Quick Hits: Ortiz, Cabrera, Pujols, Astros

On this date in 2008, the Rockies signed Scott Podsednik. The Blue Jays did just that yesterday, agreeing to a minor league deal with the speedy outfielder. Here are some links for Thursday…

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  1. Eric Champion 4 years ago

    Pretty sure Albert said this morning that all the numbers the media and writers threw out were way off and made him and his agent laugh, also saying that he thinks the FO is laughing as well. So im pretty sure i believe Albert more then the writers and especially Yahoo Sports. still doesn’t mean cards get a deal done but im just saying that according to Albert all the numbers that they have been throwing around are wrong.

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      Yea. I’ve been laughing at the sports writers for a while now. They know nothing and are feeding off each others unnamed sources and assumptions. I’m a financial analyst. If I did that, I wouldn’t have a job (and my company would suffer for it). These guys do it, and they get acclaim (and bring in a larger audience for their networks/papers) for being the first one to get the numbers out… and if hindsight proves them wrong, who cares? because there’s tomorrow’s story that’ll be captivating headlines and they don’t have to be accurate about that one either.

      I swear, integrity in journalism is a joke. Not just in baseball either… but that’s a whole nother can of worms I don’t desire to get into.

      Also, I understand this is a ‘rumors’ site, and most rumors are false, but there has to be a filter at some point, no?

      • wickedkevin 4 years ago

        Well, I guess posting something like that by Abraham generates rumors (unless you actually read the article). For example, just look at the comments.

        • Eric Champion 4 years ago

          Abraham’s article wasn’t bad at all. im talking more about Ken Rosenthal and Heyman. they are the ones that continue to start rumors about Money and Yrs yet they know nothing about the negotiations.. all they have is “Unnamed Sources” and it starts to get a little frustrating. Im sure most ppl feel the same way when its about there teams and favorite players.

      • Eric Champion 4 years ago

        I agree at some point the writers need to be accurate i mean they are making money off of these players talents.

      • 0bsessions 4 years ago

        “Also, I understand this is a ‘rumors’ site, and most rumors are false, but there has to be a filter at some point, no? ”

        There has to be some sort of filter. Tim has yet to post anything about that E-Mail I sent him about the Sox trading Daniel Nava for Albert Pujols and cash considerations.

        In regards to rumors posted by sports writers? Well, yeah, I guess some of these rumors might seem silly, until the mystery team signs the offseason’s biggest name. Tim and company cannot afford to pick and choose which rumors they do and do not consider viable when posted by known commodities. If they did that, their relevance would quickly fade.

        • Redbirds16 4 years ago

          Granted. And I think this site is pretty amazing, which is why I frequent it.

          But this just appears to be Rosenthal reporting something that, from what I gather from both sides of the negotiations, is pretty far from the truth.

          I mean, these are the same guys who reported a week ago that the first offer from the Cards had been proposed two weeks ago, when in reality the Cards proposed their first offer around the first of the year (6 weeks ago, Mo confirmed this in the press conference yesterday)… I mean, they’re a month behind the times just on knowing whether or not an offer had been made. On the Rasmus trade request last summer, no one found out about it until 2 months after the request had been made. Mo and the Cardinals run a pretty tight ship. Must be frustrating for these sports writers to actually get a good tip…

          • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

            But this just appears to be Rosenthal reporting something that, from what I gather from both sides of the negotiations, is pretty far from the truth.

            So you’re saying we should believe you over Rosenthal, because, we just should. Yes?

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            No, You can watch the interviews with Bill Dewitt, John Mozeliak, Dan Lozano, and Albert Pujols. They all have said that the reports about the negotiations are not accurate. But since there is still alot of negotiating to be done, they still are not going to talk about specifics with the media. I do think we can believe them(ya know, the people that were there) over Rosenthal, Olney etc.

          • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

            Of course, because agents and GMs never lie, especially during negotiations, right? =P

            But I do see your point.

          • Eric Champion 4 years ago

            Also he talks about his sources saying they are close to the negotiations. I remember Mo saying it was always Pujols agent and him in a room no one else and on rare occasions Dewitt was in the room. So who is Mo telling? maybe his wife is the one giving away Info in these negotiations. lol

            And it could be just something that the FO is telling the writers and media to get them off there backs, im sure the writers trying to get a scoop are like Vultures and every little bit of info is like the Holy Grail so you just never know whats going on i guess but for the time being i don’t believe anything these writers are saying about negotiations between Big Al and The Cards

        • jondogg2010 4 years ago

          gosh, you mean that trade won’t happen. bummer

          (leaves room)

  2. monkeyspanked 4 years ago

    OF course the Yanks and Red Sox have interest in Pujols! Who doesn’t? And they only have 2 of the best. But that’s not good enough huh?

    • wickedkevin 4 years ago

      Sox need a catcher, Pujols looks like a big guy 😉

      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

        Hey, Al. Can you catch?

        – T. Epstein

        • Green_Monster 4 years ago

          Wow, putting – T. Epstein at the end? Dude, come on, you know the Sox don’t have anything close to the Yankees pitching problems, the Yankees rotation is only average, while the Sox is way above average.

          – B. Cashman

  3. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    Please Peter Abraham. Shut up. You’ve just encouraged thousands of idiotic Red Sox fans to believe in the insanely stupid. Yes, Boston has a passing interest. There are 30 teams that will have “passing interest” in the best player in the major leagues. But we don’t need an article about it, thanks.

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      Just selling papers buddy. Newsies may have changed their look, but they’re still peddling the streets, getting coin from those who don’t know better than to read the trash they write.

      • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

        *sigh* Yeah, I know. Gotta put something on those pages….It’s going to be especially painful reading basically any Boston comment board for, oh, a couple years now though. 😛

      • Redbirds16 4 years ago

        And in his defense, he wrote this disclaimer at the top of the page…

        “(Disclaimer: By no means do I believe this will actually happen and not one person in the Red Sox organization has suggested this is what they will do.)”

    • nhlegend 4 years ago

      Read Peter’s blog post. He wrote a disclaimer at the top. If Sox fans don’t read his post and just hear gossip and excerpts from it, then yes, they will “believe in the insanely stupid” and others will react in the opposite direction with ad hominem attacks on Peter.

  4. What is the over-under that Adrian Gonzalez’s agent just added a “no trade” to the contract extension with the Red Sox?

    • I’ll put the over/under at 0.5 no-trade clauses included in his contract.

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      I think a no-trade clause (or at least a limited one) was pretty much a certainty from the beginning of the contract.

  5. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    The only way the Sox/Yanks sign Pujols is if, (since there are few big market teams involved) the price drops to $20mil or lower a year for about 6-7 years.

    • 1) The price is never going to be under 20 mil until he’s maybe 50 years old;2) If the price came anywhere near 20 mil all 30 team would be in on him not just the Yankees or BoSox

    • I think that’s a pretty big exaggeration. You don’t think the Red Sox or Yankees would leap at the opportunity to sign Pujols for $22/year over 8 years ($176M total)?

      Those are arbitrary numbers I’m throwing out, it’s just to say that the Yanks or Sox would be falling over each other to sign Pujols for <$200M (which obviously wouldn't happen because the Cardinals would easily match that).

      Edit: Andrew pretty much beat me to it and decided not to be as long-winded as me.

      • wickedkevin 4 years ago

        I don’t. At all. What happens once Lester’s, Pedroia’s, Bucchholz’, Jacoby’s, Salty’s contracts expire? In just a couple years, the Sox will need to reinvest money into the team. In about 4-5 years, they will need much more money to resign players like Lester and Buchholz.

        • Contracts come off the books, too. They don’t just add on. Lester, Pedroia, Buchholz and Ellsbury are all under team control for 3+ years.

          Papelbon, Jenks, Drew, Ortiz, Scutaro, Cameron, Daisuke, Wheeler, Wakefield and Vartiek all expire during that time. It also probably wouldn’t be a big deal to have their payroll increased for a year or two before contracts like Beckett and Lackey expire (who likely won’t be extended beyond those years). There’s also trades, etc.

          If they could have Pujols for less than $200M, you can bet they’d find a way to make that work.

          • wickedkevin 4 years ago

            You are also assuming that we won’t sign FA pitchers to replace Daisuke, Beckett, Lackey, or the bullpen.

          • I’m not assuming that, I’m just saying if they wanted to get Pujols they could decide to go cheaper at those positions, trade for players or replace them internally.

          • They won’t have to sign any big name pitchers. They have Lester and Bucholtz that are going to be aces so they will need 3 average pitchers for the rest of the rotation. I also think they keep Paps for a few more years and they also have Bard so there is 2 very good bullpen pitchers so a few more lower grade pitchers and you are set there.

          • wickedkevin 4 years ago

            “They won’t have to sign any big name pitchers.” I stopped reading after that. You are way to sure of yourself.

          • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

            They could have Pujols with payroll under 170 million easily!

  6. There’s no way the Sox chase Pujols. Paying him huge $$$ to DH is absolutely foolish.

    • Pujols would play first A-Gon would DH and the Red Sox have $50 million coming off the books after the year. I think he ends up in Boston next year.

      • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

        that makes zero sense. Make the younger, more athletic, stronger fielder in A-Gon DH while the older, competent-while-not-dazzling Pujols gets to play 1B? I can’t see the logic in that.

        EDIT: By competent I mean Pujol’s glove, not his bat obviously.

  7. Edit: posted in the wrong place, durr.

  8. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    And for the record, there was no such E-Mail, though I’m reasonably sure that he would not have posted anything if there were.

  9. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    Swisher’s salary is probably going to be allocated for a new right fielder should the team actually decline his option (Which I find highly unlikely), considering I’m pretty sure they’re very thin in terms of outfield depth in their system.

  10. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    “There is ZERO chance Drew resigns with the Red Sox. He has said it, and they have said it. He’s going to retire, and the Sox are moving on to Kalish.”

    Citation needed.

    • jondogg2010 4 years ago

      Who the hell cares if he retires, he just isn’t going to be a Red Sox in 2012. i would laugh my ass off if he signs with the phillies, because they need a lefty OF bat. lmao with a side of holy irony. That said I don’t think that will happen. Oh and to think Lester and Buchholz can be easily replaced, they have more value on the Red Sox than Pujols has on the Cards. Nuff said.

  11. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    The Sox’ biggest strength in the minors has been pitching for years now. Much as I hate to say it, if it comes down to it, Buchholz and Lester could probably be replaced internally by the time it’s necessary.

    • Obsessions, your reply button is trolling you.

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago


      • 0bsessions 4 years ago

        Touche. Forget those bums Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard and (despite recent events, he was developed well, just chose to change his arm slot) Jonathan Papelbon.

  12. TwinsVet 4 years ago

    If you’re Cabrera, are you telling me you can’t afford a personal driver? I’m sure scores of high school kids would do it for free, just for the chance to meet the guy for a few weeks.

    • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

      At this point a driver isn’t even a minor concern. He took a bottle of scotch and drank it infornt of the cops. Thats not normal behavior even for an alcoholic. A DUI is serious, but his issues he is having are far deeper than legal trouble. He needs help and quickly and I hope he gets it. It would be a shame to see alcohol destroy such an amazing talent. It would be unfair to the game to have a substance ruin him.

      • TwinsVet 4 years ago

        Totally agree. I’ve drank plenty in my day, but I never know ANYBODY who drank pulls of *scotch* straight from the bottle.

        And his “Do you know who I am? Do you know the problems I have?” eludes to some serious inner turmoil. I don’t think alcohol is his problem – that’s just a symptom of some deeper problems he has.

        • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

          Yeah it really sounds like there is some really deep seeded problems he’s got. It’s sad that this had to happen but hopefully this will be a blessing in disguise.

          It’s just awful to hear something like this happening to him when he gives so much back to the community and to kids. He needs to help himself as much as he helps others right now.

        • 0bsessions 4 years ago

          “Totally agree. I’ve drank plenty in my day, but I never know ANYBODY who drank pulls of *scotch* straight from the bottle.”

          Women. You hang out exclusively with women (I jest).

          “Do you know who I am? Do you know the problems I have?”

          Am I a bad person if the first thing I thought was “picking throws?”

        • verlander 4 years ago

          //And his “Do you know who I am? Do you know the problems I have?” eludes to some serious inner turmoil. I don’t think alcohol is his problem – that’s just a symptom of some deeper problems he has.//

          I hate to say this, since you’re obviously a Twins fan, but I agree.

          It reminds me of a comment he made last winter. I wish I could find the article, but the impression I got from it was that there was a deeper problem there (my guess was depression or anxiety) and alcohol abuse was the symptom.

          Of course, I’m only armchair psychoanalyzing so take this all with a grain of salt.

          • TwinsVet 4 years ago

            Hey man, just cause we like different teams doesn’t mean we both can’t be smart, insightful guys 😉

            The comment from last year I’m guessing you’re thinking of is when he said “you guys say alcoholism. That’s not what it is. I don’t know how to say it, but its not alcoholism.” (or something close to that)

            I hope the guy recovers 100% and continues to be an amazing talent. Baseball is a better game with him. Of course, I hope his 130 RBI are still only good enough for a second place finish 😉

  13. Red_Line_9 4 years ago

    How old is Miguel Cabrera? He doesn’t need a mentor as much as he needs a Moped so he desn’t kill someone.

  14. Chris1G 4 years ago

    Pujols is going to the Royals he went to high school in or around Kansas City. It’s like the Cliff Lee going to the Yankees thing, just because Lee’s wife and Sabathia’s wife are friends he has to go to the Yankees right. And look Lee is now with the Yan……oh wait maybe not.

  15. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    I died a little inside when I read about Cabrera this morning. If he gets suspended (which I would hate to see, but probably should happen), he better come back ready to mash and make up for lost time. This puts a huge damper on the beginning of the season and he needs to get some help.

    • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

      I doubt he will be suspended but a lengthy rehab is more likely.

    • Motor_City_Bombshell 4 years ago

      He’s not getting suspended.

  16. Prediction- Miguel Cabrera will be the American League MVP in 2011.
    As for the mentor thing, whatever the Tigers did with him last year worked pretty well. Obviously, there is a problem there, and it needs to be addressed. A stand up guy gets hammered and turns into a total jerk to police, to his wife, to a kid that he met in the hotel last year. He needs to give up the booze, period.

    • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

      They had andres gallaraga working with him in spring training. He has similar issues once and miggy really seemed to value his tutelage. I hopethey bring him back to help him.

      I hope youre right with the MVP prediction but it may be impossible if he spends the next 4-6 months in rehab. I hope it doesn’t come to that but if it’s what he needs to get healthy then it’s something the organization has to do. The tigers have always been class in their actions-I hope they don’t do a 180 an put him out on the field while he’s still battling his issues

      • verlander 4 years ago

        Galarraga also kept in touch with him via phone calls. I do think he needs someone with him though, in addition to his wife, if she stays with him in-season.

  17. Red_Line_9 4 years ago

    There will always be sympathy for an athlete with a problem in the civilian world but woe-be-the day that that athlete puts up horrible numbers. That’s when the teeth and knives come out.

    • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

      Kind of–I pretty sure the average Joe shmoe gets more sympathy at work after his DUI. People here in Detroit are calling for his head and I dont know any regular Joe getting this kind of disdain from others for their mistakes.

  18. jondogg2010 4 years ago

    I would, as a die hard Red Sox fan, be more than estatic to have him play RF in 2012 for the Sox. He could play RF for 4 years then DH full time there after. Sort of backwards as far as position wise and the way players normally play out their careers, but it would certainly make for one damn potent offense. I don’t expect it to happen, but Theo works in funny ways. How many (not even myself I’d hoped but not expected) Carl Crawford to sign with the Sox. That said unless they offer $25 MM per it’s prob not even a realistic thing to think would happen. But the chance to rake at Fenway my God he would hit 50 doubles and 50 Homers a year and bat .350. For that kind of production and saying he wants to be the “best player of all time”, I’d sign with Boston but that’s just me.

  19. CommissionerBart 4 years ago

    Tigers risk losing their whole team investment by keeping Cabrera…..bad clubhouse karma now if not before (an abuser of alcohol and allegedly of women and cops isn’t fun to have around)….plus at any time he could face jail or suspension…..mgmt should try to void his contract or trade him for what you can get for him….some other team would probably offer something of a significant return which is better than keeping him around or eventually getting nothing for him.

    • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

      Wrong on all accounts minus the alcohol/cop abuse.

    • Motor_City_Bombshell 4 years ago

      What the hell?! Are you serious?! This is quite the non-thought out comment. Get your facts straight before you post something, many believe he’s not getting suspended or any jail time period, and the fact that he’s the team’s best offensive player by a long shot makes him untradeable to begin with. His contract is so large that most teams can’t afford him let alone trade for him, and the Tigers would ask for so much back in return everyone would lose interest. He’s not getting traded. His contract isnt getting voided. He’s staying put. period. end of story. Detroit needs Cabrera. His contract isn’t getting voided. I’m sick of hearing these kinds of things. The dude drank and drove, so do hundreds of Americans nightly, and yet we point out the guy who plays baseball for a living.

      • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

        Totally agree. Plus, Cabrera needs the tigers.

        He’s incredibly lucky he is in that organization because they will do all they can to help him.

        • verlander 4 years ago

          The Tigers stuck by him before. Can’t see why they wouldn’t after this latest incident.

    • verlander 4 years ago

      As others have said, get your facts straight. Cabrera’s wife hit him in the head with a cell phone. Granted, he earned her wrath, but still.

  20. I’ve made a pretty solid habit out of watching the Astros’ minor league system, and though we all knew it was weak, it wasn’t until Wade and Heck started turning things around that we really realized quite HOW weak it was. We’ve still got a ways to go, but the direction we’re on is so much more encouraging than even three short years ago.

  21. Its laughable to think that the Red Sox are going to sign Gonazalez and then turn around and sign Albert Pujols as a DH. Neither of these guy are going to go for that. Both are exceptional defensive players and take pride in that aspect of the game. Pujols is not going to join a team just to swing a bat every 3 innings. If the Red Sox are smart, they’ll sign Gonzalez while they have him. There’s an old saying that if you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both, they are more likely to sign Gonzalez as opposed to holding out and losing out on Pujols, and in turn losing Gonzalez. But then I’m sure Price Fielder would be more than happy to play in Boston.

  22. Motor_City_Bombshell 4 years ago

    Ok, Andres, whatever you did last year worked perfect, come back and help out Miggy again.

    Although I strongly believe V-Mart could play a huge part in that clubhouse mentor role. I’ve heard time and time again about “you’re never going to meet a better guy”…maybe he can set Cabby straight?

    • Pawsdeep 4 years ago

      Makes you wish they would have atleast signed Damon as a coach on the 25an roster

    • verlander 4 years ago

      I think the team would be best served by hiring a mentor like Johnny Narron.

  23. MB923 4 years ago

    I’d only call it way above average if the 3-4-5 pitchers can get their act together. It’s the same rotation as last year, and last year it was about average.

  24. MB923 4 years ago

    That can be said about almost any teams fan then can’t it?

  25. MB923 4 years ago

    Wow now it’s not letting me reply either, stupid Disqus

  26. starwarsgeekperson 4 years ago

    OH yea we do

  27. Are you the salary police? They certainly could have both and stay under the Yankee’s salary. I would much rather have A-Gon and Pujols back to back then have A-Rod Jeter or Tex for approximately the same money.

  28. tomymogo 4 years ago

    What if they don’t sign Adrian to an extension? They could go after Pujols, the best player in the game. Plan B Adrian. Plan C Prince.

  29. MB923 4 years ago

    Boston’s payroll is at $158 I believe which does not include A-Gon’s extension. I’m sure A-Gon and Pujols will make at least a combined total of $50 million (not both by Boston of course, just approximating). Yankees payroll currently is at $193 million I believe. Yes the Red Sox drop payroll next year but so do the Yankees (although not as much)

    I don’t expect either of the 2 to get him and I think it would be a waste for both of them. Of course I’d take Pujols over A-gone and Teixiera though. But if the Red Sox lock up A-Gone, I don’t see any sense in them, or the Yankees, to even think about getting Pujols.

  30. Muggi 4 years ago

    So which guy is giving up playing the field? I can’t see either accepting being a mostly full-time DH, regardless of money.

  31. Muggi 4 years ago

    So which guy is giving up playing the field? I can’t see either accepting being a mostly full-time DH, regardless of money.

  32. Yankee_Baal 4 years ago

    Neither A-Gon nor Pujols would want to be a DH (even part time). They’re both stellar with the glove and playing field is the only thing that makes sense for both of them at this stage of their careers. Plus, the length of their contracts would most likely overlap and neither would ever have the chance of playing full time 1B without the other.

  33. MB923 4 years ago

    It would be an awful idea for each of them. Neither of the 2 need offense (as of now)

  34. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    “Yankees will be shedding tons of payroll over the next few seasons as they drop their old/huge contracts.”

    I think tons is a bit of an exaggeration. The Yankees have $120MM+ locked up amongst six players through 2013 and even if they manage to shed the salaries of guys like Swisher, Posada, Rivera, Sabathia, Cano and Granderson, they’re still going to have to replace them (That’s basically a third of their lineup). I think you overestimate the financial flexibility the Yankees have going forward.

  35. johnsilver 4 years ago

    “Pujols is said to want $275 million over 10 years, the same deal that crackpot Hank Steinbrenner gave Alex Rodriguez.”

