New York Notes: Chavez, Reyes, Burnett

Hurricane Irene washed out Saturday's contests for both New York clubs, and today's Braves/Mets game has been postponed as well. Weather permitting though, the Yankees and Orioles will play two, with Bartolo Colon and Ivan Nova looking to help the Yanks make up ground on the Red Sox in the AL East. Before they get underway, let's check out the latest from Queens and the Bronx….


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39 Comments on "New York Notes: Chavez, Reyes, Burnett"


Brad426
3 years 11 months ago

Eric Chavez: “I’m not sure if I created it in my own mind, but I always felt like I
had to justify those expectations. When I didn’t, it was rough.”

There will be no mistaking when you aren’t meeting expectations in NY, Eric. And it will be rougher if you don’t.

hardcoreforhardcore
3 years 11 months ago

The difference is, there really weren’t any expectations for him coming into NY. He’s been a pleasant surprise and aside from the time spent on the dl(which was expected) I can’t think of anything bad to say about his time in NY thus far.

Brad426
3 years 11 months ago

There are always expectations, even if they are lessened because I guy is going to be a back-up player. And as far as “I can’t think of anything bad to say about his time in NY thus far” I say kudos to you, and also that you are not the typical fan.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

I think you miss the point completely. Yanks aren’t asking him to be the Chavez of 7 years ago. They need him to be a sub fill in and contribute off the bench. If he went to Oakland then he will be looked at as a shell of his former self. When you’re on a team where every single starter has an all-star appearance to his credit then you’re not being asked to carry the weight of the whole team and instead just be a contributor.

Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

Incorrect, I did not miss point. Maybe you missed mine, though.

Pete
3 years 11 months ago

That article about Chavez is so poorly written. I wish FJM was still around to call out bad writing.

melonis_rex
3 years 10 months ago

This. Seriously, FJM is missed. “Chavez not expected to do things anyone with competent brain cells knows he can’t do.”

Also- Chavez wasn’t counted on to contribute in any capacity in Oakland his last year of the contract. Sure, he got an Opening Day job that year (when a player is your highest paid and longest tenured player, you do that), but the A’s had Jack Cust in AAA and Kouzmanoff manning 3B.

Brad426
3 years 11 months ago

The poll about who was the worst Yankees pick-up is funny… like there’s any way Carl Pavano doesn’t run away with that (whether it’s true or not). That bad blood runs deep.

CitizenSnips
3 years 11 months ago

Seriously. With Burnett they’re at least getting pitching, although inconsistent usually more on the bad side. With Pavano they basically paid for no pitching.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 10 months ago

With Burnett they’re at least getting pitching, although inconsistent usually more on the bad side.

With Burnett they’re at least getting pitching, although consistently on the bad side.

Fixed that for you.

melonis_rex
3 years 10 months ago

Well, insurance probably paid for part of Pavano’s contract, while insurance doesn’t help with pitchers  who are healthy, but are just not pitching well, e.g. Burnett.

fxx3605
3 years 10 months ago

kei igawa? have we forgotton?

Infield Fly
3 years 11 months ago

When the Mets negotiate with Jose Reyes this offseason, playing time, days off, and medical history will be a part of the conversation…

Now that is truly enlightening. No baseball fan would ever have guessed it, Mr. Martin.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 11 months ago

so glad burnett chose NYY.  i am thankful every day he blows up.

Isaac
3 years 11 months ago

Red sox fan huh?

baseballdude
3 years 10 months ago

tommy hanson is an atlanta braves pitcher .

Isaac
3 years 10 months ago

I can tell but I like Troy Tulowitzki but I don’t like the Rockies so he could like the red sox ad plus why would he comment that if he liked the braves and the braves don’t have anything to do with the Yankees

Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

Yeah, I like the Red Sox ad. That “We Won’t Rest” thing was marketing gold, I tells ya.

And Burnett was allegedly almost a Brave when the Yanks swooped in and “stole” him, so tommyhanson fan is grateful, what with the benefit of hindsight.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

The Braves offered the most competitive offer other than the Yanks. $500k extra per year, 1 additional year and the ability to hide behind CC’s shadow were the reasons he came to NY.

Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

Yep, I remember it well. I was explaining to Isaac how the Braves and the Yankees did have something to do with each other in this instance.

John
3 years 10 months ago

He’s a Tommy Hanson fan.

Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

tommyhansonfan… Braves. Burnett looked like he was going to sign with the Braves and then at the last minute picked the Yanks. I’m not sure he’s been much worse than D-Lowe (with the AL East adjustment factored in), but at least Lowe was only 4 years and not 5.

