Looking At The Blue Jays’ Future Salary Obligations

A case can be made that Friday's Vernon Wells trade was the most significant move of the offseason. The Angels took on his entire contract, freeing up a ton of present and future payroll for the Blue Jays. Wells is scheduled to make $23MM in 2011 and then another $21MM each season from 2012-2014, and it's fairly obvious how shedding that much of an obligation will allow GM Alex Anthopoulos to improve his team.

Now that Wells is off the books, let's use Cot's Baseball Contracts to see what the Jays are on the hook for over the next few seasons. This is guaranteed money only, so arbitration and pre-arbitration contracts are not included. Same with option years, only the buyouts are counted since that's the only portion of the contract that is guaranteed.

Aaron Hill's contract contains club options for 2012 ($8MM), 2013 ($8MM), and 2014 ($10MM) with no buyouts, though the 2014 option goes away if the team does not exercise all three before this upcoming season. Either way, it seems like a safe bet that at least the 2012 option will be picked up, increasing that season's total obligation to a still modest $25.4MM. 

Toronto holds seven of the first 80 picks in next June's draft, including the Angels' second rounder for Scott Downs, and Anthopoulos has emphasized that method of talent acquisition since taking over. A portion of the Wells savings could be spent there. The club is also set up well for a run at either Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder next offseason, should they choose to go that route. 

It was just 18 months ago that the Blue Jays owed over $160MM to Wells and Alex Rios, yet today they owe the pair nothing. Those savings can go a long way towards building the next playoff team in Toronto.


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276 Comments on "Looking At The Blue Jays’ Future Salary Obligations"


4 years 6 months ago

Tony Reagins should be fired for this.

Pete
4 years 6 months ago

Absolutely mind-blowing, but it was not his call to hate Mike Napoli so much that they had to get rid of him, that would be Mike “Tony Soprano” “I have a 10 year contract so I can pull crap like this” Scioscia’s fault.

I guess the 10 year deal to Scioscia is also hurting the team more than helping it.

wickedkevin
4 years 6 months ago

It’s hard to say. Scioscia is a guy who manages around speed and manufacturing runs. First off, they lost Lackey, Santana began to pitch badly, and Nick (R.I.P.) Adenhart was killed in a car accident. He lost lost Figgins, Teixeira, K-Rod, Shields went downhill, Vlad, while Abreu had a slump year. It’s hard to blame it all on him.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

abreu has been one of the most consistent guys in baseball always hitting what at least 20 hrs, stealing 20 bases and getting 100 rbis with a few down years here and there…including last year but he still his 20 hrs and stole 24 bases, the move to DH will do him wonders. Cant blame him for that, and you cant blame him for tex when they had kendry. the year they lost tex to the yankees that first season tex and kendry has almost identical seasons. and no one could have prodicted the broken leg….he should have forced the ownership to make a harder move at figgens. Lackey’s loss was fine because of the rest of their staff

redsreignbegins
4 years 6 months ago

Unfortunately, Joey Votto came to mind looking at that miniscule 2014 financial committment list.

4 years 6 months ago

Couple these savings with the richest owners in the MLB and what appears to be a smart GM and the Jays look set up for success.

4 years 6 months ago

The Canadian dollar’s parody with the US Dollar also plays a role in this. All else being equal, the Jay’s don’t have to sell 110 ticket for every 100 that a US team sells. That’s like a 10% bump in the budget right there over the past 5 years.

4 years 6 months ago

Right now the tax difference is a bigger issue than the exchange rate.

4 years 6 months ago

The tax difference? That is the most bogus excuse Ive ever heard and continue to hear. When you are talking millions of dollars, the taxes are virtually identical

Csox6
4 years 6 months ago

Not really, seeing as taxes are percentages. So the BoSox pay proportionally more than the Rays.

4 years 6 months ago

The difference between the taxes for a player in Florida and Canada is about a sixth of the gross.

4 years 6 months ago

If you have the right accountant and you dont maintain a permanant residence as an American/International (non Canadian) born player, you can pretty much even out the numbers. Also, if we are talking about someone in the category of a Puhols, then what are the chances he ends up anywhere near Florida with what will be at least a 22-25 mil a year contract…

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

First its spelled Pujols, and second it will be a little more than 22-25 buddy, try 28-30.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

not that it makes him harder to sign for the Jays. Only question is if Cards resign him

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

what??? Canada is so nice they tax you twice!

