Indians Acquire Derek Lowe

We have our first trade of the 2011-12 offseason!  The Indians acquired Derek Lowe from the Braves, tweets John Kreger.  The Braves will pay all but $5MM of Lowe's $15MM salary, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.  Olney says the Braves will receive 23-year-old High-A lefty reliever Chris Jones in return for Lowe.  Baseball Prospectus' Kevin Goldstein provides a quick scouting report.


Lowe, 38, posted a 5.05 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 3.4 BB/9, 0.67 HR/9, and 59% groundball rate in 187 innings this year for Atlanta.  Lowe's Braves career ended on a sour note, as his 8.75 September ERA contributed to their collapse.  Still, his groundball rate ranked second in all of baseball.  Lowe signed a four-year, $60MM deal with the Braves in January of 2009.  

With Lowe, Justin Masterson, and Fausto Carmona, the Indians' rotation now has three of MLB's top seven in 2011 groundball rate.  Ubaldo Jimenez and Josh Tomlin are also penciled in, with Carlos Carrasco down for Tommy John surgery.

For the Braves, the benefit is $5MM in much-needed salary relief for a pitcher otherwise projected for middle relief on their 2012 club.  The Braves and Indians last matched up on a trade in July of 2006, when the Tribe sent reliever Bob Wickman to Atlanta for Max Ramirez.

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  1. Let the Offseason Begin!

    • Jakmagic 4 years ago

      The Indians rotation looks better than alot of teams. I dont know if I would be jumping for joy over D. Lowe! I guess if they didnt really give up anything and are getting him at a discounted price, then whatever. Lowe was a clog in the Braves rotation with Delgado Teheran, and Minor waiting to make an impact at the MLB level. Indians really need to look for some quality names to provide some offense.

  2. TartanElk 4 years ago

    I hope he doesn’t run into any trouble driving to Cleveland…

    In all seriousness, however, this is quite surprising.

    • chico65 4 years ago

      No kidding.  I knew Lowe’s stock had dropped, but a single A ball reliever in return- with the Braves also kicking in 10 mil?  Astonishing. 

      • jwsox 4 years ago

        Agreed. It’s hard to believe there was not a better deal out there.

      • rundmc1981 4 years ago

        Astonishing? ATL GM Wren publicly said Lowe would NOT make the 2012 Opening Day rotation. This is a $15M pitcher. We have guys making the league min that pitch twice as good as him (Delgado, Teheran, Minor, etc.). Considering we couldn’t unload Kawakami’s $8M (from 2010) after he was given the franchise Scarlet Letter and demoted to Double-A, I’m surprised we were able to get a decent prospect and not have to fork over the remaining $5M. I’m happy. Take him.

    • Lastings 4 years ago

      The Indians seem to have an affection with DUI guys. Choo, Kearns, now Lowe. Now they need Nick Nolte in the front office.

  3. bigpat 4 years ago

    Huh??? Talk about coming out of left field, this is crazy!!! First trade of the offseason, I love it, didn’t even know teams were allowed to trade yet. 

    •  They were never NOT allowed to make trades.

    • start_wearing_purple
      start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      Teams are allowed to trade whenever. Remember last year the Jays traded for Miguel Olivo right before they needed to decide on his option. They elected pay the buyout and get a draft pick.

      • I think this is false.  I believe they can’t begin trading until the day after the world series.  I mean, they can trade up until that point, but it would have to be a waiver-trade, right?

        • start_wearing_purple
          start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

          Why? Waiver trades simply allow players to be eligible for the postseason roster. A straight up trade can be done any time but if it’s done while your team is in the hunt between August 1st and the end of the season then that player isn’t postseason eligible.

          • So why didn’t the Red Sox trade (for example) $2 million to the O’s for the rights to Jeremy Guthrie for September?  At the end of September they would trade him back to the O’s and they would make the playoffs by having another SP to throw out there.

            What’s stopping teams from doing that?

          • start_wearing_purple
            start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

            The fact that the Orioles would have never made that trade since they’d have no way to get Guthrie back.

          • You can make a trade with a clause that the player gets traded back on a specified date.  It’s a legal transaction like any other and clauses can be added.

          • start_wearing_purple
            start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

            The comissioner’s office would never approve.

