Jays, Angels Swap Vernon Wells For Napoli, Rivera

So much for the Angels' quiet offseason.  The Angels and Blue Jays have announced a blockbuster trade that sends center fielder Vernon Wells to Los Angeles in exchange for catcher/first baseman Mike Napoli and outfielder Juan Rivera.  Wells waived his no-trade clause to make the deal happen.

Wells, 32, hit .273/.331/.515 with 31 homers for Toronto in 2010, rebounding from an injury-plagued and disappointing stretch from 2007-09 when he managed just a .743 OPS.  The number most associated with Wells, however, is his contract.  The center fielder signed a seven-year, $126MM extension with Toronto in 2006 that runs through 2014.  Wells is slated to earn $23MM next season and $21MM in each of the following three years, though he has the option of opting out of his deal after 2011.

The Halos took a lot of local and national criticism for failing to sign Carl Crawford, Adrian Beltre and other major targets this winter, especially since owner Arte Moreno said he was prepared to spend to get his team back into contention in the AL West.  Acquiring Wells will quiet some of those critics, but now the Angels are paying Wells a higher average annual value ($21.5MM) over the next four years than Texas is paying Beltre ($16MM) over five years or Boston is paying Crawford (roughly $20.28MM) over seven years.

Wells presumably takes over in center field for L.A. now that Torii Hunter has been shifted to right, though Hunter (-6.2 UZR/150) was a bit better than Wells (-7.0 UZR/150) in center last season.  Wells' defense did improve last year, however, and the former three-time Gold Glover could approach his old form playing on natural grass at Angel Stadium.  The Angels could also explore putting Wells in left and give Peter Bourjos for the bulk of playing time in center. 

The Angels dealt from a position of strength; along with Napoli, the Halos have backstops Jeff MathisHank Conger and Bobby Wilson on their 40-man roster.

Getting Wells' $86MM salary off the books (especially without sending L.A. any money in return) is a major achievement for Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos, given that the contract was considered perhaps the most untradeable in all of baseball.  The Jays also succeeded in keeping Napoli away from a division rival; the Rays appeared to be targeting the catcher/first baseman earlier this evening.

Napoli hit 26 home runs last year, reaching the 20-homer plateau for the third consecutive season. He hit .238/.316/.468 overall, with a career-high 137 strikeouts. The right-handed hitter has a .931 OPS against southpaws in his career, so he is a potential complement to the lefty-hitting Adam Lind at first base.  The Jays could combine Napoli with Lind and Edwin Encarnacion at first, or with Jose Molina and J.P. Arencibia behind the plate.  Would-be base stealers were successful 73% of the time they tried stealing off of Napoli in 2010; they've been successful 76% of the time in his career.

Napoli, 29, is arbitration eligible this year and eligible for free agency after 2012. He asked for $6.1MM in 2011 and the Angels countered with a $5.3MM offer, as MLBTR's Arb Tracker shows.  MLBTR's Tim Dierkes used Napoli as an example of the arbitration process in this October post, predicting his agent could ask for $6-7MM.

Rivera, 32, is set to earn $5.25MM next season, the last year of a three-year, $12.75MM pact he signed with the Halos following the 2008 campaign.  The veteran outfielder has a .272/.323/.448 line over the last two seasons, and has a career .832 OPS against left-handed pitching (though that OPS against lefties dropped to .746 last year).  Rivera could play right field and allow Jose Bautista to move to third base.  Rivera is also a candidate for DH time in Toronto, and could spell Travis Snider against southpaws.

Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports were the first to report on a Napoli-to-Toronto move this afternoon, and then added the news of Wells' involvement, plus details about the outfielder's physical and waiving of his no-trade clause.  Mike Wilner of Sportsnet Radio The FAN 590 confirmed the Wells-for-Rivera/Napoli trade package in an e-mail to MLBTR and Shi Davidi of the Canadian Press tweeted the news that no money was being exchanged in the deal.

MLBTR's Mark Polishuk also contributed to this post


705 Responses to Jays, Angels Swap Vernon Wells For Napoli, Rivera Leave a Reply

  1. okbluejays 4 years ago

    Take it for what it’s worth, but Jon Morosi of Foxsports is reporting on his Twitter that no cash is involved.

  2. Sniderlover 4 years ago

    No cash involved. Confirmed by a few sources.

    LOL ANGELS!!! You might as well have done nothing and the off-season would look better than it is looking right now.