    That quote by Abraham explains why the NYY will never be able to control themselves salary wise, nor ever be able to shed themselves of older and under performing stars.. Hank Steinbrenner going over the GM’s head and giving out ill advised contracts to people that have no buisness getting them and hand cuffing the team for years to come with dead weight. he has already done it 2 times with HUGE contracts in the last 3 years, given an extremely player friendly contract with multiple walk options as well to another over his GM’s advise.

    The best weapon the opposition could have is good old Hankie.

  36. RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

    Winning multiple world championships is a bad idea? OK?

  37. Boston loses Ortiz’s and Drew’s contracts after this year so that is an extra 26 million off the books. say A-Gon signs for 20/yr(just a guess), thats a 13.5 million increase over this year so they still have 13 million left over so if Pujols wants 30 million they are “only” adding 17 million onto their salary and I would say it is well worth it for Pujols.

    *edit* Mike Cameron comes off the books too which is another 7.75 million.

  38. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    “They cannot afford both and would not be under the Yankees salary if they signed both after this season. And it wouldn’t be close either.”

    The Yankees have $153MM allocated to 2012 (Assuming Posada, Swisher and Cano are all shown the door, more than likely, only Posada will leave, leaving them closer to $170 million), the Sox have $101. If they sign Gonzalez AND Pujols long term (And no, I don’t think it will happen) to 22 (Which is what the alleged parameters are) and 30 million, respectively, would add $52 million. Considering DH is the only position we don’t have a potential internal option for in terms of replacing starting player salary coming off the books (Drew and Ortiz), plugging in Pujols there and slotting Kalish in as the new RF, we’d be at $153 as well.

    So yes, the Sox could very easily add Pujols and remain under the Yankees payroll.

  39. RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

    More like Captain Oblivious cuz you’re still babbling when you’re wrong and the numbers prove it! They would still be around 40 million under the Yankees payroll with both AGonz and Pujols too genius!

  40. MB923 4 years ago

    True, although even ESPN thought of an article to write about Cashman’s thoughts of Pujols LOL.

    Cashman said “Only if he can pitch”

  41. nhlegend 4 years ago

    From reading your replies, I can see you apparently didn’t read Peter Abraham’s blog post. Take 2 minutes and read it. The Red Sox most likely will not sign Pujols, but they have the cash to sign him and Gonzalez and have a lower payroll than they currently have. Read Abraham’s blog post.

  42. He sucks? Really? A world series winning, MVP winning, Home Run Derby winning, All Star 1B “sucks.”

    Boy, the game is sure different nowadays. Have fun in third place, Yankees. Can’t wait to watch your organization explode this summer when you’re 15 games back of the Red Sox.

  43. nhlegend 4 years ago

    Will every other teams’ rotation get worse if the Yankees “shoot the moon” on every bad FA starting pitcher?

  44. strikethree 4 years ago

    Umm… I like Prior but I agree with everything else.

    Howard doesn’t “suck” but he shouldn’t be getting paid what he is now and as far as Pujols is concerned… well okay, compared to Pujols, Howard sucks a little. (but we can basically make that comp with every other player out there)

  45. woadude 4 years ago

    Yeah Millwood to replace CC when he opts out so you can trade Tex and get Pujols right?

  46. MB923 4 years ago

    Yeah but who is to say Boston won’t re-sign Drew or sign another OFer? Sure Drew will not get the same amount if he returns, but that doesn’t mean they won’t spend big on another OFer. I’m not saying it will happen but never rule anything out.

  47. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Papelbon 12 mil.

  48. Muggi 4 years ago

    Your guess is about 20-25% under what I’d guess AGon gets. IMO there’s virtually zero chance he signs that cheap.

  49. The Yankees payroll right now is 200 mil and a few hundred thousand dollars. The only contract coming off of the next year is Posada’s I believe at 13.1 million.

  50. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    Actually, I’d rather take Tex (and possibly even AGon) over Pujols. Albert is definitely the better player, however, he’s older, and wants a deal that ends when he is 41/42 at about 30m a year. I’d rather keep Tex until his deal runs out (age 35?, 36?), with slightly less production and a few less $.

  51. RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

    The Sox could easily stay under the luxury tax(unlike the Yankees)and have both Pujols and AGonz signed long term! They actually lose 62 million next year( Abraham forgot Scutaro’s 6 mil) and with 16 mil added to Agonz’s deal they will have 46 mil to spend and only a DH to fill( Lowrie and Iglesias at SS and Kalish in RF)!

  52. Agree but if they think they have a chance at Pujols I can see them running an OF of Ellsbury, Crawford and Kalish/Nova/McDonald.

  53. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    Kalish is (hopefully) the reason why they won’t resign Drew.

    I still think Pujols is a HUGE longshot though. Mostly because you’ve got to imagine his price goes up if he’s not playing first. And there’s no way you start Pujols in the field over A-Gon.

  54. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    Ryan Kalish is the plan for RF next year. He’ll be practically free by MLB standards.

    FWIW, I would look into switching Crawford and Kalish. It would be great to see Crawford covering all that ground in RF, rather than wasted in that small left field.

  55. Even with the back logged contracts the Red Sox will have more flexibility. With all of those guys leaving the Yankees will need to get 2 OF’s a SS a reliever and a reliever or 2 and another SP somewhere down the line. The Sox have far less holes to fill with the in house options being able to fill the RF opening which is the only immediate hole to fill.

  56. ellisburks 4 years ago

    Big contracts over after 2011 for Boston. David Ortiz, Papelbon, JD Drew, Mike Cameron. Ballpark, that is $47 million off the books I think if the Sox replace Ortiz with Pujols, Cameron and Drew with internal candidates Kalish/Nova/McDonald and Papelbon with either Bard or Jenks then the money coming off the books will more than make up for the increased salary of A-Gon and Pujols.

