If Pettitte then Nova @ the 5 spot.
If no Pettitte then Nova @ either of the 4 or 5 plus some other pick up or they might go with two rookies, Nova plus one of Phelps/Noesi/Mitchell w/ a long shot for Brackman or Warren. Also add Colon to that mist now.

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Since_77
4 years 5 months ago

Let’s see if the Twins try to buy the rest of his arbitration years by signing Liriano to an extension like the Reds did for Cueto. I hear they have some stud pitchers in the minors that are almost ML ready like Kyle Gibson. Maybe they will make him (Liriano) available. They also have Brian Duensing they can work into their rotation

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TwinsVet
4 years 5 months ago

They will not make Liriano available. They’re looking hard to acquire another ace, not sell their only one.

Gibson fell into the late early rounds because he had a fresh arm injury. Pre-injury he was projected to go 5-10th overall. He’s no Liriano, make no mistake. He doesn’t even project to be an ace. His ceiling is closer to a #2-3 guy. He’s just getting press because he’s progressed so quickly through the minors, and is our next best option for rotation help.

At present, there is nobody in our farm who has real ace potential. Hence, the Twins will do everything they can to keep Liriano around.

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TwinsVet
4 years 5 months ago

Sorry, Liriano’s not going anywhere. Your days of treating the Twins like your personal farm system are long gone.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

so you’re saying that I wasted 100 bucks on a Yankees Joe Mauer Jersey??? :S

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MB923
4 years 5 months ago

Can’t hurt as much as those who spent 100 bucks on a Yankees Cliff Lee jersey

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$1519287
4 years 5 months ago

Actually Yankee jerseys don’t have names on the back so all jerseys will be of use at some point.

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Chris1G
4 years 5 months ago

They still have the Royals to use for a farm system

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4 years 5 months ago

Yeah, Liriano is the Twins best pitcher by a mile, under affordable team control for 2 more years on a contending team, so he’s really not going anywhere.

On the other hand, Carmona’s probably available now if you want him. Which I’m not really sure you do.

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Since_77
4 years 5 months ago

I guess Justin Duchscherer is the best of the rest but once has he only over 100 innings in a season or made more that 20 starts. His best seasons were coming out of the bullpen.

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schellis
4 years 5 months ago

Bartolo Colon isn’t a true alternative to Cliff Lee. I’m so glad the reporter took the time to point that one out.

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4 years 5 months ago

“add to his Hall of Fame case if he plays more”

That’s a good laugh.

Hall of Fame Case of Beer?

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

no Cy youngs, no top 10 in mvp voting, 3.88 career era… hmm yea, doesn’t look likely..

he had a good career, but he’s no hall of famer

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start_wearing_purple
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t think it would matter if Pettitte had an era of 3.00 and 3,000 strikeouts. Considering the reluctance to let even suspected steroid users in and Pettitte has admitted to using HGH, I’d say his chances are close to nil.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

perhaps, although the way in which he handled it as lead to far less criticisms than players who continue to deny. . the dark cloud of performance enhancing drugs doesn’t hover over Andy for some reason

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

I think that’s probably the biggest reason he may not get in. He and Clemens willbe linked hand in hand in the steroid controversy. The only way he MIGHT get them to overlook that is because he was the only one that admitted to it DESPITE the obvious fact that he was more compelled to admit it. I don’t know if Tejada qualifies for HOF consideration or not (HR total as a SS)? All the others who were caught after they started testing (Manny) or publicly denied or avoided answering once they were exposed will have a tougher time than Pettitte probably despite being way more deserving (Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro).

Can I just state how f*C^ed my chilldhood favorites have turned out? I forver have to listen to my dad gloat how the players of his era “did it the right way”. I feel more cheated than the 1st time I went to an out of town Hooters and found out there was no truth in advertising. :(

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0bsessions
4 years 5 months ago

YANKEE GREAT POSTSEASON RESUME MYSTIQUE INTANGIBLES GAMER!!!

Also to add to your point, considering he’s an admitted user of HGH, his case for the Hall is all but shot. He’s a solid player, a great middle of the rotation pitcher, but by all rights, he shouldn’t have a snowball’s chance of making the Hall.

