East Notes: Jones, Buchholz, Papelbon, Rizzo, Jays

Some news about the various beasts of the eastern baseball world…


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50 Comments on "East Notes: Jones, Buchholz, Papelbon, Rizzo, Jays"


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Duncan
4 years 5 months ago

The Jays are obviously set at 2nd, as long as 2010 Hill doesn’t show up in 2011.

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iains
4 years 5 months ago

I’d prefer the 2009 Hill

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

its sad.. even in his “good” year … his OBP was a very pedestrian .330

I think jays fans just need to come to grips that Aaron Hill just isn’t that good of a baseball player.

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

agreed. The near future Jays infield should be:
SS – Hech
2B – Yoo Nel
3B – Lawrie

I hope that Hill bounces back bigtime this year, and the Jays can sell high. I love hill, good ball player, but isn’t quite the all star we need to compete in the east.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

Aaron Hills reputation to the fan base has always bothered me. I mean he seems like a nice well liked guy, I have nothing against him, he’s just way way way overrated.

To me he has been one of the biggest flaws on the team the last few years, not him personally but the idea that its okay to not get on base as long as you’re hitting the ball out of the park.. That mindset is okay from your firstbaseman and DH but not your second baseman…

I hate to come off sounding like a hater, but the guy has had an OPS over .800 just one time in his career. His career OBP is .325.. He’s no longer a spring chicken, he’s one of the oldest players on the team.. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if AA doesn’t pick up Hill’s options…

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

When does AA need to make a decision on his options? Is it before opening day TY? If its next year, the options should help AA make a trade, if Hills performance bounces back.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

Before opening day they need to decide if they want to pick up his 3 year option, worth $26 million.

If they don’t pick up his 3 year option, after the 2011 world series they can either a) release him in to free agency b) select 1 more year at 8 million c) 2 more years at 16 million

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

What a brilliant contract by AA. With that said, I doubt the Jays pick up the 3 year option. Hill, like Bautista, needs another year to prove their worth.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

Definitely a stroke of genius with the contract…

I agree with you, no chance the 3 year option is picked up… but if he has a rebound year they can at least pick up the 2 year option for him

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

Also, to your point.. we may see that infield.. or you may see us picking up a 2B and selling high on escobar.. with the SS market how it is right now, you might get some teams that will pay a hefty price for Esco, provided he has another 09 type season..

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Could happen. We could also see Lawrie in the OF as well, where some scouts project his position. The thing with AA, is you can never tell where his head is at with anything. Plus for the team, frustrating at times for the fans.

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Karkat
4 years 5 months ago

I still can’t imagine a world in which Papelbon’s ego allows him to accept arbitration after this season.

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4 years 5 months ago

I think if he has a pretty lousy season his agent will be able to convince him that $15M with a chance to rebuild value is the right move.

If he has anything resembling a solid season or better he probably declines, which is what the Red Sox are banking on.

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Karkat
4 years 5 months ago

I suppose so, but I figure Pap can’t possibly be worse than he was last season. He just needs to remember how to actually locate a fastball >_>

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

and how to hold the ball to throw a splitter. which is what I believe he will do all of spring training, that and ditching that “new delivery” he had last year, he wasnt very deceptive with his ball.

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CitizenSnips
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t get it. If Paps shows even more decline why can’t he receive the downgrade in pay he deserves? I know arbiters rarely go down but they should really start doing that more often.

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BoSoxSam
4 years 5 months ago

I’m a little confused about that too…Why wouldn’t Boston just make Papelbon the lowest possible arbitration offer they can to ensure he doesn’t accept? Is there a rule against that or something?

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4 years 5 months ago

Boston can make the lowest possible arbitration offer, but that doesn’t help their cause. Papelbon submits his own number and if the Red Sox’s number is too unrealistic, the arbitrator will choose Papelbon’s number and he’ll end up earning more than he probably would’ve if Boston had put forth a more reasonable number.

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BoSoxSam
4 years 5 months ago

Oh, duh yeah….didn’t really think it all the way through, thanks. 😛

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Karkat
4 years 5 months ago

It is, however, completely ridiculous that a player never sees a decline in salary via arbitration.

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LesterISBester
4 years 5 months ago

You don’t understand arbitration. If papelbon and the sox exchange figures and can’t strike a deal it goes to an “arbitrator” hense the name arbitration. The arbitrators job is to take into consideration all aspects of the case and award the player with the ammount they feel they are worth. That’s more or less how it works.

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RahZid
4 years 5 months ago

OBJECTION! The arbitrator doesn’t assign the amount they feel the player is worth. They award the player one of the submitted figures which most closely represents the players value. The arbitrator does not get to make up their own numbers.

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4 years 5 months ago

I think that is what Lester meant. The relevant amounts considered by the arbitrator being the ones submitted.

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

sustained.

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4 years 5 months ago

Overruled.

Well, not really. But there hasn’t been one so far.

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RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

Because no one cried for Papelbon when he was a lights out all-star closer making league minimum his first 2 years and 3,6, and 9 million the following all-star seasons as well! 6 years/31 million for a dominant closer is a steal and this is why i laugh when people cry about him making 12 million for 1 subpar season. Sorta like those complaining about Big Papi even though he was making 6 million while hitting .300,40,130 every year!

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RahZid
4 years 5 months ago

It’s probably because it’s arb season, but I keep seeing dumb comments about how arbitrators assign values to players, it’s driving me insane.

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4 years 5 months ago

The arbitration process is sort of a mess… it doesn’t really surprise me that people don’t make the effort to understand exactly how it works.

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dodgers33dodgers
4 years 5 months ago

I read this article on espn and thought it was cool…talks about different clauses in players contracts!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove10/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=6032779