Sherman On Yankees’ Search For Pitching

A year ago, the Yankees showed their reluctance to bid on non-elite free agent pitchers with substantial asking prices. Unless the current market for pitching changes, GM Brian Cashman may be searching for back-of-the-rotation bargains again. 

“I’d like to do something, but I am not going to do something at the current costs,” Cashman said, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

C.J. Wilson’s agent requested a New York meeting and the Yankees said they’d get back to the free agent left-hander, according to Sherman, Despite the lack of enthusiasm from the team, Wilson tops the Yankees’ list of free agent starters in terms of talent.

The Yankees have “looked into” Matt Garza, but a Cubs official downplayed the likelihood of any deal involving the right-hander, according to Sherman. The Yankees particularly like Gio Gonzalez and the Athletics are open to anything, but GM Billy Beane is asking for an ace return for Gonzalez or Trevor Cahill.

The Yankees like John Danks and the White Sox like many Yankees prospects, particularly Austin Romine. However, Danks is a free agent after 2012 and the Yankees are reluctant to over-spend on a pitcher they’ll have for just one year.

If the Yankees don't make a major acquisition before Spring Training, they could pencil C.C. Sabathia, Ivan Nova, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes into four rotation spots. Free agent Freddy Garcia could return on a one-year deal and prospects Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances may contribute at some point in 2012.


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114 Comments on "Sherman On Yankees’ Search For Pitching"


EdinsonPickle
3 years 9 months ago

I like what Cash is doing here. He’s not making moves just for the sake of making moves.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 9 months ago

Here’s an outside the box thought – If the Yankees are looking for rotation depth, they could probably get Kyle Lohse from the Cardinals.  He had a decent year last year, and has 1 year/$10 million left on his contract – roughly market value based on his performance last year.  If the Yankees are willing to take on his salary, I’d bet on the Cardinals being satisfied with a low to mid level prospect in return.

Gjf29
3 years 9 months ago

Lohse would get rocked in the AL East, the Yankees do not make moves for average pitchers/players. Like the Phillies, they want the best. They are waiting to see what transpires with Darvish I am sure. I think CJ Wilson will not be paid as highly as people think. A guy like John Danks is as good as player IMO.

Redbirds16
3 years 9 months ago

Exactly. Lohse gives up too many loud outs in St. Louis that would end up out of the park in hitter-friendly Yankee stadium. 

Plus Lohse just won a ring with the Cards, why would he waive his no trade clause?

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

I dunno…. Why are boobs good?

3 years 9 months ago

Kyle Lohse had a 107 ERA+ and prior to that has largely been one of the worst pitchers in baseball since he debuted. He would get demolished, destroyed, steamrolled, killed in the AL East.

mondaymorninggm
3 years 9 months ago

how is kyle lohse a worse pitcher than even some of the yankees current starters?? he’s put up better numbers than burnett the past few seasons. you know, burnett?? your 18 million dollar number 2??the cards wont trade him for a mid level prospect. he’s our number 4. you can have westbrook…the cards pitching staff is much better than the yanks, why would we mess with it??

Yankees420
3 years 9 months ago

So some of the Yankees current starters = A.J. Burnett?  Gotcha.  By the way here are their numbers the last 3 seasons (the only 3 that A.J. has been in NY)

Burnett   ERA      FIP        FIP-      xFIP-      SIERA      K%        BB%
2009      4.04     4.33       95        96          4.18        21.8       10.8
2010      5.26     4.83      112      108         4.37        17.5        9.4
2011      5.15     4.77      114       95          3.86        20.7        9.9

Lohse    ERA       FIP       FIP-     xFIP-       SIERA      K%        BB%
2009     4.74     4.55      111      103         4.47        15.0       7.0
2010     6.55     4.42      114      120         4.87        12.5       8.1
2011     3.39     3.67      98        105         4.26        14.3       5.4

So, really 2011 is the only year Lohse put up better numbers than Burnett and if you take into account the switch from the NL Central to the AL East, Lohse’s numbers would look even worse.   

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Plus AJ has much better stuff and a long track record of 180+ innings, and he has won 2 playoff games.

chris hines
3 years 9 months ago

People tend to forget that Burnett won game 2 of the World Series in 2009 after CC lost game 1 to Lee. Without Burnett winning that game the Yankees likely don’t win the WS that year. He’s been a headache, but he has also come through when it mattered most.

