NL West Notes: Cantu, Giants, Rockies

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4 years 7 months ago

Of course the Padres would “prefer” to sign Jorge Cantu to a minor league deal. However, I believe he [Jorge Cantu] will receive a guaranteed MLB roster spot somewhere. Jed Hoyer better “lock it up”. The Padres need to guarantee him some Ab’s and pay the man.

orneryfish
4 years 7 months ago

Guaranteeing Georgie some ABs would be easy.
Once a week at 1B
Once a week at 2B
Once a week at 3B
A couple PH ABs and we’re up to 13-15 or more ABs in one week.
Taking over at 3B about June 1st when the Padres realize that Chase Headley will NEVER be a MLB run producer will put Cantu at about 400-450 plate appearances for 2011

The Padres have 39 on the roster, room for 1 more..

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

Getting robbed and a Red Sox spy would of been the Padres getting Lars Anderson and Michael Bowden along with Josh Reddick….remember Sox fans pushing those names down our throat? Hoyer got maximum value for Gonzalez considering if he would of hit FA they would of received 2 picks that are question marks, and I didnt even talk about Fuentes who I believe could develop into a Carl Crawford type player.

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

Would you rather have a All Star First Baseman- Or three good minor league prospects the have only seen high A- AA …… I will miss Rizzo, because he could have took over for Ortiz in 2012. Fuentes still has to prove a lot. Kelly was dominante in A ball, but still needs to show power at double A.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

I would take the three prospects mentioned because Rizzo is very talented, Casey has explosive breaking pitches and Fuentes will develop into a Carl Crawford type player, I would take three good players over one any day.

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

“I would take the three prospects mentioned because Rizzo is very talented, Casey has explosive breaking pitches and Fuentes will develop into a Carl Crawford type player, I would take three good players over one any day.” Oh so you can see the future? Fuentes “WILL” develop into a Carl Crawford type player? And they are prospects, not proven players.

4 years 7 months ago

Why no love for Eric Patterson?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

I still want to see Kelly produce above A ball before we bestow a crown on his head. I think Fuentes is going to suprise ppl.

4 years 7 months ago

If I’m a Padres fan, I’d rather have those 3 prospects and I wouldn’t even have to think twice about it. Gonzalez was set to be a FA after the 2011 season and those 3 prospects are much surer bets than 2 potential draft picks……

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

Exactly and the difference between Rizzo and Gonzalez is going to be about 10 HRs and about 20 million less.

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

Your kind of high on Rizzo. He has not proven he can bat in MLB yet. Not even AAA. He might be the next Lars Anderson, when he is 28 we can see if he panned out what he was supposed to be.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

So you think Rizzos gonna hit 40 bombs as a rookie…IN PETCO!

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

All star First Baseman Or 3 Unproven prospects. But because your a Pads fan, and I’m a Red Sox fan, we have totally different opinions.

Beersy
4 years 7 months ago

You’re exactly right. I am a Padres fan, and knowing that we couldn’t re-sign Gonzalez, I would rather have the 3 prospects as well. You being a Red Sox fan, and the Sox being able to pay him, you be crazy not to rather have Gonzalez. The Sox system is always spoken highly of and the Padres got 3 of their best prospects, so in the end, I think both teams did all right on this deal.

Injediwetrust
4 years 7 months ago

Agreed.

Hoyer explained his logic after the trade on XX1090. He knew the character and all the make up of each of the three prospects. Jed stated that did not guarantee “can’t miss” but he did say it was the lowest risk with all things considered. In addition Jed thought two draft picks, figuring the best case scenario would take longer to pay dividends than the players they got for Adrian. You can go back to Jed Hoyer interviews after the trade on XX1090. I am parapharsing a 15 min. interview. It was the first public statement Jed made with Darren Smith.

Beersy
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah I think I heard that interview. Hoyer was between a rock and a hard place and I think made quite a good deal under the circumstances. GO PADRES.