  3. Wow. Just Wow! The Jays dumped Wells and get a descent hitter or two in return. AA is staking a claim to GM of the year early. And what the heck are the Angels doing this offseason? From the outside it looks like they’ve fallen off their rocker.

  4. PushDown 4 years ago

    Dam, why did believe Reagins was smart enough to not take Wells whole contract. Now we’re probably not getting Vlad or Pods as well. And we’re paying more for Wells than Crawford would ask for. Sigh.

    • No were not. Its 86 mil over 4 years. With Napoli and Rivera off the books thats 74 mil. I see both players going downhill and were pinched off in the angels lineup. Arte has the money to spend. No worries about that.

  5. kevmill21 4 years ago

    the claw and antler group is dancing! o they are dancing!

    • jt24 4 years ago

      they can dance all they want right now, but by next september we shall see who will be dancing into the playoffs

  6. iamsynecdoche 4 years ago

    So if there is no cash involved, can ANYONE explain how this deal works for the Angels? I’m trying, but I’m not seeing it. As for AA… slow clap.

  7. brendonkuhn 4 years ago

    it’s official, no money going to LA, YES!!

    AA, 2011 Executive of the Year already?

  8. EGAD…….Career OPS+ 106 and 118 for 108 AND 75M or so.

    Worst offseason ever……..Angels, and it’s not even close.

  9. Flharfh 4 years ago

    Most lopsided trade since the advent of free agency?

  10. Hey, you think a Dice-K for Weaver trade could be in order?
    Maybe Drew for Trout?

  11. Sniderlover 4 years ago

    Despite that contract, Wells was a great Blue Jay, as a person and as a player (when healthy). I wish him all the best with the Angels.

  12. I dont understand how the Angels make these deals. Gary Mathews Jr., Torii Hunter, Vernon Wells and they miss on the really good players.

  13. Becca – I get what you’re saying about this possibly not being the worst deal that Reagins has made. Your logic confuses me a bit though. I don’t know if this is the worst deal he’s made, maybe, maybe not. But if he made the deal, as you suggest, due to the notion that a change of scenery may do Wells some good he really needs to stop and re-evaluate his decision making and criteria for making a trade. You simply don’t take on $86 million dollars on a contract because you “hope” the guy you’re getting might perform better for you than he did for his previous team. That’s insanity.

    Also, if he made the trade because he was tired of seeing players (who?) bailing at the plate, or if he was tired of streaky hitting (iirc Wells is a streaky hitter), or simply to get Abreau off the field, again he needs to stop and take a look at what he’s doing. None of those reasons are enough, even if they’re all combined, to take a chance on Wells. Especially if you’re giving up a descent hitter in Napoli and a guy who, going forward, isn’t going to be terribly worse than Wells himself.

    Frankly this trade really is a bad one for the Angels. They probably got worse because of it and they definitely got more expensive. They were looking at a potential payout of approx. $20 million dollars in 2011-2012 for three player seasons of Rivera and Napoli. Now those guys are gone and they have a player similar but worse than Hunter and they’re on the hook for about $66 million more than they were yesterday.

    Bad, bad move.

  14. Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

    Cubs fans must be pissed Jim Hendry didn’t call up Reagins to trade them Soriano for Brandon Wood

  15. OK, so AA traded Wells for Rivera and Naopli, didn’t have to give up any prospects or other players, and.. only had to include 5MM inCash?!?! AA must have some very interesting photos of Reagins from the Winter Meetings LOL!!!!!!

    • jt24 4 years ago

      yes, they are tony hitting the snooze button on the alarm clock

  16. wright1970 4 years ago

    Now i am convinced that Alex is a genius!! getting rid of that albatross contract is huge for the Jays, u Jays fans have such a bright future!!

    • Guest 4 years ago

      He’s definitely a good GM. But getting rid of that contract was more common sense than genius.

      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

        Finding someone to give that contract to is genius

      • wright1970 4 years ago

        lol, who is any better as a GM?? Any GM would want to unload that contract but i dont think just any GM could actually pull it off…Alex only seems to make smart, sensible moves. As an A’s fan, you should be ecstatic that the Angels hugely decreased their payroll flexibility.

        • Guest 4 years ago

          You’ve misconstrued my meaning. I have a lot of respect for Alex Anthopoulos. I won’t call him great, nor will I ever call *any* GM great. That word is too subjective when it comes to GMs. I *will* call him very good, though, and say that I am a big fan of what he’s done with the Blue Jays since taking over.