          • I suppose that’s true.  My point is it would make more sense if no trades were allowed between the waiver deadline and the end of the world series, right?

          •  Why put in a rule that they can’t happen when they so rarely happen anyway?

          • LOL! When was the last time you saw something like that happen? What if Guthrie had gotten hurt?

          • I mean that’s pretty much my argument.  There are limitations on when and how trades are done.  I think no trades can occur after the waiver deadline because there’s no way of stopping teams from doing ridiculous things like what I proposed.  No?

          • Yeah, THAT’S the reason.  Wait, no it’s not. Trades CAN occur after the waiver deadline, and actually have in the past, though they are few and far between.

        • ubercubsfan 4 years ago

          Teams can trade whenever.  The waiver-trade deadline is the last time a player can be traded and still be eligible for the playoffs.  If a player is traded after they can still play for the team, just not for a playoff roster spot. 

          • Cory Taylor 4 years ago

            Moves can be made at any time. The commish just doesnt want moves announced during the WS so the WS can be the entire focus

  4. carlos 4 years ago

    innings eater at best now. speaking of eating , how much did atlanta eat of his contract?

  5. Braves_Fan 4 years ago

    Receiving $1 of salary relief would be a win here for Wren. 

    • Not to mention opening a roster spot. In fact, as bad as Lowe was, it might have been in Wren’s interest to PAY someone $1 to take him.

    • Its really a win for everyone – the Indians get an ok pitcher in a pretty rough rotation, Braves free up some salary and avoid another KK problem with Lowe possibly missing the MLB roster, and Lowe gets to perform under the expectations of a 5mil pitcher instead of a 15mil guy (while still getting paid 15 mil).  Every body happy.

  6. So it begins…

  7. tomymogo 4 years ago

    Awesome…….For the Braves, now it’s you’re problem Indians

    • chico65 4 years ago

      I don’t know…I think as long as Indians fans keep their expectations Lowe they won’t be disappointed.

  8. Vossome93 4 years ago

    Congrats Braves fans.

  9. They’re totally gonna win a World Series now!

  10. davidsonrva 4 years ago

    Wren FTW

  11. tomymogo 4 years ago

    If they took 5 million of Lowe’s 15 million salary it is a miracle

  12. Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

    Nice way to start the off season. Good move by Atlanta, freeing up a spot for one of their young guys and saving some money.

  13. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago


  14. Unexpected. Thought I figured Lowe might be traded this winter, just not so soon and not to Cleveland. 

    I still don’t see why they brought back Carmona though, especially now. I thought they had enough options to fill out the rotation without him, even with Carrasco down for the year.

    • LMTShawn 4 years ago

      They brought back Carmona because his $7M price tag is more than reasonable in this day and age. Also, if they declined his option, he still would have been under team control through arbitration, which he may have made more than the $7M.

      Also, you can never have enough pitching, and you are going to have to rely on Jeanmar Gomez (whom I like), David Huff (who is terrible) and Zach McAllister (have no idea what you can count on with him). This gives them a guy you know what you’ll get; 180 innings and an ERA between 4.5 & 5 at the back end of the rotation.

    • The_Porcupine 4 years ago

      There aren’t going to be any other decent arms available on the free agent market that are going to be much cheaper than Carmona.

  15. 0vercast 4 years ago

    He’ll offer some veteran insight to the young Indians rotation.  I think it was a good pickup.

    • Give it time.

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      I don’t think he’s the type of veteran you’d want as an influence.  You’re going to end up a ton of popped collars…

      Seriously though, good pickup for the Indians- since DLowe pitches better in cold weather, and Braves get $5mil to help pickup a better SS or a decent LF, which are their two biggest holes, assuming Heyward doesn’t regress next year.

  16. Philip Marlowe 4 years ago

    Good move for the Indians too, I think. Lowe is hardly a stud pitcher, but he’s a dependable innings eater who gets a lot of groundballs. If they resign Carmona, their rotation is going to look pretty sturdy.


    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      they exercised carmona’s option yesterday. he and tomlin are weak, but the first three are solid

      • Did you miss the second half of Lowe’s season?  The only time his sinker sank was while it was going over the outfield fence.

        • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

          braves fans are scarred, i get it. but lowe isn’t as bad as you feel. FIP by month


          his true talent level is the last two rough months? mmk

          • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

            Most Braves fans hate Lowe though he has been a pretty good pitcher the last 3 seasons.  They don’t want to hear anything about BABIP or FIP. 

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            True, Lowe didn’t get run support some of the time, but the man wasn’t a consummate professional and was by far our worst pitcher. For someone that typically gets it done at the end of the season, he didn’t in 2011. Better dealing him now and getting something for him than letting him pitch (terribly) in 2012 and letting him bolt for free agency (good luck) in 2013. We have enough young pitchers to not worry about an innings eater. We don’t have the same needs as we did in 2007. Thank God.

          • RiverKKiller999 4 years ago

            I don’t get it…Braves fans are jumping up for joy with the trade. I don’t care what the FIP numbers say, he was still terrible. I don’t have to look at the numbers in order to define how good or bad he was. I watched him all season bro. 38 years old and isn’t going to get any better. He is just trash.

          • diehardmets 4 years ago

            So you’re just arbitrarily going to decide he was bad? That totally makes sense.

            It’s not like he’s an ace, and he’s certainly not worth his contract, but he’s a decent back of the rotation starter.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            For $5 mil and a nothing prospect I would’ve taken a chance on him if I were most other teams incl the Yanks.

          • DK8 4 years ago

            That’s the head scratching part–for a 1 year 5 million dollar commitment, there should have been 10 teams interested, maybe more.  Lowe isn’t all that good, but is he is durable, and FIP/xFIP suggests he was unlucky last year.  Although, the Indians IF defense may not help change that luck.

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            I know, bro. Do you people even watch the games?

      • Daniel Madden 4 years ago

        tomlins had problems in the past but overall he’s a solid pitcher

    • tomymogo 4 years ago

      Just wait till you see him pitch. He pitched 187 innings in 34 starts that’s on average of 5.2 IP per start, and now he is 40.

      He never get’s injured, I’ll give you that, but had an ERA in the 5’s and pitched in a pitcher friendly ballpark and league

      • $1529282 4 years ago

        I don’t know of many extreme groundballers would thrive with an infield that included Dan Uggla and Chipper Jones behind him. Lowe had a 3.70 FIP last year. His defense killed him.

        • tomymogo 4 years ago

          And Alex Gonzalez and Freddy Freeman? Chipper wasn’t bad, and Uggla was surprisingly better than his rep would indicate. 

          Tim Hudson another groundball pitcher was 16-10 with a 3.22 ERA. Trust me, I saw the difference, Lowe is just old, can’t last 6 innings, a lot of walks, you could have 4 gold glovers out there and his ERA would still be over 4

          • 2donaldo1 4 years ago

            Plus I think he led the league in sweat. Dude was always drenched and he’s not exactly a max-effort pitcher.

          • Jeff 4 years ago

            He had a skin cancer scare early in his career, so he never wears short sleeves.  That’s why.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            chipper had a bad year defensively (-5 DRS, -5 +/-, -12 range) and so did uggla (-9 DRS, -3 +/-, -10 range)

            gonzalez was solid (15 DRS, 13 +/-, -6 range), but freeman was average at best (0 DRS, 0 +/-) and well below average at worst (-13 range)

            you are just flat wrong about lowe’s season

          • tomymogo 4 years ago

            If those stats say Freeman is a bad defensive player, I simply don’t believe those stats

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            you and every other braves fan in love with the kid’s glove. but even if you watch every out of a season, range is very difficult to determine from casual observation

            he may have a bright future, but there isn’t a defensive metric (including b-r’s TZL) that rates his range above average in 2011

          • TheHotCorner 4 years ago

            I don’t think those stats say he is a “bad” defensive player but that he is “average”.  I think too many of my fellow Braves fans have fallen in love with the hype of what the “experts” say he will become.  I think he will become a solid player but give the kid time to grow.  How many kids his age are even in the majors.

          • inkstainedscribe 4 years ago

            I have no idea how to judge range factors, but it seemed to me that Freeman has great hands, excellent footwork around the bag, and very little range. He’ll prevent a lot of bad throws from becoming errors, but he’ll let a fair number of grounders that other 1B would reach become singles, too.