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

Ha! Try number 4 or 5, and 16.5m annually. It just helps having the facts straight before trying to make a point. I’d rather just sign Freddy Garcia again than trade for Lohse. Why give up prospects when you don’t have to?

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

You’re not making any sense. “Nutbunnies” isn’t advocating Lohse going to NY and he’s not saying he’s better than AJ. But if AJ is a 4 and Lohse is a 6 is it really worth the trouble in trading for him? Yanks don’t need more back of rotation starters, especially expensive ones (talent traded or money). If we can’t find a #2 or #3 then we might as well role the dice on a “Garcia” type again,

3 years 9 months ago

He’s had one good season in baseball’s worst division in a pitcher’s park. Otherwise he’s been one of the worst pitchers in baseball for almost 10 years now.

captainjeter
3 years 9 months ago

typical. Every GM   tries to fleece  the Yanks farm system ranked now #4

BVHjays
3 years 9 months ago

Hahaha what?

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Has it been updated or was that from earlier in the year? Earlier in the year it was 7th I believe. 

Bleed_Orange
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t think there is any fleecing going on here.  The yankees are targeting top talent to get that you have to give up top prospects.  Even on one year deals or rentals top players cost top prospects.

chris hines
3 years 9 months ago

Agree to some degree, but asking for an ace return for Gio is unreasonable. He has a high upside, but I think his control problems will hold him back from ever being an ace. Plus he has terrible numbers against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays, so going to the AL East lowers his value tremendously compared to the AL West where he feasts on the Angels.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Jake Westbrook sure would look good in pin stripes

Redbirds16
3 years 9 months ago

Jake probably doesn’t think about that. He’s too busy looking at his ring.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

“they could pencil C.C. Sabathia, Ivan Nova, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes into four rotation spots.”

That is truly a non awe inspiring front 4 and why expect very shortly to see a big splash from Cashman, or Hankie and Hal for a major SP upgrade. It is way to much to expect anything meanwhile from either Garcia, or Colon again from anyone. That bandaid holding both together has to have worn out for whoever signs either.

NY fans just need to hope that Cashman got concessions from Amos & Andy to let him have a hands off approach to future acquisitions, as well as contract negotiations with current players so they do not end up emptying the farm of top players if Cash figures the best/easiest way to fix the rotation is via trade.

We have seen all to well how that other motley crue go about negotiations and imagine giving up prospects they would do so with equal abandon.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Sabathia
Nova
Burnett
Hughes
Westbrook

Equals dynasty.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

I will go with the 1st, maybe the 2nd if everything he showed last year he can repeat, forget about the 3rd, doubtful on the 4th and Westbrook is mighty inviting type of target should he come back to the AL, much less the AL East.

Cannot picture many NYY fans looking forward to Cash acquiring him. Maybe 5-6 years ago, but not at this point of his career. Wandy Rodriquez would in all liklihood be a better target and no disrespect to what Westy has done years back, but he is near the end.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

Hughe’s problems last year seemed to be related to his arm. Once he returned, his velocity was back in the 92-93 + range and he actually pitched well except for 2 games vs the A’s and the Red Sox. The other 5 or 6 starts were in the 6 IP/2 or 3 ER runs.

chris hines
3 years 9 months ago

He had 10 starts after the All-Star break and posted a 4.55 ERA in that time, with a hit per every inning he pitched. He simply is no more than a 4-5 starter right now, and when you look at his career numbers there is nothing to suggest he will become much more than that.

He is a 2 pitch pitcher and neither one of the pitches is a blow away plus pitch. He’s experimented with the cutter, and occasionally thrown the change, but he still relies mostly on a very straight average fastball and a curve he can’t command to make it a strikeout pitch. He’s also incredibly wild within the strikezone which makes him very hittable and susceptible to the home run ball, not a good thing for Yankee stadium at all. He’s a lot like AJ Burnett without the plus stuff AJ had when he was young, or the still dynamite curve AJ still has.