  57. ellisburks 4 years ago

    He used the wrong stats but Howard does not suck. 20.9 WAR, .944OPS, 140 OPS+ and 253 HR in 5 1/2 seasons. I will take that sucky player on my team any day.

  58. If he signs a Howard contract its 20,20,20,25,25,25.

  59. Gonzalez is better than Howard, and everybody knows it.

    Edit: And younger.

  60. Muggi 4 years ago

    Why would he sign for 6/135 when mutiple teams were offering a lesser player (Tex) more money and years two seasons ago?

  61. I know you’re just saying he doesn’t suck, but 20.9 WAR over 5.5 years (3.8/year) isn’t elite. It’s in the good-to-very-good range.

    I don’t want that player on my team when he’s getting paid like he’s elite.

  62. Bonesaw McGraw 4 years ago

    I hate the new metrics.

    WAR Huh good god

    What is it good for?

  63. I believe the only SS options worth signing on the FA market when Jeter’s contract is up is Rollins and Reyes ,and they both have options, and they would be 10+ mil a year so there wouldn’t be a huge savings there. Cirvelli(sp?) and Montero have the catcher problem solved. I forgot about Gardner so that takes one OF spot so there is still another OF spot they have to fill. For the SP’s they need one more big ticket guy so that takes up a lot of salary and thats not mentioning if CC opts out and if he does he gets a raise from the Yanks or they have to sign someone else. I also want to point out that I don’t think that either The Yankees of the Red Sox sign Pujols I am just saying that the Red Sox have the Salary room to sign both Gonzalez and Pujols if they wanted to.

  64. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Yank’s have 3/48M worth of thinking about finding a replacement SS for jeter and hoping he can perform for those 3 years, not to mention finding 3 starters at the moment and hoping Sabathia does not out after this season and cost them upwards of another 200M just to have an Ace.

  65. nhlegend 4 years ago

    If the Yankees listen to Cashman, they will lower their payroll for sure, but they seem to not be letting him restock their farm system. Plus keep in mind some of those current prospects will be traded away for starting pitching.

  66. ellisburks 4 years ago

    Well he is an elite hitter. The thing that brings his WAR down is his poor defending. But if he were a DH in Boston(my team) I would like him there. (at a bit of a discount :))

  67. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    Well he is elite and no sabermetrics can take that away from Howard

  68. woadude 4 years ago

    good to very good range is the complete opposite of suck.

  69. If I remember right I think Gonzalez’s asking price was 8 years 161 million back when he was first acquired. That would put him at a lower per year then Howard but I believe they will negotiate something shorter but at more money per year so 25 mil/yr certainly isn’t out of the question.

  70. Chuck345 4 years ago

    John, before freaking out any further into an anti-Yankee tirade…I think JSJS’s point was simply that Howard is getting paid more than deserved and should never expect Pujols type of money.

    Have a cold one…relax…it’s nice out.

  71. MB923 4 years ago

    I wouldn’t use a World Series and Home Run Derby winning as an example of why he doesn’t suck. I agree he doesn’t suck but at least you used the MVP/All stars to prove why.

  72. blh2010 4 years ago

    Albert did all that too, Howard doesn’t suck but Albert is clearly better he has put up the numbers for 10 straight years, Howard hasn’t come close.

  73. Chuck345 4 years ago

    Did he really say he was going to retire? 35 is obviously past prime but it’s not THAT old. Let’s just hope he doesn’t injure himself on his way to retiring.

  74. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    Uh…I feel like you may be getting argumentative about something we agree about. I totally agree that Drew is not coming back. I said (hopefully) Kalish not because I thought Drew might return, but simply acknowledging the fact that Kalish is not a proven starter yet.

  75. He’s really not even really an elite hitter, he’s just a very good one. He has elite power, but strikes out way too much. Look at 2007-2009 when he posted UZRs of -1.8, -0.8 and 0.2 (I know I’ve switched over to fangraphs measurements, but I prefer UZR for measuring defense if I have to and the WARs are very similar).

    He wasn’t good defensively during those years, but those numbers had only a very small negative effect on his WAR and he still only averaged 4 WAR over those years. Offensively he’s basically Adam Dunn with a smidgen more power and a worse ability to draw walks.

    I’m a Boston fan too, and sure I’d take Howard as my DH, but not for $25M/year. He’s still a very good hitter, obviously. But for an elite hitter, look at Miguel Cabrera who posts regular 5.5+ WAR seasons despite worse negative defensive ratings than Howard.

  76. MB923 4 years ago

    B-R updated it, although I don’t know if that’s 100%, it’s at $199.8 million. Estimated is $202.3. Which is both still below last year although not by much of course.

    Red Sox is $155.9, estimated is $161.5

    Yes Posada’s comes off the books, but so does Swisher’s although he has a club option. A-Rod makes less in his remaning years (Thank God).

    I’ll have to look at the list again.

  77. nhlegend 4 years ago

    $4MM for Kei Igawa will be coming off their books also.

  78. MB923 4 years ago

    You already have been for the past few years. Evil Empire Jr. (Or as others have said Evil Empire 2.0), don’t worry, we know who the 3.0 is.

  79. A couple of reasons; 1) presuming Pujols hit the market A-Gon isn’t the premier player out there, 2) Even though CC isn’t in direct competition with him he is still going to take money away from teams that want to sign him, 3)He doesn’t want to play anywhere else. He waived his no trade clause to go to Boston where he clearly wants to be. He wanted an 8/161 so 6/135 is out of the question, I think. I would guess around 140-145 over 6 years is what they will sign.

