Cherington On Papelbon, Ortiz, Free Agents

Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington discussed a number of topics with reporters today, and WEEI.com's Rob Bradford has the details in these two posts.  The hot stove highlights…

  • The Red Sox didn't make a formal offer to Jonathan Papelbon, who reached a four-year, $50MM agreement with the Phillies today.  Cherington said he discussed "concepts" of a new contract with Papelbon's agents Sam and Seth Levinson, but didn't make an offer since Papelbon's asking price simply didn't fit into Boston's offseason plans.
  • Cherington said he wasn't given the option of matching the Phillies' offer by Papelbon's representatives, but he didn't think such a step was necessary.
  • Given the number of closing options on the market, Cherington didn't think his team would feel comfortable offering a four-year contract to a closer as the Phillies did with Papelbon.
  • The Red Sox have been talking to David Ortiz's representatives and Cherington said he wants to re-sign the veteran slugger.  "Because of what I feel, and I think he feels, is a little bit more of a defined market for that role it's been easier to engage sooner," Cherington said.  "It's probably less likely to be a situation where he gets into the market and there's something that he's pushed into a corner on. David knows we want him to be here. We want him to be back with the Red Sox. We want him in our lineup. We've had a lot of dialogue to see if there's a way to do that and I think that will continue."
  • Cherington feels that beyond the top free agent starters, there is "a lot of risk" in the pitching market this winter.  "There are options, but riskier and would require some sort of bounce back from injury or bad luck or performance to some degree," the Boston GM said.  "We're going to be exhaustive in looking at ways to build depth to the rotation an the bullpen. We do believe we have some internal options that will help us."


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42 Comments on "Cherington On Papelbon, Ortiz, Free Agents"


David McCutcheon
3 years 9 months ago

They didn’t want to pay Paps that amount because they have a brain. I feel like Philly should receive draft picks for being that stupid rather than surrendering their own, sort of like handicapping the system to meet their level of stupidity. “Good for yoooou! Here’s a cookie!”

Mariners4Ever
3 years 9 months ago

LOL!

vonhayesdays
3 years 9 months ago

How many picks did the sox get for signing carl crawford or bobby jenks ?

nm344
3 years 9 months ago

I got news for you.  Phillies a going to get an extra draft pick by signing Papelbon instead of Madson.

MmmRocks
3 years 9 months ago

No they aren’t. They wouldn’t have lost any draft picks for signing Madson.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 9 months ago

They lose their first round pick for signing Papelbon but they potentially get another team’s first round pick + a supplemental rounder.

nm344
3 years 9 months ago

They are gaining 2 by not signing Madson.

missyae
3 years 9 months ago

Looks like they dont have a defined plan yet

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

I disagree.

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

You can’t really have a defined plan with these kinds of things because situations are so fluid, especially this early in the off-season.

MmmRocks
3 years 9 months ago

That’s a good thing. GM’s that plan out their dream scenario and hold out for their favorite players for every position end up having to overpay or not having a backup pan.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

I do like that Cherington is approaching the offseason with caution. He seems to realize that the team only needs minor tweaks rather than an overhaul. I’m looking forward to what he will do.

jgordon
3 years 9 months ago

depth to the rotation an the bullpen.your missing a D there.

jmcbosox
3 years 9 months ago

youre missing an e there

dylanp5030
3 years 9 months ago

You’re missing an apostrophe.

jmcbosox
3 years 9 months ago

im also missing a period but i wasnt the one correcting the article.  it was irony, you know, the opposite of wrinkly.

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

Instead of overpaying Papelbon, they’ll proceed to overpay Ortiz.

wolf9309
3 years 9 months ago

possibly, but by a whole lot less.

MmmRocks
3 years 9 months ago

I’d rather pay $12 million for an everyday player who will hit 30 HR and dirve in 100 RBI than pay more for a pitcher who will pitch less than 70 innings.

3 years 9 months ago

First test for Cherington passed: don’t give a ridiculous contract to Papelbon. That $12.5 million can be used for someone who will give 200 innings, not 75.

dc21892
3 years 9 months ago

Completely agree. Paps will be greatly missed, but he saved Boston a boatload of money signing elsewhere.

MmmRocks
3 years 9 months ago

Couldn’t agree more.