          But let’s be honest. There is nothing “genius” about finding a sucker to take that contract. Especially when the team taking it was desperate to try and make a big move before spring training, and doesn’t seem to even care how many bad contracts they have at once. It’s a fairly obvious match.

          It’s a common sense move for the Blue Jays. No more. No less. That doesn’t diminish the success of the trade, but that’s what it is: Common sense.

          I’m not sure how you knew I was an A’s fan. But you’re right. I *am* really glad the Halos took on that contract. I have no idea why you’d think that I wasn’t.

          EDIT: And now we know that the Angels were the ones who originally went to the Blue Jays, asking about Wells. That’s per Anthopoulos, himself. So it’s not like this was some kind of master plan.

          And again: This is not meant to downplay the success of this trade in any way. Kudos to them for pulling it off without having to eat more than $5 million! That’s some fantastic negotiating.

          • Well at least it is clear you are not a genius.

          • Guest 4 years ago

            I’m wounded.

            But I’m at least smart enough to realize that doing something that makes PERFECT SENSE does not qualify someone for genius status.

  17. not_brooks 4 years ago

    This move, plus Manny/Damon to the Rays opens up Vlad to the O’s.

    Vlad signs with Baltimore for 1/$7MM by within the week. Shortly thereafter, the O’s trade Luke Scott for a middle of the rotation starting pitcher.

    • okbluejays 4 years ago

      Nobody is giving up a mid rotation starter for Luke Scott, sorry.

      • not_brooks 4 years ago

        I know, right? It’s sort of like how the Blue Jays are never going to get someone to take Vernon Wells off their hands, even if they eat a portion of his contract. Oh… Wait…

        Anyway, I said Scott and prospects. A fringe team might be happy to take Scott and some future help for their number four or five starter, who would easily be the number three in Baltimore.

      • 0vercast 4 years ago

        That depends on the rotation. I think it’d be a good move for the O’s to trade Scott for a decent young starter.

  18. jordan 4 years ago

    Im just throwing darts around. tell me does this describe the LAA offseason. Slept through the offseason therefore missing out on all their target FA, woke up, took a dump, called it a good offseason and went back to bed?

    • Except when you take a dump you’re getting rid of waste, not collecting more of it.

    • damnitsderek 4 years ago

      Slept through the entire offseason, woke up, traded your Playstation 3 and your car for a Rob Schneider DVD box set, and went back to bed.

  19. mp87 4 years ago

    if he even hits just 30 homers next season with a solid OBP and plays spotless D at whichever position he ends up at it is…in the world we’re in

  20. Thurman8er 4 years ago

    A friend of mine died last week. Lifelong, hardcore Red Sox fan. OH, did she rub it in when they stole Crawford out from under us. She was literally laughing in her deathbed when we lost Beltre. This is her. Somehow. I just know it is.

  21. okbluejays 4 years ago

    So it’s 5Mil in return…for a total of 15mil coming back to Toronto. Still a massive win for the Jays, obviously.

    • Thurman8er 4 years ago

      OH, we’re getting 5 mil? Oh. Well then.

      v rfpeiaogunb [4 lkuhalkguhiuq98

    • Tom R 4 years ago

      Where do you get the 5 mil in return?

      • okbluejays 4 years ago

        That was in story for a split second and now it’s gone, odd. I’m hoping it’s no money in return, but would be perfectly fine with $5mil.

  22. damnitsderek 4 years ago

    I can’t even wrap my head around this trade. This is absolutely, unfathomably mind-blowing.

    Just…wow.

  23. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    MLB 11: The Show

  24. BurtisHB 4 years ago

    Is it April 1st or something???

  25. ze3 4 years ago

    The Angels should’ve traded Reagins for AA instead

  26. Eric 4 years ago

    One idea to wonder is the possibility that Vernon Wells might have, in addition to waive his no-trade rights, agreed to opt out of the contract after 2011 (per contract information) to facilitate the deal. Even if this is the case, 23M for 1YR of Vernon Wells is much less than 1YR/5.25M of Rivera and the arbitration years 3 & 4 of Napoli (in terms of trade value). Any way you figure, gotta love this trade for the Blue Jays.

    • Tom R 4 years ago

      Wishful thinking. Why would he do this?

      • Eric 4 years ago

        It’s just an idea based on his recent statement, “I would totally agree that I’m not worth that contract.”