If he can stay healthy he can probably be a decent enough back of the rotation arm, but he was always over hyped, and likely won’t be a Yankee when his contract runs out. At this point I’m not even sure you could trade him unless you practically give him away, which the Yankees won’t do. I actually think it would be better off for the Yankees if they got a number 2 starter, re-signed Garcia, and sent Hughes to the pen. At least there his fastball plays up, and his two pitch style works more for swing as miss stuff. Who knows if it will happen though.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

First of all, he’s 25 years old, has the ability to miss bats. To say he’s done and reached his potential is completey stupid and reeks of “OH he’s a Yankee prospect that has struggled…he must have been wayyyy overrated and now he’s garbage” hatred.

Do you understand the idea of small sample sizes?

He had trouble with his arm which kept his FB at a mediocre level. Being that he didn’t have the velocity hitters could sit on his offspeed stuff w/o fear of him blowing the FB by them.

After he came back from the ARM INJURY….

11 starts:

1 = 5 IP and 2 ER (first game back)
7 = 6 IP with 2 ER or less
3 = 12 2/3 IP with a total of 24 hits and 19 runs allowed. 2 vs Oak and 1 vs Red Sox

Not saying that we can completely excuse the 3 atrocious starts but put things in perspective. 8/11 games he pitched would be classified as a decent/good start for a pitcher who had obvious rust and was obviously being watched closely and on an innings limit. 

As for his FB….are you serious? Everyone in the world knows that the problem he had was with his arm and a lack of velocity at the beginning of the year. He went from 88-90 at the start of the year to 93-95 when he came back. 

Look, Hughes absolutely is somewhat of a question mark for 2012 but you are seriously biased or stupid to say his ceiling is that of a #5 pitcher. You know what his FIP was for July, Aug and Sept? 4.10, 3.66 and 4.18. For a pitcher coming back from a dead arm who hadn’t pitched against mlb hitters for 2 months I would say that’s a pretty good showing. And I would say that whether we were discussing Buchholz, Wade Davis or any other 25 year old gifted pitcher that has had success in the AL East.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Your clueless!

wsox05
3 years 9 months ago

Danks makes sense for the Yanks.  The Yanks would be able to resign him for around $65 over 5 years.  That is a lot better than what any other SP is looking for on the FA market.

Redbirds16
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t see why the Yanks aren’t in on him, seeing as how they can get him without trading Betances or Banuelos. Both of those guys are scheduled to be ready for the show in 2013 right? So a one-year player wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. If the price is right (sorry, I’m not blown away by Romine, I think he’s a fair trade for Danks), then why not? 

Plus, as you said, if Danks handles the media scrutiny in NY, then there’s always a chance to extend him.

Whowonthe2009WorldSeries
3 years 9 months ago

Agreed.  He is literally is the perfect fit for what the Yankees need.  A left handed starter who can fit in upper/middle of the rotation with some upside.  Romine and a Phalps/Warren type should get it done.  Going into his final year of arb Danks isn’t “expensive” but isn’t cheap either, regardless that Yankees can take it on and gladly will.  Seems like the most logical move for them given the free agent class and what opens up (depending who extends) with next years free agent pitching crop.  Worst case scenario is he walks and they can attempt to go after Greinke/Hamels/Cain/Liriano/Marcum.  And if they want they can always extend/resign him and go after someone else anyway.  I can’t think of a better fit for the Yanks right now.

chris hines
3 years 9 months ago

I’d much rather have Gio than Danks, as Gio has more upside if he can harness the walks just a little. But ultimately Danks probably comes cheaper, but I wouldn’t trade for him unless we re-sign him afterwards.

levendis
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah I honestly wouldn’t be too upset with the Yankees rotation as it is. CC will be CC, AJ will be AJ, Hughes will hopefully have a bounce back year, Nova should countinue to grow, and the 5th spot could be filled with a guy like Freddy, or even Noesi. Of course I’d love for the Yankees to improve their rotation. But if that means giving Wilson AJ money, then no. I love Danks, and would like the Yankees to trade for him, but hes a FA next year, theres n guarantee hes going to stay, and I really like Romine. If Jackson demands more than 1 year, which he will get, Id rather stay away. Oswalt seems like a good fit, probably only get a 1 year deal b/c of his back problems, but I doubt he performs any better than Garcia did this year. I think something the Yankees should look into this year is changing their offensive ideology a bit. They rely on the long ball wayy too much. The fact is that usually wont help you in the postseason. Your not going to hit alot of homers off elite pitchers that you find in the postseason. They must learn to simplify their approach. A single is just as good as a homer in some points in the game.

jjs91
3 years 9 months ago

I mean in was 11th ine era last year, without any contribution from hughes so i’m not to worried either way. 

striker
3 years 9 months ago

“However, Danks is a free agent after 2012 and the Yankees are reluctant to over-spend on a pitcher they’ll have for just one year.”