          • DK8 4 years ago

            The defensive stats are heavily dependent on range, which is not Freeman’s strength.  The reason the stats are heavily dependent on range is because it is really hard to quantify the effect of scoops/soft hands/etc.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            no, that is not why they emphasize range. they emphasize range because range is paramount (even at 1B). the softest hands in the world don’t matter at all if you can’t get to the ball

          • Except 1B where, for the most part, people are throwing the ball to you.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            they throw the ball to you in addition to you having to field balls. it doesn’t make range any less important; it just adds a dimension

          • DK8 4 years ago

            Using range to evaluate a 1B is not necessarily a good way to evaluate them, because it is the position that is least dependent on range. Besides, defensive stats over 1 season can be dramatically impacted by a few plays.

            Chipper and Uggla did not play good D, but you can’t just assume that their negative plays are uniformly distributed and that D. Lowe was on the mound for a proportional or greater number of those plays.  Therefore, you can’t just say that Lowe’s crappy season was due to bad D behind him without combining a scouting perspective.

            By the same token, it’s asinine to suggest that Lowe wouldn’t have been better with 4 great defenders behind him in the IF.

            It irritates me when people make definitive statements using stats where the truth is likely in shades of grey.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            in sum, each of the metrics accounts for plays made. soft hands and ‘scoop-ability’ are accounted for by these measures and need no special recognition

            a ball scooped for an out is not any more valuable than a ball caught in the chest. you are confusing a discussion about the value of a performance with a discussion about the the talent of a player. we’re only talking about the former here

            “you can’t just assume that their negative plays are uniformly distributed”

            no one did

            “you can’t just say that Lowe’s crappy season was due to bad D behind him”

            exclusively? no one did

            “By the same token, it’s asinine to suggest that Lowe wouldn’t have been better with 4 great defenders behind him in the IF.”

            to suggest it? no, you’d be insane not to suggest it

            it would be an overstatement to conclude it, definitely, based on the defensive metrics alone. but it is obviously probable that better infield defense leads to better results for a groundball pitcher over the course of a season. to challenge this idea would be eye-crossingly stupid

    • jphenix2002 4 years ago

      That rotation doesn’t scare anyone. If Jimenez AND Lowe bounce back they might be able to get by, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  17. alxn 4 years ago

    I would’ve been down for paying the Indians $5M to take Lowe. Addition by subtraction for sure.

    That being said, solid pick-up for the Indians if he can eat some innings as a #4/5.

  18. Mike 4 years ago

    Olney says Braves ate $10 mill. Sounds like a good deal to me.

  19. Mike 4 years ago

    Olney says Braves ate $10 mill. Sounds like a good deal to me.

  20. I take this as a sign the Tribe don’t think they will be in a position to win next year and just need a guy to go stand out there every 5th day next season. Disappointing seeing them throw in the towel so early, but not too much since I’m a Tigers fan.

    • start_wearing_purple
      start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      I don’t see it that way. If that was the case then they’d find any average AAA starter and pay him $300k instead of $5M. I’m guessing they see him as a potential reclamation project as a #5 pitcher who can also throw around 200 innings.

    • gradylittle 4 years ago

      I see this as a good move for the Tribe to be honest. They have a pretty good rotation, and for 5 mil they’re getting a guy who eats up innings, and a solid number 4-5 guy. If it doesn’t work out they only have to deal with the 5 mil for one season, and it let’s them move on and look at other options. I think this is a good move.

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      I don’t see it that way either. In a shallow pitching market, this is actually a decent deal. Considering they just picked up Carmona’s option for $7M and they’ll only be paying $5M of Lowe’s contract, knowing he’s a career innings eater, this provides them some depth, which is especially important with some young pitchers with more upside (Carrasco, Masterson) but not as much consistency. Great way to protect your young and still field a competitive team. They tailed off in the 2nd half in 2011 and if Lowe gets back close to his career form, he could be a decent pitcher pitching .650 ball with 12-14 wins and a 4.10 ERA. Not terrible for them considering Carmona couldn’t dream of that.

  21. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    So now all the Indians have to do is get an infield that can actually field

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      first ever .400 team BABIP-against

    • tomymogo 4 years ago

      really, that’s weird it seemed Asdubral Cabrera always made the top web gem.

      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

        web gems doesn’t exactly equate to good defense. Flash is nice and all, but he’s not a great defender.

