Yankees Have Some Interest In Oliver Perez

Here's one for the back pages and talk show hosts. The Yankees have discussed Oliver Perez as a potential cheap addition, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). However, GM Brian Cashman doesn't seem enthused about the 29-year-old left-hander.

The Mets released Perez earlier today, eating his $12MM contract and ending his inconsistent five-year stint in New York. If the Yankees sign Perez, they would be responsible for paying him the MLB minimum salary and their crosstown rivals would be responsible for about $11.6MM.

Longtime Met Pedro Feliciano (upper arm) and Boone Logan (back) have dealt with soreness this spring, but both lefties made progress in recent days. It seems likely that Cashman was simply being diligent when he considered Perez.

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  1. Devern Hansack 4 years ago

    Brian Cashman: can he pitch?

    Doing it wrong.

  2. Please don’t

  3. YaGottaBelieve11 4 years ago

    Oh, this would just be precious.

  4. We like this here in Queens.

    • MB923 4 years ago

      And I’m sure Ollie likes the team in Queens is paying him $11.6 million wherever he goes

      • I’m sure he does also. Just like Bobby Bonilla likes that same team who’s paying him $1.2MM til 2035.

        • Mets owed Bonilla $6mil and instead put that money into Madoff’s fun and turned it into a whole lot more. So paying him $25 mil over 25 years, 15 years later, is probably a drop in the bucket of what they invested with Bonilla’s savings.

          Now, with Madoff gone, they can’t do those things anymore.

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            No… you had it right the first time, LOL

          • jwsox 4 years ago

            you have to wonder if he is even going to get that money though with all the law suits to the mets and to madoff.

          • andrewyf 4 years ago

            That’s exactly the kind of money the lawsuit is suing for, and will get.

            The Mets are screwed in so many ways it’s not even funny.

            I look forward to the day when crooks like the Wilpons are out of baseball and the Mets are in the hands of competent ownership. I would like to root for two NY teams instead of just one. I would also accept a new team based in Brooklyn.

          • jwsox 4 years ago

            i feel the same way of my chicago teams…im a sox fan first and now that the cubs have an owner who actually knows baseball and hopefully they get a GM who is not dumb as brick in there soon i can root for both and not feel bad about it..

            Whats funny is the wilpons are being sued for 1 bill and the MLB and selig bails them out a bit yet wont let the dodgers owners borrow money. And allows loria to do what he does in florida. The the wilpons who are smart business owners and had financial analysts telling them not to do business with madoff and selig didnt step in. So while the wilpons make money thousands of americans are in poor houses because of one of the biggest criminals in recent history in madoff and his family.

            So we have the wilpons (bad owners) The Mccourts(bad owers) Loria(bad owner) and yet selig wont let mark cuban own a team for some reason.

          • paul_oneills_lovechild 4 years ago

            Now that Selig has your approval to base a team in Brooklyn, now us New Yorkers can breath a sigh of relief…New York Times Headline: “Andrew Accepts MLB Team in Brooklyn: Now We Can Rejoice!” Wow, and I thought I was an arrogant Yankees fan…

          • andrewyf 4 years ago

            Wow, I never knew I had that kind of power.

            My next decree is to ban commenting on MLBTR, to prevent paul_oneills_lovechild from ever making a travesty of the medium ever again.

          • paul_oneills_lovechild 4 years ago

            Unfortunately, your power only resides in Kings County, remember?!?! I am omnipotent in the remaining universe. Say what you mean, write what you say…then, perhaps you won’t sound like a pompous windbag by utilizing the wrong diction. I did, however, like your usage of travesty. If I were still teaching, I would give you 2 gold stars for that, Andy Pants!!

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            I am a Mets fan and disagree with you… it is EXTREMELY funny.

  5. I can’t imagine a worse place for Ollie to rebuild his value.

  6. 3rdStrike 4 years ago


  7. SierraM363 4 years ago

    Maybe they should just bring Igawa up. Both are equally atrocious.

    • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

      No…. Ollie is the worst pitcher in the majors or minors right now. The Ducks would cut him after a month.

    • Igawa’s back in Japan attending to issues you may have heard about. No chance he goes anywhere but back to AAA once he comes back to the U.S. He isn’t even on the 40 man roster.

  8. Junior El Fuerte Salazar 4 years ago

    This gives me hope to sign a minor league contract

  9. andrewyf 4 years ago

    “GM Brian Cashman doesn’t seem enthused about the 29-year-old left-hander.”

    As always, Brian Cashman is the lone voice of reason in the Yankees front office.

    I have no idea how the Red Sox finished so far behind the Yankees the past two years. 95% of the Yankee front office is borderline-StevePhillips.

  10. Susana Crespo 4 years ago


  11. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    Now this would be fun to see!

    • MB923 4 years ago

      I think it would be more fun to see Perez succeed wherever he goes and that team is only paying him 3% of his salary. I don’t see him succeeding anywhere though.

  12. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A JOKE…the yankees are that concerned about their bullpen that they look at perez…if they were concerned they’d look at olli and just say what a joke and move to a new person to help them…if the mets payed him 12 million a year i can only imagine how much tthe yankees will pay him hahahaha cant wait to see what happens here

    PS i knew all of those years pitching all of those innings would catch up to pedro…good luck to you, yankees people

    • Dr. Frank N Furter 4 years ago

      pretty sure it’d be a minor deal, not that he’ll be put into bullpen immediately. Our bullpen looks good as is

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      Wow….Yanks signing a left-handed pitcher who normally throws in the low to mid 90’s to a minor lge contract for the minimum (less than $500k) while the Mets pay himthe remaining $11.5 mil? Gee what an awful idea.

      Can you imagine if Castillo makes the Phillies and isn’t awful, and actually becomes an assett off the bench for the Phillies when Utley returns? Can you imagine if Yanks sign Perez is sent to AAA and after a couple of months gets his velocity up to 93-93 mph and shows an ability to pitch at a 4.00 FIP in a limited loogy role at lge minimum.

      Gee, that would suck….for a Mets fan.

      • he throws no wheres near low to mid 90s get your facts straight…have you seen him lately its low to mid 80s, and i dont thing mr slappy will be an asset especially replacing some one as great as utley. utley is going to take a while to return, so he is basically replacing him. do you realize how long it has been since perez has been a decent pitcher…its been 4 years now…i doubt he will ever return to form…good luck if you honestly think he is worth even a minor league contract

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          My bad on the velocity. He hasn’t been there in a couple of years. Point still remains. It’s a minor lge deal. It’s for $400k. And he’s a lefty who can throw 88-90 mph which is still an assett.

          Here’s a news flash and it’s one that maybe you Mets fans can suck on. GOOD TEAMS are looking to sign your multi-million dollar mistakes to take on the responsibilties of role players and organization depth. One man’s disasterous signing can be another man’s Aaron Small or Aaron Boone.

          It made perfectly good sense for the Mets, who need to rebuild and remove as many distractions out of the club house, to release Castillo and Perez. It makes even more sense for GOOD TEAMS with possible injury concerns to sign either of those two for $400k to add depth to their teams. If they fail, so what? Big difference between failing while getting paid $5 mil to $12 mil vs getting paid $400k.

          • your right on every thing else now but he will never be an asset no matter his price…face it olli sucks

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Says you. Either way. It’s $400k for a “looksy” as opposed to $11.6 mil so relax. You’re done with him.

          • Nope. It’s $12mil. It’s only $11.6 if the Yankees pay the Mets $400K to “looksie” at how awful he is. He throws 86 and they are not strikes. Enjoy.

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            Must be nice to have a 200 million dollar payroll.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Considering the Yankees have won a championship in the past 10 years (actually I can say in the past 2 but whatever) which is 1 more than the Mets and have made the playoffs 9 times which is 8 more than the Mets, I don’t mind it too much.

            Must be nice to have the highest NL payroll in baseball the past 10 seasons and have a grand total of 1 playoff appearance. Please, is a Met fan really accusing how the Yankees do financially?

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            Try 85-87 mph and you’re in the ballpark. His pitches won’t be for long though in Yankee Stadium. This is the same guy who got shelled in the Mexican League all winter by the way. He’s not worth the league minimum, because he’s not worth a roster spot. Don’t try to rationalize it, just slowly tiptoe away.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Here’s some homework for you. Pull up how many lefties are pitching in the majors this year. Then check out how many of them can throw at or above 90 mph. Then, ask how many of them can be had for $400k. Ok?

            If Perez is signed for $400k and is sent to minors to work on his stuff AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO “WIN” GAMES VS MLB PLAYERS IN ST and if he can work out his kinks and get his velocity up to 90-91 mph and have some semblance of control of his FB then he will end up in someones bullpen by July.

            Considering that the Yanks’ two lefties, Feliciano and Logan have had nagging little injuries then it makes absolute sense to try and sign him for the minimum.

            Sorry to say, but anyone who can’t see this as a depth move/project is simply clueless. It costs nothing at all.

          • Dude, stop trying to justify stupidity. Just because you guys signed another one of our burned out lefties, doesn’t mean a second one will work.

            He will never have control. Just stop. I would recommend YOU do some homework.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            They didn’t sign him (yet)

          • I was talking about Feliciano.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Apparently you didn’t see Feliciano’s numbers against lefties since the Yankees are using him almost strictly as a lefty specialist


          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago


            Don’t try to reason with Joe D. The fact that the Yanks plan on use him almost exclusively vs lefties thus not needing to use him for 80-90 appearances is lost on dude. He seems unwilling to understand that different players can perform better under limited roles.

