The Giants And Jose Reyes

After being shut out by Tom Gorzelanny last night, the Giants rank second to last in the NL with 3.54 runs scored per game.  "We're awful right now," manager Bruce Bochy told reporters last nightPablo Sandoval, Andres Torres, and Mark DeRosa are currently on the disabled list.  Aubrey Huff, Miguel Tejada, and Cody Ross have been terrible so far, while Buster Posey has failed to meet lofty expectations in the early going.

Chatter for the Giants to recall Brandon Belt is increasing, as he's killed the ball in nine games for the Fresno Grizzlies.  CBS' Danny Knobler wondered this morning whether Belt can be the Posey of 2011, providing the team's offense with a jolt.

Reyes

ESPN's Buster Olney speculated on another possibility this morning in his blog, a potential acquisition Giants fans inquire about every week in my chats.  Mets shortstop Jose Reyes is off to a .309/.348/.439 start, similar to his career averages and a big upgrade over Tejada offensively and defensively.  The Giants would have to accommodate Reyes' $11MM salary, $3.57MM of which will still be owed to him if he's acquired on July 31st.  Also, the Giants "would have to give up a really, really good young player — the Mets presumably would ask for a top-of-the-line young pitcher," in Olney's opinion.  Interesting side note: Olney guesses that Reyes "could be convinced to stay by a solid multi-year offer," rather than test free agency.    

One factor determining the Mets' asking price for Reyes will be how many other teams are seriously in the mix for him.  The Twins could make an offer, but only if they pull themselves up out of the AL Central gutter.  The Athletics could use a boost at shortstop.  The Brewers are a nice match, though their farm system is depleted.

The cost of renting a star position player has varied in recent years.  A few examples:

  • In July of 2009, the Cardinals acquired Matt Holliday and $1.5MM from the Athletics for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortensen, and Shane Peterson.  Prior to the '09 season, ESPN's Keith Law ranked Wallace 19th among all prospects, while Baseball Prospectus' Kevin Goldstein had him 37th.
  • In July of 2008, the Angels acquired Mark Teixeira from the Braves for Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek.  Marek wasn't a top 100 prospect, but he ranked sixth among Angels prospects before that season according to Baseball America.  BA ranked the Halos' farm system tenth in baseball.  Kotchman was 25 at the time, coming off a strong '07 season.  He was under team control through 2011 and owned a career line of .274/.337/.426.  Prior to his time in the Majors, BA had ranked Kotchman among their top 22 prospects four separate times.

These aren't great comparables, since Wallace was a top position player prospect and Kotchman was a decently-regarded first baseman headed for his second arbitration year.  Technically the Giants have a top position player prospect in Belt, who is universally considered among the top 25 prospects in the game.  I can't picture the Giants considering trading Belt's career for a couple months of Reyes, however.

If the Mets do focus on pitching, as Olney suggests, they'd have to ask for Zack Wheeler.  The righty was drafted sixth overall in '09 and is one of the 55 best prospects in the game on all lists. 

At the big league level, the Giants have two established starters the Mets could try to acquire.  One is Jonathan Sanchez, a solid lefty with a walk problem.  He's under team control through 2012; how much value would his '12 season at a salary of $8MM or so be of to the Mets?  Perhaps GM Sandy Alderson could flip Sanchez for longer-term players.  The Giants also have southpaw Madison Bumgarner, who is more valuable than Belt and controlled through 2016.  Like Belt, Bumgarner is way too much for Reyes.

The Giants do have the pieces to acquire Reyes, depending on how far they are willing to go.  I don't think it would take much more than Wheeler, if the Giants make that sacrifice.  Using Wheeler to get Reyes would at least allow the Giants to keep their big league rotation intact.  Building a deal around Sanchez would be easier to stomach long-term, but would leave a pretty big hole in the team's rotation.  And since Sanchez is only controlled through '12, the Giants might have to further dip into their stash of prospects to appease the Mets.  Though the Giants' farm system is considered among the bottom ten in the game, they do have interesting prospects beyond Belt and Wheeler.