        In addition, it wouldn’t be completely ridiculous. For example, “Royals pitcher Gil Meche retired on Tuesday at age 32, walking away from a $12 million salary.”

  27. Beacher20 4 years ago

    Interesting. I think the strongest part of the entire exchange is Anthopoulos dumping the contract, one that was considered on every top 5 list as ‘untradeable.’ And to get Napoli in return, as well as another ML Player? He just earned random GM points with me as a baseball fan. I know I wanted to see Napoli in Chicago, and as much as I support franchise players, it should be fun to see Wells in another uniform. Too bad the Jays are still not competitive, I would love to see them in the playoffs.

  28. AA4PrimeMinister 4 years ago

    So does this mean Bautista will play right?
    CF-Davis
    SS-Escobar
    RF-Bautista
    1B-Lind
    DH-Napoli
    LF-Snider
    2B-Hill
    3B-Encarnacion/??
    C-J.P Arencibia
    I think finding a 3B would make this lineup better and let Bautista play RF.

    • okbluejays 4 years ago

      OR Rivera in RF with Bautista going to 3rd base.

      • AA4PrimeMinister 4 years ago

        How’s Rivera in RF? Could he hold his own defensively?

        • Thurman8er 4 years ago

          He can barely hold his glove defensively.

        • okbluejays 4 years ago

          He’d be better in LF, he does have a strong arm but not great range. Bautista isn’t great defensively in RF either, but like Rivera he does have a good arm. Overall the Jays aren’t going to have a good defensive team either way, even though Davis is an upgrade over Wells defensively in CF.

    • 0vercast 4 years ago

      That’s a really good looking lineup. Are you giving up on Encarnacion so soon?

      • AA4PrimeMinister 4 years ago

        I wouldn’t call it giving up since his bat is respectable but his defense is just terrible. I’d rather find someone who could actually field 3B, maybe Gordon Beckham or Chone Figgins?

    • slider32 4 years ago

      This line-up is the fifth best in the AL East.

  29. jt24 4 years ago

    Anybody else get a feeling that Reagins isn’t done? this deal changes the rest of the offseason by making the top priority a speedster/leadoff guy. I have a feeling we could see chone back in anaheim soon

    • AA4PrimeMinister 4 years ago

      The way Reagins is working you’d be lucky to get Scotty Pods.

      • jt24 4 years ago

        idk, reagins seems to make his big splashes through trades (usually level headed trades that heavily benefit the halos, clearly not in this case)

  30. This the best deal of the off-season for any GM. Perhaps best deal ever. Hats off to AA. I cannot believe this.

  31. SalaryCapPlease 4 years ago

    Reagins: Was Wells more attractable because you weren’t dealing with Boras????….If true, this isn’t promising for the futures of Morales and Weaver either.

    As an Angel fan, I’m seriously trying to understand the logic of this deal.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      There is no logic….that being said though: what’s the logic in signing Crawford for that kind of money for 8 yrs or hoping that Beltre stays hot after his signing, given that his stats mysteriously drop off after he signs a big contract. That said, the Angels will be competitive and could very likely win the division in 2011. Why? because the Rangers lost Lee, the As don’t have enough thump in their lineup, and the Mariners…well…. But at what cost to the Angels???? Well, that’s where the headscratching begins.

      • Pretty sure, I would still bet on the A’s. They have much more depth throughout their whole team.

        • Guest 4 years ago

          The A’s are puzzling…they might be good, they might not. They still need a big bat in their lineup.

        • NicholasDerosa 4 years ago

          Crap contract or not, bad trade or not Wells is still a good bat.

          Signed,

          Jays Fan

  32. sadp 4 years ago

    For Anthopoulos’ next move, he’s going to move faster than the speed of light, invent a perpetual motion machine, and calculate pi to its final decimal place.

  33. deere5800 4 years ago

    AA may have created the biggest comments section on this website two years in a row now…pretty sure the Halladay trade had the most comments last year, this one’s already over 700

    • grownice 4 years ago

      i think the adrian gonzalez trade went over like 900-1000 comments didnt it?

      • deere5800 4 years ago

        Oh yeah, forgot about that one…AA is still a headline maker though

  34. Dick Armada 4 years ago

    Get rid of Reagins. What a worthless employee.

  35. $3866193 4 years ago

    John Schuerholz is sleeping well tonight, because somebody finally made a significantly worse trade than his 2007 Teixiera trade.