4 years 7 months ago

The Sox would rather have the All-Star First Baseman with 1 year left and a pending extension. The Padres would rather have the three good minor league prospects they can control at a low cost for 6 years.

Leonard Washington
4 years 7 months ago

I don’t recall any single person ever including Bowden, Lars, or Reddick as anything more than throw ins on that deal. It was always Rizzo, Kelly, Ellsbury (Even though it made no sense), Britton ect.

orneryfish
4 years 7 months ago

I don’t think the Padres wanted Ellsbury.

They have 1 Scott Boras client in their system ( Quiroz )

That’s plenty

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

No…I can easily remember deals put forth by crazy Sox fans (not the J.Silvers, RSD, Green Monster, Start wearing purp) types but fans none the less, who were offering packages like Bowden, Masterson, Anderson, Kalish/Reddick

55saveslives
4 years 7 months ago

Sabes should wait and see…

A full season of Posey
A full season of Bumgarner
A full season of Ross
Pablo finally serious about working out

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

muscle weighs more than fat.. just saying

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

I’m not too familiar with the Padres system

But someone explain to me how a team like the Red Sox who have been far more competitive in the last decade, compared to the Padres (therefore worse picks). End up with prospects that already skyrocketed to the top of the Padres system…

What the eff are they doing in San Diego with their scouting and player development?

4 years 7 months ago

MLB draft is a broken system + Theo is very good with drafts.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

The system may not be perfect (few are) but let’s place blame where it belongs…. with the Padres FO. They spend little on their mlb players, they receive subsidies from larger market teams and the mlb. They can afford to spend $10mil on a draft and come away with some talent.

Just in looking at what they spent from 2008-2010 they ranked 14th overall and were outspent by other small market teams like the Pirates ($11 mil+), Rays ($3 mil+) and Royals ($6 mil+).

Since 2003 they have had 36 picks in rounds 1-5 and so far they’ve seen Wade Leblanc, Nicholas Hundley, Chase Headley and Timothy Stauffer. That’s a FAIL when you consider that they’ve had 12 1st rnd or comp picks in the 03-07 drafts.

In comparison, Rizzo signed for around $350k, Fuentes around $1.15 and Kelly around $3mil. Hardly breaking the banks.

In contrast, the Royals, a team with a smaller market, less attendance, have BLOWN away all mlb teams in their drafting. There are so many examples of great drafts by small market teams and then there’s the Padres and Astros of the world.

Not broken system……bad front office/scouting.

padresfuture
4 years 7 months ago

Some Padres fans that know the farm well, would disagree with ranking them the way Baseball America did. Personally, I think Castro and Kelly are close… Jaff Decker and Rizzo are close, and Tate and Fuentes are close. The list could have easily gone:
1)Castro, 2)Kelly, 3)Tate, 4)Decker, 5)Rizzo, 6)Darnell, 7)Lollis, 8) Fuentes, 9) Cumberland, and 10) Luebke

The entire top 10 I put forth are all close in my opinion. None of the prospects are cant miss possible HOF’ers but all are easily projectible solid everyday players.

Beersy
4 years 7 months ago

I meant to reply to your post, but accidentally posted a new one, but I really wanted to discuss the system with you so I had to double post this.

I too agree that Castro and Kelly are closer in talent than BA does, hopefully they can team with Latos and Richard to form one hell of a rotation for years to come. The one problem with Decker is that I think he is going to end up as more of a John Kruk type player, which isn’t the end of the World by no means, but is not prototypical of a 1st baseman nowadays, which is where he will probably end up. Rizzo has more of a natural 1st basemans’ skill set, thats why he gets the love. Tate and Fuentes are pretty much a wash in my books too. Fuentes will have a better avg., while Tate will have better power numbers, if only he could stay healthy and on the field for any length of time.

I’m really hoping that Sampson can comeback strong this year, as he was tearing it up last season, until his injury.

This farm system has come along way in the last couple of years and hopefully it can be the pipeline of talent that Hoyer invisions. GO PADRES.