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195 Comments on "The Giants And Jose Reyes"


NoDoOvers
4 years 2 months ago

If Minaya were still at the helm, we’d make a stupid deal for Sanchez. While the Mets will have their payroll problems going forward, a large part of why I was so excited to have Alderson take over with this team is for this year when they are wheeling and dealing. The Mets will not be contending any time soon making Sanchez’s contract pointless, go get some nice young guys and get ready to contend in few years.

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

Why would we trade for a guy who is hitting free agency next year.

gmenagain
4 years 2 months ago

Because …..

1. He is a better lead off hitter than ANYONE on the Giants roster.
2. He’s about 30 years younger than Miguel Tejada.
3. He is the spark the Giants offense needs—-have you watched them?????
4. If you only have to give up prospects…….it’s a NO BRAINER!!!!!!

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

Sorry, I’m a Met fan referencing Sanchez.

4 years 2 months ago

Because… Posey, Pablo, Timmy, Cain, etc. where prospects at one time.

gmenagain
4 years 2 months ago

Sure they WERE………….but what about the other 125 players who went through the system…….and became NOTHING! Its a gamble to begin with, but when you are getting an All-Star talent, it favors the GIANTS! Pablo isn’t the best example either—2009 was it in my books…….he needs to get back to what got him here. And besides………….we don’t have a SS in the system………this guy is heading in to the PRIME YEARS of his career!!!! Trade for him—–SIGN him——-it’s a No-Brainer!!

Martin M.
4 years 2 months ago

Reyes should stay in NY!

mkl_nyn
4 years 2 months ago

What happened to Wilmer Flores?

4 years 2 months ago

While I’m not willing to give up on Flores sticking an SS yet all signs point to him moving to a corner position. Also, he’s a few years away, so banking on him living up to expectations as a reason to not re-sign Reyes would be a foolish move on the Mets’ part. If he were killing it in AAA it’d be a different story, but he’s 19 in high A ball.

4 years 2 months ago

If Minaya were still at the helm, we’d make a stupid deal for Sanchez. While the Mets will have their payroll problems going forward, a large part of why I was so excited to have Alderson take over with this team is for this year when they are wheeling and dealing. The Mets will not be contending any time soon making Sanchez’s contract pointless, go get some nice young guys and get ready to contend in few years.

P.S.-Sorry for double post-NoDoOvers is a different account.

notsureifsrs
4 years 2 months ago

no do overs

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 2 months ago

not sure if srs can no do overs.

It sounded funnier in my head.

TartanElk
4 years 2 months ago

So you posted again just for the “likes,” I presume? I approve.

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

What you said here was as dumb as the other account.

4 years 2 months ago

Whats the possibility of the Giants getting him during the series against the Mets???

4 years 2 months ago

zero. the mets would wait until july

4 years 2 months ago

Sanchez is not going anywhere, and I am a Padre fan.

Gumby65
4 years 2 months ago

Well yeah, as a Padre fan, Sanchez has to be firmly tattooed in your memory like Joe Morgan is in a Dodger fan’s recurring nightmare.

northsfbay
4 years 2 months ago

The Giants are not going to trade young starting pitchers or Belt. You can forget about that trade.

4 years 2 months ago

The Giants should consider trading Wheeler for Reyes. Look at the track record for trading/developing stating pitchers. The Giants, when they’ve decided to make a move, it’s worked out well.

Besides, the Giants have had many pitching prospects the last 10 years, and we have 4 excellent ones to show for it in the majors. But the Giants also moved pitchers like Ainsworth, Foppert, Williams, Vogelsong and Alderson and have yet to feel the pinch.

There will be another Wheeler coming up through the minors. Clayton Tanner could also be a chip.

Offer Wheeler and Burris and make a long-term deal happen. Reyes would hit a dozen triples a year in AT&T.

JaySchu
4 years 2 months ago

Homer.

dodgers33dodgers
4 years 2 months ago

dont forget lirano and nathan…in the perzinski trade…lol

sf55forlife
4 years 2 months ago

how is Carlos Santana doing for the Dodgers??? Oh, wait the Dodgers traded him for Casey Blake.

Every team has bad trades in their history. The fact is that the Giants have done a good job of evaluating pitchers in recent years.

dodgers33dodgers
4 years 2 months ago

Blake has done a whole lot more then Aj did for the Giants…so i would not exactly call that a bad trade till santana puts up All-Star numbers like lirano and nathan.