  36. GREAT day to be a Jays fan!

  37. BustyPoser 4 years ago

    Wow. Just wow. Anthopoulos is a jedi. That’s the only explanation.

    • NicholasDerosa 4 years ago

      Finally, a post that makes sense. “Something something something sign-here”

  38. coolstorybro222 4 years ago

    The Angels have the oldest outfield in baseball now.

  39. baybombers 4 years ago

    just stopgaps basically….1.red sox 2.yankees 3.Jays 4.Orioles 5.Rays

  40. best part of this deal… the jays took rivera!

    ¬°Que se vayan, juan

  41. I feel like poor Vernon’s getting a bad rap here, when he’s not hitting 20-30 homers he has impressive gap power, he has respectable speed, and he’s never struck out more than 100 times in a season while being an average defender. I would have had no problem seeing him in Atlanta this season if not for his obviously bloated contract but hey Angels, at least it’s not Gary Matthews.

    Jays are looking really really good this year. Their offense, bullpen(outside of no set closer which I’m assuming is Rauch’s job to lose?) and front rotation are going to be unbelievable. Whether or not Drabek and Litsch develop well and the defense will really show if they can keep up with the big boys in the AL East.

    Nonetheless, loosing two solid starting players with power like Rivera and Napoli for one with no salary relief or prospects is never a good move. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wells feel like he has to prove himself but not a chance I’d personally want to take.

    More than anything I just hate seeing “lifer” players leaving their original team after playing for so long in one place.

    • renegade24 4 years ago

      Vernon Wells has 7 WAR in the last 4 years combined. He’s really not very good and he’s getting paid like a superstar.

  42. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    Wow. Rivera stinks, but I never thought I’d see the day when Toronto could dump that contract. Hats off to AA.

    • the stats don’t do Rivera justice, by which I mean he’s even worse than statistics could show. He’s easily one of the laziest ballplayers I have ever seen, inconsistent hitter, atrocious fielder… or as the Pittsburgh Pirates would say “the total package.”

      • renegade24 4 years ago

        He’s a throw-in in the deal. A 4th OF for the Jays and Reagins insisted the Jays take him.

      • HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

        I’m sure any Jays fans (including myself) are happy to take him to dump Wells’ contract. Wells was a decent player, but not at the price he’s making.

  43. Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

    With all of the financial flexibility the Jays are going to have with this move going forward, one has to wonder if the Jays are going to extend Bautista and sign Fielder to platoon DH/1b with Adam Lind after this season. Check out this lineup that will definitely skew the way the AL East always plays out every year. Thought sliding Yunel Escobar over to 3b was creative. He definitely has the arm and athleticism. Even the bottom of their order all could be legit super stars. Blue Jays should be patient one more year, develop Hechevarria, OF Snider, and C Arencibia for one more year. I think that’s exactly what they are going to do as they acquired both C Napoli and OF Rivera as stop gaps for this season. and in 2011 put all the pieces together

    CF) Davis
    3b) Yunel Escobar
    DH/1b) Prince Fielder
    LF) Jose Bautista
    2b) Aaron Hill
    1b/DH) Adam Lind
    RF) Travis Snider
    C) JP Arencibia
    SS) Adeny Hechevarria

    P.S. or after 2014 they get Joey Votto!!

    • Pretty sure, Jose B. would be playing RF in that line up.

      • Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

        fair enough, still, the question remains. Who else will have the money to pay the prince close to what he wants and not have to worry about him being able to play 1b through the remainder of the contract?

        • grownice 4 years ago

          Just because they have the money doesnt mean theyd want to waste on a 1b/dh , adam lind if he bounces back could put close to the production fielder does for 1/4 of the price, just doesnt make sense to waste cash on a soon to be dh Imo.

    • HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

      There are so many things wrong with that lineup. It would take too long to even get into it.

      • Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

        yes because there are so many things wrong with adding a player that averages 30 plus homers and a .400 OBP? It’s basically what they have this year plus Prince Fielder. I understand, more likely Bautista would stay at 3b and they would add an OF next offseason but I just liked the prospect of having three of their top position prospects the same year.

        • HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

          No, you’re missing my point.

          Ok, I’ll try. Escobar would likely move to 2B, not 3B. Hill to 3B. Fielder wants big money and years- everybody knows his health will break down like Cecil. Playing on the turf would likely ruin his body, since it’s under so much strain already. Fielder likely wouldn’t sign in Toronto regardless.