        • Last time Cabrera had a positive dWAR was as a full-time second baseman. This past year, dWAR -0.7.

        • Jeff 4 years ago

          Uggla had a lot of web gems.  He gave max effort despite his crappy range.

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        yuniesky betancourt has plenty of web gems

  22. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    Nice move for the Indians.  Paying $5mil to fill out the rotation.  You’re not going to get anyone better than Lowe on the free agent market without committing a lot more than $5MM

    • DK8 4 years ago

      Yeah, for  a 1 year commitment, this is a very good deal for the Indians.  Wonder what the Braves intend to do with that money?

      • Jeff 4 years ago

        They got two major holes- SS (internal option is Pastornicky, which would be really risky though I think it would work), and LF (Prado doesn’t hit well enough to be a good LFer, even if he hit .300 he’d just be average)

  23. Nice picture choice Tim lol

  24. Rick Garcia 4 years ago

    Good to see teams not wasting any time now that the World Series is over.

  25. Guest 4 years ago

    You know, this actually isn’t that bad for the Indians. Pretty smart on their part to strike fast. For the Braves its a win because they open up $5mm more for spending. Pretty solid for both teams.

  26. Kyle Jennison 4 years ago

    Great move for the Braves to unload, but also a good one for Cleveland’s SP depth.  Derek Lowe at the back of the rotation will be a big improvement over whatever David Huff or Jeanmar Gomez would offer at this point.  Cleveland has a history of anchoring the back end of their rotation with serviceable veteran SPs (Scott Elarton, Kevin Millwood, Paul Byrd, etc.).

    Jimenez, Masterson, Tomlin, Lowe and Carmona.

    Looks a lot more functional than what they had coming into the year. 😛

  27. inkstainedscribe 4 years ago

    Frank does it again. Addition by subtraction.

  28. Kyle Jennison 4 years ago

    Because Brad Penny is such a monster at the back-end of the Detroit rotation, right? 😛

  29. drumzalicious 4 years ago

    Surprised there weren’t more teams interested at the 5mil price

  30. danwatson19 4 years ago

    Lowe had one of the biggest ERA/SIERRA differentials in the league last season, and he’s a good bounce-back candidate.  The Tribe could have a very nice rotation next year.  Now go get a real first baseman!

  31. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    The only things I’m going to miss about him are his hot wife and his bat. Anyone who got Choptalk magazine knows what his wife looks like and you have to admit the guy could hold his own at the plate. He was good for 5 or 6 doubles a year which ain’t half bad for a pitcher. I consider this a big win for the Bravos. 5MM in salary relief helps alot when you’re a middle-market team.

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      You don’t love the hitting stylings of Tommy Hanson?

  32. bennie2323 4 years ago

    Now what will the Braves do with the extra money!!!??

    • tomymogo 4 years ago

      sign Alex Gonzalez

      • TimotheusATL 4 years ago

        disqus needs a dislike button

        • tomymogo 4 years ago

          lol, unfortunately after Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins he is the best option.

          • DK8 4 years ago

            I think I’d rather have Tyler Pastornicky than Alex Gonzales.

    • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

      therapy, to get rid of all the bad memories.

  33. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    from one tribe to the other

  34. tomymogo 4 years ago

    No Kawakami, Mclouth, and no Lowe……Finally

  35. RiverKKiller999 4 years ago

    See ya!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. kast2L 4 years ago

    could we PLEASE use some of that money and take a chance on a one year deal for Sizemore to play LF!? 

  37. Honestly if the braves could have pulled off a salary dump I would have been happy.  I would have been more excited if the Indians just took the contract too.  Keep you minor league arm ill take salary relief.

  38. TimotheusATL 4 years ago

    so what’ll be higher in Cleveland? his babip or his bac?

  39. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    Solid trade for both teams.  Atlanta frees up some salary space to sign a hitter.  The Indians get an innings eating starting pitcher to mentor their young pitchers.  Several of the young pitchers on the Braves have mentioned that Lowe helped them a great deal in the past 3 years.

  40. Jonathunder 4 years ago

    Not sure we could get better for that money.  I’m okay with this deal, and, if he doesn’t work out, we can throw a guy like Gomez or Huff in there to take his place.  Low risk, medium to high reward.

    • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

      I gotta give it to you Indians fans, you sure are optimistic. I don’t ever see many of you in the discussion forums though, maybe you could teach proper posting etiquette to some of the trolling Blue Jays fans that show up in every post regardless of subject.

  41. fxx3605 4 years ago

    now that lowe is gone and the braves have so much ptching would it be unreasonable to trade a 4 star prospect somewhere for a hitter?

    • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

      Have the Braves traded any major prospects since Daniels raided their system? They were really gun-shy at the trading deadline (with good reason, those are some quality arms and starting pitching depth is really hard to come by).

      I just don’t see them making a move for anybody that’s out there as it stands, but I also didn’t think the Indians would trade for Derek Lowe. Maybe trade Delgado or somebody not named Teheran to the Marlins for Lo-mo? Trade one of the pitchers for one of the Royals offensive kids?

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      I’d rather see JJ or Hanson traded, preferably Hanson as I don’t think he’s signable and I think he’s overrated.

  42. Chippers_Knees 4 years ago

    I’ll never question you ever again, Wren.

    • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

      I stopped questioning him when he mind-ninja’d the marlins into trading Uggla

  43. BK 4 years ago

    Can we see a Vernon Wells version of this? (Would be Dipoto’s best move).

  44. Guest 4 years ago

    As a Braves fan, I like it…
    I like him (especially in the playoffs) but a little salary relief and a freed up roster spot for our young pitchers is a win I think.
    He was really at a point last year where he just wasn’t helping the team by pitching.

  45. woadude 4 years ago

    Wow, all spring training the middle infielders are going to be busting their butts trying to keep up with all the ground balls.

  46. Joey Stanley 4 years ago

    Some great moves by the Braves already!  Hinkse is back, McLouth, Lowe and KK are gone!  With Kawakami coming off the books, we could afford to eat a chunk of Lowe’s contract and finally get rid of him AND bolster our crop of young pitching, which you can NEVER have enough of!  Great job so far, Mr. Wren!

  47. Now the Indians need an outfielder

  48. Guest 4 years ago

    Gotta think Lowe’s numbers would improve at least marginally with a more mobile infield.  Good trade for both teams.  As a Braves fan, I couldn’t be happier.  Watching Lowe pitch every 5th day always threw a wet blanket on my baseball love.  Now I’ll get to watch the next wave instead.

    Also, guys, I think it’s incredibly encouraging to see that the Braves are obviously very determined to make this a productive offseason.  They did not hesitate to get things moving.  I’m pumped.

  49. craigkimbrelfan 4 years ago

    That’s a nice move to unload him but unfortunately, this is the 3rd of Frank Wren’s ‘dead’ contracts.  Kawakami got 15 or so million and played a year, if that.  McClouth was useless.  And now Lowe.

    I know the Fredi Gonzalez hiring is going to be disastrous…it already is actually.

    It makes you wonder about him.

    • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

      It’s been lousy luck, not bad contract decisions.
      -Lowe has always been an innings-eating and ground ball inducing beast and after losing out on AJ Burnett we were desperate.
       -Did you see McLouth in Pittsburgh?
      -Kawakami was a stud in Japan
      None of them worked out :(

    • Guest 4 years ago

      I don’t think that’s entirely fair.  His trades have been pretty successful, except for McLouth, but it’s not like he traded away important pieces.  Plus, free agency is just not the most effective way to acquire players.  The Lowe and Kawakami signings were results of our rotation being completely decimated the year before.

      Fredi was a bad hire, though.  Totally agree there.

  50. eyedessert 4 years ago

    It predictably became disastrous the day Fredi’s sorry keister was fired from the Marlins.

    • Patrick Tuck 4 years ago

      Hey got fired for sitting Hamley when Hamley felt like “not giving a Shi*.” You rarley see a coach do that anymore and I praise him for it.

  51. inkstainedscribe 4 years ago

    Aside from the salary concerns, it’s a great deal for ATL. The three starters with the most IP were ground ball pitchers and the infield has the range of a sign post. If Hanson and JJ are healthy, then Minor is your 5th starter, and he’ll miss a lot more bats than Lowe.

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      Beachy’s a strikeout/flyball guy, as in Hanson

      JJ’s a flyball guy also.