So the richest organization in baseball doesn’t think they’ll be able to extend or re-sign Danks?

3 years 9 months ago

You see when the Yanks are cautious with their money is bad and when they spend its also bad. They just wish the had a few years of control of the player they are getting since they are giving good prospects back.

3 years 9 months ago

I don’t think you understand the appeal of trading for a guy with one year left on his deal. There are no guarantees about quality or a player’s willingness to stay. All they are trading for is one year. No reason to overpay for a year.

striker
3 years 9 months ago

Re-read the quote. “the Yankees are reluctant to over-spend on a pitcher they’ll have for just one year”. 

Ben is implying they will only having him for one year. What it should say is “the Yankees are reluctant to over-spend on a pitcher they may only have for one year”.

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

ok fine, but the point still remains. Reluctant to give up prospects for what may just be one year. Too risky to give up a top prospect.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

And the “over spend” refers to prospect cost, not money.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

it’s not about the money. it’s about the cost in prospects. same reason they didn’t want to pay the prospect cost in trades for either johan or halladay.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Cashman should try and trade A-Rod for Kershaw.. just an wild idea

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

It’s early… please tell me you meant that sarcastically.

The_BiRDS
3 years 9 months ago

Obviously.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

My bad sarcasm detection is late at night, I think what he said was clear sarcasm lol. Don’t worry, that happens.

wsox05
3 years 9 months ago

JSJS what would you give up for Danks and Floyd?

The_Porcupine
3 years 9 months ago

Fact- the Yanks have the prospects to get Garza if they want him.  He’s probably the best pitcher available right now.  He provides quality innings, experience in AL East.  He’s a difference maker in their rotation. I don’t see anyone else that might be available that would be any better than what the Yanks already have (other than the pitchers in Oakland). Garza would be the solid #2 pitcher behind CC that the Yanks have been missing.

But being the Yankee hater that I am, I hope the Cubs fleece them for every prospect they can get.

3 years 9 months ago

Really, Garza? I like Gonzalez and Cahill more, a lot more.

Also, what is Billy Beane doing out in Oakland? He wants an “Ace” for either Gio or Trevor, “Good Luck” on that.

The only thing I could see is the Phillies trading Cole Hamels and trying to get both Gio & Trevor somehow. I could see Phillies fans liking the deal, I am not sure A’s fans would be pleased.

Oh, I know this is a Baseball Blog 24/7, but did anyone see how Darrelle Revis played on the final Bronco drive last night? In my humble opinion, he wanted no parts of tackling Tebow on the one play. I guess he was too bored to get the job done. At least that’s the way I feel about it. 

3 years 9 months ago

  Beane is not looking to trade either Gio or CasHill unless a team over pays for them.  The marlins looked into Gio and was asked for 2 major leagues and 2 prospects for him.  I don’t see it happening with the yanks unless they lose out on all their free agents on their list.  The yanks have the money so a Buerle or a #4 starter will fall their way. 

The_Porcupine
3 years 9 months ago

I like Buerhle as kind of the Andy Pettitte clone in the rotation.  He’s good but he is getting on the downside of his career.  Do the Yanks want another aging player on a multi year deal?  That’s why I see a better match.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Beane isn’t looking for an ace in return he’s looking for an ace return, than being a prospect return that would be commensurate of what one would give up to trade for an ace.

He’s not looking for a Roy Halladay so much as a package similar to what a Roy Halladay would get.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Young pitching.. Beane generally demands top flight young pitching and everyone knows NY has that 1-2 years away.. Question is.. Will they overpay to acquire SP now?

