AL West Notes: Tomko, Felix, Robertson

The Rangers are asking for top prospects in exchange for Michael Young and there's lots more going on in Texas and around the AL West. Here's the latest…

  • Brett Tomko can opt out of his contract with the Rangers on June 1st, according to Anthony Andro of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram (on Twitter). The clause presumably exists in case Tomko is still in the minors at that point.
  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports argues that the Mariners should call the Yankees and see exactly how much they'd give up for Felix Hernandez. The reigning AL Cy Young Award winner is under contract through 2014 for a total of $68MM.
  • Nate Robertson will undergo arthroscopic surgery on his left elbow and miss at least four weeks. As MLB.com's Greg Johns points out, that leaves Michael Pineda, Luke French and David Pauley as the primary candidates for the Mariners' fifth rotation spot.
  • Johns reports that the Mariners turned a $1.7MM  profit in the fiscal year ending on October 31st, 2010.


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66 Comments on "AL West Notes: Tomko, Felix, Robertson"


stl_cards16
4 years 5 months ago

Yes! Our weekly Felix Hernandez trade update.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

I can’t wait for next week when we find out he’s STILL untouchable. So exciting!!!

coolstorybro222
4 years 5 months ago

I was having spaztic fits because I thought I wouldn’t be updated yet again on the yankees wanting felix. /sarcasm

4 years 5 months ago

Ken Rosenthal is also an idiot.

monroe_says
monroe_says
4 years 5 months ago

Felix to the Yankees is an unsolvable catch-22. New York would have to give up the Empire State Building, but then where would King Felix live?

4 years 5 months ago

After watching Tomko pitch yesterday, um, you might want to opt out now…

4 years 5 months ago

Ken Rosenthal article got a lot of nice comments.

TheHotCorner
4 years 5 months ago

It would be interesting to dangle King Felix to the Yankees just to see what the offer would be. One would have to imagine he would bring back quite a haul. With that being said, I hope King Felix stays where he is.

$7562574
4 years 5 months ago

ask your braves to dangle jayson hayward just to see how much they get in return.

coolstorybro222
4 years 5 months ago

nope the yankees wanted Nick Swisher and they got him.

El_Bobo
4 years 5 months ago

Cause Nick Swisher really compares to Jason Heyward and/or Felix. Cool story bro

TheHotCorner
4 years 5 months ago

And Heywards name was in the original story where? Trying to hijack Ben’s story?

ClimaClub
4 years 5 months ago

1/2 season of lee was worth montero plus 2 so so prospects, but 4 seasons of felix is worth montero + top prospect + so so prospects??
i cant fault the argument that trading felix might be in the best interests, but i cant see anyteam putting together a package worth felix

JB3
4 years 5 months ago

You could easily demand the Yankees top 5 prospects, which would be 5 of BA’s top 80 prospects for MLB. Seems like a half decent starting point (Montero, the 3 B’s, Gary Sanchez).

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

No way. I get it, we’re desperate because of the 4/5 situation this year, but you don’t sacrifice the next 5 years for 2011. There will always be teams that want to dump guys due to salary, and there will always be pitchers wanting the most money in free agency. Just hang tight until the kids start putting it together, and in the meantime, pick up a few pieces here and there to survive. I’m willing to live with one down year.

I know Felix is a beast, a top 5, or even top 3 pitcher in the league, but I can’t justify making that trade. You’re mistaking Cashman with Minaya.

JB3
4 years 5 months ago

I agree that they shouldn’t do it (although as a Sox fan I wish they would), but that would be the starting point for trade negotiations. Also I believe an extension would be part of any deal despite him being under contract for 4 seasons, as he would likely leverage his no-trade as well.

Again, the Yankees shouldn’t do it, but the M’s shouldn’t ask for anything less.

roomwithamoose
4 years 5 months ago

considering the other prospects you dub as “so-so” prospects were rated top 100 by BA then yeah it’s worth it, or at least more approaching worth it than you care to admit

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

I agree. He’s played himself into an untouchable, or untradable rather, player. He’s worth a price no team would realistically give up.

optimusdude
4 years 5 months ago

If I were the mariners… I wouldn’t do it. Players like Felix don’t come around often and I think they can get more than Montero + others.

$7562574
4 years 5 months ago

mike rosenthal is the worst reporter in the world. he has an urge to butt-kiss the junkees every single moment of his life.

ultimate913
4 years 5 months ago

It’s a good thing we’re talking about Ken Rosenthal here then, not Mike.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

sorry man, I just don’t think that “junkees” thing will ever catch on. Try something a little more witty, next time.

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

I usually never agree with you, but with this one i do, of all the things to call them, Junkies makes no sense, because they aren’t junk, over paid yes but junk? I think not, maybe Burnett, I always tell people Yank These as i grab my self when talking about that NY team, anyways that is all.

ultimate913
4 years 5 months ago

Stop it, Ken. Stop. Now.