4 years 2 months ago

besides the unexpected no-hitter, Liriano had a 9+era to start the season. he had 1 decent year prior to that with an injury ridden career in between. Joe Nathan has been solid, but I wouldn’t put him in the Hall just yet.

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

his first year was decent, last year was decent. no hitters pretty good – big time velo, just a few control issues for an otherwise bonafide no. 2 starter.

55legend
4 years 2 months ago

Liriano isn’t that good. Yes, yes he threw a no hitter but he also got extremely lucky w/ 2 strikeouts and 8 walks? He’s also only had one good year in ’06. Nathan..well, we have the Beard and he was traded in ’04 anyway. ’04-’08 we sucked anyways, and a closer/reliever wouldn’t have made a difference lol

55legend
4 years 2 months ago

oh and hey, Nathan is injured too

4 years 2 months ago

the mets would be fools to trade reyes for like the 15th best pitching prospect in baseball…wheeler was ranked lower on most prospect list than mejia – the mets top pitching prospect who is about to have TJS…wheeler is not good enough to be a centerpiece…thats whats so ridiculous about this article…the giants dont have a single prospect that is good enough to bring back reyes unless u bunch them together…the mets can get a much better prospect from a team like the rays…

furthermore why would the mets even be interested in belt when they have 1b locked up w/ ike davis – who really has some of the best numbers of any 1b so far this year, is younger than belt, plays far superior defense, and has the power to be a 30-40 hr threat, all while hitting upwards towards 300? not saying belt might not be better but its not a position of need at all

really the only thing the mets should be willing to deal reyes to the giants for is madison bumgarner (or buster posey haha) which i dont think the giants do…i wouldnt even take cain if i were the mets…

if the mets are really going to trade reyes (which im not convinced they are considering they have SO MUCH money coming off the books next season that they could easily afford the slight hike in his annual $ (he already makes 11 mil and the mets have about 50 or so coming off outside of his contract) they would be fools to do so for a centerpiece like wheeler, who isnt even in the same realm of talent as guys like tim or madison

4 years 2 months ago

“is younger than Belt” – incorrect
“plays far superior defense” – ??

Agree that Davis is a nice young player and it’s not a position of need for the Mets, but seems like some of your info on Brandon Belt is wrong.

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

Ike is a year and a month older than Belt – but hes an already proven major leaguer so if the Mets are getting anyone it’d likely be Wheeler + someone.

Drewbs
4 years 2 months ago

I realize that Jose Reyes is a stud shortstop when he’s healthy… again, when he’s healthy. You’re off your rocker if you think Reyes is worth a Madison Bumgarner type pitcher when his salary expires after this season and the Mets have no assurances of re-signing him. Maybe your argument makes sense if Reyes was locked up at a decent value for the next 5 years, but anyone who trades for him would be taking a huge risk in losing what they pay for in the rental and getting no long term Reyes deal in return. Wheeler is about as best as they can hope for barring any sign-and-trade long term deal for Jose already being in place.

Grab some pine, meat.
4 years 2 months ago

Wonder where my comment slamming this went? Sure hope I wasn’t silenced.

Ethanator99
4 years 2 months ago

I wish the Reds would get him. How much would it take?

rockfordone
4 years 2 months ago

Leake and Bailey

timmytwoshoezzz
4 years 2 months ago

and at that price, Reyes isn’t worth it

El_Bobo
4 years 2 months ago

For Leake, that’d be a “steal”

Slopeboy
4 years 2 months ago

Just think of all the shopping Leake could do in NY.

timmytwoshoezzz
4 years 2 months ago

Reyes isn’t that much of an upgrade over Janish to warrant the cost in prospects and pitchers it would take. Reds are better off shoring up the BP for alot less, and moving Alonso to LF in place of Gomes.

pdoubleu
4 years 2 months ago

In the spirit of full disclosure, I’m a Mets fan, so I’m probably a little biased…but you must be out of your mind if you think Janish and Reyes are in the same universe. Janish has been worth about 1 WAR (FG) per year over his admittedly short career, while Reyes is over 3.5 per year in 7+ injury plagued years. Oh, and Reyes is 8 months younger. I understand that you might not be excited about potentially paying a hefty price for a rental, but Reyes is a significant upgrade over Janish.