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

My money says yes. They’ve got two highly rated pitching prospects in Banuelos and Betances and while either of them could well succeed, both have one glaring issue that could be troublesome in the AL East and that’s high walk numbers. Both of them have an issue with BB/9 that has only gotten worse as they’ve advanced. Control is something that could certainly be developed, but it’s a legitimate cause for concern. Additionally, Banuelos in particular has gotten knocked around in the higher levels to the tune of a H/9 of around 9 on average between AA and AAA (Which could very well just be a factor of age as he’s extremely young for that level).

Both of them average over a K per inning, which is great, but those walks and hits are of concern and it may be smart for the Yanks to sell high on one of them if not both.

yanksallday
3 years 9 months ago

Walk rates is something you can fix look at Kershaw when he was young, he had very high walk rates as well.

The_Porcupine
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t see the Phils trading Hamels, despite what history may say.  And Oakland would want a huge overpay for Gio.  Cahill would be more available, but I like Garza more.  I like both but Garza has more of that ace like potential to dominate a lineup.  He’s more expensive, but when did money truly stop the Yanks.  I think the Cubs have to ask for Montero to start with and then pitching prospects (not your top 2 guys whose name escape me). 

3 years 9 months ago

Oh I can see the Phillies trading Hamels. I really could.
Also, if the Orioles traded their whole current Outfield (Reimold, Jones, & Markakis), plus their whole AAA farm system to get both Cahill and Gonzalez, I would be happy.It wouldn’t happen and not very practical, but I would do it, if I could.

3 years 9 months ago

Neither of your trade scenarios make much since.  Why would Oakland throw away two of their best trade chips, who are cost-controlled, for one year of an older, more expensive SP with only 1 year of control left?

Why would Baltimore trade away their entire outfield and a bunch of prospects for two SP?  It would arguably make them an even worse team as you take away 2 of their most consistent and impactful hitters in Jones and Markakis, and prevents them from bringing up any good prospects for another season or two.

3 years 9 months ago

He’s looking for an Ace RETURN there buckwheat. Read carefully.

Whowonthe2009WorldSeries
3 years 9 months ago

Do you mean the Phillies and A’s making the trade? Why would Billy Bean ever trade Gio and Trevor for Cole?  1 year of Cole Hamels =/= 3 years of Gio AND 3 years of Trevor.  That doesn’t make any sense.

chris hines
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not a real Cahill fan at all. At this point I’m not even sure if he can be called better than Nova.

2009- 4.53 K/9, 4.63 ERA, 5.33 FIP, .272 BABIP, 47.8 GB%
2010- 5.40 K/9, 2.97 ERA, 4.19 FIP, .236 BABIP, 56.0 GB%
2011- 6.37 K/9, 4.16 ERA, 4.10 FIP, .302 BABIP, 55.9 GB%

Career at home- 3.24 ERA in 319.1 IP, .248 BAA, 33 HRs allowed
Career on the road- 4.71 ERA in 263.2 IP, .260 BAA, 32 HRs allowed

He seems to have just gotten really lucky in 2010 on BABIP and that made his ERA look better than he pitched. All the other numbers have been pretty consistent and show him to be more of a 4.00-4.20 ERA pitcher in a great pitchers park, in the weak AL West.

I would hate to think what his numbers would be without half his game in Oakland. He certainly isn’t worth an ace level return in a trade.

striker
3 years 9 months ago

“White Sox like many Yankees prospects, particularly Austin Romine”

Ben, what’s your source?

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah I’d like to know. Austin Romine is good but nothing great. He would be a better overall catcher than Montero, if Montero remains there, but his bat is nothing great and Romine’s defense is maybe about average. Of course it would take another prospect or 2 alongside Romine, but if Romine is who they are looking at, I don’t think they will ask for anyone ranked higher than him. 

Puppet
3 years 9 months ago

It’s in Sherman’s article. So it’s Sherman’s sources.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

Thanks. I clicked it and it all talked about Bobby V possibly to Boston but then it showed a bit of what Cashman said on the 2nd page.

striker
3 years 9 months ago

I failed to look at page 2.

jjs91
3 years 9 months ago

Scouts seem to like his bat more than stats would indicate, and his park in AA is an extreme pitchers park so they have a point. 