          • No, I agree his number are great against lefties. But the Mets used the heck out of him the last 4 years straight (he broke his own record for appearances every year for 3 years). He’s used up. I think he’s going to break down.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            That could happen. But Joe Girardi is a very good bullpen manager unlike Torre. And when I say that i”m referring to how many days rest a player needs, etc. Not what pitchers to bring in, in which he fails more often than succeeds. But I think knows when a guy needs rest and when a guy can pitch. He doesn’t overuse his pitchers.

          • We’ll see. I agree, Girardi is definitely better there. But, given that Feliciano is already having issues, I’d say the warning signs are appearing.

          • thevauntedchris 4 years ago

            Fails more than he succeeds? That’s ridiculous. Once in a while, when a pitcher is brought in and gives up a homerun, people will harp on the decision. It’s easy to forget the countless times a pitcher comes in and just does his job. Nothing sexy there and nothing to b*tch at. These guys are relief pitchers after all. They are going to give up some runs. Managing a bullpen is very easy. Go by the numbers. I believe he does this MOST of the time. But even going by the numbers will bite you once in a while, because those numbers aren’t 0.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Okay well maybe I went overboard on that. But he is NOT good whatsoever at doing it. I don’t think he’s a very good manager but I think he knows how to handle his players. When to start, when to rest, etc.

            And I have to completely disagree with you when you say managing is a bullpen is very easy. The only time it’s very easy is when you’re team is winning by 3 or less runs in the 9th innings because everyone knows what pitcher you go to.

          • thevauntedchris 4 years ago

            No. It’s very easy to select the best option for the situation if you understand the numbers. That doesn’t mean it will always work out, but you can always put yourself in the best position for it to work out. That’s why there are huge binders of numbers on the bench. There is no excuse to continue making bad bullpen decisions unless someone is injured. That is why people hated Joe Torre. I wanted Girardi to be the manager because I thought he was the more saber-metrically inclined of the choices. I got worried after the first year, but he’s gotten better.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            As I said, it’s not Always easy. It depends on several things. The score, the inning, the lineup and who’s due up, pinch hitters if available, what bullpen arms need work or need rest. It’s not always easy. I’m not saying it’s very difficult but it is far far from easy.

            Now if you’re winning a game 10-0 or so in the late innings, I would say it’s easy. But if it’s a tie or close ball game in say the 6th – 7th innings, I wouldn’t’ call it easy by any means.

          • thevauntedchris 4 years ago

            Alot of what you just said agrees with me without you even realizing it. All of those things play into the numbers I’m suggesting. The other things like inning, score, etc are the things that managers try to over think and be cute, usually getting them in trouble. If pitcher A has the best numbers against batter B, why does it matter if you use him in the 8th or the 5th, tie score or down by 2? It doesn’t. The stats suggest he is your best option to get that hitter out, no matter what the situation. I’m going to take a guess and say you are probably someone who thinks a “closer” should always be used in the 9th?

          • MB923 4 years ago

            “The other things like inning, score, etc are the things that managers try to over think and be cute, usually getting them in trouble” – This makes your entire point of it being “very easy” moot then. It wouldn’t require over thinking if it was very easy.

            “If pitcher A has the best numbers against batter B, why does it matter if you use him in the 8th or the 5th, tie score or down by 2? It doesn’t. ” – What the hell do you mean it doesn’t matter? Of course it matters what inning it is. Are you telling me blowing a lead in the 5th inning has an equal impact of blowing a lead in an 8th inning as the rest of the game goes?

            “I’m going to take a guess and say you are probably someone who thinks a “closer” should always be used in the 9th? ” – Is that what I said?

            Again, my point was, managing a bullpen is not easy.

          • thevauntedchris 4 years ago

            You said: “This makes your entire point of it being “very easy” moot then. It wouldn’t require over thinking if it was very easy.”

            That is just completely not true. Over-thinking something makes it neither hard nor easy. You are giving managers too much credit. Alot of them over manage bullpens.

            It’s obvious you aren’t understanding the point, therefore arguing things I’m not even saying. Blowing a lead in the 5th vs the 8th is completely irrelevant to any discussion we’ve had. Our discussions are based in choosing pitchers. I actually don’t even know what you are saying anymore, so I don’t know how to respond.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            “Blowing a lead in the 5th vs the 8th is completely irrelevant to any discussion we’ve had”

            Forgive me for adding blowing the lead, but this is what you asked before- “If pitcher A has the best numbers against batter B, why does it matter if you use him in the 8th or the 5th, tie score or down by 2? ” It shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to answer this or even respond to this.

            Again, read this ONE LAST TIME- Managing a bullpen is not easy.

            Your first reply to me featured this “Managing a bullpen is very easy”. Now I’ve already made arguments on why it’s not, and your responses just help me prove my point even more.

          • thevauntedchris 4 years ago

            Honestly man, not one thing I’ve said supports any point you’ve made. This has turned into a typical internet argument where no one wins. You are off completely on a separate tangent now. We’ll agree to disagree. Maybe you can reread everything later and see what I’m actually saying. My point is that a computer could basically manage a bullpen as effectively as a human manager, therefore making it not that difficult. I believe that, because a computer would choose the best pitcher for the situation based on statistics. You obviously don’t feel that way. That’s fine, but don’t say anything I’ve said supports your points, because then I’m going to have to question your reading comprehension skills.

          • and never will

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Cashman won’t. And i hope Hank for once does not disagree.

          • jwsox 4 years ago

            “Here’s some homework for you. Pull up how many lefties are pitching in the majors this year. Then check out how many of them can throw at or above 90 mph. Then, ask how many of them can be had for $400k. Ok?” those lefties that throw in the mid 80’s to low 90’s also have pin point control of their fast ball that is also not flat. Usually they have a wipe out change up and a ++ slider or curve. Ollie on the other hand throws a low 80’s flat fastball with no controll and has no secondary pitches to mention.

            And you mention getting his velocity up to the 90-91 MPH range. Coming from 85ish mph it take a long time to move up 5-6+ MPH on a pitch. not just a few starts or weeks in the minors.

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            What has Freddy Garcia done to you my friend? Look, I realize that as a Yankee fan, you feel you know everything in the world, and so I wouldn’t expect anything less. But I’m not trying to one-up you. This is a warning. His days of throwing 95 ended in Pittsburgh. His days of throwing 90+ ended soon after he signed that contract. That’s where homework really helps. Contrary to the misconception that the Mets released Ollie mainly because the fans wanted it, the truth is, management really treated him well this spring. He said he wanted to start, they said sure, prove you can. He couldn’t. Then they said, okay, try working out of the bullpen. He couldn’t do that either. He refused to go to the minors to work on his stuff last year, and to be honest, now it would probably be stealing a spot from a more deserving candidate. Even at his best, he was always volatile on the mound, and now that he’s older and wiser, he’s coupled that volatility with a mid-80’s fastball. His true versatility lies in his ability to either walk the bases loaded or give up back to back homers. He’s never had good command (save for maybe 2004, and even then he wasn’t a control freak), and now he doesn’t even have a good fastball to go with it. It takes a special kind of player to put up seasons as statistically mind-numbing as his, and if Mr. Fly-Ball-Walks-a-Lot couldn’t sneak by in big empty Citi Field, in the land of no DH, thinking he could serve as any legitimate depth in the most pressured packed environment in baseball is foolish, because just about any schmo you decide to trot out there is bound to be better. You can probably find better depth in the broadcast booth. Some players, you take fliers on. Others, you just don’t waste your time.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            After saying all that maybe you don’t understand that I never argued against the reasons the Mets released. My eyes are wide open in that he is a longshot. Makes perfect sense for the Mets to release him. No arguement there. For the Yanks, it’s depth move and no more. He earns his keep. Great. He struggles then he gets released from the AAA team. SO what?

          • alphakira 4 years ago

            Following your posts constantly is like a guidebook as to why Yankee fans are looked at as the most ignorant and obnoxious in the sport.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Weren’t you the Met fan that said Castillo doesn’t suck?

          • alphakira 4 years ago

            Not at all…Weren’t you the guy that said Angel Pagan was the next Willie Mays?

          • MB923 4 years ago

            I’m not a Met fan. Nice try.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            You’re full of it, I’m a Sox fan and YFS78 is one of the Yanks fans on here that I can usually agree with and even when I don’t agree he still makes a reasonable argument. Just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t mean that they are ignorant or obnoxious.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Owned lol. I agree with him a lot too. And even you from time to time. We may have disagreements but at least we can provide valid points. You hear me?

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Definitely, nothing wrong with a healthy debate.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Yeah and at least you listen to what I say unlike the other guy (hope he reads this, and he knows who he is)

          • Why would a true Mets fan discourage the skankees from signing this true hidden gem. Ollie is a steal cashman. SIGN OLLIE NOWWWWWW. LOLOLOL

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Just remember….it’s your Mets who are paying him. I’d LOLOLOL if he succeeded wherever he went. I hope he doesn’t go to the Yankees, but wherever if he goes, I’d LOLOLOL at the Mets for paying him that much.

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            Minaya was fired… Ollie was the reason. What doesn’t add up for you? Ollie has an awful work ethic, lost his stuff and probably has a shot arm. No chance at success, better to give the minor league innings to a prospect.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            That’s why I said I hope he doesn’t go to the Yankees. I suggest they stay away from him as far as possible lol. It was YFS78 saying it’s a good move, not me.

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            Good point… either way, Minaya gave you guys plenty of reasons to laugh at us over the years. Ollie succeeding would be like Pavano to the Kenny Rogers power….