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start_wearing_purple
4 years 5 months ago

Mystique and Aura are dancers at a nightclub.

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0bsessions
4 years 5 months ago

The nightclub that is Andy Pettitte’s Hall of Fame candidacy! YANKEE LEGEND FIRST BALLOT OMG

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baseball33
4 years 5 months ago

Never say never. If he didn’t make the Hall I believe I could be wrong, he would have the highest amount of wins with more than 100 games separating his wins from his losses. And he could still do it for I’ll say two more years and possibly finish with 270 wins. By the way the most wins in post season is huge. I’m not saying first ballot at all. I’m just saying never say never.

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baseball33
4 years 5 months ago

I meant highest amount of wins with more than 100 games separating his wins from his losses from any pitcher not in the Hall.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

(cough) Tom Glavine (atchu) 3.54 ERA (gazoontite) weaker division

Some good and some meaningless stats (*) that still have weight with those that vote:

*240 wins. 3.75 FIP mostly in the AL East, *Most post-season wins, *5 WS rings, *Most wins (+22 over the #2 guy) than any other pitcher since 1996.

Off the top I can’t think of any lefty that has had 250 wins and wasn’t voted into the HOF. Jamie Moyer won’t do it because his numbers aren’t as good.

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MDMV
4 years 5 months ago

It just shows how the hall of fame has become a joke. It should be the best of the best. Some of the guys who make it are good players but not worthy of being in the hof

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baseball33
4 years 5 months ago

Two weeks ago I went to Copperstown and while I was walking through the Hall I thought there were more players from before 1950 that didn’t belong than after 1950.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

There are so many “Rabbit Marranville” (r.i.p) types voted in because of old teammates on the Vets Committee. I had a job that made mean learn about all these guys. Some of them (some Yanks included) don’t even measure up to guys like Fred McGriff or Keith Hernandez, guys who have been overlooked in our generation (some for good reasons).

I’m still leading the Albert “Joey” Belle campaign though.

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baseball33
4 years 5 months ago

You can certainly make a case for him. I think he should have won the MVP in ’95. He wasn’t well liked and that will hurt him and make it harder for you. If he didn’t get hurt he’d be a lock. I believe he did it clean too. I’m going to get back to you about him and look into it more. I’ve always been a Lefty O’doul guy myself.

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Chris1G
4 years 5 months ago

Ryan Sandberg and Roberto Alomar come to mind

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

Best 2nd baseman of all time? Ya definitely shouldn’t be in the hall of fame

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Chris1G
4 years 5 months ago

which one they’re both good but by no means hall of famers they should be in the hall of the very good

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

A 2b w/ a great slash line of.300/.371/.443 w/ 200 + hrs, 2,700+ hits and 450 SB belongs in the HOF.

Defensively, he may not have deserved most of those GG he got (according to WAR) but his overall WAR from 1988-2004 is more than any other 2B in baseball.

In fact, take a step fwd and look at ALL 2B from 1900-2004 and the only 2B with higher WARs are Collins, Morgan, Lajoie, Gehringer, Carew, Fritsch and Whitaker and all are in the HOF except for Whitaker. He clearly was the best 2B of the 90’s.

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Chris1G
4 years 5 months ago

The thing for me is this. I’m not saying Alomar wasn’t a good player and I’m not saying Sandberg wasn’t a good player. My thing however is this. Everyone says that numbers are important and you have to have the numbers to get into the HOF compare Sandberg’s and Alomar’s numbers to Don Mattingly’s numbers. They are pretty much about even in every category except WS Alomar has 2, Sandberg and Mattingly have none. So what i don’t get is why those 2 get in no questions asked they “deserve to be there” but when it comes to Mattingly oh no there is no way he should even be considered. He played 2 seasons less than Sandberg and I think 3 less than Alomar. I just don’t understand what the other 2 did that is so great to deserve to be there. None of them have 3,000 hits or 500 homeruns or any other stat that really jumps out or seperates them from the others. That’s just my opinion though.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

Mattingly’s my doggie, but he’s 1B and Alomar is a 2B who had a much longer and defined career. That’s why Alomar belongs in and Mattingly will always fall short. When you can get that kind of offense from a 2B it’s simply a rarity.