YanksFanSince78
3 years 9 months ago

For what it’s worth he is a top 100 prospect.

3 years 9 months ago

I don’t get it, CJ Wilson was so impressive in october

3 years 9 months ago

Which October? Also you do realize that he pitches a lot against the M’s and the A’

3 years 9 months ago

sarcasm

jjs91
3 years 9 months ago

Kind of like lee has been so impressive lately, maybe just maybe those gms dont mean as much as you think they do. 

Ta-Kuan Fuan
3 years 9 months ago

Just like CC Sabathia was so impressive in Octobers prior to the Yankees signing him?

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

So was Lee until last year!

PWNdroia
3 years 9 months ago

Yankees need more superb pitching.  Just Sabathia and Nova isn’t enough in the East.  They got lucky last year.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

I agree they need better SP, but a team does not win 97 games (and easily could have been 98 games if they didn’t blow the last game) because of luck.

Using that logic, I can just say St. Louis got lucky to win the WS right? The Braves choked, and somehow Lance Berkman had one of the best years of his career at 35 years old, and had a WAR in 2011 higher than his WAR in 2009 and 2010 combined.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

That is just it though!! Timely hitting at the right time, timely pitching and hitting the lotto with Garcia/Colon the same year..

Can’t count on that 2x in a row, except for the superb offense and then need that timely hitting..Why I (at least) think that rotation is a severe Achilles heel going into 2012.

At this point, I gotta think looking at the non desirable Wandy Rodriquez and trying to get him as a salary dump with little going to Houston, then using him as a #4-5. NYY fans know I always dump on Burnett, but jeez..the guy deserves it.. Wandy would step into a new league and do better.

jjs91
3 years 9 months ago

Garcia is more than capable of putting up a 4 era next year, i wasnt surprised that he improved last  he was playing with a much better defense.

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

“Can’t count on that 2x in a row” Which is why Colon probably will not be back. Garcia is a vet and he can go any way (pitch well, pitch average, or medicore), Hughes has injury problems, CC is one of the best in the game, and I suppose you can say Nova has questions but he pitched well in 28 games started so there’s not really any signs that he will fall apart. He’s a young pitcher so we shall see. I expect a repeat performance from him (Similar ERA, K/BB etc.) which is fine by me. He pitched his best ball game in close games and he pitched the worst when the Yankees gave him heavy run support.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

” He pitched his best ball game in close games and he pitched the worst when the Yankees gave him heavy run support”

That is true of some good pitchers even who have a tendency to lose focus.. Beckett will do that on occasion, Tiant would do that and am sure many others who can’t think of right away, so that is the last thing would worry about with him, just sophomore jinx, or the league having a strong, extra good look at him would be the only thing and doubt that…

Nova would IMO count on as the strong #2 as of now looking at 2012.

cyberboo
3 years 9 months ago

Sabathia on the other hand pitches his best when he has no pressure on him in blowouts.  In 2010, 14 of his 21 wins came via the blowout.  He won 7 games when it wasn’t a blowout and in 2011, he also won 14 of his 19 wins via the blowout.  Unfortunately, if you only go by the games that weren’t blowouts, he has a 6.79 ERA and has lost 25 games where the Yankees didn’t score him 10 runs a game.  You can look it up based on each game the last three years if you don’t believe me.  Sabathia chokes under pressure and you see it every year in October, when every pitch means something.  He choked in Cleveland, he choked in Milwaukee, and he has choked in New York, yet everyone looks at wins – losses and says wow, he is a great pitcher.  The actual facts tell a different story and he is worth 14M a season, not 25M, but again, why cloud the issue with facts right?  lol. 

MB923
3 years 9 months ago

You tried getting me with this in the past and you have failed big time

Sabathia has 23 career losses as a Yankee, so I don’t know why you are saying “He has 25 losses in X amount of runs scored for him”. I don’t know where you are getting your stats from dude, but they are not accurate as well.

2009
Yankees score 0-2 runs for him, ERA of 3.42
3-5 runs scored for him, 3.95

2010
0-2 runs scored for him, 3.60
3-5 runs scored, 2.85

2011
0-2 runs, 3.40
3-5 runs, 3.15

Either you are making up this nonsense on your own or maybe you’re looking at other mixed seasons with the Indians or something.