          • jwsox 4 years ago

            if he refused to go to the minors last year with the mets what makes you think he would take a minor league deal? and the most recent thought is that castillo is not a lock to make the roster and he would opt for free agency and not go to the minors

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            There is no guarantee. What IS a guarantee is that Cashman isn’t going to sign him to a mlb deal and place him on the 25 man. So either he takes it or he doesn’t. Either way, it wouldn’t hurt the Yanks one bit.

            I would be shocked, if at this point, Perez is still unwilling to take a minor league deal. I’m sure he might ask for some sort of opt out clause if he isn’t called up by July or something but who cares? If a team doesn’t call him up by July then chances are it’s because he wasn’t progressing enough in the minors.

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            Because Ollie is a head case, a clubhouse cancer and has a horrible attitude. Why waste the time and effort that can be better spent grooming actual talent?

      • greggofboken 4 years ago

        If you are able to imagine these things easily, Ken Kesey would have enjoyed your presence on some bus trips.

      • Only a clueless Yankee fan would think he throws low to mid-90s at this point. He touched 85 this Spring – and that pitch ended up 6 feet outside the zone. Dude, you should try watching the sport and/or doing some research. You might sound less dumb.

        The only way Castillo is an asset is if they need someone to hold the bat on his shoulder in the box during warm ups – he’s excellent at that.

        • thak youu…yankees fans get so technical they sit there and only think of the price of things watch the friggen game for the fun

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I did. It was fun winning 95 games and fun watching the Mets do their best impersonation of M.A.S.H meets Days of Our Lives. Now that’s entertainment!

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Ok. I will admit I was wrong with the velocity. He threwabout 88 to 90 mph on average last year.

          However, I’m far from dumb and my comments make sense, regardless of how you feel.

          Answer me this question. What harm does it cause for ANY team to sign a lefty w/ mlb experience that can throw at or near 90 mph to a $400k minor lge deal? I’ll wait…

          • Answer: Does no harm.

            However, Oliver Perez will not throw at or near 90. What’s your retort, oh wise YankeesFan.

            I’ll wait.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            If he was averaging 88 mp last year. Was throwing 86 mph duing spring training then why is it impossible to think he can get it up to 90 mph with some work in the minors? And if not, so what, it’s $400k spent and a AAA roster spot.

          • Because I’ve been watching him for the last two years… the man is not sharp enough to understand his own problems.

            I sat at a game that he pitched (hah – that’s an insult to every pitcher), where he didn’t get ONE out. He threw 51 pitches in the first inning. None faster than 88 MPH, in the heat, in the middle of the summer. He’s not gonna touch 90. He will have no idea where his pitches are going. He is not worth the Yankees time. He is not worth Los Tomatillos of the Mexican League’s time.

            He is a lost cause.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Ok so what? Someone will pay him $400k to see if their minor lge pitching coaches and fix whatever is wrong. If he is interested in another mlb contract in 2012 then he will either listen or be out of baseball.

            I’ll restate this. The Mets were 100% right in their decision to cut ties with him. But as hard as it is to find decent lefties, all 29 teams should at least kick the tires and take a chance for $400k and stick him in the minors.

          • You know, I hope they sign him. I hope he makes your team. That’s all I have to say.

          • Foo Philly 4 years ago

            No pitching coach is going to fix his velocity that’s suddenly disappeared. If he does end up in the Bronx, have fun cursing him out whe he walks the bases loaded.

          • jwsox 4 years ago

            aga he does not throw anywhere close to 90 mph…he throws in the mid to low 80’s and can touch 86 but with no controll at all….even if he some how can get it up to 90 he would never be able to control it

      • metsman 4 years ago

        Spin it any way you want, but Perez is not Castillo, he isn’t worth the league minimum, he’s subtraction by addition. He’s not worth the space in the Staten Island clubhouse either. I used to defend him, but after everything it seems a clear case of someone who took the money and ran. They should take that 400 k or whatever and donate it to charity. Nothing against the Yankees, I just want the guy to disapear.

        • haha thats why olli had negative points last year on fantasy hahahaha

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          I never said it WASN’T a good idea for the Mets to release him. The sooner “Met’s fan” can understand the discussion and realize the various differences between the reason he was signed to the Mets and the pay he received vs whatever team he signs with and the role he will play with them, then the better we will all be and we can move on to something else.

          • jwsox 4 years ago

            whats the point of signing olli when they have freddy garcia who actually won games last season

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Freddy is a RH starter. Perez would be a LF reliever pitching in AAA and avail if someone is injured.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago


      • GilWasTheMan 4 years ago

        Met fans have no fear of that happening try something else to get us riled.
        hahaha. both are washed up long ago

      • Spirit of '69 4 years ago

        Castillo and Perez really, really suck. Nothing would suck more if the Mets kept them. If the Yanks are so desperate that they would even allow themselves to be mentioned in the same breath as Perez then Theo is laughing hardest. Perez hasn’t gotten out of the mid-80s this Spring. But go ahead, grab him.

      • HA that’ll never happen. Luis’ SLG% has been UNDER .300 for the last 3 yrs. He has maybe hit 3 true doubles in that span. Mets front office let him go when they did b/c they HOPED he’d end up in Philly. Thats the only way the Mets front office will recoup any of that 6MM, by helping us on another division rival. Thank you Philly.

      • guydavis 4 years ago

        You should take a hint at how much hatred the mention of Ollie’s name in a positive light is bringing up. You’re right in saying that a 400k reclamation project for a young lefty is fine… on paper. If I was you I would be scared, ESPECIALLY as other bullpen lefties are having injuries, that he’d one day pitch for my team. I mean the Mets are way out of it and didn’t want him.. the Yankees are meant to be competing.

      • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

        You have a vivid imagination! Typical Yankees fan, probably hasn’t seen a National League game not involving the Yankees or the World Series in his life.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          I love the way you assume to know everything about me just because we disagree. Brilliant!

    • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

      HAHAHAHAHAHA They can only pay him the league minimum, and the Mets would still be on the hook for the remainder 11.6 million. hahahahaha other stuff other stuff hahahahaha

      • The Mets are on the hook right now for $12mil. Sunk cost. That is done. They are only on the hook for $11.6 if the Yankees pay them $400K to sign him. Keep laughing, I hope they do it. And I hope he makes the team.

        • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

          I wasn’t really laughing. It was more like mocking the ridiculous post I replied to. The Yanks’ pen is one of the tops in the league – I just can’t see him breaking the team even if they do sign him… which I seriously doubt Cashman would ever do in the first place.

        • Only the YankeeFan above is a troll… everybody else is just having a little fun.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Yeah I’m a troll. Shove your 8 comments up your buttocks homeboy.

            Seperate your hatred for Oliver Perez and the $12 mil he is currently owed. Now imagine you’re a GM looking for possible left handed pitching depth in case your two lefties in the pen (Feliciano, Logan) or the other on the DL (Marte) become unavailable and you don’t want to rush your best lefthanded minor lge prospect (Banuelos) to fill in. Now imagine that most teams salivate over lefties that can bring it at 88-90 mph. Now imagine that for what can be found under the seat cover of the owners BMW you can sign Perez and hope that he can be a decent plan D for you. WHy would you not sign him?

          • andrewyf 4 years ago

            Dude, Oliver Perez is literally one of the worst pitchers in all of baseball, majors and minors included.

            He’s done. He won’t be a Yankee, either, unless it’s a minor league deal so the Yankees can have a left-handed warm-up pitcher.

          • Your lack of baseball knowledge is astounding. What 8 comments? I will most certainly do nothing of the sort, homeslice.

            Most teams salivate over lefties that can throw 88-90 with location. See also: Chris Capuano. He literally describes what you said. Hopefully he stays healthy this season. Seems like a decent guy.

            Please, please stop trying to make Ollie sound like he’s anything but a BP pitcher at this point.

            I would not sign him because I’ve watched baseball since I was 5 and I have never, ever, seen anything like Ollie. He is literally not smart enough to get out of his own way.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Great for you. You are up to 18 comments on this board and you can me a troll?

            Anyone that signs him knows exactly what they are getting and will sign them because they hope they can turn him into something better. Nothing wrong with that at the AAA level.

            Ppl are acting as if he’s being given a spot on the 25 man roster and is expected to contribute right off the bat.

            If the Pirates can sign two kids from India for a “looksy” then there’s no reason to sign Perez for a AAA shot.

            I’m sorry for all who’ve had to hear me rant. Just can’t believe the lunacy regarding a potential minor lge project signing.

          • Attacking the number of comments I have on THIS account is dumb. What makes you think I don’t post under another account? Have you considered such things? And yes, your comments, personally attacking other posters, simply because they’re Met fans, or because you think they only have 18 comments on a board, are trollish. Perhaps you’re normal other times, but on this message board, you sound like a troll.

            As Met fans, we don’t get to laugh at other people too often. The fact that there is even inclination that both Perez AND Castillo could sign with our two most hated rivals, is cause for laughter. Granted, it’s likely premature in Perez’s case, but a guy can dream.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Isn’t a troll someone who bounces around from board to board regarding topics pertaining to other teams that they don’t root for looking to instigate an arguement? Last I heard this board has a lot to with the Yankees.

          • Ollie is recent enough that he’s still connected to the Mets. I only chimed in when you started with the “That sucks… for a Mets fan….” crap. So by my account, you picked the fight.

            And who says I’m bouncing from board to board picking fights? The only other board I commented on today was about the Brewers, because I honestly didn’t hear what happened to their two starters, so I asked.

            And I didn’t even pick a fight on here. Just came up with responses to your asinine comments about how much it sucks to be a Mets fan.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Does it not suck to have your team paying a guy $12mil to not play for them?

          • Nope, totally sucks. And I hated that Ollie was unwilling to try and earn it last season. Given the chance this season, he still sucked.