4 years 7 months ago

Much of the rankings go on tools and ceiling.

Leonard Washington
4 years 7 months ago

I think the Gonzalez trade will inevitably be considered a solid deal for both sides. If the Sox make some deep playoff runs or even win a WS it wont matter at all what those three develope into. That is unless Gonzalez falls off a cliff. As for the Padres haul, its good and possibly great. Rizzo is probably the best piece for now simply because Kelly did have some issues, and Fuentes hasn’t exactly been tested as much as he will need to be to be considered close to a sure thing. Fuentes has 144 A ball games under his belt, thats it.

Beersy
4 years 7 months ago

I too agree that Castro and Kelly are closer in talent than BA does, hopefully they can team with Latos and Richard to form one hell of a rotation for years to come. The one problem with Decker is that I think he is going to end up as more of a John Kruk type player, which isn’t the end of the World by no means, but is not prototypical of a 1st baseman nowadays, which is where he will probably end up. Rizzo has more of a natural 1st basemans’ skill set, thats why he gets the love. Tate and Fuentes are pretty much a wash in my books too. Fuentes will have a better avg., while Tate will have better power numbers, if only he could stay healthy and on the field for any length of time.

I’m really hoping that Sampson can comeback strong this year, as he was tearing it up last season, until his injury.

This farm system has come along way in the last couple of years and hopefully it can be the pipeline of talent that Hoyer invisions. GO PADRES.

4 years 7 months ago

To add to some of the discussion about the Padres farm system, according to Matt Eddy of Baseball America, the Padres farm system is now ranked 9th in all of baseball.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

I have to completely disagree, just like when the Red Sox thought they won the Josh Beckett trade only to wish upon a star to get Hanley Ramirez back, The Padres ultimately will win this trade, Rizzo is just starting and is capable of getting 25-30 HRs and was blocked by Youkilis, he is going to be great, and Kelly is awesome and has explosive breaking pitches, and I mean explosive, all he has to do is develop his fast ball to be a lights out pitcher, trust me, 4-5 years later they will re-examine this trade and the Padres will be the winner.

4 years 7 months ago

Jonathan Meyo has Fuentes, (the lessor of the three prospects) as the 8th best outfield prospect in all of baseball. One GM, said he thought Fuentes was actually the better prospects out of the three. While I disagree, it shows just how much value the Padres were able to get out of one year’s service of Adrian coming off an injury, regardless of the severity. The Padres had no way to re-sign him, none. They were hardly “robbed”! Both Rizzo and Kelly are highly regarded in ALL of baseball, not JUST the Padres organization.

Two of those players, Anthony Rizzo and Casey Kelly are in the top 100 prospects in all of baseball according to Jonathan Mayo. Casey Kelly will likely be in the top 50.

“I think the Padres found the right trading partner in the Red Sox, a team with deep pockets and a deep farm system. It’s never desirable to have to trade an Adrian Gonzalez away, but I think the Padres did well to add to the coffer of young players they already have,” said MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo.

“Rizzo is now the heir apparent at first base, and Kelly has the chance to be a rotation mainstay. Even better, both are probably a year, or less, away. And Fuentes gives the system a premium athlete with some baseball skills.”

The Padres received top tier talent from a deep farm system. Rizzo and Kelly could make a substantial impact in 2012. Rizzo, (by some) was regarded as the Sox best power hitting prospect.

elmedius
4 years 7 months ago

There needs to be some standardized way to insure people get sarcasm… I got that for sure, and laughed.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

Hahaha….I read it once and was like “That doesn’t sound bad why is he saying that” and then I read it the 2nd time and said “Ahhhhh sarcasm. That cheeky b@stard”.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

My bad i guess, I like the trade San Diego made and thought he was being serious.

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

That went right over his head. Swing and a miss.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

according to elmedius he was being sarcastic, I didnt catch the sarcasm either….