By the way, Fangraphs has him worth $28.8 million in 2009, $20.9 million in 2010, and $32.2 millin in 2011.

Again, where are you getting your ridiculous info from?

By the way, if he choked in NY, he wouldn’t have won a playoff MVP award and a WS ring.

Bleed_Orange
3 years 9 months ago

I’m not 100% sold on Nova yet so I’d say the only sure thing is CC.  Cashman is going to have to tap into the farm.  I think Garza makes alot of sense for both the Yankees and the Cubbies

mikeclyne
3 years 9 months ago

Would love Garza on the Yankees.  True bulldog competitor and very fierce…Would pencil him in as the 2-3 guy and then if Burnett cannot figure things out again plug in one to the young guns and see how it goes.  Would love to see if a healthy Hughes can keep it together for a full year.  And have no problems picking up either Garcia or Colon at a reasonable 1 year deal with an option for 2nd if they pitch so many innings.  Either could be a long man or fill in rotation guy if needed.  See nothing wrong with that if price tag is lower then a few million.  I’d move Romie if the deal was right, Danks or Garza would be ok, but not include too many prospects for Danks just b/c of only 1 year left.  I’d be interested in Yankees going for Burhele as well.  All of these guys I’d take before CJ Wilson, Wilsons $ demands and years just makes it too much of a risk and rather not lock up all that money in unproven comiditity..

Puppet
3 years 9 months ago

Betances and Romine? That enough for you White Sox fans?

3 years 9 months ago

Betances and Romine would be a steep price for Danks. He’s got great stuff, but is coming off a horrible year and has one year remaining. The one year remaining is also the reason he’s on the market though. The problem with trading 2 of your top 5 prospects for him would be performance. After last season, who knows how Danks will performs, especially playing in NY. It would be a high price for a ton of risk. I assume Cash would part with one, but not both. Pair up one with a lower level guy with upside and the deal could be made (Mitchell, Phelps possibly even Noesi if they demand major league ready guys).

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Horrible? Danks had a FIP south of 4 which is pretty good. His K/9 and BB/9 were actually improvements on his last two seasons. His BABip was the highest of his career. In all likelihood, the biggest issue Danks had last year was some injury trouble and a bad defense behind him.

3 years 9 months ago

I wish Disqus had a delete feature, when a reply to someone doesn’t go where it’s supposed to go.

3 years 9 months ago

The Yanks should offer the Dodgers, Cano – Montero – Hughes – Nova – Nunez – Swisher & pick 2 from the group of Phelps/Warren/Dellin/Noesi…..and 1  prospect to be name later from the group of Culver/Gumbs/Williams/Bichette jr/…FOR Kershaw No way they turn that down…If they do…Give the Same offer 2 the Giants 4 Lincecum
 
Then Sign Yu…
 
2012 rotation
Kershaw or Lincecum
CC
Yu
Burnett
Manny.B
 
Problem Solved

Raylan Givens' Stetson
3 years 9 months ago

Much more problems created.

3 years 9 months ago

When does your comedy tour start?

mikeclyne
3 years 9 months ago

Not sure IF I’d trade even 2 of the starters for Kershaw…Cano and Montero is already more then enough.  Cano and Nova is already enough. Take out Montero, Cano and Nova.  Hughes, Nunez, Swisher and 3 of the prospects seems like we might be getting somewhere.  Maybe instead of Hughes, give up one of the young guns and LAD might be more interested…

3 years 9 months ago

that was pretty funny

3 years 9 months ago

Sign Cespedes,Ortiz,Furcal & then your lineup shapes like this

Jeter-SS
Granderson-CF
Ortiz-DH
Arod-3B
Teix-1B
Cespedes-RF
Martin-C
Furcal-2B
Gardner-CF …………To go along with this rotation

Kershaw or Lincecum
CC
Yu
Burnett
Manny.B

This could work get it done Cashman!!!!

East Coast Bias
3 years 9 months ago

Your posts are making me turn into the hulk.

slider32
3 years 9 months ago

Cashman is just posturing right now, most of the serious talks will take place after the winter meetings. Teams are just trying to see what direction they are going to go. Adding pitching is first proirity for most teams.