timmytwoshoezzz
4 years 2 months ago

until Reyes gets injured, which always happens. Janish is a 0.8 WAR player already this season with exceptional defense and doubles power. Janish doesn’t have big numbers in previous years because he wasn’t getting the AB’s behind Orlando Cabrera and company. Now that the Reds FO got their heads out of their collective butts and gave Janish the job, he’s taken the bull by the horns. Like I said “Reyes isn’t that much of an upgrade over Janish to warrant the cost in prospects and pitchers it would take.” It makes alot of sense when you read the whole sentence.

4 years 2 months ago

Janish over 1 month compared to Reyes over years…c’mon now. Janish TOPS OUT at 25 doubles. Reyes brings so much more to the table

4 years 2 months ago

really…it always happens? did it happen in 05? 06?07?08?

the REASON reyes missed so much time last season, actually had very little to do w/ injury…he had a minor oblique strain at one point, which is actually very common

however he missed the beg of the season due to a thyroid condition…not an injury

he has had one major injury, causing him to miss one season, over his entire career in the majors (though he had some nagging leg injuries in the minors)…you are making him sound like hes made of glass

the fact remains…there are only 2 ss in all of baseball that are more talented than reyes, and both are locked up to mega deals…their names are tulo and hanley….outside of that, no one is even in the same league as reyes as an impact player

can you make a case that its not worth it to have one of the best players at the position bc of cost? sure, i guess…but it doesnt change the fact that hes the 3rd best ss in baseball, and THE best ss that any team has a slim hope of actually bringing into their team

Drewbs
4 years 2 months ago

Whether it’s a thyroid condition or a legitimate injury, the guy ALWAYS seems to be on the shelf. I dont care what the situation is, if the player isnt on the field for ANY health reason then he’s an inherent risk. Couple that with the fact that he’s a RENTAL player who could very well not get re-signed and you must dramatically reduce his trade value. Mets fans need a heavy dose of reality of here… You’re not getting a ton of value for Reyes.

Sylvan
4 years 2 months ago

Maybe it “seems” to you like he’s always injured, but Reyes is 25th among all MLB players in plate appearances for 2005-11. Only in 2009 did he have less than 600. So apparently he’s found the time to play all those games somehow.

Also, whoever trades for Reyes will get draft picks if he walks at the end of the year, so you’re not JUST getting a couple months of play.

eDaPS
4 years 2 months ago

Leaving out his 09 season (in which he did have a serious injury) Reyes has averaged just over 153 games per year since 2005.

But by all means, don’t let silly things like facts cloud your judgment.

4 years 2 months ago

you’re insane if you think Janish and Reyes are even close to the same level. It’s like not even close AT ALL.

sportsfan07
4 years 2 months ago

I think that I speak for all A’s fans when I say this, Jose Reyes to the A’s will not happen because he is not a big enough upgrade over Pennington to justify giving up 3-5 really good prospects for half a year of Reyes. David Wright on the other hand is more than a big enough upgrade over Kouz to justify giving up 3-5 really good prospects in exchange for at least 2.5 years of Wright.

Lunchbox45
4 years 2 months ago

3-5 really good prospects for reyes…

but 3-5 really good prospects for 2.5 years of wright..

hmmmm

sportsfan07
4 years 2 months ago

What’s that supposed to mean?

Lunchbox45
4 years 2 months ago

it means for some reason you think the same grouping of prospects that it will take to get reyes will get Wright as well..

sportsfan07
4 years 2 months ago

I’m just saying in general it will take that amount of prospects. Of course Wright is going to command a better return. I never said that Reyes and Wright will command the same type of package.

Bluduke28
4 years 2 months ago

You kind of did, though.

sportsfan07
4 years 2 months ago

Quote me then. Where did I say that? I only specified numbers not package types.

4 years 2 months ago

you did by not differentiating the package of prospects it would take to get Wright/Reyes. “3-5 really good prospects for half a year of Reyes”….”3-5 really good prospects in exchange for at least 2.5 years of Wright”.