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

sigh

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

haha….never have I seen an attempt at sarcasm cause this much backlash. Never knew Socal fans were so testy.

elmedius
4 years 7 months ago

That’s why I’m for a standardized sarcasm system… a color, italics, or something…. happens all the time.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah gee I have no head because I couldnt read sarcasm, maybe if it was told to me I would catch his sarcasm being sarcasm is a tone of ones voice, I read it and felt compelled to reply, forgive me for wanting to talk baseball and having no point at all, man I am such an airhead.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

nobody likes sarcasm, its the lowest form of communication, and usually only expressed by jerks.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

I don’t know why but i see him going to the Mariners.

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

Notsureifsrs is one of the most intelligent posters on this site. He would not be dumb enough to really say “ugh three of the top four prospects in the organization, hoyer is so totally a red sox spy he got robbed so bad” and mean it. You don’t have to hear that kind of sarcasm, its to obvious.

woadude
4 years 7 months ago

I don’t care what you think of him, I read what I read and replied, doesn’t give you a right to say I have no head, I know the game of baseball just as good as anyone else, and this trade was great for San Diego, so sorry all mighty notsureifsrs for not getting your highly regarded sarcasm, with that note I am done with this site for the day.

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

Suite Yourself

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

Jerks? Someone’s Mad. Sarcasm brings smiles to people’s faces. When its coming from someone who knows how to use it, Its very funny.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

Whooaaaaa Dude….ease up.

4 years 7 months ago

Just answering Green_Monster’s question.

Green_Monster
4 years 7 months ago

It very likely could be the factor of the trade. The Sox have the money to have a All star first baseman, and many players around him, the Padres don’t as much. But if the prospects turn out good, the Padres will have them for very cheap for around 6 years

orneryfish
4 years 7 months ago

Pool knows what he speaks of.

The Padres WERE NOT going to keep Adrian and pay him 50% of the team payroll.
The Red Sox can afford him.

Paying Adrian in the neighborhood of 23 million a year out of a total payroll of 45 million
would leave 22 million for the other 39 players on the roster…
….about 600,000 apiece in other words.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

no he meant suite.

Suite yourself, as in get a suite at fenway and kick back and enjoy the game

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

sweet!

4 years 7 months ago

I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not. But I’ll wait and see what Towers gives up for Galarraga. I think Galarraga can outproduce the $2.3 mm he’s getting, especially in the NL West.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

yes…yes it does.

Judging by the state of their farm system, I think those 2 arms he sent over with ERA’s in the 5’s were the diamondbacks 5th and 7th best prospects

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

it was a joke fail on my part apparently.. I know he added an E at the end, I was just trying to put a literal spin on it

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

big bonuses only take you so far.

I’m always shocked how certain bad teams don’t even have good farm systems.. I know about the flaws in the system, they are well documented

But if the cheapos of the rays can build a farm system, there is no excuse for anyone else to use money as a deterrent

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

Tell the Padres to use the money they DON’T spend on mlb players and spend it on the draft. You how much money the average team spends on the draft?

2010 = $6.49 mil
Pads= $4.26 mil

This is what I wish for the new CBA. Instead of cutting small market teams a check. Give the designated “hardship” teams $15 mil to put towards a “franchize” players annual salary. Figure out how to prevent them from paying a guy Heath Bell $15 mil just to spend it. OR offer them half of that franchize slot to spend on the draft.

So in theory, if a team wants to keep a “Agonz” type they have $15 mil of “gift” money each year to use (the rest they pay out of pocket) or they use $7.5 mil to spend between the draft. Maybe even kick in another $3 mil for international free agents. But clearly, the Pads have not drafted very well and have NOT drafted talent worthy of bigger bonuses despite not spending money on the mlb team.

4 years 7 months ago

To be fair, the Padres finished above .500 for most of the last decade. They only stunk 2008 and 2009.