4 years 6 months ago

Heh, that was a funny typo. I assume you meant parity.

4 years 6 months ago

I never do this, but it’s “parity”, not “parody”. Parody means something else entirely.

chris
4 years 6 months ago

The Blue Jays were already a good team heading into ’11 before a drug-induced Tony Reagins made the Wells trade.

The Blue Jays are on the way up, just like the O’s.

The AL East is the only tough division in baseball. It’s a monster division.

Taskmaster75
4 years 6 months ago

I think the NL Central is getting back up there actually, it might even be the 2nd best division in baseball. The Brewers seem back to form after addressing their biggest need in a big way. The Cubs will at least get back to a mediocre state, as their rotation is not bad, and the Cardinals and Reds are expected to be as good as they usually are.

wickedkevin
4 years 6 months ago

NL East? Marlins improved their bullpen. Nationals have Harper, Strasburg, Werth, and Ramos. Braves got Uggla. And the Mets exist. heh.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

one flaw in the NL east…strasburg wont pitch at all this year and no one knows how TJ will affect him so early in his career(i as a baseball fan hope he comes back fine and does not rush anything, i would love to see him throughout his full career) and harper more than likely will not see the majors untill 2012 at the very very very earliest more likely 2013…remeber he is only like 18 years old there is a ton of adjustments from JR college level to the mlb(consider highschool baseball is different from JUCO, JUCO is different from NCAA, NCAA is different from low-A, etc, etc get my point) same with ramos he probably wont crack the big team untill 2012

4 years 6 months ago

marlins will be competing soon, and JUCO or not he was hitting 500+ foot bombs at 16.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

Good news on Strasburg is he is already rehabbing and is ahead of schedule, dont think TJ will affect this guy.

4 years 6 months ago

The Mets are not going to be a pushover. They had their whole house fall down around them last season and they were still a .500 team. They lost about 120 games combined between their 1, 4, and 5 hitters, and their #1 starter.

I don’t think they’re going to be a World Series contender or anything, but they have the potential to still be competitive even in a year in which they’re running out the clock on their bad contracts.

quintjs
4 years 6 months ago

Here is the problem with the NL Central. Yes you have the Reds and the Cardinals. And they are good teams, add in the Brewers if things go right with the SP and bullpen and thats interesting. The Cubs have talent (they just lost it), and the Astros are not terrible. But exactly none of those teams are going to worry the Phillies. The Cubs and Brewers are going downhill – Cubs are older and worse and Brewers are going about to lose their best player. I would contend the division as a whole is getting worse. The improving division in the NL is the east. Nationals, Marlins, Braves are building some nice pieces but it isn’t a tough division.

The AL East is a flat out monster division because at the moment, the favourite for the division finished third last year and won 89 games. That is better than all NL Central teams bar the Reds (who won 2 more). Take out the injuries the Red Sox had, and you could have had 3 AL East teams with better records than the NL Central champion. 4 AL East teams finished above .500. (only 2 for the NL Central). This is why the AL East is scary – as much as people talk about they beat up eachother, the division as a whole destroys the rest of baseball.

We do need to remember something about the Blue Jays here. Everyone loves the trade form their perspective (and rightly so) but they didn’t exactly make the 2011 team better – they traded one of their better players for a catcher who can’t catch, so 1B/DH and an outfielder no one really wants. They won the trade because they freed up money they may nor may not spend soon. As a Red Sox fan it makes me worry, but not about 2011, about 2015.

jwsox
4 years 6 months ago

the brewers best player became zack greinke this off season..yeah they will lose prince but they could have a chance that he comes back through arb with the flooded 1st base market next season..

As for the players the BJs got…Napoli fills one big hole in the lineup for the blues…he will play either first or DH along with lind(who ever is better there with the glove in ST will get the job the other will DH) They moved Wells to slot davis in there…yes davis wont hit for the power wells will. but he is a solid .280+ avg hitter with a career .330 obp(not great not bad) who has 50 stolen base speed, he did it last yar and the defense is less with davis but not enough to kill you but the big thing is the money spent….juan will either start in left, be a back up LF/RF/DH/1st, or traded again either way its a win no matter wat

Taskmaster75
4 years 6 months ago

I never argued that the NL Central was better, I said they were the 2nd best, that’s all. We are in full agreement that the AL East is the best division. Just talking about who is behind :).

