Orioles Notes: Reynolds, Tillman, Chen, Johnson

Earlier this week we learned that the Orioles are close to a deal with Korean right-hander Chong Tae-Hyon and the pact should become official after he undergoes a physical.  Here's more on the O's..


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55 Comments on "Orioles Notes: Reynolds, Tillman, Chen, Johnson"


3 years 9 months ago

Ahhh Tillman, He had such promise what happened to him.

aa
3 years 9 months ago

Rick Kranitz

3 years 9 months ago

Agreed, Thumbs Up!

cacavolante
3 years 9 months ago

yeah, its kranitz’s fault that 88mph with no movement doesnt work against major league hitters.

mstrchef13
3 years 9 months ago

He can’t overpower ML hitters like he can those in AA. As a result, he throws too many pitches and can’t get past the 5th. I think he might be better off as a reliever.

Bleed_Orange
3 years 9 months ago

You know what I was thinking the same thing.  For short bursts he looks great. So why not put him in the pen and see what happens

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

He may end up there eventually, but he’s shown flashes that he can be a starter.  

The_Porcupine
3 years 9 months ago

I really like the idea of starting some of these rookie pitcher off in the pen.  I’ve long thought that it was a bad thing that most teams have moved past this old strategy.

3 years 9 months ago

That’s not really accurate.  He was never a power guy.  In reality, he has a nasty spike curve, and AA and AAA hitters don’t hit offspeed stuff nearly as well as ML guys.  They also recognize the offspeed stuff better so he doesnt get the swinging strikes he gets in the minors.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Nailed it.  I think his stuff wasn’t breaking as much in the majors either.  He really lost mechanics/confidence in what he was doing. 

3 years 9 months ago

Yeah I think what happened is this:

(Having been a pitcher through HS and throwing a K-curve or spike curve or whatever you wanna call it) I think that it requires more commitment than a traditional CB.  You only have 1 finger imparting spin on the ball so you need to really snap your wrist and pray it goes where you want it to.  When Tillman struggled locating his 4-seamer and didn’t get swinging strikes on his curve he started aiming it more to try to get called strikes.  This KILLS your spin and movement.

That’s why you’d see him get ahead in a count and throw a ridiculous curve, but then 2 pitches later throw a spinner.  That’s my 2 cents at least.

3 years 9 months ago

Ps – Nice new pic.  And you play minecraft?  We should be best friends.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Haha thanks, yea I finally figured out Disqus, although for some reason it took away like 300 likes when I signed up.

As for Minecraft, I played a decent amount over the Summer but have since cooled on it, especially given the grind of law school (which I am in).  I am pretty ADD, so if anything fun exists, I probably have done it (legal things lol).  

3 years 9 months ago

Disqus pulled my pic of Flacco in the snow from some other account when I signed up. Not sure how it worked but I went with it.

I’m hot and cold with minecraft, I just watched a documentary about Macchu Pichu and it got me hooked again.  I’m a huge gamer and sports nut so I’m with you on the ADD part.  Shoot me an e-mail: nevercloser07@yahoo.com.  I have a new website (which has been featured on here twice in the blog section) and would like to get your thoughts.  You could also become a writer if you’re interested.  I’m getting my MBA so it’s tough to post as much as I’d like.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Solid, I sent you an email.  Looking forward to seeing the site. 

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Nailed it.  I think his stuff wasn’t breaking as much in the majors either.  He really lost mechanics/confidence in what he was doing. 

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

I think he started trying to overthrow and just lost his concentration, confidence and rhythm.  His breaking pitches stopped breaking.  He has a ton of potential still, but he is going to need to rediscover the touch he had on his breaking pitches, but more importantly regain the confidence in them.  

Call me crazy, but I still believe in the guy.  

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

I think he started trying to overthrow and just lost his concentration, confidence and rhythm.  His breaking pitches stopped breaking.  He has a ton of potential still, but he is going to need to rediscover the touch he had on his breaking pitches, but more importantly regain the confidence in them.  

Call me crazy, but I still believe in the guy.  

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Reynolds traded to Cubs (3B) anyone?

Jonathan Sisk
3 years 9 months ago

NPB ( Nippon Professional Baseball )… not Japan League. 

3 years 9 months ago

The Orioles (and myself) might be willing but would anyone even want him. A 5+ ERA over 150 big league innings plus he forgot how to pitch at AAA too.

The_Porcupine
3 years 9 months ago

The dude is 23, you can’t just write him off like he’s a proven flop in the majors.  Shuttling him back and forth between the majors and triple A was bad for his development.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Plus bringing him up on a team with no run support and no bullpen is HORRIBLE for the confidence of a young pitcher.  Oh you pitched an 8 inning shutout but Mike Gonzalez/Kevin Gregg blew your win in the 9th? Thats ok, just do it again next time. 

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Plus bringing him up on a team with no run support and no bullpen is HORRIBLE for the confidence of a young pitcher.  Oh you pitched an 8 inning shutout but Mike Gonzalez/Kevin Gregg blew your win in the 9th? Thats ok, just do it again next time. 

mstrchef13
3 years 9 months ago

I look at JJs numbers from when he was a starter in the minors, and quite frankly I’m not overwhelmed. He was average at best at AA and AAA. He started to shine in the majors as a reliever. I know he’s got “starter stuff” (which I believe applies to anyone who can throw more than one pitch for a strike), but to me a dominating reliever is more valuable than a middling starter.