Beersy
4 years 7 months ago

Towers had a pretty bad run of hid top draft picks running into injury problems, so thats’s part of teh problem. The biggest problem, was that the former owner would never allow him the financial where with all to draft the players Towers wanted. For example, Bush over Verlander, Weaver and Drew. Towers always had his hands tied. His only year of drafting for the Padres with Jeff Moorad, who is notorious for spending on the draft, as owner resulted in the most money ever spent by the Padres on draftees. Even that draft has had mixed results, but in most of those cases it’s too soon to pass verdict yet.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

I’m not saying they were a bad team, but for the most part they’ve had better picks then the red sox.

4 years 7 months ago

So the trade was not so bad.t I don’t think Towers did such a bad job when he was in SD. For the most part he kept them competitive with a low budget.

4 years 7 months ago

Yes, but like I said for the most part they finished above .500, which means they picked 15+, while the Sox picked 25+. That 10 spot difference is easily offset by going after signability guys.

You do have a point, though, that the Padres drafting was not very good. I guess it doesn’t help that the Padres always had a propensity for going after College players only in the 1st round.

Sky14
4 years 7 months ago

one could say that the sox had better players n therefore got supplemental picks n 1st rounders when they left…Bucholz comes to mind, not sure how many boston has recieved over the years…for some reason though some teams always draft poorly too, Indians, Pirates, Astros, Royals used to be part of that group too

4 years 7 months ago

Not really. I thought he could be being facetious (that was my first though) but, I do not post that often nor know him personally to know what his personal or baseball views are. I didn’t take offense, just provided my take, backed by authoritative sources in case that particular fan was being indeed serious.

Beersy
4 years 7 months ago

They have started to spend on the draft and international signings in recent years. I believe only the Yankees and Redsox spent more on amateur signings than the Padres from ’07-’09. They had a ton of money on the table for draftees on the signing deadline, however 3 of their more interesting draft picks chose college over turning pro. If they continue to spend on the draft, with Hoyer and McLeods’ track record in Boston, they should be alright in a couple of years. As you know it does take awhile to get through the minors.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

I was looking for a list from before but couldn’t find it.

2008- Yanks ($5.1 mil, ranked 19th), Sox ($10.5 mil, ranked 2nd), Pads ($5.4 mil, 17th)

2009- Yanks ($7.5 mil, ranked 9th), Pads ($9.1mil, 5th), Sox ($7 mil, 10th)

Bigger markets aren’t the big bad wolfs. Pads are not spending on mlb players then they should be among the biggest in the drafts like the Royals and Pirates.

Beersy
4 years 7 months ago

I’m assuming you’re disputing my figures, well my figures were from Paul DePodestas’ site, former assistant GM for the Padres. He claimed that the Padres were 3rd in draft/international spending in those years, so I can only quote what I read. I also agree with you that teams like the Padres need/should spend heavy on the draft, but the Padres former owner would not allow Towers to do so. Moorad definately has a different view of this, seeing as he was once an agent himself, and seems to be very willing to spend on draftees. I was on Baseball Americas’ site today and Matt Eddy said that the Padres system will be ranked 9th overall in the upcoming Prospect Handbook after the infusion of talent coming back in the Gonzalez trade, which is a very good sign for a team that usually ranked in the mid 20’s.

As for your “big bad wolfs” comment, which I liked, I know that the big markets aren’t ruining baseball, but they are driving up contracts for not only the great players, but also the so-so players as well and that’s what is hurting the smaller markets, in my opinion.

I like the fact that baseball doesn’t have a salary cap, rather the luxary tax process they have, but I do wish that baseball brought in a minimum salary cap, if that makes any sense. Spending doesn’t guarantee winning, as you would know the Yankees don’t win it every year, but the smaller markets pocketing funds given to them by the big spenders isn’t right either. Of course with that process the smaller market teams would be forced to overpay players just to get to the minimum salary. There is no easy answer to this problem.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 7 months ago

One of his strengths has been able to come up with pitching on the cheap, especially bullpen arms. He’s found some good, cheap, starters in the past too.

New coaching staff, new league-I can see Galaragga being decent for the one season they are committed to him.