4 years 5 months ago

Desperation is a stinky cologne.

On another note.. So the M’s made roughly 2 million? They’ll make 47 dollars this season if they traded King Felix. As long as Ichiro is still there, I assume they try to contend next season.

JB3
4 years 5 months ago

Yep, but 2012 is where the money will get really tight if they keep him. Look at it this way, keeping the same quality product on the field, payroll would go up by ~$8M (Felix’s contract), and would likely draw similar revenue since the product would be the same. either you cut salary elsewhere, making the product worse, bringing in less revenue, or you cut costs elsewhere (FO, scouting, draft signings, etc.). I’m not saying that the M’s aren’t a mid market, but they need to do something drastic to afford Felix starting 2012 while still being profitable.

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

They are owned by NINTENDO, they arent a penny pinching Florida team, they made the deal and they are going to stick with it, they arent going to be paying good ol Milton Bradley after this season and that alone is Felix’s contract, get it? they get rid of Milton and the money goes to Felix, and kids buy more and more video games, they are not the Mets and in Bankruptcy, so they are not in a board room going oh jeez, this sky appears to be falling, lets deal these high priced guy, hmmm first up, Hernandez, Felix lets see if we can get some takers for this guy, Yeah that will save us from collapse….THINK buddy, use that thing called LOGIC, the M’s aren’t trading Felix Hernandez end of story.

JB3
4 years 5 months ago

Why don’t you use that thing called LOGIC? I don’t care who owns the business, I’ll use GE as an example. GE, huge corporation, has tons of companies and businesses within those companies. Just because GE is huge, doesn’t mean that it keeps around businesses that aren’t being profitable enough. I’m not saying the M’s are penny pinching like the Marlins (if you actually took the time to read my post you would see that I went out of my way to say that they aren’t).

If you read my follow up statement (about a minute after my original) I say that the kids are 1 possible answer, but you apparently can’t be bother to read AND comprehend.

Yes, shedding Bradley’s contract also helps the situation. Congrats on your 1 valid, original thought.

JB3
4 years 5 months ago

In fairness, I should say that one possible solution is utilizing the young talent coming down the pipeline. It isn’t all doom and gloom like my post made it seem.

MadmanTX
4 years 5 months ago

Why call the Yankees? It isn’t like they have more talent to give the Mariners than other contending teams.

JB3
4 years 5 months ago

It was based on the Yankees having both the farm system and a huge need. That being said, I don’t think any teams (other than maybe tiny markets [read Marlins, Rays, Padres, Pirates] and financially unstable teams [Mets]) wouldn’t bid for the King’s services.

j6takish
4 years 5 months ago

I don’t understand why we are hearing just as many “Yankees should inquire on Justin Verlander” rumors, I mean he is just as unlikely to be traded. If you’re going to start stupid rumors, you might as well start rumors about every young ace pitcher

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

I always enjoy trying to stir the Josh Johnson to the Yankees rumor, I still laugh when the Homer broadcaster stated to all Yankee fans get a good look at your next Pitcher when talking about Josh Johnson, so as a momento, I always say Josh Johnson to the Yankees for (insert crap here)

TheHitman23
4 years 5 months ago

You just wait…they’ll get him in the free agent market in 4 years….He’ll definitely come over to NY. I mean who doesn’t want to be in pinstripes? *sobs over Cliff Lee*

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

Don’t sob over Cliff Lee, look up how old he will be when his deal with the Phillies end and ask yourself, wouldn’t you rather the Yankees have a younger pitcher like maybe Josh Johnson?

TheHitman23
4 years 5 months ago

I’m not, just kidding around. I was just trying to make the point that not everyone wants to play for the Yankees. As far as Josh Johnson goes, I don’t think the Marlins want to get rid of him just yet. Personally, of the two I’d rather Hernandez, like everyone else. I’ll be surprised and happy if the Yankees pull of a trade for Johnson without giving up Montero. But I don’t know what it will take. I say keep what we have and develop the Killer Bee’s.

MSUcorner
4 years 5 months ago

If Montero is the centerpiece of the trade, then Rosenthal is so insulting it is beyond words. Montero will be a bust. And put him in SafeCo, where righty power hitters die?! He would be worthless to the M’s. There is a reason Jack Z was never even interested in Montero, he only used that as a ploy to drive up Lee’s price. A 21 year-old right handed DH has no value for the M’s, much less equivalent value to their franchise player.