            I’m doing what any die hard fan would do, come to the defense of his team. Yankee fans got it with Irabu, with Kei Igawa, and the American Idle.

            The Mets tried to compete with the Yankees for the award for “Most Ridiculous Contract” for a while. They’re done with that now, or so it seems.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            If you agree that it does suck then why would you get mad when he says that it would suck for a Mets fan??

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            You called me a troll. I was clarify what I thought a troll to be, not accusing you of being one.

            And what I said was “Gee, that would suck….for a Mets fan”. The comments before it were “what if’s” pertaining to what if Castillo proved to be useful to the Phillies and Perez to the Yankees all while the Mets paid the majority of their salaries. Would that not suck for a Mets fan perspective, to see two useless players helping, perhaps, two of the Mets biggest rivals?

            This whole conversation has been reduced to 5th grade levels. I’ll take the blame for buying into it.

          • Foo Philly 4 years ago

            Why would you not sign him? Because if he does hit 88-90 ever again they won’t be for strikes unless they’re right down the middle and then they’ll end up in the bleachers.

    • There isn’t interest. It’s a load of B.S. , and no the Yanks aren’t concerned about their bullpen. It could be the best in the majors.

  13. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

    So the Yanks “have some interest” in that loser Ollie, but haven’t so much as glanced in Kenshin Kawakami’s direction? He had extremely poor run support in Atl, and check his “vs. AL East” stats.

    • nictonjr 4 years ago

      If the Braves eat all but the league minimum, and don’t want anything back, the Yanks would do their due diligence…

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      As soon as the Braves release him and he becomes available for alge minimumminor lge contract then they would be more than happy to kick the tires……your point was?

      Why are ppl acting as if they would be signing him for more than $450k or having him compete for a starting role or even a bullpen spot on the 25 man?

      I think it would be safe to say that taking a serious look at OP would be a good idea for ANY mlb GM.

      • His point was that Kawakami is a perfectly capable 5th starter that will likely only cost a team $1-2 million. The Yankees need pitching, so he brought up Kawakami. Even at that price, Kawakami is still likely to have more value than Perez at the league minimum. Some team is eventually going to give in and pay it.

        Bringing up his AL East stats was a pretty stupid idea though.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          The Yanks do not need KK for a 5th starter and that’s certainly not the role that OP would be brought in for if Cashman signed him. If it weren’t for the fact that I expect little reading comprehension from Mets fans I would be alarmed that this very notion (that it would be a minor lge deal as a lefty out the pen) seems to elude most of you.

          KK would require players to be moved in exchange, a 25 man spot and a couple of mil probably. On top of that, the Yanks don’t need more #5 candidates. They need top of rotation guys that can reduce the roles of AJ, Hughes and Nova and push them down in the rotation. KK does not make the Yanks rotation noticeably better.

          • Because Mets fans have less reading comprehension skills than Yankees fans? I think you’re getting a little too worked up about this…

          • mookie_and_doc 4 years ago

            attacking the reading comprehension skills of an entire group of people – most of which you’ve never met – completely discredits any argument you provide to this site.

            You should probably limit yourself to healthy baseball debate and not personal attacks.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Didn’t mean it literal but I find it interesting that the one person you choose to admonish is I and not the several other Met fans that have attacked me for an option on someone. For some reason they are taking the lukewarm idea of the Yanks signing him as some sort of assault on Met Nation.

      • greggofboken 4 years ago

        If you are not going to sign him w/the intention of having him compete for a rotation spot or a spot in the major league pen….why sign him? As a role model for the guys in AAA?

        I think it would be safe to say that you should not quit your day job.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Are you stupid? No he would not compete for a rotation spot. No it’s too late for him to compete for a bullpen spot.

          The same reasons why he won’t be with the Mets in 2011 would be the same reasons he will most likely be signed to a MINOR LEAGUE DEAL FOR $400K. He obviously has things to work on.

          In the real world, unlike a fantasy lge, players get hurt and are not as easily replaceable. Any team that signs him is doing so knowing that he will start the season in the minors to work out whatever his issues are and to get his velocity up. If he is successful in the minors then he can be brought up to serve whatever purpose, most likely as a lefty out the pen. If he fails then he gets released and the team wastes $400k on him which is nothing.

          The Mets were obviously in a different situation.

          a) he takes up a roster spot.
          b) would have to agree to be sent down to the minors which he has already refused to do if I’m correct (in 2010).
          c) For the Mets, he’s a distraction to the team and a possible club house cancer if you don’t get rid of him.

          Any team that he signs with operates under different circumstances.

          a) $400k as opposed to $12 mil
          b) He understands he will start off in the minors.
          c) he will be given a chance to re-establish his value.

          Much more conducive to a better outcome and a possible win/win for both sides.

          • KaiserSoze74 4 years ago

            Smh, i dunno whats worse, the fact that you think Ollie threw in the low to mid 90’s or you think signing Ollie to the minimum is some sort of win/win. He maxed out a rehab stint in the minors last year and came back still stinky. This is one player you shouldn’t look at as..he can help us. Ollie also stunk it up in winter ball. Yankees better spend that money elsewhere.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I said if he improves and can be an assett it’s a possible win/win.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            What I find truly intriguing is that this potential signing gets torn apart while the Red Sox signing Miller did not. They seem like nearly the same signing to me. If you can sign a guy who was once good for nearly no money (in baseball terms anyway) to take a chance that he regains some of that past success, why not do it? What’s $400k and a AAA roster spot to the Yankees?

            To me the worst reaction to this should have been “meh” not “OH MY GOD THE YANKEES ARE SO STUPID!!!1!” This is what good teams (with money to spend) do, if the guy works out, sweet they got him for basically free; if he doesn’t work out, oh well $400k isn’t going to get you much else anyway.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Thank you. A Sox and Yanks fan agree. Go figure, right?

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Just calling it like I see it. I might be a Red Sox fan but even I can see that sometimes people like to knock things the Yankees do simply because it’s the Yankees.

          • But if he is signed, as a Yankees fan you would likely just be rooting for him to fail in the minors, because if he is somehow effective at all down there and makes any appearances in the majors, he would have a good chance to blow any of those games for your team. Sure, $400K is nothing to the Yankees, but literally the only impact he could have would be negative, so there really isn’t a point in even “kicking the tires” on Ollie. He lost his velocity, does not really strike anyone out anymore, walks about a batter per inning, and gives up homeruns. Even as a lefty out of the pen on a minor league deal, there is absolutely no potential for value whatsoever.

          • Completely agree.

          • YaGottaBelieve11 4 years ago

            you want to sign this guy to literally STEAL innings from players at the AAA level who are trying to break into the bigs? That’s what it boils down to. Any appearance he makes in the minors is an appearance stolen from someone who could actually contribute at the major league level someday

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            They don’t likely already have 13 bullpen guys in AAA who really have a chance at the MLB level. If they did they probably wouldn’t be bothering with Perez right?

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            The key is they don’t have too many lefties at the AAA level they could throw into the fire if Logan or Feliciano get hurt. Right now Banuelos is our best lefty and you don’t want to rush him for any role, let alone a bullpen loogy.

            Steve Garrison, Andy Sisco and Kei Igawa are the only other lefties, either on the 40 man roster or in AAA. Igawa is tending to his family in Japan and may not return and might be just as bad as Perez.

            Signing Perez just offers for depth and nothing more.

      • mookie_and_doc 4 years ago

        Even just “kicking the tires” on Ollie Perez isn’t a good idea for any GM. The Mets dropped him despite the 12 million because any LHP with heartbeat is a more efficient use of a roster spot.

        There is absolutely no evidence that OP will be anything resembling an asset for anyone in the future.

  14. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    The Yankees have signed and now have the best rotation in the American League….. as long as long as all of these guys are in 2004.

    • JacksTigers 4 years ago

      Wow. I kind of failed on that last sentence.

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        In actuality you failed on the entire comment…..which by the way is only 1 sentence.

        • JacksTigers 4 years ago

          Are you telling me that Freddy Garcia, Bartolo Colon, Mark Prior, and perhaps Oliver Perez are better now than they were in 2004 or did I just fail once again in reading comprehension.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            No. The fact that you’re assuming that Garcia, COlon, Prior and perhaps Ollie are going to join the Yanks rotation is what makes your comment an epic fail.

            Garcia and Colon are fighting for the #5 spot. Prior is fighting for a bullpen role. IF Perez is signed it would likely be for a minor lge deal as he has had an awful ST,his velocity is below where it needs to be, the rotatio is 4/5th set and it’s too late for him to compete for any role on the mlb staff.

            I mean, is it me or is this very discussion insanely stupid. As rare as left handed pitchers are than can throw 90 mph how is it not a good idea to sign one that’s had somemlb success, is looking to rebuild their value to a lgeminimum deal and stash them in AAA w/ the hopes they can contribute at some point in the season?

            Would this comment draw 50 + negative comments if it were any other team?

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            It was a joke. Settle down dude. Your gonna have a herat attack. I’m not stupid, I know that they are fighting for the 5th spot. Your sense of humor is deffinetly lacking.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I certainly win’t overreact to anything said here. Howevevr, I am allergic to stupid (achew). Sry. Didn’t mean to sneeze on you there pal. Must be something in the air.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            Your usually one of the nicer posters on here. Not sure whats up with you today. Your kind of acting like a jerk. I made a joke that you have blown completly out of preportion.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            “The Yankees have signed and now have the best rotation in the American League….. as long as long as all of these guys are in 2004.”

            That’s not that bad.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I am really Red Sox Dynasty in disguise. I have hacked into YFS78’s account and am here to piss pp off.