No biggie, people are just trying to clarify what you meant. Because you are only using numbers not types, you are only implying that the same numbers would get the same player

sportsfan07
4 years 2 months ago

That’s exactly what I’m saying but people are trying to imply that I said 2 A level prospects and 2-3 B/C level prospects or something. That would be wrong and I know that Wright is going to command a higher package which is why I don’t understand why lunchbox and bluduke are shoving my words down my throat for just specifying numbers of really good prospects that would have to change hands. And we all know that those would be the number of prospects that would have to be involved in a trade to get a player of Jose Reyes or David Wright’s caliber.

4 years 2 months ago

The mets aren’t going to get a huge package for a few month’s rental of a guy with a big injury history. You’ll get 1 good prospect and a few throw-ins. That’s it. You aren’t trading baseball cards here, you’re trading players with contracts. Skill level isn’t the only factor in a trade. You also have to consider contracts. Your getting possibly +5 years of team control of a top prospect over a couple months of having Reyes.

That’s 5 years vs a few months. You really think a few months of Reyes is worth more than that?

sportsfan07
4 years 2 months ago

OK you got me there but knowing the caliber that people put Jose Reyes in, I would not be surprised if it was still a pretty substantial package for a guy with an injury history especially since he is doing well this year and has been playing pretty well since the end of ’09.

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

The Mets will trade David Wright the same day the Rockies trade Tulo.

4 years 2 months ago

oh yeah like the mets want another solid lefty with a walk problem! I could live with the mets trading reyes for belt but i’d love for jose to stay. belt can play the corner outfield positions as well as first so he can play right if they trade beltran. could anyone see jose and beltran for belt and tejada?

JaySchu
4 years 2 months ago

Why would the Mets want the Giants Tejada when they already have their own Tejada?

sf55forlife
4 years 2 months ago

the giants won’t trade Belt for Reyes.

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

and the Mets won’t want him. Just like the Giants need Reyes the Mets don’t need Belt.

4 years 2 months ago

” I could live with the mets trading reyes for belt ”

lol. I bet you could

AcePPO
4 years 2 months ago

LOL. Let’s make something clear: Belt is a prospect. Reyes is an All-Star. ‘Nuff said.

4 years 2 months ago

a really good young arm or a few solid good young arms

Blue387
4 years 2 months ago

As a Metropolitans fan, I’m more concerned as to who would replace Reyes at short for the long term if he goes. I would love to keep Reyes as he is a switch hitting lead off man with excellent speed. I can’t see how Ching-Lung Hu or Ruben Tejada filling his shoes easily. Furthermore, I’m not sure if the Giants can afford Reyes’ potentially large salary given the boatload of cash the team will have to spend on Lincecum in the near future. And if I were the Mets GM, I’d try to trade him to an American League team in the hopes Reyes is never used against the Mets.

Phillies fans love Jose Reyes.

JaySchu
4 years 2 months ago

This is the correct answer. Talent at shortstop doesn’t grown on trees, which is why everyone covets Reyes so much in the first place. He’s not old, and the Mets can certainly contend before he becomes old. The best scenario is Wright and Reyes being Mets for their entire careers and a proper team being built around them. Trading them away for prospects is retarded. Why trade one in a million talent for the unknown? No sane person would make that choice.

Redbirds16
4 years 2 months ago

Depending on the outlook, perhaps this is correct. My perception, however, is that the Mets don’t have the necessary pieces coming up through the farm system to contend before Reyes’ speed declines (my guess is 3 years before he moves to 2B and is hitting infront of the pitcher). I know there’s a lot of money coming off the books with Beltran and KRod going, but there are too many holes to fill without help from the minors. Add in that the ownership situation is not exactly stable (although it’s not as precarious as the Dodgers, certainly), the team may want to reload with talent.