          Your batting order could use some tweaking in my opinion as well.

          And so we’re clear, I am a Blue Jays fan.

    • tdot32 4 years ago

      we would never get prince fielder.

      • Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

        why not? What other teams are going to have the money/position for Prince Fielder? Toronto just cleared 80MM in payroll and will have even more. Fielder has made it clear he wants to go where he makes the most money. Who else can match that besides the Mets/Clbus, who would have to play him at 1b, something no team wants to do? Toronto can option him at 1b and DH, to make sure he transitions smoothly in health.

        • tdot32 4 years ago

          i don’t think we would get him is all. he’ll be over priced and i don’t think the blue jays would dish out the money he wants. it’s wishful thinking, but it’s not likely to happen.

  44. Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

    One thing I will say about this trade for the Angels is this. There is absolute garbage in the free agency pool next season when it comes to power hitters, which they desperately needed. Ask any baseball executive and they will tell you Pujols and AGonz are going to get extensions. So that leaves Prince Fielder, a Boras client asking for 8 years and 200MM. If I’m an Angel fan, I don’t want to have to hope they can overpay for Prince Fielder next offseason. Look what happened when they “hoped” they could get Carl Crawford. That being said, there’s absolutely no reason why Reagins didn’t get money sent in that deal and why he gave away two solid major league contributors in addition

    • renegade24 4 years ago

      Vernon Wells career OPS is marginally better than Juan Rivera’s.

  45. davengmusic 4 years ago

    hey arte. the astros would like to trade carlos lee to you, and the cubs are offering up carlos zambrano!

  46. BillB325 4 years ago

    This makes it seem like a Soriano trade is possible!

  47. rovert22044 4 years ago

    Good swap here. I think the Jays got a very slight edge in it though. Pretty even though.

  48. Bad trade in for the Halos. They are giving up 2 good guys who combined for 41 HRs and 120 RBIs for a guy who hit 31 HRs and 88 RBIs. Angels should have gotten a good reliever or 3rd base prospect in this deal along with Wells.

  49. This is an awful trade for the Angels. Wells’ contract is terrible, and he is barely worth half of what he is getting paid. The Jays are getting a good catcher and a good outfielder to replace Wells (not necessarily offensively) but Wells is on the decline along with Torii Hunter.

  50. MetsEventually 4 years ago

    At least the Angels don’t have Castillo and Perez….

  51. Ricky Bones 4 years ago

    Looking at the numbers, the Angels essentially signed Rivera to an 80 million dollar extension.

  52. Wrek305 4 years ago

    Angels clearly won this trade they gave up next to nothing for Vernon Wells..granted it won’t make any difference in the standings the Rangers are still the better team by far. Hopefully the give Vlad a 2 yr contract that he wants

  53. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    i doubt its worse than the Rays. honestly

  54. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    a very slight edge? just a bit?

  55. basemonkey 4 years ago

    The fact that the Jays got out of such a ridiculous contract is really commendable. The fact that the Angels agreed to take it on is desperate. You have to think that this deal will come back to haunt the Angels in terms of things they won’t be able to do over the next few years because of having so much money locked up with Wells.

  56. firstavenger 4 years ago

    well, i dont know the jays roster well, at all, i have no idea who wed get in return. looking at just plain stats, i dont really see anyone fitting in with what the halos need… just venturing a guess. settle down, mongoloid.

  57. firstavenger 4 years ago

    WOW… so i guess when you said i was DUMB or HIGH for thinking wells was coming over for napoli makes you feel pretty stupid… stupid enough to change ur comment, huh? cricket… cricket…

  58. okbluejays 4 years ago

    He had a down year last year, this a buy-low trade for AA. His career walk rate is over 10%, he’s averaging over 20hr’s the past 3 years (not even in full time play). He’s a perfect DH actually, and much better than EE or whoever else they were thinking about putting at DH this year. He can also play 1B and Catcher which gives him even more value. JP is not rated as good defensive catcher, just to let you know. JP could turn into a Napoli type of player, without the walks, which makes him less valuable…I think people are overrrating JP a bit, imo. Napoli kills lefties, and Lind can’t hit a lefty, seems like a nice platoon situation at the worst.

  59. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Career BB rate is 11% … well above league average.
    Career ISO is 234 … well above league average.

    He’s a typical 3 outcome hitter but playing at catcher. Check out his wOBA and you’ll see a top 5 offensive catcher in all of baseball.