And if you don’t think the Phillies will be threatened by the Cardinals, and perhaps the Reds, I sincerely doubt your judgement.

Andy Mc
4 years 6 months ago

Don’t compare the Jays to the OrioLOLs, please. Thank you.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

O’s will probably finish better than Jays in 2011.
Though, the chances of O’s making PO in this decade is much, MUCH lower than the Jays’

4 years 6 months ago

If only we could make bets over MLBTR….

4 years 6 months ago

The Jays were 19 games better than Baltimore in 2010. What improvements have the Orioles made to make up such a huge gap? Some of their young guys will likely improve (Wieters, Matusz, etc.) but you think Reynolds and Derrek Lee are going to make that up? Even if the Jays slide back 7-8 games (Marcum/Wells trades), I don’t see Baltimore passing Toronto this year.

iains
4 years 6 months ago

Is that recycled from last year? I could swear people were saying “O’s will probably finish better than Jays in 2010″

djfanon
4 years 6 months ago

Just like last year eh…

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

anybody who thinks the 2010 Jays were not an anomaly is crazy
however i do admit that im taking a wild guess that O’s will improve drastically

WarvsBA
4 years 6 months ago

Jays records the last 5 years. 85, 75, 86, 83, 87. most years finishing 15 games better then the O’s. So I don’t see how it was such an anomaly, more like 2009 was the anomaly. I don’t think the Jays will win 85+ next year but will defiantly be better then the O’s barring red sox like health problems. I know your not saying this but i find it so funny how O’s fans say it was a fluke year for the jays but say how good the O’s have become since they got buck sholwalter like that is not an anomaly.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

tell me, were the jays a better team going into 2010?
You are crazy if you think the answer is yes

vilifyingforce
4 years 6 months ago

Explain to me why I’m crazy then. Aside from Bautista what is so extraordinary about the 2010 Jays? A young pitching staff on the rise. Enough in the pen to get by. If Hill/Lind can rebound and Bautista doesn’t totally implode the Jays should be a decent enough club in 2011.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

you mean aside from the 256 Homers? Not much

vilifyingforce
4 years 6 months ago

Aside from Bautista nobodies numbers on the team was outlandish though. Losing Wells will bring the HR totals down, but, if EE plays more his numbers should climb as should Lind and Snider. The lineup was built for power and that’s what it ended up with. They’ll hit less homers this season, but, could very well score more depending on how a few guys do this season. Tell me, how many losses did you have TO pegged for going into 2010? The team isn’t that bad.

chris
4 years 6 months ago

Wasn’t comparing them. I stated both are on the way up… which is nothing but true.

Reading comprehension, Andy.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

LOL at drugged Tony Reagins, truth is he is probably on drugs now, or heavily medicated after realizing he has to pay Wells 21 million a year for the next three years as Napoli crushes 25 plus HRs as the Jays’ DH for what 3 million?

AA4PrimeMinister
4 years 6 months ago

More like 6 million but it doesn’t really matter. Reagins got bent over.

4 years 6 months ago

Question is – do you really think the Jays would take the Wells savings, and then put all of it, and more, into a player like Fielder or Pujols, that may very well turn into an albatross a few years down the road.

To me, I see the Wells savings going mostly into locking up the Jays young core players – like Morrow, Cecil, Drabek, Snider, Lawrie, etc. I still only see the Blue Jays dipping into free agency to sign complimentary pieces, like a David DeJesus next offseason, not spending huge money on superstars.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 6 months ago

I agree, but I think AA will also continue to put money into scouting and drafting, bringing the organization back to it’s roots.

4 years 6 months ago

Yeah, scouting and drafting will definitely be important, that’s the other area some of the money will go. I just mentioned locking up youngsters as the biggest impact, as it seems like the organization is heavily committed to scouting and drafting as is, even before this crazy trade.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 6 months ago

I agree. AA has really done so much in such a short amount of time. I’d like to see what Morrow does this coming season and see them lock him up to a team-friendly deal.