If I’m the Mets, I listen to offers for every player, no exceptions, and accept offers only if I get multiple overpays. If you’re going to blow up a team and rebuild, do it right. Wright, Bay, Reyes, Beltran, and KRod should be able to land at least 3 blue chip prospects and 3 solid prospects (plus some fringe guys) to add to the small core that the Mets have in the minors/active roster. Combined with their (likely) high draft picks in the coming years and money coming off the books (i.e. money to sign big FA), the Mets could shoot to be relevant by 2014 and have a ballclub that (if rebuilt correctly and with proper scouting of the talent they’d be receiving in the trades) could contend the division if not the league for a decade. Timed properly with the aging roster of the Phillies, the Mets would certainly be wise to consider their options.

quikag182
4 years 2 months ago

I’ll be forthright and admit I’m a Mets fan, but I think that a lot of the criticism of the Mets and their farm is unwarranted. The Mets are not a team that’s going to compete for a playoff spot right now, but they’re not as bad as their record either. The holes that are on that team are pitching – both starting and relief. The starting problem is more the factor of guys failing to play up to expectations or being hurt rather than being bad. The bullpen is a joke, I’ll give you that. Lineup-wise, Angel Pagan is hurt and having a bad year but was arguably the MVP last year. 2nd Base is a “hole” but Murphy is holding his own. Thole and Ike are young yet still passable major leaguers. The rest is guys who are the same ones we’re talking about – Beltran, Wright, Reyes – not producing in key spots. There are plenty of prospects – unfortunately Mejia’s about to get TJ surgery, but that could happen to any of these guys if the Mets make a trade.

Long story short, they need to keep Reyes and Wright, trade KRod and Beltran for whatever they can get, draft well, pay over slot, make some good FA decisions. This is a team that will get better over the course of this year, and the next couple of years as well, and will get some financial stability with new owners’ money coming in. There’s no need to blow it up so drastically at this point.

mikefichera
4 years 2 months ago

For Reyes to have that offensive and defensive ability at shortstop it is a luxury that many teams do not enjoy, just peruse the list of players playing shortstop in the major leagues and tell me how having Reyes isn’t have a deceisive advantage over most of your opponents.

Metsfan89
4 years 2 months ago

If Reyes leaves the Mets, Citi Field will be empty

MB923
4 years 2 months ago

“If Wright leaves the Mets, Citi Field will be more empty”

Fixed it.

JaySchu
4 years 2 months ago

I don’t hear people chanting “Da-vid, Da-vid, Daviddavid… Daaaav-id… Daaaavid”

MB923
4 years 2 months ago

Yeah too bad David David David David and Olé Olé Olé Olé sound nothing alike.

JaySchu
4 years 2 months ago

Popularity is subjective. You like David Wright more. That’s fine. I don’t want to get rid of either of them but I recognize that Reyes would be the more difficult player to replace because his position is harder to fill with positive offense.

4 years 2 months ago

Harder yes, but not that much harder. theres still only a handful of really good third basemen. yeah theres only 3 good shortstops now but theres only like 5 or 6 really good third basemen. Longoria, Zimmerman, and Wright are the 3 without a doubt third basemen. You have Youk who’s position is third now but wasn’t always we’ll see what happens there. A-Rod is gonna be a DH soon, Beltre is not really that good offensively except in a walk year, Aramis Ramirez sucks now, Sandoval can’t get slim, Alvarez may get good one day. All in all the situations are similar it’s amazing that the Mets had 3rd and Short filled by stars for so long. It’s spoiled Mets fans e

HobokenMetsFan
4 years 2 months ago

Spoiled Mets fans? Are you serious? You can’t be….Yes we have been spoiled by 1 post season appearance in the past decade. We have been spoiled by a collapse in ’07 and then a bullpen that blew 40+ saves in ’08. We have been spoiled by finishing below .500 the past two years. We have been spoiled by having our cross town rivals do everything that they do, and now the team 90 minutes down the turnpike kicking the crap out of us the past 4 years.

Spoiled we certainly are.

I don’t want David or Jose traded…..ever…..but to say we are spoiled is certainly not correct, sir.

4 years 2 months ago

No i meant we’ve been spoiled by not having to deal with the lack of star SS and 3B players out there. We’ve sucked I know especially in pitching. Most teams do not have the LUXURY that is jose reyes and david wright. They make up for the lack of star power there with star starters, star first basemen, star right fielders, star left fielders, stars in positions more easily filled. We had our shot when we had our star center fielder, SS, and thirdbaseman. Where we didn’t have a star left fielder, right fielder, second baseman, catcher, or legitimate undisputed ace. That was 2006. After that we got sad 2007s and 2008s with the same line up almost. And when our 2009 and 2010s had injured star centerfielder and SS we finished below 500. I’m just saying we can get that production in other positions. Face it even with Reyes we’re not a great team cause we’ve got holes in starting pitching, second base, right field, left field, center field, catcher, relief pitching. We’re not one reyes away from a championship.