    As for defense … his caught stealing rate is terrible but who cares? That’s not all on the catcher. The fact is that there are no agreed upon metrics to measure a catchers defensive/game calling impact on the game. I think it’s fair to say that he is below average at catching and is probably in the bottom 25%. Beyond that it’s just guess work and speculation.

    For what it’s worth … in his limited time at 1B he managed to post a positive ranking with UZR. It’s a small sample size but to just write him off as inadequate defensively at any position is a little ignorant.

  60. E Scalez 4 years ago

    according to what?

  61. Commander_Nate 4 years ago

    We were, until starting about 6 weeks ago.

  62. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    think James knows about this trade yet?

  63. okbluejays 4 years ago

    His career OBP under .350 because of last year. In his previous 4 seasons before last year he posted an OBP over .350 in each one of those years. I don’t think it’s crazy to predict him around .340-.350 (Bill James has him at .336 coming off a down year, which would still be 25 points higher than Toronto’s team OBP last year, also higher than Wells’ .331 last year). I think it’s pretty safe to say that Napoli has a good eye and even if he hits .260, he should be good for a solid OBP in the mid .300’s with 25-30HR’s (Bill James would change his projection for power considering the Jays play in a hitter friendly park, while the Angels in a pitcher friendly).

  64. No way they’re taking on the whole salary.

  65. Well played.

  66. Sniderlover 4 years ago

    I just got home… so while I can’t say it here, I am having a huge WTF moment towards my screen.

    Unfreaking believable.

  67. E Scalez 4 years ago

    zero…point…zero.

  68. okbluejays 4 years ago

    This would be ideal for next year, but I don’t think the Jays are going to pick-up a guy like Manny or Vlad to be honest. Just doesn’t feel like a move AA would want to do, but I could be wrong.

  69. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    The Orioles have some stiff competition, but you can’t deny they’ve got some young talent on the team now that could be tough to play in the next couple years. Not championship worthy, sure. But +.500? I think so. Which is why that division could get really terrifying soon, without a single losing record. I think its possible..

  70. I agree. With this trade I seriously doubt they pick a DH. That would be too many DHs in the 25-man.

  71. sports33 4 years ago

    That may be my favorite moment of the 2000’s as a jays fan.

  72. kdawg89 4 years ago

    Touche’..but up till his hire they mad bad choice after bad choice..much like the Rays did back in the days of Vince Namoli.

  73. JP 4 years ago

    Wells hasn’t hit 30hrs and 100rbis since 2006..

  74. His defense is crap, hes under contract until he is 37 I believe, and he has had injury problems…..if he can continue to duplicate those numbers, fine, but I doubt he will.

  75. Ichiroll 4 years ago

    He’s 32, on contract for the next 4 years, making at least $22mm a season, the last time he had 90+ RBIs was 2006, he’s a terrible defender. Oh, and you gave up a guy who could potentially be the same type of player, gave up two guys actually.. And it wasn’t even this move in particular that made this offseason so crappy. They gave Jeff Mathis a contract, they’ve missed out on everyone they set out to get, (they coulda had Lee, and Crawford, and Beltre) — All they’ve added was two bullpen arms. So yea, this among others, was a bad bad baaad deal.

  76. damnitsderek 4 years ago

    Ahhh. I remember 1993, when RBI was a statistic that defined how good of a hitter someone is.

  77. JP 4 years ago

    (in the same season)

  78. Mick_In_Ithaca 4 years ago

    He’ll drive in 100 with the Angels. RBIs have little to do with the hitter, more to do with the OBP of the rest of the team. He hit 31 HR last year, and slugged 515. That’s far from shabby. His big weakness is OBP, but for a CF he’s got a ton of power.

  79. They aren’t.

    edit: ok.. maybe they are? If Toronto’s sending no money, then AA is the greatest GM ever.

  80. JP 4 years ago

    haha what?

    I liked Vernon…but I think the Jays fanbase is amazed (in a good way) at this deal. The contract was backbreaking.

  81. JKGocha 4 years ago

    why Napoli!! why not Kendry Morales lol

  82. JKGocha 4 years ago

    Well you know how MLB draft are. Know one really knows unless u get a good top 5 pick. As alot of players in like the 11th round have turned out good. The jays also have alot of early picks so i dont think TB would lead everyone by a mile just because of their total amount of first round picks this season.