4 years 6 months ago

Question is – do you really think the Jays would take the Wells savings, and then put all of it, and more, into a player like Fielder or Pujols, that may very well turn into an albatross a few years down the road.

AA would just trade it away, no big deal.

daman316
4 years 6 months ago

ya i agree, more to lock up the young talent, I’d like to see snider and bautista get a deal. I also think any big addition are going to come through a trade much like the lawrie one. The Jays will have even more pitching depth after next years draft and I can see them trade a guy like Cecil, or Scrabble next year for something of substance.

MetsFanXXIII
4 years 6 months ago

Bautista isn’t young though, I think if he wants to test the market then next year might be his only chance.

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

he just turned 30 lol

4 years 6 months ago

Pujols and Fielder shouldn’t be discussed in the same breath. Fielder has a terrible body and old man skills that could rapidly deteriorate. Pujols is arguably a top-10 hitter in the history of baseball and a great athlete showing no discernible signs of decline.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

Pujols has shoulder problems and his elbow acts up, don’t get me wrong, he is top 10 hitter in baseball but he is also human.

4 years 6 months ago

Even Gehrig stopped playing after a while.

chris
4 years 6 months ago

I can absolutely see the Blue Jays signing a huge FA such as Prince Fielder, etc.

Their new GM has made very nice moves this winter. I’m not even including the Wells trade with that statement. The Wells trade was more likely Reagins being a dope and initiating the entire thing.

BooJays33
4 years 6 months ago

as good as the core group is, it won’t be enough to thwart the likes of bos, ny, tb alone going forward. as they get closer they are going to need a few more star players to come in and put them over the hump. probably in the form of an ace SP and another big bat. and thats assuming snyder continues to develop jbau doesn’t regress and aaron hill and lind can regain there form.

they need more help…and they need to use this money.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 6 months ago

Here’s some advice- it’s “Snider” not “Snyder”.

danorage
4 years 6 months ago

who cares?

4 years 6 months ago

I do.

Benjamin_E
4 years 6 months ago

Mrs. Snider does.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 6 months ago

I do, however, I couldn’t care less about your opinion and if you do or not.

lazerball
4 years 6 months ago

Snyder is the new Holliday.

vilifyingforce
4 years 6 months ago

Ray was such a good pitcher.

4 years 6 months ago

If they need to acquire stars, I just think it will come through trades, not free agency. If they need an ace, they’ll be out in front to pick up someone like Greinke, and the continued investment in scouting and drafting will keep premium talent in the system that they can use to acquire those types of players. The money freed up will make it easier to add pieces like that, with much greater payroll flexibility, but still only committing in smart ways. Trade for two years of Greinke at $13M a year? Absolutely. Sign Greinke for 8-years and $140M when he hits free agency? Leave that move for the Yankees or the Angels. Or let the Orioles make that move, and then struggle to stay afloat long-term.

BooJays33
4 years 6 months ago

you say if as though you think its plausible they could achieve perennial post-season success without ponying up and bring in a few high paid high profile guys… which i think they absolutely do. but that’s why freeing about all this money is so intriguing.

how they go about it is really up in the air and based solely on circumstance. your logic is sound, but sometimes a longer deal can favour the club (as well as the player). In Toronto’s case, if they can get there hands on the closest thing there is to a sure commodity (like Greinke, or King Felix), then I think you pony up the bucks and give them the 5 or even 6 year deal…(not 8…)thereby assuring yourself of their services for the forseeable future.

However the Jays go about putting the pieces together in the future this new administration is proving to be far more prudent then regimes past which I’m pretty thrilled about.

4 years 6 months ago

But Anthopoulos, since essentially the day he took over, has made it clear that the way you get those superstars needed to anchor a contending team is to draft/trade for them as prospects, develop them, and then have the flexibility to sign them to team-friendly long-term deals. Maybe I’m missing one or two, but can you really think of a long-term free agent signing, of 6 years or more, that has really worked out for the team?

It just really makes little sense to sign an elite player through free agency, because you’re going to end up regretting that deal, and it will limit your financial flexibility down the road. Trading for the pieces and holding them for a year or two is generally much better, as the talent you trade away sometimes turns into nothing, and you don’t have to pony up for so many years of the player.