HobokenMetsFan
4 years 2 months ago

Ahh touche, my apologies.

I agree that just keeping Reyes won’t make us contenders, but we will certainly be contending while he is still young (only 27 now). But don’t forget all the money that’s coming off the books this year, the young guys moving through the system, and Sandy’s better approach at stock piling depth than Omar.

I think this situation fits the Mets perfectly since they are a big market team. We are not one piece away from contention, but with the right combination of moves I see positive growth and trends for the 2013 season which includes keeping Reyes.

4 years 2 months ago

How has Posey underperformed in the early going?

4 years 2 months ago

All projection systems had him higher than .266/.340/.415, not that that is bad for a catcher.

dodgers33dodgers
4 years 2 months ago

the fact that he is batting .266 batting third for them…every giants fan i kno was talking mvp at the beginning of the year…he was just over hyped in his sophomore year thats why he is so called underperforming.

Reaper87
4 years 2 months ago

So does that mean Pujols and Hanley were overhyped too because of their slow starts? I didn’t know rough aprils meant you got praise you didn’t deserve. Teixeria might have something to say about that from his usual season breakdown

Redbirds16
4 years 2 months ago

“So does that mean Pujols and Hanley were overhyped too because of their slow starts?”

Quite possibly, yes. But likely, no. You’re comparing a 2nd year player to two, well established superstars, so it’s not quite the same. Posey is a star, but he’s not one of the best 5 players in the league…

Reaper87
4 years 2 months ago

I was thinking about his comparisons more to other catchers as opposed to the league as a whole. Obviously he isn’t as good as Pujols or Hanley yet, but I still think he can easily bounce back and be the best catcher in the NL come September, although McCann might have something to say about that. I was more chastising his post as an “I told you so” about Posey

dodgers33dodgers
4 years 2 months ago

i didnt mean my post as an i told you so…i explained why it is stated as underperformance…posey is a good player…he just isnt at the point yet to where is hype is…dosent mean he wont have a good season or career.

Reaper87
4 years 2 months ago

I took “so called underperforming” to mean you thought last year was a fluke and so far this year was what his true talent level was. No one in their right mind could have expected an MVP year from Posey this season, but I guess plenty of fans aren’t reasonable at times. I guess I read your post with the wrong tone

Lunchbox45
4 years 2 months ago

Wait wait wait , you mean Cody Ross and his career .321 OBP is not the second coming? Despite being hot for all of 3 weeks last year?

I will never understand logic!

j6takish
4 years 2 months ago

I’m not trying to be a hater on the Giants but I agree. The amount of ridiculous luck they got last year was amazing. Aubrey Huff put up a 6 War season for the first time in his career, after putting up negative WAR the year before. Andres Torres had a monster year come out of seemingly nowhere. Is he a late bloomer? Maybe, but more likely it was a fluke. Cody Ross NLCS MVP? This team had a LOT of stuff go right last year and to expect everything to fall back into place a second time, they are betting on the wrong horse

23333339v2
4 years 2 months ago

I’m a huge Giant fan and I have to agree….last year was a perfect storm. Not only because of Ross, Huff and Torres playing like they probably will never play again – but Bochy (who is a decent manager) guessed right almost every time in the playoffs. It was uncanny – but that’s probably what you need to go all the way (that and no major injuries – and a rookie like Bumgardner who played way over his head in the playoffs – another uncanny decision by management).

It takes luck, and the Giants had it. That’s why it is so hard to repeat.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
4 years 2 months ago

In the end, this game is a lot about luck, good and bad. In any given year, you either get breaks or you don’t. The Giants got them big-time last season. I’m not begrudging them that by any means. Nobody goes all the way without them.

alexchicago14
4 years 2 months ago

now will you please explain that to white sox fans!?!

sf55forlife
4 years 2 months ago

For every lucky thing that happened to the Giants last year, there is an unlucky thing that occurred as well. The opening day outfield of DeRosa, Rowand, and Bowker was a complete failure. Sandoval was bad. Molina sucked. Lincecum had the worst month of his career. Todd Wellemeyer was awful. Renteria was hurt for a good portion of the year, same with Freddy Sanchez. Jose Guillen was a failed experiment.