            No really. Your comments were dumb. These “if only this were 2004″ comments are quite lame. Sry

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            Bad day? You have blown this way out of preportion. I’m not waisting any more of my time with you today.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago


          • YaGottaBelieve11 4 years ago


          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            So are you saying there’s no possible way that he can improve from 85 mph? Ever hear of a dead arm? Ever hear of having your mechanics corrected? By no means am I saying it’s a 25% chance, 50% chance, 75% chance let alone a 100% chance. No one can say for sure he will improve, stay the same or get worse. It’s simply giving him a chance and I don’t see a downside to a AAA chance.

            Isn’t Bartolo throwing 94 mph this spring? Wasn’t he throwing 89 in 2009 with the Sox? It’s not a stretch that he can build up his arm strength and get tit up to 88-90 by July.

          • YaGottaBelieve11 4 years ago

            the downside is by putting him in AAA he is stealing innings from guys who can actually make a difference in the future for your franchise. although the yanks will likely just purchase the rights to any holes in their pen they need anyway. So since thats the case, go ahead, let him waste innings in the minors.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Again, they don’t likely have a bullpen (or possibly rotation I suppose) in AAA full of guys ready to break the majors; if they did they wouldn’t be looking at Perez.

          • YaGottaBelieve11 4 years ago

            my point is those guys in AAA who aren’t ready now will have any potential growth stunted by a guy who will in all likelihood has seen his career come and go taking up their innings in the minors. It is a waste of money, but more importantly, its a waste of the however many innings the other guys wont get because he is there.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Who is he going to take time from? Kei Igawa? Andrew Sisco? They are the only two lefties who could potentially lose time to Perez and I don’t think Igawa losing pitching time is going to hurt any Yankee fan’s feelings.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            They don’t even have to send him to AAA. They can literally send him to extended spring training just to try and get his arm strength back.

          • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

            MLBTR: Reading Comprehension Test coming and I better study

      • MB923 4 years ago

        Well there is the edit button you know

        • JacksTigers 4 years ago

          Every time I try to edit I get a message that says a moderator must approve my comment.

  15. krosnest0713 4 years ago

    As a Sox fan….go for it Yankees!!!!
    Please sign him

    • as a met fan i can give you some info on this amazing YOUNG star

      1. he has the fastest fast ball in the mlb
      2. he throws nothing but strikes
      3. hes a lefty and kills all of the lefty batters
      4. he walks the least amount of batters in the mlb
      5. he has never given up a hr before
      6. HES CHEAP

      GO FOR IT

  16. Maybe a change of scenario will help Ollie. A change from Queens to the Bronx!

  17. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    I think I’m gonna cry…

  18. GaryLe 4 years ago

    This is why most know-it-all fans would actually be terrible GMs. What’s wrong with Oliver Perez has a lot more to do with his contract and less to do with his skills.

    Brian Cashman is signing a 29 year old left-handed pitcher with an extremely solid K rate for the league minimum $400k. The skills are absolutely still there.

    While Perez’s control issues are horrendous, the fact that he once displayed good control skills, and is young enough where those skills haven’t eroded with age shows that he’s probably just a mechanical or psychological issue.

    Yes the odds are slim that he becomes a decent starter again, but there is a decent chance that he can be a good live arm out of the bullpen.

    • stl_cards16 4 years ago

      Yes, about the same chance as you being a good, live arm out of the Yanks bullpen, Gary!

    • “The skills are absolutely still there.”

      You are funny.

    • GilWasTheMan 4 years ago

      watch the games then comment. stats sheets don’t tell all the story. he’s been the low to mid 80s for two years. Had only two good years 2004 and 2007. he never had much control. never. had good games and can lose it bad fast. think a bad AJ Burnett. He’s a selfish player who puts himself ahead of the team. If you still want him good luck.

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

      it says a lot about a pitcher when his BB rate is higher than his “solid” K rate

  19. SRT 4 years ago

    This can’t be anything but a rumor.
    Have the Yankees FO actually seen him pitch?
    There is a reason the Mets are paying him 12 million to walk away.

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      $12 mil to walk away < $450k for a minor lge deal to see if he can regain his velocity and be an OPTION as alefty out the pen……hmmmmmmm.

      (DING DING DING) Mets fail.

      • To be fair, the Mets are releasing him because he’s an obvious distraction. It’s not because he lacks upside and releasing him was definitely the correct thing to do.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          I did say that in earlier post. Absolutely made sense for them to release both Castillo and Perez. Absolutely makes sense for other teams to sign them at lge minimum as well, just for very reduced roles.

        • You are 100% incorrect. Sandy Alderson left him on the team for 20 days and let him pitch in 8 games and he pitched horribly. They gave him every chance to be the second lefty out of the pen. He has absolutely no upside, if you have watched him pitch at all this spring. If it was purely a distraction issue, he would have been released a long time ago. This has been going on for a while.

      • FamiliaTerritory 4 years ago

        That’s nice and all, but you’re forgetting one little tidbit about Ollie: HE WALKS THE PARK! When he’s not doing that, he’s giving up hit after hit after hit. My 3 year old niece could take him deep. Regain his velocity? You are REALLY asking for a lot there. The guy has the IQ of a peanut. Trust me man, the only thing that fails is Perez and the Yankees would be wasting their time if they truly think he’d be a decent option out of the pen….even for the minimum.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Ok. So they lose $400k and he never makes it to the Bronx. I think the Yanks, and all other 28 mlb teams can afford that.

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            The Pirates wouldn’t be able to…

          • goner 4 years ago

            The Pirates wouldn’t be able to afford it because playing time is a finite resource, and their internal options deserve it more than Perez.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            AAA…AA…A+….A-….Rookie…Instructional…..Ext spring training.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Any team can afford $400k for a minor lge contract. Don’t be absurd.

      • Dude, you keep posting saying he’s going to regain some of his velocity – what makes you think that’s going to happen? He spent all last offseason working out (apparently) – came back with an 89 MPH fastball. Sucked during the season. “Hurt” his knee. Rehabbed. Came back with an 86 MPH fastball, and less control than he had before.

        THEN, he supposedly spent all of this summer trying to regain his velocity and work on his slider control, and came back with less of both.

        Come on man, I understand every Yankee fan’s burning desire to beat up on the Mets whenever possible, but this round you just look dumb saying he’d be a good idea. Give it up.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Because often pitchers suffer threw “dead arm” periods. Sometimes a simply change in mechanics can add another 2 or 3 mph to a pitchers velocity. He’s a lefty. A lefty who can throw 90-91 mph and can come close to throwing strikes can spend 15 years bouncing around the majors.

          Also, did I not make it clear that he isn’t guaranteed a d@mn thing? I mean is this being missed? Ok. I’m done arguing over a minor lge depth move. This is almost the same as signing a Rich Harden, Eric Bedard or etc. Not injury related issues but literally attempts to capture lightning in a bottle with minimal risks and no impact on the major lge team.

          • You keep saying the same thing… 90-91. He won’t throw 90-91. Eric Bedard and Rich Harden are insulted that you just compared them to Ollie P. somewhere right now.

            You’re entitled to your opinion, but when it’s based on fallacy, you just sound silly.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Not comparing the players just the situations that they were signed under…..reclamation projects. Whether it’s because of health or inconsistent performances they were brought in with the hopes of regaining some sliver of past glory, even if it’s just a half of what they might have been at their best.

          • Fair enough, most of us are just saying that Ollie P’s past glory was based on luck for the most part.

            His one good season in Pittsburgh and 1.25 good seasons with the Mets were based on the fact he threw 95… which he hasn’t done since 2008 – before that horrible contract he got from Omar.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I don’t think anyone is going to sign him expecting him to be what he was at his best. However, if he can get his velocity up to 90 and reduce his whip to even a 1.50 then he can be somewhat a useful lefty loogy in the majors. A lefty with a pulse can literally bounce around the majors. it’s all about reducing his role and limiting the risks.

          • That’s all well and good, but I still think he ends up walking in runs.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            If he is consistently walking in runs he wont make the major league roster and there’s no harm done.

          • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

            Why not just give YanksFanSince78 innings on the minor league level? He has the same chance of making it to the majors.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I can’t get any sink on my sinker and my curve ball doesn’t curve anymore.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Besides, I prefer to be behind the scenes.

      • metsman 4 years ago

        How is that “(ding ding ding) Mets fail” ? they didn’t have the option to send him to minors, they asked and he refused to go. more like (ding ding ding) he, Omar, and Boras screwed the Mets.

      • I think the Yankees fail for even considering paying this spent pitcher $450K.

        Why not pay Gary Coleman $450K to see if he can rise from the dead and hit .300? It’s as likely as Perez suddenly adding 10MPH to his fastball after losing it two years ago. He’s done, the Mets were smart to let him go, the Yankees are crazy to even think about this.

  20. ac0814 4 years ago

    I find it hard to believe that Oliver will ever throw another major league pitch.

  21. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    I’m going to start drinking….. very heavily

    • East Coast Bias 4 years ago

      Save me a seat.

      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

        the front seat? or the back seat?

    • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

      Finally, a Yankee fan who gets it!

      • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

        Trust me even though our teams are rivals, I still tune in to catch Mets games as either a commercial flipper when the Yankees are in between innings or if they have an off day completely. I’ve seen enough of Ollie to really cringe and feel for you guys. In a way it reminded me of Jeff Weavers brief stint with the Yanks.

        • Darkest Passenger 4 years ago

          Worse…. imagine if Irabu impregnated Igawa and he pitched for the Yankees.

  22. YankeePhan1234 4 years ago


    Just stick with what we have…please….

  23. Craig_Bueno 4 years ago

    It’s a fact that most pitchers pitch worse when they join the Yankees. I’m just curious how much worse Perez could honestly get.