Develop elite prospects, sign reasonable free agents to short-term contracts, and trade for elite players to put you over the edge – that’s a model for success, even in the AL East. It’s what the Rays have been trying to do, except with the money to retain young stars, and the financial flexibility to trade for players making large salaries in the short-term.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

“Maybe I’m missing one or two, but can you really think of a long-term free agent signing, of 6 years or more, that has really worked out for the team”?

Mike Mussina- 123-72, 3.88 ERA, 1.21 Whip (I know, not the best stats)
ManRam- .312/.411/.588 w/ 274 hrs, 2 WS
Vlad- .319/.381/.546 w/ 173 hrs

Also, the Rays aren’t really a good example. They simply didn’t attempt to compete and cashed in on high draft pick slots. They made some nice moves to acquire Garza and signing Pena as a minor lge FA but not much else.

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

Albert Pujols has been a Cardinal for 10 years, Ichiro Suzuki,10 years with the mariners, Derek Jeter, Yankees respectfully, shoot throw Jorge Posada in there, he has worked out for 10 years, I could go on but there are those contracts where you scratch your head 3 years later and go shoot three more years of this bum?

woadude
4 years 6 months ago

have to wait 5 years to even sniff King Felix, he is signed so damn team friendly its not even concievable to include him on wish lists or trade rumors, or as you Canadians put it Rumours.

BooJays33
4 years 6 months ago

as much as i would love pujols he would probably only come for a longterm 30M per deal. you’d probably have to give him 275M. that being said the guy is amazing and i’d certainly consider it.

4 years 6 months ago

I would take Pujols at 30 mil a year for 5 years. I know that he is looking for a 10 year deal like A-Rods but I think the 5 year 150 mil could be quite enticing for him and a decent deal for the Jays too.

nictonjr
4 years 6 months ago

At 5/150 Pujols never leaves the Cards…

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Actually, He doesnt even return the phone call!

4 years 6 months ago

If you have the money, Pujols is as close as they come to a sure bet. There is nothing to suggest he is going to tale off soon. He brings great leadership to a club and a community. He will be hitting huge milestones which will garner national interest. Oh, and he could hit for average and power in front of Snider for almost a decade. IT would be awesome.

4 years 6 months ago

i dont think the jay are worried about pujols tailing off. More so the fact that he could get injured at anytime and thats far to much money to invest into one guy. Although as a jays fan that would be a dream to have pujols in a jays uniform.

4 years 6 months ago

Agreed, my main concern with Pujols is that injuries get to him and make him less effective. Playing on our turf won’t help his knees one bit.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 6 months ago

It still hasn’t settled in my mind over the Wells trade, it made NO, ZERO, NADA, KEIN, NULL, sense at all. LAA went from being AL West bullies to well, screwed for a long time.

jt24
4 years 6 months ago

4 years isnt that long

(this is sarcasm)

BooJays33
4 years 6 months ago

i would love to have been a fly on the wall during those talks for sure…i wonder if LA asked for money and the Jays balked…

4 years 6 months ago

If you told me these two teams were talking about a Wells trade, I would think the Jays would have to pay half his salary in order to pull something off. If they did it would still have been a good trade for the them. Wells is a shadow of the player he once was. Post all the fangraphs stats you want, the guy isn’t worth half of what he’ll be making in the last few years of that deal.

4 years 6 months ago

haha likely. reports were that the angels were pursuing wells at the winter meetings, the angels likely wanted the jays to cover a substantial amount of his contract and AA wouldnt. A few signings fall through for the angels and they obviously became a little bit rushed to add a bat to their lineup.

TheBunk
4 years 6 months ago

There’s a guy named Adrian Gonzalez on the market next year as well for those who are forgetting.

4 years 6 months ago

Most believe the Red Sox will extend him as soon as the season starts, just to avoid luxury tax implications if they announced a deal now.

Cruzfan
4 years 6 months ago

Albert Pujols is the greatest hitter of our generation. Hard to see any contract of his being an albatross. Signing him would be like signing Babe Ruth to a free agent contract. Prince Fielder doesn’t even belong in the same breath. Either way, regardless of whether or not AA was willing, it’s hard to see Pujols coming to Toronto.