$7562574
4 years 5 months ago

i’d demand at least half the control of junkees’ empire

4 years 5 months ago

That doesn’t really make sense at thats because It’s obvious that you are a true Yankees hater. Are You Kidding me Man? Thats 5 guys in the Top Prospects including one of which ranked 3rd overall by Baseball America and you compare that to Clay Bucholz? Come on man theres no way the Yankees or any other team would even think about giving that much up.

4 years 5 months ago

Maybe they should get Cano, Warren and Noesi too while there at it. Yeah, they’re really going to give up basically 7 guys and ravage their fram system for one trade.

ultimate913
4 years 5 months ago

and you know what? As a Yankee fan, I’d do it. What is that? Montero, Brackman, Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, Laird and Nova for Felix? I’d do it. I really would. But ANY signs of them trying to play us again like the Lee deal, and I completely walk away.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

Listen to yourself. Are you, at all, thinking about this from the Yankees’ perspective, or Mariners only? Because a trade should work out for both sides, ya? If Yankees get Felix and give up 3 Bs, Montero, Nova, et al… they’re in the same problem again, if not worse. Great 1/2 punch with CC and Felix, good number 3 guy in Hughes, and question marks in the 4/5 spot. Furthermore, now, there are no options in the farm you can turn to for either trade candidates or to call up prematurely in dire need. Back to square one.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

It’s what pays the bills. How many people do you really think want to know what’s happening in the Pittsburgh farm?

$3513744
4 years 5 months ago

They must have this story on auto-post despite the fact that it’s a deal that doesn’t work for either team.

MaineSox
4 years 5 months ago

But read your own comment just below here: “He’s worth a price no team would realistically give up.” Obviously the Yankees shouldn’t give up that many good pieces, but that’s pretty close to what I would be looking for if I were the Mariners GM. He’s really young, he’s really really good, and he’s still got 4 years of team control at a reasonable price. He’s worth that much IMO, it’s just not worth it to give up that much if that makes any sense.

stl_cards16
4 years 5 months ago

Exactly, and that’s why everyone thinks it is stupid we have to keep speculating on this. No team is going to give up what it would take to make the Mariners even consider giving up the best pitcher in baseball who they have under contract for 4 years. But I assure you, there will be more to come.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

I feel like we’re both saying the same thing…

MaineSox
4 years 5 months ago

Okay, but blackcourt never suggested that the Yankees would, or should, give up those pieces, only that the Mariners should ask for them. So you were saying essentially the same thing as him too.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

Negative.

Two different conversations. You and I agree that Felix has played himself into a category that makes him impossible to trade because the asking price would be too high and unrealistic.

However, if the Ms would want to try anyway, here is what they would ask for: [insert Blackcourt’s post here]. I’m saying that makes no sense from the Yankees perspective because they’ll be the same or worse in pitching depth as they are now.

One convo is arbitrary [or whatever the opposite of practical is], while the other is practical.

4 years 5 months ago

Ummmm. Impractical?

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

Or, you know, poor phrasing on your part. But yeah sure, throw the blame this way, it’s all good.

But why even post that if you’re just throwing out everyone you know in the Yankees farm? I just don’t get your point. That the Ms should ask for everyone? Is that really your thought process? It’s a moot point if you KNOW the Yanks won’t make that deal. It’s like me saying since the Sox need a catcher, they should give up Gonzalez, Youk, that Bard kid, and Crawford to get Mauer. I don’t really mean the Sox should do it, but that’s what the Twins should ask for.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

Name one place where I said anything about the Yankees farm. People that make poor assumptions shouldn’t throw stones. What I merely meant is that a lot more people care about the yankees than about small market teams. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact. So, naturally, more people will read stories, even if they are non-stories, about the Yanks. You and I included.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

I think you’re taking this way to serious. If this were Gammons talking about how great the Sox are then there would be no complaints at all by you.

That being said, I honestly have no idea who Rosenthal roots for. If anything, I took as “Hey M’s if you were ever thinking of trading Felix then now is the time because the Yanks have tons of talent, can afford Felix, are extremely desperate and/or stupid and will give you whatever you wan’t”.

A true Yankee fan probably isn’t too happy to give up 5 top prospects as some have insisted the asking price will be.

All being said, I wish we could table any discussions about Felix, at least until the offseason, even though I don’t think the M’s would consider that until his last year under contract.

baseball33
4 years 5 months ago

What’s Pittsburgh

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

The Yankees to find out who doesn’t belong on such a no name team and should be fitted for pin stripes.

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

You didn’t get played, quit whining about Lee, you couldn’t match up trade wise, deal with it, all Yankee fans act like Jack Z said CYKE and hung up on them, the player was hurt, he asked for another one, and CASHMAN said no, how is that being played?