  80. Jeter’s situation was extremely unique given his status with the Yankees.

    Agreed that Howard was overpaid, but you can look at other comparables like Teixeria for $180M/8 years or Cabrera for $152M/8 years.

  81. alxn 4 years ago

    I read it, and the article is terrible. His entire idea is contingent on Pujols accepting an offer that is $65MM and 2 years less than what he is demanding, which in itself is ridiculous. On top of that he doesn’t account for arbitration raises or filling the holes that are left from the other expiring contracts (he does account for 2 of them, but not the rest). So yes, the Red Sox do have the cash to sign Pujols if he inexplicably decides to lower his demands greatly and the Red Sox fill their other holes with players making the minimum.

  82. ellisburks 4 years ago

    Absolutely nothing!

  83. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    I said “idiotic” fans for a reason….there are plenty of Boston fans who will read “Pujols” and “Boston” and then refuse to talk about anything else until Pujols has officially signed elsewhere. And yes, I did read the article.

  84. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago


  85. MB923 4 years ago

    No I meant the other Pennsylvania team. Of course the Phillies.

  86. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    Say it again.

  87. LifeLongYankeeFan 4 years ago

    Exactly the Yankees just need to worry about starting pitching right now. Hopefully Liriano may become a hot trade target come the deadline. Since the Twins already said they may or were can’t remember which one open to trades for Liriano I have a feeling it will heat up this July if not sooner or if not him other good pitchers will be available for trade. Have to see how what they got plays out first though.

  88. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    That’s Mr. Hankie to you.

  89. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    By that logic (and numbers) ANYONE can sign him!

  90. RahZid 4 years ago

    275M – 220M = 55M, not 65M. So he only knocked off 2 years at 27.5M per, thus keeping the same AAV. Length of the deal would have no impact on the team in the near term, although it could certainly be more noticeable in the final few years of the deal. I’m not saying it will/should happen. Just that the number still work if it’s 10 years $275M

  91. nhlegend 4 years ago

    I’m glad you read it. Mazel tov!

    “In calling it terrible, do you mean that you chose the “No, it doesn’t make sense” option that Peter provides at the end of the blog post (it’s not an article)?

    “Pujols is said to want $275 million over 10 years, the same deal that crackpot Hank Steinbrenner gave Alex Rodriguez. At 31, that seems a little extreme. But this is Albert Pujols, after all. The man has a career OPS of 1.050.

    Let’s say he dialed it back to eight years and $220 million. Interested in Albert being the DH?

    The Sox could pay Pujols his $27 million and still have enough money remaining to fill out the roster and not expand the payroll.” ~ Peter does account for the holes left by expiring contracts, a closer, a right fielder and a DH in Bard/Jenks, Kalish and Pujols respectively. He also accounts for arbitrations raises, they will have $6MM to spend and not exceed the current payroll.

  92. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    It wasn’t definite, but he is considering it. In any event, he won’t be back in Boston.

  93. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    And therein lies the #1 reason this won’t happen.

  94. MB923 4 years ago

    Yes I figured that was the plan but we shall see what happens. If they feel he doesn’t have a good year this year in his part time playing or if they feel he does poorly next spring training, perhaps they don’t even start him. I expect him to start, but don’t leave out an option of the Red Sox getting another RFer.

  95. RahZid 4 years ago

    when you lose 2/5 of your rotation, you can no longer say everyone is coming back. (Although it’s likely a case of addition by subtraction in the case of Vazquez)

  96. OH MY GOD!!!

  97. How can a player “suck” if he has won a world series, is an All-Star, won an MVP, and won a Home Run Derby. Say he’s overrated, fine. But, to chastise my comment to the guy who said he “sucked” is just plain ignorant.

    No one should say he “sucks.” Because that’s just stupid. He obviously doesn’t “suck.” Is he overpaid? Maybe. Is he overrated? Maybe. But, he doesn’t “suck.” Those adjectives should be saved for the likes of Casey Kotchman and Travis Lee. Ryan Howard is a great player. Even if he slept with your girlfriend and spanked your mom you still couldn’t say he is anything worse than a “good” player.

    To say he “sucks” is just proving that you’re an ignorant fan.

  98. MB923 4 years ago

    Joey Styles impersonation?

  99. Obviously.

  100. vonhayesdays 4 years ago


  101. MB923 4 years ago

    JSJS said he sucks, not I. I said it’s stupid for you to use the World Series win and Home Run Derby win as a reason why he DOESN’T suck. The All star, MVP’s and great hitting power numbers prove that he doesn’t. A HR Derby win and a World Series win are bad examples.

  102. GoAwayNow 4 years ago

    Edgar Rentaria won the world series, was the MVP and an All-Star and that guy sucks.

  103. Deadguy265 4 years ago

    Most important is that all your old players from last year are a year older. The yanks will win 90 games.

  104. MB923 4 years ago

    Losing Vazquez is a plus, and Pettitte missed over 2 months. Burnett was horrible Hughes struggled in the 2nd half. So why did they win 95 games? Great offense and a very good bullpen. They still have a great offense and a much better bullpen. I think they can probably put another 90+ win season, BUT I do not think it will win the division. Wild card yes, but division no. Bearing a miracle.

    Of course no one thought the Giants and Padres would be atop the West (esepcailly the Padres for the majority of the season)

  105. Pawsdeep 4 years ago

    He didn’t hit his wife–his wife beat up him. She tore him apart when he came home wasted and woke up their kids. The cops tried getting her for domestic violence, not him.