4 years 6 months ago

The Yankees, Red Sox (assuming a Gonzalez extension, which we all are) and Phillies already have their 1B slots filled for years. That makes Pujols much more affordable.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

Someone is going to give that man at least $25 mil x 7

4 years 6 months ago

The Jays have $34M a year they could spend without even increasing their payroll over 2008.

4 years 6 months ago

Just a random thought, but I can see the Yankees trying to do something crazy like trade away Teixeira, and then sign Pujols. Teixeira probably wouldn’t have much excess value – though much of that would depend on how his 2011 goes – but if Vernon Wells could be traded, Teixeira certainly can.

hurley55
4 years 6 months ago

I think the Jays should seriously consider a Fielder/Agonz/Pujols/Votto type for 1b. Whether they wait one season or a few to spend the Wells money it really doesn’t matter as there is tons of talent in the FA 1b pool, a position the Jays lack in terms of quality prospects.

a lineup and rotation of 2012/2013 Jays:
gose CF
escobar 2b
bautista RF
pujols/fielder/agonz 1b
snider LF
lawrie 3b
lind dh
JPA or d’arnaud C
hechavarria SS

Romero
Morrow
Cecil
Drabek
Mcguire

could make some serious noise in the AL East

4 years 6 months ago

I also think that plugging Gose who didn’t hit at all in A ball into the starting lineup for 2012 or 2013 is WILDLY optimistic.

Dylan
4 years 6 months ago

Yeah, I’m a Phils fan and always liked Gose cuz of his wheels. But the dude doesn’t hit all that well. I had hopes of a future lead off man…but he is young yet and I think he will develop into a Victorino-type with more stolen bases.

4 years 6 months ago

hey, a Victorino-type guy with a ton of stolen bases is DEFINITELY not a bad thing.
Great D + speed = assets a winning ball club needs.

lazerball
4 years 6 months ago

Considering he spent last year in HiA as a 19 year old and improved as the season went on, I find it hard to be too critical of his bat. Why is projecting him for a 2013 debut wildly optimistic? He didn’t hit -that- badly last year and will almost definitely spend most of the upcoming season in AA. Why would he be 4 seasons off from being MLB ready?

4 years 6 months ago

I’d be very surprised if he spent the majority of the year in AA. He was the youngest player in the league and struggled. He’s going to (or at the very least should) repeat the level. That would put him starting 2012 in AA which means at best he sees the bigs by 2013, but isn’t a regular and the everyday leadoff guy.

Is it impossible that he’s ready by then? Of course not. It’s just “wildly optimistic”

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

yah he was only one of the youngest players in high A last year.. no big deal

he also had a .360 OBP when he moved over to Dunedin

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Who cares! What has he done in the bigs exactly again?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

exactly! Trout, Harper, Moustakas, Hosmer, all those guys are crap!

genius… genius post RSD…

4 years 6 months ago

You listed 8 prospects with little to no major league experience and you believe we could “make some serious noise in the AL East” with this roster??? I’m as hopeful as the next Jays fan, but be serious. By the way, where is Hill? or Davis? or Napoli? This lineup does not stand up to Boston or NY at all. We should pretty much count on it being 2015 or later before we make a run for the AL East, Pujols or not. The Cardinals have Pujols and a better supporting cast than you listed above and they can’t even win the NL Central… Oh, and they have a better Manager too. Don’t forget our Manager has zero MLB experience as the head guy yet. One player isn’t the solution!

WarvsBA
4 years 6 months ago

its true that some players on that list have done nothing. But you cant say then that they wont do nothing as well. The fact is in 2012 they could be stars, they could not but do say that wont stack up with NY or Boston makes not sense since its 2 years away and you dont know A, what thouse players will do over the next 2 years and B, what the Yanks and Sox do or team looks. Bautista is a good exsample at this time last year poepl would say he was a bench player at best. how much a year can change things.

4 years 6 months ago

What I can say is that Gose, McGuire, D’Arnaud for sure are not expected to be MLB players by 2012. Bautista actually was always scouted to be a power bat and to be a starter. He finally met his potential late, so if we are going off that example then your 2012 projection seems even more absurd. Bautista was brought to the Jays to be a starter and was a starter from day 1 last year. Also, if you look at the players Boston and NY have under contract through 2013 then you would agree the lineup projected doesn’t compete. I’m not saying we won’t win it all, but I am saying I’m not optimistic. Everyone is so impatient with the Jays and wants these prospects up immediately, that’s just not how things work the majority of the time. Have patience and have faith in the system!