  83. okbluejays 4 years ago

    Why do you love Wells as a player? He’s bad defensively and puts up solid numbers every 3 years. Even in his bounce back year last year he still only posted a .330OBP. I could see Napoli getting close to Wells’ HR numbers, or maybe even more now that he’s in a hitter friendly park, a long with posting a better OBP, with less doubles. Davis will be an upgrade over Wells in CF defensively, and adds some speed to this lineup which is needed. Wells won’t be some kind of huge loss for next year as you’re trying to say.

  84. grownice 4 years ago

    you have to realize, from a standpoint of the current jays, AA just unloaded an unloadable contract for two quality players, and may not even kick in any more , i mean this free’s up so much in the outfield, free’s a spot for gose so hes not blocked by vernon , if we get a 3b as some point Jbau can go back to Rf and rivera can be traded or put on the bench as the 4th of, this deal jsut makes so much sense! if jap struggles napoli can back up at catcher , and 1st is just allows for soooo much versatility now.

  85. thats bull, bautista had a great OBP, wells should have had many more RBI’s. bautista only hit .246 with RISP, so its not like he was clearing the bases all the time

  86. Can’t be more crap than Rivera’s. Nap’s at catcher isn’t anything spectacular either.

  87. is that a serious question?

  88. BK 4 years ago

    Unfortunately, with the information we have, its logical.

  89. JKGocha 4 years ago

    well i am just kinda surprised that jays didnt get anything other then Napoli? i mean their is going to be alot of teams at trade deadline that could use a player like Wells like the yankees or even Phillies.

  90. schellis 4 years ago

    If AA managed to pull this trade off without kicking in any money he’s executive of the year.

  91. He played hurt, had surgeries after both seasons to fix issues (shoulder, wrist) that were lingering most of the season.

  92. angels should go get Aramis Ramirez

  93. Angel’s fans can only hope.

  94. BillB325 4 years ago

    If you want to take Soriano with him I`m sure we would be happy to give you him for Brandon Wood and Eric Aybar. This is joke, but if you have an actual proposal I would like to hear it. No Sarcasm.

  95. JKGocha 4 years ago

    No team can have enough prospects. And elite farm doesnt mean it will turn out to be good MLB teams. The rays had an elite farm for who know how long, but still dont have a title. By the time these guys come up Price, Longoria, etc might not be there!

  96. You mean best trade of all time.

  97. mp87 4 years ago

    napoli could be a type a when he becomes eligible with his homerun numbers at the end of the season….way aa works, this might be a trade might be to make sure they eventually get 2 draft picks for vernon…and ease jpa in…mr all or nothing can fill in 3 different spots in the lineup

  98. kdawg89 4 years ago

    And we haven’t competed??? I’m sick of arguing. People that understand the game realize that the Rays are doing what they need to to ensure they are competitive for many yrs. instead of a couple. They run a small market franchise the way it should be run. The fact that they don’t want to spend ridiculous amts. of money isn’t something I’m ashamed of. You like your franchise and I’ll like mine. When all is said and done we’ll see what happens.

  99. mp87 4 years ago

    i guess they are lol

  100. Seriously? Did you SEE how much Wells was earning over the next four years?! Wells will probably struggle to be worth half of that contract and wouldn’t have even gotten that in free agency this year.

    Not to mention that ‘just Napoli’ is an understatement. Yeah, his defense is bad at C, yes, he doesn’t get on base enough, but seriously? the guy is tailor made for Toronto, he could easily see 30 HR in 2011 AND they got Rivera as well. This is a total steal by Toronto.

  101. okbluejays 4 years ago

    30hr’s is not out of the question for Napoli in the Rogers Centre, that combined with a solid OBP, he should be a decent DH/1B option for them. Also the league average may have been .335, but Toronto’s OBP was near last in the entire MLB, so adding a guy that can actually take a walk is always nice…not to mention getting rid of Wells while only giving up 5mil towards his contract, huge win for the Jays even if Napoli has the same season as last year (which he wont).

  102. Tko11 4 years ago

    Chris Bosh took his talents to south beach, just so you know.

  103. kdawg89 4 years ago

    Thank you. I wish everyone on here could discuss things without trying to push buttons and instigate fights. I appreciate how you replied.

  104. what talents?

  105. TAKE THAT JUSTIN BEIBER!!!

  106. renegade24 4 years ago

    And you’re not an actual BJ’s fan if you don’t like this trade. Sorry.

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