    He isn’t garbage by any means. No one in baseball dislikes him, he gives and gives to kids and other groups but he obviously has some serious issues with alcohol and some inner demons. I only hope he helps himself as much as he helps others.

  106. Motor_City_Bombshell 4 years ago

    Why don’t you get your facts straight before you call someone garbage. His wife hit him, not the other way around, and you don’t know his off the field life, so let’s not be judgmental of others when we have no idea. That’s just plain wrong, man.

  107. jmcbosox 4 years ago

    to be perfectly honest mvp and all star nominations are poor examples too, they are voted on, its a matter of voters opinion rather than cold hart stats. i lol’d at the world series which obviously a product of the culmination of the 24 other players on the team as well as coaches and health. ted williams was a total bum for never getting a ring, tho, lol

  108. RahZid 4 years ago

    How are they my players exactly? Also, all of the players from last year in MLB are a year older, although many of the Yankees older players are in decline (ARod, Posada, Jeter and to lesser extents Burnett, Tex)

  109. RahZid 4 years ago

    I agree, they should win about 90 games as currently constructed. Unfortunately, 90 wins may not even be enough for the wild card. That being said, they should make some moves to get into the playoffs.

  110. woadude 4 years ago

    What makes only the AL east teams able to win 90 wins and get the wild card? there is a west and a central with teams capable of winning 90 games, winning 90 games as the Yankees doesn’t mean The Tigers, Twins, or White Sox can’t win 90 either.

  111. jmcbosox 4 years ago

    plus scutaro and tek, lesser contracts, but its all $ being freed up

  112. alxn 4 years ago

    My argument is that Pujols won’t be willing to take that much of a cut from his demands.

  113. alxn 4 years ago

    “In calling it terrible, do you mean that you chose the “No, it doesn’t make sense” option that Peter provides at the end of the blog post (it’s not an article)?

    Yes. I also wish I could select that option regarding your post. Buchholz alone will account for most of the $6MM. Considering that, please re-read the last sentence of my previous post.

  114. RahZid 4 years ago

    How does 2 years less at the same money affect the 2012 budget? All the article says is that he would fit into the 2012 budget.

  115. alxn 4 years ago

    When did I ever say that it would affect the 2012 budget?

  116. Motor_City_Bombshell 4 years ago

    Which was the point I’m trying to make…

  117. RahZid 4 years ago

    “So yes, the Red Sox do have the cash to sign Pujols if he inexplicably decides to lower his demands greatly”

    It doesn’t matter if he lowers his demands or not for the budget. also, there would stilL be ~$6M to address RF (Kalish) and 1 bullpen arm (Bowden, Doubront, et al).

  118. He’s not going to go to Boston to be a DH and that’s the end of it. Plus, Boston isn’t going to pay a guy that much to play part time. Even they have limits. Its one or the other for the Red Sox.

    He’s got just as much chance to win a Championship in St. Louis as he does in Boston, and he’s just as likely to win a championship in New York, or Anahiem. But he’s not going to lay down the glove and simply be a hitter for the rest of his career. Because at that rate, his career wouldn’t last that long.

  119. jmcbosox 4 years ago

    interleague play would really suck for the sawx

  120. jmcbosox 4 years ago

    each may accept a dh/1b platoon because it may provide some career longevity by being in the field much less. just a thought, i dont think the sox will even make an offer unless the yanks get seriously involved.

  121. nhlegend 4 years ago

    Refer to RahZid’s comment above.

  122. BoSoXaddict 4 years ago

    Most expect a Gonzo extension to be announced sometime early this season and the Sox can’t go after Pujols until after the season ends. I can’t see the Sox insulting Gonzo (or risk trading 3 top propsects for a 1 year rental) by saying they won’t extend him until they figure out what’s going on with Pujols. Unless, say..they make a gentleman’s agreement with him to do just that since it would equal years of championships and A.Gonz wants to win..

  123. MB923 4 years ago


  124. Um, except Edgar Renteria has never won a league MVP award like Howard…and during his prime, Edgar Renteria was the opposite of “suck.”

  125. MSUcorner 4 years ago

    You’re right I was too harsh. I assumed that the report that his wife had an “injury to her lower lip” was inferring that he had caused the injury. But clearly that wasn’t the case, she probably bumped it on a door. All the work he does with kids is set up by his publicist and/or the team, that’s how it is most of the time anyways. But let’s be serious, this is the third incident that I have heard of. And yet he hasn’t received a single consequence … that is not right.And look at him smiling in that photo, wow. What a class act, he’s smiling because he knows he will get away with it. Have we already forgotten about Adenhart? Drinking and driving kills, and Cabrera should not be coddled and and looked at as a victim of the evil booze. He is a bad person. I stand by that.

  126. MB923 4 years ago

    I was saying 90+ games would probably be good enough to win the Wild Card. I never said the AL Central and AL West teams can’t win 90 games. Although it’s not common for multiple AL Central and AL West teams to win 90 games. The last time 2 teams in the Central won 90 games in the same season was 2006. For the AL West, 2004. Not once did I say they will win the wild card. I said 90+ games is probably good enough TO win it.

  127. GoAwayNow 4 years ago

    Um, you only said MVP before, so like um whatever. And as a Red Sox fan, i’ll admit you’re right. During his prime Edgar was the opposite of suck, he blew.

  128. verlander 4 years ago

    IIRC, his wife hit him in the head with a cell phone.

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