    • andrewyf 4 years ago

      Answer: a lot.

      The NL offense is so vastly inferior to the AL it’s not even funny. A 3.00 ERA in the NL is akin to a 4.00 ERA in the AL. Jonathan Niese and Mike Pelfrey would have a hard time cracking Scranton’s rotation.

      • Not really. NL pitchers get to face an almost automatic out every 2 innings or so. That about makes up the difference.

        • People dont understand it, do they? AL DH – 650 ABs of hopefully elite production. NL pitchers and Pinch hitters – 650 ABs of weak ground balls and 300 Ks

          • MB923 4 years ago

            I bet Johan wishes he didn’t give up that GS to the King lol

      • I think where the inferiority complex lays from this statement is clear.

        • andrewyf 4 years ago

          It’s physically impossible to have an inferiority complex in regards to the Mets. I tried it once and tore a hole through all possible realities. Shockingly, the Mets still sucked in all of them.

  24. Ruben Amaro and Brian Cashman must have a personal shrine to Omar Minaya somewhere off the NJ Turnpike.

    • Just watch out… Omar may lobby one of the two franchises for a job in the near future. Him and The Original Gangsta still need employment.

  25. coolstorybro222 4 years ago

    Oh my god.

    1. Sabathia
    2. Burnett
    3. Colon
    4. Perez
    5. Nova?


    • InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

      Hmmm….No Phil Hughes?

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      my head aches reading such stupidity. Yeah…Bartlo Colon is going to be the #3 starter for the Yanks. If that were the case I would cancel my mlb subscription and prepare for the WNBA season. Or maybe see if I can learn to get into curling or jai-alai.

      • “jai-alai”

        Pretty badass IMO

        • andrewyf 4 years ago

          75% of people who know what jai-alai is only know it exists because it was on Mad Men.

          50% of those people thought it was made up by the writers until they looked it up on the internet. I am one of those people.

          • Never watched Mad Men. I just know that Redhead is effing hotttt.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Big breast..red hair….green eyes. Amazing.

          • “Big” would be a understatement. I am a fan of a good smile, she has a amazing grill.

          • You're Killing Me Smalls 4 years ago


            EDIT: hit reply on wrong comment….

          • grownice 4 years ago

            What about the other breast?!

  26. bamf9 4 years ago

    Relax. You look at the Yankees pen and it’s probably top three in the league. Adding perez for some lefty depth at the minimum would not be the end of the world

  27. bamf9 4 years ago

    And to the people upset aboutthe Yankees rotation, was it any better last year? Sabathia, burnett, pettite, vazquez, Hughes. Burnett and vazquez sucked and Burnett can deff do well this year. Pettite missed considerable time. So sabathia, Burnett, Hughes, Garcia, nova isn’t steller, but I feel is more solid than last year.

  28. withpower 4 years ago

    For the league minimum I am all about this move.

    If he’s garbage cut him the exact same way the Metropolitans did… except for that whole paying him $11.6MM to not pitch.

    • Because the guy cannot pitch anymore. At least the Mets paid him in advance expecting him to be good. The people who made that decision were shown the door. Why would you pay him $400,000 when the expectation is that he will be bad?

  29. withpower 4 years ago

    I’m not convinced he can’t pitch anymore. Maybe it’s Steve Blass disease.

    Or maybe it’s the Mets.

  30. Craig_Bueno 4 years ago

    Maybe A.J. Burnett can take Perez under his wing and school him on the finer points of the art of pitching.

  31. ARod's Ring 4 years ago

    April fools in march?

  32. MB923 4 years ago

    Oliver Perez the former Met can’t be any worse than Oliver Perez the possible future Yankee can he? lol

    I guess we would have to hope Ollie Perez pulls a Robin Ventura out of his hat. Not that Ventura was garbage, or as garbage as Perez, but just better numbers in a Yankee uniform than his final year in a Met uniform.

  33. hrbomber1113 4 years ago

    I can’t f’ing belive i’m 63 comments in to this and all of you people haven’t even noticed that John “I MAKE SH!T UP FOR SCOTT BORAS” Heyman is the source of this rumor. And how it can even be a rumor when the GM isn’t interested is even more ridiculous.

    Mets fans really have no business laughing at hardly any team in the majors. Obviously, even if this did happen it would be a minor league deal to try and catch lightning in a bottle. The type of deal that happens 100 times a year. And laughing at the Yankees for possibly paying him a few hundred K to try and work it out in the minors while you’re paying Castillo, Perez and Bobby Bonilla is pretty ironic isn’t it?

    • greggofboken 4 years ago

      When you’ve got that bottle…open it up…and take a big, long swig.

      Let us know if it tastes like lightning.

      • hrbomber1113 4 years ago

        really? that isn’t even close to clever. as i said, teams do this every year. if it doesn’t work, there is no risk. if it does work, awesome. Josh Hamilton won the MVP last year and at one point everyone thought he was done but the Reds gambled and caught lightning in a bottle. It happens all the time in baseball. Guys come back from Japan, injuries etc etc and turn out to be very good players. The guy had talent at one point and if he hasn’t received a bad injury it’s possible he’ll be somewhat useful in the future. i don’t even know what you were making fun of, but if you’re a mets fan, you don’t have much room to talk about anything.

  34. hardcoreforhardcore 4 years ago

    For the love of God NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

  35. LOL.

    That is all.

  36. Who cares? He gets shelled and he gets released..

  37. icedrake523 4 years ago

    I haven’t laughed this hard since George said he had a place in the Hamptons.

  38. jwsox 4 years ago

    what they should do is take that 400K assuming his huge head would accecpt that. His attitude is one of the reason he is gone, he refused to go to the minors last season to get work in without hurting the team. Dude thinks he is cy young and thinks he is much much better than he is. So Take the money used to sign him and add it on to pettits last offer and try to get him back asap. Or sign pedro, at least he won games last season

  39. mobrien217 4 years ago

    This thread is rediculous. Yanksfansince78, you need to give it a rest. You are defending the same point probably 20 times and reiterating the point every time.

    Quit being a hack

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      So you comment about me commenting too much? I’m conversating with those responding to my earlier comments. Don’t like it? Go to another page then.

  40. hscphillyboy 4 years ago

    Must be doing this to match the Castillo to Philly move….HAHAHAHAHA

  41. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    The irony of it all is that the fans of a sub-.500 team are bashing a 95 win team for thinking of signing a player to a $450k minor lge contract to pitch for them in AAA while they will pay that same player $11.6mil to NOT pitch for them at all.

    Replay that same scenario and replace Perez with Castillo and the Yanks with the Phillies.

    • Yes, because Carl Pavano was the 2nd coming of Jesus. Every team has their bad contracts. The Yankees tend to have more than most (Kei Igawa, Hideki I-rob-u, etc etc.)

      You guys can absorb more of it than most because you, until recently, have tended to throw good money after bad, in an attempt to fix it. Only since Cashman grew a pair (and George died) has this been pulled back a bit. But only a bit. This tends to make you larger targets for those teams that don’t have the money to spend.

      And, in homage to Dem Bums, right now, we’re 0-0. So are you. Perpetual hope is also part of being a Mets fan.

      • andrewyf 4 years ago

        “Perpetual hope is also part of being a Mets fan.”

        Emphasis on perpetual, AMIRITE!?

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        Pavano was a disaster. Difference is you don’t see Yanks fans bashing Twins fans when they signed him. Every team makes moves they regret and never did I blast a Mets fan for it. Ppl can say, “Oh Perez is done” and I’m fine with that but to make it seem like the deal and the consequences are more than they are is silly. Ppl are acting as if it’s a desperation move as if 2011 is going to rest on the shoulders of OP if he were signed.

  42. MetsRock2011 4 years ago

    Yanksfansince78 get a life, it isnt that serious. Oliver Perez has been a loser for 4 years, and will continue to be, Cant understand hoe the mighty Yankees, would want to pick up the mets sloopy seconds, the mighty Yankees, picking up scrap. LOL- Take a nap and rethink all of your comments in the morning.

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      Great insight. Fabulous use and mastery of the English language. One man’s expensive piece of trash is another man possible loogy. Difference is, Yanks are not resting their 2011 hopes on him and can afford to take a $400k chance.

      The sooner you can accept the difference between the role he was expected to serve for the Mets at $12 mil vs the role he would play with whoever signs him to a minor lge deal @ $400k then the better off you will be.

  43. I don’t see the Yankees having ANY interest in Perez. Clearly, Heyman at SI had no real news today so he threw out this silliness. The Yankees have one of the the top pens and there are numerous SP and RP options to waste a spot ANYWHERE in the system on Perez

  44. rovert22044 4 years ago

    This would be a decent grab at league minimum. Any higher, terrible signing.

  45. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    If he can’t pitch for the Mets, I GUARANTEE he can’t pitch for the Yankees.

  46. thevauntedchris 4 years ago

    You guys are giving Yanksfan too hard of a time. His theory is almost always going to be correct in taking a flyer on guys. I believe that is the point he is arguing. I can say, as a Yankees fan, that Oliver Perez might be the first pitcher I wouldn’t take a 400k flyer on. And it’s not even my money.

  47. I saw the headline and could only think “No way”. It must be a rumor created by a Yankee-Hating Mets Fan. That, or it was created by a Mets-Hating Yankee Fan.

  48. TheHotCorner 4 years ago

    LOL…Ollie must be proud right now knowing that a posting about him has made it to 270+ posts. Who would have thought some people on here would get so riled up about the guy.