Jj Byrnes
3 years 10 months ago

It’s funny to me how the media continues to write story after story on AJ Burnett’s struggles but yet they conveniently ignore John Lackey’s struggles ( same pay as Burnett, but is actually doing worse)

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

“same pay as Burnett, but is actually doing worse”

Burnett has put up 5.7 WAR in three years in NY (Peaking at 3.4 in 2009).Lackey has put up 5.0 WAR in two years in Boston (Peaking at 4.0 last season).

Lackey’s been nowhere near to living up to his contract, but Burnett has most certainly been worse.

paul_oneills_lovechild
3 years 10 months ago

“Burnett has put up 5.7 WAR in three years in NY (Peaking at 3.4 in
2009).Lackey has put up 5.0 WAR in two years in Boston (Peaking at 4.0
last season).”

Whatever you are smoking, please give me some.  In the real world, Burnett has put up a 2.2 WAR in 3 years as a Yank (peaking at 2.8 in ’09…he has had a negative WAR in ’10 & ’11).  Lackey has put up a 1.0 WAR (pitching + batting) in two years in Boston (peaking at a 1.9 WAR last season).

Therefore, Burnett has done slightly better, however, they both have been pretty horrible the last 2 seasons.  Remember, reading is fundamental; the stats are right there in front of your eyes, bro! And, even without looking at the stats…you really thought Lackey had pitched well enough for a 4 WAR last year??

Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

The stats that were right in front of his eyes were from FanGraphs.

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 10 months ago

I really have no idea how to calculate WAR and I really don’t want to look up how. But before you get all uppity and superior I’d suggest you mosey over to fangraphs. That’s where Obsessions is getting his numbers from. Wild guess is you’re getting them from baseball-reference.

No clue which one is correct and I really don’t care to getting into measuring contest where the topic is who sucks more.

paul_oneills_lovechild
3 years 10 months ago

I have to give you some props in using the words uppity & mosey in the same sentence. You are a wordsmith, my friend.  I did not want to get into a contest of who sucks more either…but if I did…it would have to be you…or at least that’s what I heard! 

And, before you have a conniption…I was just joking, Spunky.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

As noted, before spouting off on a rant like that, you might want to consider the widely known fact that there are different versions of WAR available. I was operating off of Fangraphs.

That aside, where are you pulling your figures? B-R has him sitting at a 0.8 over two seasons, with last year being 1.8, not 1.9.

paul_oneills_lovechild
3 years 10 months ago

I was not ranting just being a little sarcastic…that’s my way.  Again, bro, reading is fundamental: “Lackey has put up a 1.0 WAR (pitching + batting) in two years in Boston (peaking at a 1.9 WAR last season).”

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

b-r WAR will also tell you cliff lee was a 4.3 WAR player last year and bronson arroyo was the most valuable NL pitcher in 2006

dismissed

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

And Fangraphs will tell you Zach Greinkie was the MVP in the AL in 2009.

dismissed somewhat

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

Lackey has the benefit of having 1 less year to go by.

AJ’s 1st year = a 3.4 WAR (4.33 FIP) vs Lackey’s first year was a 4 WAR (3.85 FIP)

AJ’s 2nd year = a 1.4 WAR (4.83 FIP) vs Lackey’s second year was a 1 WAR (so far) and a 4.70 FIP.

AJ’s 3rd year (2011) is 1 WAR (so far) and 4.80 FIP. Lackey’s 3rd year (2012) TBD

To say Burnett has been worse w/o taking into consideration the years into each contract and how Lackey is trending is sort of pointless. I’m not saying he will be as bad but there’s nothing to convince me that he will be any better either.

Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

Somebody didn’t actually read the article…

Brad426
3 years 10 months ago

^ From the article about Burnett: “The Red Sox have issues of their own, you bet. John Lackey,
who has come on lately, just got his own earned run average under SIX runs a game in Boston.”

Fangaffes
3 years 10 months ago

Are the Yankees waving the white flag?  They’re pitching Hughes, Burnett, and Colon against the Red Sox this week.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Well 2 of the Red Sox pitchers are Lackey and Miller, not a whole lot better. Although Beckett is the 3rd and he’s been lights out this year against the Yankees.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

As opposed to…..???? They are just sticking to the rotation. No need in having CC, Nova or Garcia pitch on fewer days rest. 

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

They should totally do it if they’re going to go after the division crown! Because home field is totally going to matter to a pair of teams who have a combined 79-51 road record this season.

(Seriously, I agree, this is no flag waving, it’d be stupid to start their guys on short rest with a playoff spot all but guaranteed)