AL West Notes: Guerrero, Wells, Mariners

Some notes on the AL West with an update on a potential Hall of Famer and another take on the Vernon Wells trade…

  • Rangers president Nolan Ryan told the Dallas Morning News that he hasn't ruled out bringing Vladimir Guerrero back. Ryan likes the idea of adding another powerful bat, but suggests Vlad may seek more playing time elsewhere.
  • Richard Durrett of ESPNDallas.com examines this prediction of Ryan's: Texas will win 90-95 regular season games in 2011.
  • Dave Cameron of FanGraphs wonders if the Vernon Wells trade is, at least from the Angels' perspective, the most inexplicable deal in recent history.
  • The Mariners, who select second in this June's draft, will consider amateur players including Anthony Rendon, Gerrit Cole, Matt Purke and George Springer, according to MLB.com's Greg Johns.


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52 Comments on "AL West Notes: Guerrero, Wells, Mariners"


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monkeyspanked
4 years 5 months ago

It just feels bad to be an Angel fan right now. Probably how it’s felt most of Angel’s existence. (except ’02-’09)

Move over Pirates. There’s a new pathetic kid on the block.

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

I wouldn’t go that far.

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Because the angels spent over what a player was worth to bring in a good player? I can agree with most teams would not of made the same move but I do not see the pirates bringing in good players. The angels will be a much tougher team then the pirates. With their rotation I can see them making a playoff push in the west. It will come down to what angels to we see. The 2009 version with everyone batting .300+ or the 2010 version where literally everyone had an offseaon.

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Heck, even the Pirates have overpaid for players. Ryan Doumit’s contract is horrendous, and more recently they signed Lyle Overbay (past his prime and useless) and Kevin Correia (good stats at Petco and AT&T, otherwise below average SP) for way more than they are worth!

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Mark H
4 years 5 months ago

Sign Vlad Orioles!

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TwinsVet
4 years 5 months ago

Here’s what makes the Wells trade stand out above all others as historically inexplicable:

IT IS QUANTIFIABLE IN THE PRESENT.

Napoli and Rivera aren’t merely prospects. They have established track records and their production is reasonably predictable. The same goes for Wells. We’re not talking a “Colon for Phillips-Lee-Sizemore” deal, because in that case, a GM can reasonably say, “Oops, didn’t really realize the talent we had there”.

Toronto knew exactly what they were getting, and how much it would cost them over the coming years. Anaheim knew exactly what they were getting and giving up, and how much it would cost them over the coming years. Most other bad deals you see are a case wherein one of the teams did not realize AT THE TIME what they were giving up or getting.

All the cards are fully on the table in this deal. And Anaheim still pulled the trigger. Inexcusable.

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Even if we’re living in a vacuum where money is infinite, you could still make a case that Napoli has more value than Wells by himself.

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Its kind of like how you can make a case that Wells has more value then Napoli and Rivera.

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bjsguess
4 years 5 months ago

You hit the nail on the head.

In the other deals cited by Cameron they involved prospects. It is inherent that dealing away any prospect, no matter how good they may look, is a fairly risky proposal. In this case you are dealing away 2 established ML players for 1 established ML player. There is very little that we don’t know about any of the three players.

The Angels have to hope and pray that Wells stays healthy AND plays at his 2010 levels. Odds of that happening are about 10%. It was an idiotic trade anyway you look at it. Especially when you consider that they passed on Crawford and Beltre for financial reasons. Horrible, horrible trade.

I hope Moreno is reading what EVERYBODY is saying about this deal. Reagins should be fired today – along with his front-office staff that suggested that this was some sort of a good deal. I’m still in shock over this as an Angels fan.

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

I wouldn’t worry to much about the trade. The Angels are better off with it. Fact is Napoli and Juan Rivera were getting pinched out of the Angels lineup with the return of Morales. Their production was due to drop off and not be a large enough presence in the Angels lineup. By picking up Wells if he stays healthy he will provide more production for the Angels as players on the bench can easily match the production of Juan Rivera.

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FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

one analogy i like.

Anthopoulos shows Reagins his hand: pair of Aces
Reagins’ hand: pair of 2s

Reigins: I’m all in

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TwinsVet
4 years 5 months ago

Ha. Love it.

Guest
4 years 5 months ago

nap is arb elligable for 2 more years =15 mil, rivera 5.25 mil slash 86 mil (Wells).. u get Wells for 64 mil for 4 years=16 mil a year. not that bad,,CONSIDERING ARTE doesnt give a F..about $$$$ now…

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bjsguess
4 years 5 months ago

Your math (and thinking) is off …

Napoli won’t earn $15m over his 2 arb years. His max this year is $6m. Might end up at $5m. An estimate of $13m is a little more reasonable (unless Napoli totally goes off and it makes this trade look even worse).

The bigger issue is that Moreno does give an F about money since he clearly used that as an excuse to skip on Crawford and Beltre. And he certainly will give an F about money with a payroll sitting at $150m, a team that can win maybe 85 games, and Weaver/Morales coming up on FA. Unless Moreno is going to jack payroll into the Red Sox/Phillies/Yankees stratosphere the Angels will be hamstrung severely by this deal. I think it’s fair to say that the next 4 years are looking more and more like sustained mediocrity.

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$1529282
4 years 5 months ago

Wells at 4/64 would be awful, even if that were an accurate comparison, which it’s not.

You’re assuming Napoli and Rivera will be essentially worthless, but the fact remains that, offensively speaking, Napoli could very likely put together two BETTER seasons for a fraction of the price, especially with him moving to homer-happy Toronto and Wells moving to Angel Stadium. Paying $23M a season for a below-average “center fielder” (I use that term lightly for Wells’ defense) when you could be paying $5M-$7M for a plus offensive catcher instead makes zero sense.

The Angels took someone with positive trade value (Napoli) and packaged him for the player with the most negative trade value in all of baseball.

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mkorpal
4 years 5 months ago

“The Mariners, who select second in this June’s draft, will consider amateur players”

Wow, glad the Mariners aren’t looking at established MLB players in the draft/sarcasm.

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yazpik
4 years 5 months ago

Yeah, maybe they can consider selecting Albert Pujols, haha…

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Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

I heard they were coming out with a second Pujols.

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4 years 5 months ago

maybe they can get tim lincecum this time

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CrustyJuggler
4 years 5 months ago

Yeah. Big shocker there. So the Mariners ARE going to be looking at drafting a top amateur with the #2 overall pick then? Breaking news, that.

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CrustyJuggler
4 years 5 months ago

Yeah. Big shocker there. So the Mariners ARE going to be looking at drafting a top amateur with the #2 overall pick then? Breaking news, that.