The moves the Giants made worked out, they created their own luck. They made smart, low risk, high reward signings and trades. Santiago Casilla, Andres Torres, Ramon Ramirez, Javier Lopez, Pat Burrell, Cody Ross, even Chris Ray and Guillermo Mota were somewhat effective.

Did the Giants get lucky? Probably, but world class pitching can do that.

4 years 2 months ago

let’s not call it “LUCK”. The Giant’s got amazingly hot down the stretch, similar to the 2006 Cardinals, 2003 Marlins, etc etc.

It’s a game of averages, and they slumped awful/horribly in August, which means they were bound to be very hot in September+. A career .275 hitter who goes .175 in April means he will probably hit around .375 in May — that isn’t “luck” in May, it’s averages everybody

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
4 years 2 months ago

So, you get to plan when you’re hot and when you’re not? Why don’t other teams think of that…

4 years 2 months ago

Zack Wheeler and a few lesser players like perhaps Schierholtz might make sense. The Rays could possibly also make sense for a rental as well. They love draft picks and Reyes is likely to get them two.

Gumby65
4 years 2 months ago

This can be easily re-titled as “One Third of MLB and Jose Reyes”.

Bye Bye Baby Bonanza
4 years 2 months ago

I like Reyes but wouldn’t trade Wheeler or Belt for a few months of him on the team. It’s not like the Giants NEED to win it all this season. Having just won the WS. Season tickets are sold out and single game tickets are heavily sold too.

Giants are 2nd out of 16 NL teams in attendance and they’ve played only 9 home games. While having played 19 away games, most of any team.

Lunchbox45
4 years 2 months ago

huh???

why do you care so much about attendance? shouldn’t you, as a fan, be more concerned with winning?

Bye Bye Baby Bonanza
4 years 2 months ago

DUH! Of course I want my team to win. And it’s hard to watch their offense right now.

I’m pointing out that there is less motivation for Sabean and the Giants front office to go all in this season having a WS ring and sold out home games.

Lunchbox45
4 years 2 months ago

says who?

Reaper87
4 years 2 months ago

The fact that both our GM and manager were getting booed and ridiculed non stop and their jobs were on the line as recently as 2009, combined with now that winning they have 100% job security means the pressure is off big time. This isn’t a sacrifice the future to win now season

not_brooks
4 years 2 months ago

If your front office is less motivated to win because they won last year, then you should be hoping for a new font office.

sf55forlife
4 years 2 months ago

that isn’t what they are saying. they are saying that because they have won the world series now there isn’t as much pressure on the front office to make risky moves because their jobs are no longer on the line.

YouthofToday
4 years 2 months ago

The Giants may need to make a deal sooner rather than later for Reyes. The Dodgers and Rockies are legit.

SF’s whole team outperformed offensively last year and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ross and Burrell play their way into being DFA’ed by the end of June. Huff is going to disappoint this year and Kung-Fu’s power will probably be out this year thanks the wrist injury (usually takes 12-18 months after a break there for power to fully return).

4 years 2 months ago

Actually, Sandoval, Timmy and Rowand underperformed.

Reaper87
4 years 2 months ago

The dodgers are only legit as long as Ethier and Kemp bat upwards of .370 and carry that team like no other. If they even start to go back close to their career norms, the dodgers start falling like a rock

55saveslives
4 years 2 months ago

I wouldn’t give up any major prospects for a rental player. If Reyes was willing to sign an extension, I’d give up Wheeler. But rather do a Culberson + package.

AcePPO
4 years 2 months ago

I’ll bet you’d rather not give up your actual good prospects for a great ballplayer. Unfortunately, Reyes will cost you actual good prospects.

Thurman8er
4 years 2 months ago

I think it’s a horrible idea to call up Belt. But that’s only because I live in Fresno and won’t be able to drive down the street to watch him play anymore.