  49. I’d rather have Oliver Hardy. Stan Laurel, too, over Oliver Perez.

  50. HAHAHAHA It would be the greatest day to be a met fan if Ollie goes to the yanks, with him in the bronx and castillo in philly we are destorying our 2 biggest rivals without even playing them!

  51. kimofromkauai 4 years ago

    If the Rays hadn’t punted this season already the Yankees would be in some trouble.

  52. captainjeter 4 years ago

    Now, I am going to hurl my lunch.

  53. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    So I’ve heard.

  54. SixAces 4 years ago

    herat attacks are deffinetly the worst.

  55. Is your other handle PackersFanSince2011?

  56. OK, did you intentionally do that? Either way.. lame

  57. yeyeye72 4 years ago

    What are you talking about??

  58. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    haha.. (sigh). Dude..whatever. Ask about me. (i’ma hustler…i’ma i’ma hustler homie). I’ve been around since the days of John Montefusco. I’ve been thru the Melido Perez, Bam Bam Meluens is the next great thing and Dan Pasqua is the next Mickey Mantle years. I have zero to prove to you.

  59. kimofromkauai 4 years ago

    Most of the bull pen and Crawford and Pena walked away. I don’t think Damon and Manny are suitable replacements.

    They also traded away a SP (Garza) for mostly future prospects.

  60. MB923 4 years ago

    Who was this a response to? lol

  61. I’ve been a Yankee fan since the days of Horace Clark, Celerino Sanchez, Mike Kekich, Roy white, and Gene michael. in other words, since 1966. I have read AND enjoyed MANY of your postings. and I say for the record that you are CORRECT, sir. no harm in taking a flyer at the ML minimum. no worse than signing Mark Prior.

  62. Much worse than signing Mark Prior, because Ollie in his prime was a shell of Prior at his best.

  63. YaGottaBelieve11 4 years ago

    Prior was lights out for the Fullerton Flyers, Ollie could not get Mexican league hitters out. I’m not telling you he isn’t worth a minor league deal at league minimum (although i certainly don’t believe he is), but the prior signing definitely has greater potential to be a good signing than ANY potential Ollie signing to ANY team would.

  64. Then you should know it was Clarke. With an e at the end.

  65. The fact that he’s a complete headcase is what’s working against him the most. His velocity is down, his location has degraded, and he isn’t trending upwards. His “plus” secondary pitch, his slider, can’t be located at all right now, which is why he was getting clobbered in ST (and last season). Someone waits on the fastball because he can’t locate the slider.

    I would sign Kevin Millwood over him in a heartbeat if I were teams looking for a pitcher. Millwood might not have thrown, but at least at some point in time he was a Major League pitcher, not just a guy occupying a spot.

  66. MaineSox 4 years ago

    By all accounts Hellickson should be able to produce at the same level as Garza, possibly even higher, and Manny and Damon will likely more than replace the overall offense of Crawford and Pena from last season. The only place I see them likely losing production is the bullpen.

  67. MaineSox 4 years ago

    No, he accidently misspelled the word the same way two other people did before him…

  68. Didnt see the other post. Anyways its still pretty lame.

  69. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    And defense.

  70. MB923 4 years ago

    Losing prodcution out of the bullpen is a huge loss especially when your in a division that has arguably the 2 best offensive teams in all of baseball. When you go from Benoit/Soriano to Farnsworth/Howell, you could be in deep crap. Remember, the only bright star in the Rays rotation so far has been Price. Shields sucks. The other 3 are young and not a whole lot of experience. Would I take it over the Yankees rotaiton? Of course. But I’d like to see the young kids not named David Price pitch a good season first before I can call them a good rotation. Outside of Price, the others are question marks. In no way shape or form am I saying they are going to be busts. As a matter of fact like you, I think Hellickson could be as good as Garza and maybe better. But losing Crawford and losing your best bullpen arms is a huge loss.

  71. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    “the only bright star in the Rays rotation so far has been Price. Shields sucks.”

    what a ludicrous statement. seriously

    – shields had an unlucky 2010 (.341 BABIP; 68.4 LOB%; 13.8 HR/FB%). prior to that, he was a perennial 4 WAR pitcher. cole hamels, chris carpenter, and shawn marcum are among the guys who didn’t touch 4 WAR last year

    – from 2007-2009, shields was 12th in all of baseball in total WAR with 12.5. you know who had 12.6 over that time? andy pettitte. guess he sucked too, huh?

    – niemann has already proven he can be a 3 WAR pitcher for tampa; wade davis’ stuff + upside is still good enough to make him a #2 starter and if you examine his numbers last year he got better almost every month of the season; and jeremy hellickson has TOR pitcher written all over him. he’ll only have to pitch as a #5, but replacing garza isn’t even a difficult task (garza posted 1.8 WAR last year)

    all of this ignores the fact that they have depth for days in the minors – and the arms down there aren’t old AAAA-types. theyre more legit prospects

  72. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    also the ‘problems’ with the rays’ bullpen have been totally overblown. not only were soriano and benoit unlikey to repeat their 2010 performances if kept in the first place, the replacements they’ve brought in are more than adequate. they did the right thing by letting everybody walk and collecting the draft picks for one of the deepest draft pools everrrrr

  73. MB923 4 years ago

    Oh boy, the WAR guy. Shields has a career WAR of 11.6 in 5 seasons. He had a NEGATIVE 1.3 WAR last year. He had a great K/BB ratio but he gave up way too many dingers.

    fWAR says Shields had 2.2, and it said Garza had 1.8

    rWAR has Shields at -1.3 and Garza at 2.0

    One has a guy worth 3.3 more wins, one has the same guy with -0.4 less wins. Obviously there is some discrepancy within them and I am going to get more into each of them, but to the looks of it, it seems rWAR is more legit.

    I’ll go ask any single Rays “fan” who had a better year, I assure you all of them, will tell me Garza. I was on ESPN convo boards, every single Rays fan kept saying each game he pitched wehther they will see Big Game or Big Shame James.

    I said the other 3 were young and did not have a whole lot of experience, I did not say they are not going to have a good season. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Read my response again to MaineSox, I even expect Hellickson to do just fine.

    In 33 starts last year, Shields had 17 QS. 51%

    Garza had 19 in 32 starts. 59%. Not Great, but much better than Shields.

    Edited- Numbers adjusted in WAR for Garza

  74. MB923 4 years ago

    WAR the past 4 seasons for Shields (on rWAR)

    2007- 5.3
    2008- 3.6
    2009- 2.0
    2010- -1.3

    For Garza I’m going to combine 06 and 07 since the 2 seasons combined he threw about 133 innings

    06/07 – 0.8
    08- 3.2
    09- 3.8
    10- 2.0

    Increased every year but a drop last year. Shields has decreased every year the past 3 years. Now of course I do not expect him to do as bad last year, but I don’t expect anything way above average either out of Shields. Unless a 0 WAR is average which I doubt lol.

  75. MB923 4 years ago

    I agree that they are unlikely to repeat 2010, but if I may ask, do you expect Farnsworth/Howell to have the years that Benoit/Soriano did last year?

    I don’t disagree with them allowing the others to walk, especially Crawford and Soriano for the deals that they got. However, I expect this more to be of a rebuilding year for the Rays. I expect a 2009 type season out of them. Again, these are predictions and we shall see what happens. Would I be surprised to see the Rays finish in 2nd place? Indeed I would. But anything can happen.

  76. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Yeah, left field defense.

  77. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i have no interest in teaching you about why rWAR is bad again. all i will point out is that you have shifted the goalposts now to a comparison of garza and shields when what you originally said is “shields sucks”. shields does not suck. at all. he had a bad 2010, directly attributable to luck. prior to that, he was a top 15-20 pitcher in all of baseball

    again, if james shields sucks, so does andy pettitte. did andy pettitte suck? did johan santana, cole hamels, matt cain suck? they all performed worse than sheilds from 2007-2009

    “Why are you putting words in my mouth?”

    this is hilarious. the only thing i claimed you said is what i quoted directly. you are now putting words in my mouth by saying that i said that you said something more. awesome

  78. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    you can do whatever you want obviously, but until you can provide a coherent justification for using ERA (a massively imprecise measure of individual pitching performance) modified by Total Zone (an imprecise measure of individual defensive performance) to determine the value of a pitcher’s individual performance, you shouldn’t be citing rWAR

  79. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    no. and i don’t expect benoit/soriano to have the years that benoit/soriano had either. and i don’t expect it to matter a ton either. you are talking about 4.2 WAR from soriano+benoit+balfour+wheeler combined last year


    in a pitcher’s park? should be fine. maddon has no closer fetish and is smart enough to use them correctly

  80. MB923 4 years ago

    “this is hilarious. the only thing i claimed you said is what i quoted directly. you are now putting words in my mouth by saying that i said that you said something more. awesome ”

    Errr no. Try this- “niemann has already proven he can be a 3 WAR pitcher for tampa; wade davis’ stuff + upside is still good enough to make him a #2 starter and if you examine his numbers last year he got better almost every month of the season; and jeremy hellickson has TOR pitcher written all over him. he’ll only have to pitch as a #5, but replacing garza isn’t even a difficult task (garza posted 1.8 WAR last year)

    I appreciate the numbers you give. You’re trying to act as if 1+ season = the future. And as if good rookies can’t have bad futures (not that I am saying it will happen), but you’re making it almost a guarantee. I didn’t say they’d have bad years, I said they are ?, and that is all there is to that.

    Fine I’ll take back the Shields sucks, but he’s no top pitcher. Also why are you using years past to judge a pitcher and how he is today and how he will be. Look at Javy Vazquez war from 2007-2009, and look how he did in 2010. How would you rate Vazquez on a scale of 1-10? From 2007-2009 it looked like he was at least an 8-9. Today I don’t think anybody would give him higher than a 3.