3 years 9 months ago

Get Grady Sizemore and two bullpen arms after you get Big Papi. Then we’ll call it a done offseason.

Tim McCall
3 years 9 months ago

No rotation depth?

flickadave
3 years 9 months ago

Who are going to take Lackey’s and DiceK’s turns in the rotation? I think that we might need 2 or 3 starters too.

flickadave
3 years 9 months ago

Who are going to take Lackey’s and DiceK’s turns in the rotation? I think that we might need 2 or 3 starters too.

PWNdroia
3 years 9 months ago

Grady Sizemore won’t help our already lefty lineup.

Steve_in_MA
3 years 9 months ago

I want two compensation picks for Ortiz.  Offer him arbitration, Cheri, and let him walk.

We need at least two starters.  I suggest that Cheri get busy in figuring out how we are going to round out the rotation.

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 9 months ago

We’ve all been saying it for years: Papelbon will walk when he reaches free agency.

Paps has reiterated over and over again that he wants to set the market for closers…and I just thought there was no way Epstein (who knew Epstein would be gone by the time Paps free agency came around) would make that happen. Good job on Cherington’s part!

jbhoboken
3 years 9 months ago

Good Job put it with Ruth, Lyle, A-Rod,Damon,Beltre,Martinez and sign someone like Drew or Matsuzaka____If I had more time I could give you 25 more either way

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

I did read it. Paying Ortiz anything over 1/10 is ridiculous & I highly doubt that he’d take that deal seeing as he started out wanting a 3 year deal.

On top of that, this is the Red Sox. They overpay someone every off season.

dc21892
3 years 9 months ago

Ortiz can want a 3 year deal all he wants, but he’s not getting it from anyone.

flickadave
3 years 9 months ago

2/20 is ridiculous how? Papi puts up great numbers every single year. He is a totally proven commodity that thrives in the pressure cooker of Boston. Pay the man.

PWNdroia
3 years 9 months ago

With Theo Epstein they did.

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

could you be stretching the truth just a little with your “one of the best teams in the history of baseball”  ??????

Steve_in_MA
3 years 9 months ago

This is not intended to be cocky, because this plainly doesn’t matter at all.  We lost.  But its not too far of a stretch, as an assertion, if you take their mid-season run in isolation and extrapolate it into a full-season comparison.  Excluding the first 12 games in April and the 27 games in September, the Sox went 81-42 over the middle 123 games.  That’s a pace to go 107-55, which would put them in the top 4 or 5% of teams, all-time.  It is meaningless, but somewhat true.

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

I am sorry, but this is too funny.  If we don’t count this, and then we don’t count that, then they were one of the best teams in history.  How about the Mariners, they won 116 games.  Maybe they would be considered a “better team in history”.

You can’t extrapolate anything, when you are deciding on the best teams in baseball history. 

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

to be fair, you’re the only one talking about an unqualified claim of “best teams in baseball history”. the original claim was qualified by “during the middle of the season”, the part of the sentence you intentionally left out in your reply. the next one was qualified similarly

you absolutely have a point that being the best for 60 or even 120 games doesn’t make you one of the best overall, but why are you making it? they didn’t say otherwise

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

You are right, it is a moot point.  But when someone proclaims a team “one of the best in the history of baseball”, which is what the original poster stated, I just couldn’t let it go by.  It doesn’t matter whether it is in the middle of the season, or the end or the first two games.This does not  qualify a team as the “best in the history of baseball”.    If he had said, the Sox were the best during the SEASON, during that time period, so be it, he might have been right.  Too many people throw around the term “the best”.  If you remember, there were stories written before the season even started that the Sox were the “best team ever”.  Not true then, and not true now. 

But I will leave it.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

aaand you’re still right. sort of, at least. you’re still misquoting him by cutting out the words “during the middle of the season”, but no matter. the dude abides

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

the Red Sox were one of the best teams in the history of baseball during the middle of the season when they were playing well. Quote/unquote.

I would assume that if someone says they were one of the best teams in the history of baseball, which is what YOU said, that is what they mean.  Perhaps, you should not be so snarky and actually read what YOU wrote.

Steve_in_MA
3 years 9 months ago

Precisely.  Thank you.