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

Gammons is a tool as well, and you know damn well who Rosenthal roots for, that being said, there should be no discussion about Felix, in fact i thought it was all agreed upon that there is no way the M’s would shop him for another 3 years and how long did Rosenthal last half a month? Unbelievable.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

You totally did not get my post. I’ll try again. There are more people, number wise, that follow the Yankees than the Pittsburgh Pirates, across the US, or even the world. Of course people in Pittsburgh follow the Pirates, but the fact is that there are A LOT more fans, again, sheer volume wise, of the Yankees than there are of the Pirates across the US/world.

Get it now?

PS: It means a lot to me when your team doesn’t win either… and I don’t even know what your team is!

YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

You can’t compare the players offered by Boston to those you mentioned. HOLD OFF ON WHAT THEY BECAME LATER AND FOCUS AND HOW HIGH THEY WERE REGARDED AT THE TIME BY THE LIKE OF BASEBALL AMERICA.

Any 5 of (8/09):

Clay Buchholz (#4 pre-2008)
Michael Bowden (#83 pre-2009)
Justin Masterson (#64 pre-2008)
Daniel Bard (#98 pre-2009)
Nick Hagadone (N/R at the time)
Felix Doubront (N/R at the time)
Josh Reddick (N/R at the time)
Yamaico Navarro (N/R at the time)

So that’s 1 top 50 and overall, 4 top 100. Plus 2 or 3 arb years left.

Then compare that to where the package you mentioned ranks now:

Jesus Montero @ #4
Manny Banuelos @ #41
Gary Sanchez @ #30
Dellen Betances @ #43
Andrew Brackman @ #78
And you think it might take a couple of more.

So that’s 4 top 50 guys and overall, 5 top 80 guys. Plus the $70 mil owed to him.

Felix IS that good to warrant more than any other pitcher before and the M’s are just in asking whatever they want to, but please don’t compare the pick of 5 of those 8 mentioned with the 5 plus others you suggested the Yanks offer. The value in prospects isn’t even close.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

Last time I checked Clay Buchholz was a Cy Young contender. Can you tell me what any of those players for the Yankees I listed have accomplished in the major leagues? Anything at all?
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You’re acting as if the Sox made that trade proposal in 2010 which was Clay’sCy Young contending year. It wasn’t he was 5 starts into his 2009 debut, so he was a prospect at that time, not a pitcher with a proven history. Yes, he already pitched a no-hitter but I think you get my point that he and Bard were still unproven. They had more exp than any of the Yanks prospects but they hadn’t proven to be mlb caliber studs yet.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

Unfortunately….

I think even Cashman understand that for long term success the Yanks need more than just CC, Felix and Hughes. The most economical way of doing it is to hope that at least 2 of the prospects turn into front of rotation guys and that Montero becomes and all-star caliber bat.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

Kid? Ha! I think there’s a rule against calling someone a kid and writing three exclamation marks after LMAO in the same paragraph.

The irony in this is that you actually did not understand my simple sentence about the pirates reference. My point, once again, is that a lot more people care about the Yanks, and thus, their stories get more coverage because writers want more people to read their articles. It’s simple logic, really.

woadude
4 years 5 months ago

I see Seattle as a great landing spot for Prince Fielder, Safeco will be his best friend.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

You have a very juvenile read on reality, baseball included. Talk to me when you can properly assemble thoughts, and sentences that relay those thoughts in an effective manner. Cheers.

East Coast Bias
4 years 5 months ago

Actually, you’re wrong, again. The article is about the Yankees, as much as you want to live in your fantasy world and make it a personal jihad against Rosenthal. Regardless of his journalistic standards, the man (and everyone in the world besides maybe you and a few others) knows that a story about the Yankees, even a non-story, will get 20857029857027095725 followers checking it out, including you and I, where a real story about a team like the pirates will only get a fraction of the following. It’s a numbers game, simple math, like x is greater than y. Ya dig?

YanksFanSince78
4 years 5 months ago

Are you ignorant? I never thought you were before. Why would I mention anything about Kelly, Rizzo, Anderson and Westmoreland WHEN THOSE PLAYERS WERE NOT ON THE LIST OF PLAYERS THE RED SOX OFFERED!!!!!!!!!!! Never did I say the Sox had better or worse prospects at that time. WHAT I SAID, AND SAID IT QUITE CLEARLY, was that you said the Sox were willing to give up “this group of prospects” so the Yanks should give up Montero, Bets, Bans, Sanchez, Brackman and others. Stop with your weak attempt to change the conversation and morph it into something else.

Below is a copy of the article and in every article it was 5 of 8 players.

“The Seattle Times reports that, according to sources, the Red Sox offered a list of eight players, from which the Mariners could choose any five in exchange for Felix Hernandez. The list reportedly included………”

Clay Buchholz
Daniel Bard
Michael Bowden
Justin Masterson
Nick Hagadone
Josh Reddick
Yamaico Navarro
Felix Doubront