AA4PrimeMinister
4 years 6 months ago

Where did Aaron Hill go?

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

He was cut, which is what should happen

4 years 6 months ago

Thats more than a little harsh. I would expect him to bounce back this year more than repeat last year… I would be happy with .280-.325-.800 line which is close to his career average. As awful as last year was, he still hit 26 homers and had 68 RBI’s batting just north of the Mendoza line. He is a lock for 25-35 HR and 75+ RBI’s. Not bad for a 2nd basman making moderate money.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

His power number’s I don’t mind.. but as a middle infielder his most important job should be to get on base, which he stinks at. He can’t take a walk, and his long swing doesn’t produce many singles.. I’m sure he will have a better year, but even at his peak I don’t see him as an impact player for the Jays. In 2-3 years if Lawrie is manning 3rd and Hechavarria manning SS, I’d much rather keep Escobar at 2nd with minimal power and a .380 OBP than Hill..

As we all saw last year, hitting HR’s is great and all, but someones got to be on base sometime

4 years 6 months ago

Wow, how the mighty have fallen. The guy wins a Silver Slugger one year and shoulda been a gold glover, then the next year he is being thrown out with last weeks trash. Lets get a little perspective here. All things remaining equal, the guy is still a top 10 second baseman until he has more than just one bad season. And that bad one wasn’t as horrible as some are making it out to be.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Thats the thing Jaybooster.. I’m not turning on the guy because of his 1 bad year.. I never liked him even during his silver slugger season…

To me he represents everything that has been wrong with the mindset of the Jays in the last decade.. In the minors he was a low slugging, but high average/decent obp, good defensive type of infielder.. Then he arrives and all he wants to do is his dingers.. and don’t think AA doesn’t feel the same way, you’ll see when his 3 year option isn’t picked up before 2011..

I much rather have a slugging first baseman, and a speedy brian roberts type of 2b..

Jays haven’t had either in a long long time

4 years 6 months ago

Fair enough comments. I still think that in the absence of a slugging first baseman (lets hope Lind bounces back) you take a second baseman that is capable of 30-100 and maybe even throw in 12-15 sb’s on a consistant basis and be ecstatic with the results. Roberto Alomar he isn’t. But Jeff Kentish isn’t a bad fallback…

4 years 6 months ago

Why isn’t Pujols hitting third?

4 years 6 months ago

Because your best hitter should hit cleanup, despite the truism.

4 years 6 months ago

There’s only one logical explanation for this trade:

Alex Anthopoulos = Michael Corleone
Arte Moreno = Senator Geary

4 years 6 months ago

The Alex Rios contract would go a long way toward building the next playoff team in Toronto.
Also, if the Jays lose both their arb cases, their payroll this year would be $66M. They had a ton of money to spend on free agents before moving Wells.

4 years 6 months ago

I agree with this^. They didn’t spend money not because they didn’t have it, but because it didn’t make sense to spend it. The surprising years out of Bautista, Hill and Lind really left the team confused as to what exactly it has. It makes far more sense to go through 2011 and see exactly what assets are useful and what ones need to be cut (for example, if Hill has another disastrous year, he’s gone).

Once they properly identify the pieces they need to make that next step, it seems like a safe bet that AA will try to make a move to acquire them.

That all being said, shedding the massive money due to Wells creates even MORE flexibility going forward, especially given the likelihood of a decline in VWs skills and thus is a fantastic move.

4 years 6 months ago

Sorry, the Jays have 3 arb cases (they acquired one in Napoli), but the $66M is approximately right.

4 years 6 months ago

I actually think you came in a bit high:
$44.09MM
+ $10.5MM (Bautista if lost)
+ $3.725MM (Frasor if lost)
+ $6.1MM (Napoli if lost)
————————–
$64.415MM = max payroll
$61.14MM = min payroll (win all arb cases $7.6M, 5.3M, $3.25M)

4 years 6 months ago

I don’t think the $44.09M includes the $400k+ each pre-arb player will earn.