Of course, if we had five middling starters we wouldn’t need to entertain the idea of putting Johnson in the rotation. Unfortunately, we don’t even have that many. 

JohnnyHamer
3 years 9 months ago

I’m sure Tillman is in demand…
Besides our INF striking out a LOT, how is Chris Davis with the glove at 3rd?

JohnnyHamer
3 years 9 months ago

That was sarcasm.

mstrchef13
3 years 9 months ago

Davis can’t be any worse than Reynolds or Bell defensively.

3 years 9 months ago

Really, did you watch Chris Davis at Third Base during the last month of the season?
I like him at first base. Davis himself has even said he feels more comfortable at first base. This is a problem because Reynolds is currently penciled in at first.

mstrchef13
3 years 9 months ago

I didn’t say he was good. I said he wasn’t worse than Reynolds or Bell.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

This is going to sound like the dumbest thing I’ve ever said, but if you take away the errors Reynolds looked good at third.  It just seems like he has “senior moments” out there, but his fielding otherwise is pretty good.  

I know, sounds dumb, but too late I already said it. 

mstrchef13
3 years 9 months ago

From what I saw watching the games, most of Reynolds’ errors were throwing errors caused by rushing, either because he was trying to make a play he shouldn’t have made or because he was rushing throws he didn’t need to rush. His glove is very good, and that showed at 1B. His arm is pretty unreliable, at least last season. 

GasLampGuru
3 years 9 months ago

Tillman needs to go somewhere free of expectations and work with a pitching coach who is capable of rebuilding him from the ground up.  He’s going to need a lot of work, but he is still young enough and has the stuff to turn it around.  Pitching in a bigger park and getting away from the DH would probably benefit him, as well.

3 years 9 months ago

Reynolds may K a lot (understatement), but having him hitting 5th or 6th in a good lineup for roughly $7 million dollars doesn’t sound like that bad of an idea. He still is a major power threat and could force more cookies for the guys in front of him. That of course is if the O’s traded him to a better team.

The_Athlete
3 years 9 months ago

Tillman should have never been regarded highly.  He does the same thing now as he did in the minors, scouts should have seen that his success was due to minor leagues chasing bad pitches and not being able to hit the high fastball like MLB players can.  As soon as I saw him throw one pitch I knew he would never amount to anything in the majors.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Its really easy for you to get down on a guy whose only 23.  I am not saying he will every amount to anything, but a mid-5 era at age 22 doesn’t really prove anything. 

cacavolante
3 years 9 months ago

maybe not- but 88 with no movement and no command of the strike zone proves a lot.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

That he’s lost his way, not that he can’t recover.

cacavolante
3 years 9 months ago

maybe for you. ive seen enough.

cacavolante
3 years 9 months ago

maybe not- but 88 with no movement and no command of the strike zone proves a lot.

BK
3 years 9 months ago

Tillman for Macier Izturis and a low A ball prospect?

mstrchef13
3 years 9 months ago

Angels would never give up Izturis for Tillman, let alone throw in a prospect. 

3 years 9 months ago

How about Callaspo and a prospect for Reynolds?

3 years 9 months ago

No, I don’t want anymore Izzy’s on the Orioles. Us fans need a break!

3 years 9 months ago

I sure hope Chris Davis does better with the O’s than he did with us here in Texas. Maybe moving him to 3rd base might do something.

Patrick the Pragmatist
3 years 9 months ago

Now the Orioles there is a team that wastes money on power hitters and big names that don’t help them win.

Spend big on Darvish, then add some of those guys and they might finally compete again.

The Rays can win in that division.  The Yankees are getting old at many positions with players too expensive and/or entrenched to replace.  The Red Sox won’t collapse like this year every year,  but this is the second straight year they sat out the post-season.
And with the one game wild card playoff, three teams from the same division can get in.

3 years 9 months ago

Spend big on Darvish. In one word, NO!

3 years 9 months ago

Just under the average of Troy Glaus. That’s still quite a threat.

mstrchef13
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not sure I get the negativity towards Davis. His minor league numbers are sick. Much better than Yonder Alonso, the new golden boy of the hot stove league, even with accounting for differences in the leagues. 

3 years 9 months ago

Yeah I’m kind of with you on this one.  I would prefer to not trade anyone though (except maybe Guthrie)

The_Porcupine
3 years 9 months ago

Most of last year”s rotation had less than 1 year of experience in the majors.  We can’t label them flops yet.  But we can’t shuttle them back and forth between majors and minors like we did with Tillman.  Commit a half season to each in the rotation (either majors or minors) and then re-evaluate.  Or as someone else suggests, put 1 or 2 in the bullpen and see how they do.  Trade Guthrie if you get someone of value, but otherwise, leave the rotation alone and see.  Britton and Matusz have high upside, while Tillman (you can’t rule out someone who’s only 23 yet) and Arrietta have enough promise to fill out the rotation.

cacavolante
3 years 9 months ago

your opinions frighten me.

Rabbitov
3 years 9 months ago

Reynolds is a class act too.  I personally love having him on the team.  People who bash his defense do so rightfully, but it was like night and day with him. Some days you’d think he was a super-hero at third, his glove looked so good, and some days he would muff everything that was hit at him. 

3 years 9 months ago

Well, you live a life of fear then.
Also, a wise person once said… fake glasses and moustache fool no one.

cacavolante
3 years 9 months ago

and you enjoy your life of ignorance…