  81. MB923 4 years ago

    If you want my honest opinion about ERA. I think it has to be calculated differently. I don’t think all runs should be unearned in the remainder of an inning because of 1 error, I would say the only run that could be unearned is simply the guy who reached or scored on an error. I’m sorry for not liking FIP but stop acting as if I’m dumb for liking ERA more. I’m allowed to use what I like to use, you’re allowed to use what you want to use. ERA and FIP have flaws to them. I just think FIP has more of a major flaw.

  82. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    “why are you using years past to judge a pitcher and how he is today and how he will be. ”

    because we are talking about james shields, whose 2010 was a marked outlier from the three previous very consistent seasons — and whose outlier year is largely explainable by the data as bad luck not a loss of skill. remember the first time i said this? yeah me too

  83. MaineSox 4 years ago

    You’re calling him out for using one year to judge a pitcher while that is literally exactly what you are doing with Shields, in his first three full years he was consistently a 4.0-4.5 WAR pitcher then he has a down year and that is the new expectation of him?

  84. MB923 4 years ago

    From what I heard, WAR is not good to use on relievers.


    Rafael Betancourt in 2010, 1 save, 3.90 ERA, a miserable 25% GB ratio, and a miserable HR/9 of 1.30 had a WAR of 1.7

    Daniel Bard, well you know the numbers, had a WAR of 1.5

    Do you really think Betancourt was better than Bard last year?

  85. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i literally just said you can do whatever you want. i’ve explained my position and explained why rWAR is poor. you’ve never given me any sense at all that you even have a reason for preferring it. you didn’t know how it was calculated until i told you a couple weeks ago – and even then you didn’t seem to understand

    i’m going to think your choice is dumb until i know why you’ve made it. that’s not unreasonable of me

  86. notsureifsrs 4 years ago


  87. MaineSox 4 years ago

    12.85 K/9 – 1.16 BB/9 – 2.29 xFIP I’d say Betancourt was pretty dang good last year, maybe he used flyballs to get there but it obviously worked for him.

  88. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    no you were only supposed to pick betancourt’s bad stats and bard’s good ones

  89. MB923 4 years ago

    Boils down to that? It’s ALL about K and BB ratio? In that case

    Shields- 8.3
    Halladay- 6.7

    Shields- 2.0
    Halladay- 1.9

    Shields- 3.73
    Halladay- 3.50

    There we have it, it’s ALL settled, Shields > Halladay

    Best of luck on getting agreements.

  90. MB923 4 years ago

    ERA+ (park adjusted remember)

    Bard- 229
    Betancourt- 127

  91. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Ugh, I can never quite get that right.

  92. MB923 4 years ago

    Find, Bard’s minor bad stat was his BB/9 at 3.9. Betanscourt K/9 was higher and BB/9 was much lower

    But face it notsure, apparently to you, a pitcher giving up a walk does MORE harm than a pitcher giving up extra base hits.

  93. MB923 4 years ago

    Again I use rWAR, he used fWAR, seems to me the difference is one penalizes hits given up and one ignores it all together (except HR). Just because I like rWAR and he doesn’t, doesn’t mean he’s right and I’m wrong.

  94. MB923 4 years ago

    As I said, Shields WAR has decreased the last 4 seasons. I don’t exepect it go do down in 2011, but he is far from an above average pitcher.

  95. MB923 4 years ago


    Pitcher WAR considers how many runs a pitcher allowed and then compares that to the number a replacement pitcher would allow.

    To compute the amount from the replacement pitcher, we begin with the average runs allowed by pitchers facing the same set of teams for the same number of innings as the pitcher in question. We then adjust that number by the defense’s runs saved for our pitcher (using Total Zone) per ball in play and our pitcher’s team’s park factor.

    So now we have runs allowed by an average pitcher with our pitcher’s opponents, defense, and park. We then multiply this by 1.22 or 1.18 (for the AL and NL respectively) to get replacement level for the AL and NL. This gives us Replacement runs, RR.

    The replacement level for starters and relievers is different so we then decrease RR by 12.5% times the percent of relief innings thrown. The replacement level reliever has a much lower ERA than the replacement level starter.

    We now get the pitcher’s runs above replacement (RAR) as actual runs allowed – adjusted RR.

    Next, we adjust for leverage and bullpen chaining by multiplying the RAR by (average leverage + 1)/2.

    Finally, we adjust this into wins above replacement by dividing by a context-adjusted runs/win value (which is typically around 10).

  96. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Giving up a walk is not more harmful than giving up extra base hits but it does speak more directly to the talent of the pitcher. An extra base hit involves some luck, placement of the fielders, speed and/or skill of the fielders, and the skill of the hitter; are those things really a function of how skilled the pitcher is? If a guy can’t find the strike zone and is walking four or five people per game that is certainly about the pitchers skill.

  97. MB923 4 years ago

    I really enjoyed your answer on my question about Vazquez. The guy who had a WAR of 5.32 AVERAGE (not Total) in his past 4 seasons before 2010, followed by a 2010 of NEGATIVE 0.2. And remember, this is on fWAR, which let me guess, projected Vazquez to have a WAR of about 4.5 or so in 2010?

  98. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i don’t even think you’re worth talking to anymore. you know very well he didn’t say a pitcher’s worth boils down to k/bb exclusively. you’re pretending he did just so you can look like you’re in the right

    i’m plenty snarky, but i also think these conversations are only worth having if they’re funny and/or people are learning things from them. you’re just trying to have a pissing context — at the expense of knowledge & understanding. it’s not funny or interesting, just tedious

  99. MaineSox 4 years ago

    I never said that that is all that matters (I actually mentioned his xFIP too) nice try though.




    So Buchholz is better than Halladay right? I mean he had a lower ERA and gave up less HRs and hits.

  100. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    you know i’ve read that because i have already given you my critique of it (this was before you even knew how it worked, remember). at the start, i explained to you why that is much less precise than the alternative. you were asked to respond at that level of discussion, not to just c&p the mechanics of rWAR calculation

    i’m not really interested in your thoughts about it anymore tho, so you’re off the hook

  101. MB923 4 years ago

    I’m not pretending anything, because of stats I seen, the only thing Betancourt had over Bard was a better K/9, BB/9 and K/BB.

    Bard- .215
    Betancourt- .303

    Bard- 86.0%
    Betancourt- 73.8%

    Bard- 46.7%
    Betancourt- 25.9%

    Bard- 8.7
    Betancourt- 11.7

    Again, the only thing Betancourt leads is K, BB and a little better WHIP of 0.96 to 1.00

    I have asked you a simple question and you do nothing but call me dumb. I am provideing numbers, you have provided nothing but FIP. (Notice how I didn’t provide ERA despite Bard having an ERA of 1.7 better)

  102. MB923 4 years ago

    Funny how you (and I, I can admit) failed to show that Halladay threw over 70 more innings. And just in case you were wondering, Bard threw more IP than Betancourt. A total of 12 more innings which is a lot of more innings when you’re comparing relievers.

  103. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    vasquez was dominant for four years. objectively. even in chicago. then he moved from the NL East to the AL east while and lost velocity at age 34 and got blown up. his BABIP and strand rate were stable if anything, and his homeruns were only slightly elevated. it wasn’t bad luck

    shields has nothing in common with him and we can take nothing from the comparison but that a pitcher’s future performance can never be guaranteed, which we already knew

    you are desperate and boring

  104. MB923 4 years ago

    Wasn’t comparing Vazquez to Shields. I was saying you seem convinced that a 4 year WAR period tells the story. Shields (on fWAR at least) had a good 4 year period. Vazquez had a great 4 year period. Both of those pitchers pitched poorly last year. But yet hear you are trying to act as if you’re always right and the past always tells us the future

    If providing stats = boring, then why do you watch baseball?

  105. MB923 4 years ago

    Yes your critique is that using a pitchers defense behind him shouldn’t punish him on hits he allows. Because I have a different view of that (just like they do), you seem as if everyone is dumb because fWAR is 100% perfect.

  106. MB923 4 years ago

    “An extra base hit involves some luck, placement of the fielders, speed and/or skill of the fielders, and the skill of the hitter”

    And have you ever thought of that until they have those machines that call balls and strikes, your luck replies on the eyes of the man in blue behind home plate? There are plenty of bad ball/strike calls in baseball.

  107. MaineSox 4 years ago

    I know that, but there are a lot less variables involved in balls and strikes than in hits and extra base hits.

  108. MB923 4 years ago

    So are you saying when a pitcher gives up a hit, the defense is to blame? Are you also saying that all balls put in play are playable to make to prevent a hit?

  109. MaineSox 4 years ago

    To blame? No. A factor? Absolutely.

  110. MB923 4 years ago

    It’s a factor when a ball put in play is arguably makeable. Not all balls put in play are makeable plays bearing the defense is in the most unusual position you would ever see.

    As I said, balls and strikes can vary by umpire, that is an extremely big factor as well. I’m sure you’ve seen plenty of 3-2 pitches that were in the strike zone that were called balls, and plenty of them that were outside the zone but called strikes

  111. MB923 4 years ago

    haha (laughing at the TWSS comment)

  112. MaineSox 4 years ago

    It’s not solely about positioning, how many runs do you think the Red Sox outfield could have saved last year if we had Ellsbury, Crawford, and Cameron/Drew instead of Hall, Nava, Paterson, McDonald, Hermida simply going on range and overall skill? It’s not an insignificant amount.

  113. MB923 4 years ago

    Too small now lol

  114. MaineSox 4 years ago

    That’s what she said

  115. MaineSox 4 years ago

    That’s what she said

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