4 years 6 months ago

Really? I assumed it did.

4 years 6 months ago

I looked at the spreadsheet at Cot’s and the salary columns for the pre-arb players weren’t filled in (because they don’t make exactly the minimum, although it’s close enough to make no difference).

monkeyspanked
4 years 6 months ago

Stupid Angels!

RyanHall
4 years 6 months ago

It’s a shame Mr. Votto signed an extension.

4 years 6 months ago

How does it make any difference? He didn’t give away any FA years.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

AA is turning himself into one hell of a GM. He got Toronto to take on Wells entire salary for Napoli and Rivera which are nice pieces coming back. Wells will be a loss for sure but 7 picks of the first 80 and a huge amount of flexability now that they freed up Wells. AA is doing some very nice things in Toronto. Watch and learn Mets.

danorage
4 years 6 months ago

8 picks

sadp
4 years 6 months ago

He definitely did not get Toronto to take on Wells’ salary, he got LA to…typo, my friend.

4 years 6 months ago

With Ricciardi helping out the Mets FO, you’d hope Ricciardi is watching and learning.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

sortof off topic, but how much do you think the Cards will have to give Pujols for him to stay? and how much can they realistically afford to pay?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 6 months ago

I think somewhere between $25-$28 per and something from 6 to 8 years.

TheMagicIsBack
4 years 6 months ago

$200 million +

He gets $30 million * 7

phillipmike
4 years 6 months ago

I would love to have King Albert, but Pujols belongs in a Cardinal uniform for life. I hope they lock him up.

Fielder would be a big bat to add but im not sold on a player like him. He will cost a lot, i say the Angel’s get him. They wont make the same mistake two off-seasons in a row.

That being said i would prefer AA to stay the course and follow Tampa and not give out any big contracts.

BlueJays45
4 years 6 months ago

Angels get Prince with what money? They’re barely on their feet financially now they won’t be able to spend 25 million on Fielder (He wants 8 years 300 million last i checked). Plus the Jays don’t have any solid 1st base prospects King Albert or Prince would be perfect: great bat, leadership (more on Alberts part), and a guy who will put fans in the seats…which is really lacking in Toronto. AA should keep doing his thing, but with all the money we have we need to put it to good use.

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

id take pujols over prince regardless of age or the extra money ( though i doubt he reaches free agency) but i also think you meant 8 years 200 million for prince.

4 years 6 months ago

Angels have Morales. I’m thinking Prince goes to Texas, Los Angeles or San Francisco.

4 years 6 months ago

Napoli and Rivera will be on other teams by the trade deadline.. The Red Sox are light on the catching front and will probably be the first team to come calling. I don’t see Napoli being a short term solution, his inability to throw out base-stealers is terrible, he is terrible with runners in scoring position. Plus the Jays future at C are in JP Arencebia and Travis d’Arnaud. If the Jays intend to spend the Wells money it would probably be on a elite starter or closer.

deere5800
4 years 6 months ago

Please don’t spend it on an elite closer…whatever the hell that’s supposed to be

Nicholas Grimson
4 years 6 months ago

How many catchers of the future have the jays burned through the last decade? Every year there is a new Robinson Diaz and every year a Greg Zaun gets most of the playing time. It’d be nice if Aaron Cibia and d’Arnaud both pan out but I wouldn’t put money on it.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

They are both not even the best catcher in the system

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

i love how you made Jp’s last name into a legit full name, thats impressive.

Nicholas Grimson
4 years 6 months ago

I can’t take credit for that. It was Drunk Jays Fans I believe.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 6 months ago

It’s been a pun there for a year or so now heh.

4 years 6 months ago

Flim flam man JPR was slumming it in Toronto, managing from his computer in Worchester, MA, waiting for his dream job to open up in Boston.

AA is a Canadian boy, and already HAS his dream job. He’ll take the long term approach which we need.

4 years 6 months ago

JPR kept his dream job in Boston for less than a week before going to work for the Mets, and the Jays are riding high on his draft picks.

4 years 6 months ago

Considering the Jays had the 28th ranked farm system under JP and are now variously 4th-5th-7th depending on your source, I’m gonna disagree woth you.

12 of the 20 top ranked Jays prospects are AA era, and that’s in one year!