      Hudson’s the groundball guy, and he can get strikeouts. 

      The Braves need to get a ton of slap hitters and the Rockies humidifier, and play dead ball style.

      • TimotheusATL 4 years ago

        you must not have ever lived in georgia if you think we’re in any need of a humidifier down here

  52. Seth 4 years ago

    Braves get rid of Lowe….there is a God!!! Nice guy, but its no secret his career is spiraling downward.

  53. Braves fans are overreacting, Lowe would find a spot in most MLB rotations even at 40. Still, he’s grown very inconsistent and was stunting growth of the Braves future aces.

    Still, I have no doubt Lowe could bounce back and win 16 games with a 3.50 if the Indians play good baseball.

    But the Braves…

    Music to my ears.

  54. Braves1976 4 years ago

    Lowe was the main reason the Braves missed the playoffs two of his three seasons. He was just terrible last season. When I heard of this trade my first thoughts were “FINALLY!” Thank God that washed up bum is gone.

    Now the Braves actually have a shot at least making the playoffs next season.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      To be fair, Lowe helped carry the team into the Postseason last year with his performance in September.

      • Braves1976 4 years ago

        To be fair, Lowe’s bad pitching pre-Sept. is why he needed a great Sept. to not be a total waste that year. He also was helped by playing bad teams (Pittsburgh, Florida, Washington) with weaker than usual line-ups (either due to resting players or injury).

        For example, Florida had a bad line-up the final week (no Hanley who owns Lowe, etc).

        • Guest 4 years ago

          Yea, I thought about that while I was typing all that out. More details than I care about right now.  The guy’s gone and the offseason’s barely started.  That’s all I care about.  I can’t freaking wait to watch our pitching next season.

  55. baybombers 4 years ago

    Bravo fans gotta be jumping with joy right now…

  56. A decent 5th starter who will be pounded in the AL

    Kudos to Atlanta for managing to save some money on him

  57. Hoop 4 years ago

    Jimenez is penciled in?

  58. Dan Gorgone 4 years ago

    Any Shang Tsung reference is a winner by me.

  59. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    you sure?

  60. Zach Saunders 4 years ago

    This was what I was going to post.

    Great trade by the Braves. A 5.05 ERA was worth 5 mill back in 2002. In 2011, a 5.05 ERA is worth a minor league contract. The Indians really should have been able to do better in this trade. 

    This year the MLB ERA was in the 3’s for the first time in over a decade. I understand that Lowe eats innings, but what would you rather have: 5 IP with 2 ER, or 7 IP with 5 ER?

  61. Bombastic_Dave 4 years ago

    Apart from actual baseball, of course!

  62. RiverKKiller999 4 years ago

    He looks drunk already. He’s gonna be hitting that liquor cabinet even harder in 2012.

  63. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago


  64. VivaJackMurphy 4 years ago

    Clearly Godwin’s Law (link to applies to this website, substituting the Red Sox for comparisons to Hitler.

  65. RiverKKiller999 4 years ago

    Tigers could have too. Ha.  It’s going to be drunk vs drunk this year. Derek Lowe vs Miguel Cabrera. Devastating match up.

  66. vtadave 4 years ago

    Sad thing is, their “homegrown” options aren’t better than Lowe.

  67.  Trades can be made during the World Series. Just can’t announce it until after. Still doesn’t change the fact that teams can still make trades whenever they want.

  68. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    why in the world would that get deleted. that’s messed up

  69. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    gotta go all the way back to july of 2011

  70. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    It wasn’t a flawless victory.

  71. chico65 4 years ago

    Along with a good number of Indians fans too, I’m betting

  72. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex, 
    Don’t waste your time arguing with what1233456, all I ever see him post is complaints about any move that any team ever makes.

  73. They’re not any worse than Lowe last year either, they deserve the shot and would have cost around $4.5 million less, which for a cash strapped team is pretty significant.

  74. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    i proclaim this Lackey’s Law

  75. I’d like a commenter that doesn’t used antiquated stats like ERA to evaluate pitchers.


  76. bjsguess 4 years ago

    If the Indians have a bunch of AAA pitchers who can post 2.5 WAR then they must have one heck of a farm system.

  77. Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

    That Bourn trade was considered a major steal by the Braves.

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