Sherman On Yankees’ Search For Pitching

A year ago, the Yankees showed their reluctance to bid on non-elite free agent pitchers with substantial asking prices. Unless the current market for pitching changes, GM Brian Cashman may be searching for back-of-the-rotation bargains again. 

“I’d like to do something, but I am not going to do something at the current costs,” Cashman said, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

C.J. Wilson’s agent requested a New York meeting and the Yankees said they’d get back to the free agent left-hander, according to Sherman, Despite the lack of enthusiasm from the team, Wilson tops the Yankees’ list of free agent starters in terms of talent.

The Yankees have “looked into” Matt Garza, but a Cubs official downplayed the likelihood of any deal involving the right-hander, according to Sherman. The Yankees particularly like Gio Gonzalez and the Athletics are open to anything, but GM Billy Beane is asking for an ace return for Gonzalez or Trevor Cahill.

The Yankees like John Danks and the White Sox like many Yankees prospects, particularly Austin Romine. However, Danks is a free agent after 2012 and the Yankees are reluctant to over-spend on a pitcher they’ll have for just one year.

If the Yankees don't make a major acquisition before Spring Training, they could pencil C.C. Sabathia, Ivan Nova, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes into four rotation spots. Free agent Freddy Garcia could return on a one-year deal and prospects Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances may contribute at some point in 2012.


Leave a Reply

114 Comments on "Sherman On Yankees’ Search For Pitching"


Member
EdinsonPickle
3 years 7 months ago

I like what Cash is doing here. He’s not making moves just for the sake of making moves.

Member
jhfdssdaf
3 years 7 months ago

Here’s an outside the box thought – If the Yankees are looking for rotation depth, they could probably get Kyle Lohse from the Cardinals.  He had a decent year last year, and has 1 year/$10 million left on his contract – roughly market value based on his performance last year.  If the Yankees are willing to take on his salary, I’d bet on the Cardinals being satisfied with a low to mid level prospect in return.

Member
Gjf29
3 years 7 months ago

Lohse would get rocked in the AL East, the Yankees do not make moves for average pitchers/players. Like the Phillies, they want the best. They are waiting to see what transpires with Darvish I am sure. I think CJ Wilson will not be paid as highly as people think. A guy like John Danks is as good as player IMO.

Member
Redbirds16
3 years 7 months ago

Exactly. Lohse gives up too many loud outs in St. Louis that would end up out of the park in hitter-friendly Yankee stadium. 

Plus Lohse just won a ring with the Cards, why would he waive his no trade clause?

Member
The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

I dunno…. Why are boobs good?

Member
3 years 7 months ago

Kyle Lohse had a 107 ERA+ and prior to that has largely been one of the worst pitchers in baseball since he debuted. He would get demolished, destroyed, steamrolled, killed in the AL East.

Member
mondaymorninggm
3 years 7 months ago

how is kyle lohse a worse pitcher than even some of the yankees current starters?? he’s put up better numbers than burnett the past few seasons. you know, burnett?? your 18 million dollar number 2??the cards wont trade him for a mid level prospect. he’s our number 4. you can have westbrook…the cards pitching staff is much better than the yanks, why would we mess with it??

Member
Yankees420
3 years 7 months ago

So some of the Yankees current starters = A.J. Burnett?  Gotcha.  By the way here are their numbers the last 3 seasons (the only 3 that A.J. has been in NY)

Burnett   ERA      FIP        FIP-      xFIP-      SIERA      K%        BB%
2009      4.04     4.33       95        96          4.18        21.8       10.8
2010      5.26     4.83      112      108         4.37        17.5        9.4
2011      5.15     4.77      114       95          3.86        20.7        9.9

Lohse    ERA       FIP       FIP-     xFIP-       SIERA      K%        BB%
2009     4.74     4.55      111      103         4.47        15.0       7.0
2010     6.55     4.42      114      120         4.87        12.5       8.1
2011     3.39     3.67      98        105         4.26        14.3       5.4

So, really 2011 is the only year Lohse put up better numbers than Burnett and if you take into account the switch from the NL Central to the AL East, Lohse’s numbers would look even worse.   

Member
slider32
3 years 7 months ago

Plus AJ has much better stuff and a long track record of 180+ innings, and he has won 2 playoff games.

Member
chris hines
3 years 7 months ago

People tend to forget that Burnett won game 2 of the World Series in 2009 after CC lost game 1 to Lee. Without Burnett winning that game the Yankees likely don’t win the WS that year. He’s been a headache, but he has also come through when it mattered most.

Member
East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

Ha! Try number 4 or 5, and 16.5m annually. It just helps having the facts straight before trying to make a point. I’d rather just sign Freddy Garcia again than trade for Lohse. Why give up prospects when you don’t have to?

Member
YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

You’re not making any sense. “Nutbunnies” isn’t advocating Lohse going to NY and he’s not saying he’s better than AJ. But if AJ is a 4 and Lohse is a 6 is it really worth the trouble in trading for him? Yanks don’t need more back of rotation starters, especially expensive ones (talent traded or money). If we can’t find a #2 or #3 then we might as well role the dice on a “Garcia” type again,

Member
3 years 7 months ago

He’s had one good season in baseball’s worst division in a pitcher’s park. Otherwise he’s been one of the worst pitchers in baseball for almost 10 years now.

Member
captainjeter
3 years 7 months ago

typical. Every GM   tries to fleece  the Yanks farm system ranked now #4

Member
BVHjays
3 years 7 months ago

Hahaha what?

Member
MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Has it been updated or was that from earlier in the year? Earlier in the year it was 7th I believe. 

Member
Bleed_Orange
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think there is any fleecing going on here.  The yankees are targeting top talent to get that you have to give up top prospects.  Even on one year deals or rentals top players cost top prospects.

Member
chris hines
3 years 7 months ago

Agree to some degree, but asking for an ace return for Gio is unreasonable. He has a high upside, but I think his control problems will hold him back from ever being an ace. Plus he has terrible numbers against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays, so going to the AL East lowers his value tremendously compared to the AL West where he feasts on the Angels.

Member
The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Jake Westbrook sure would look good in pin stripes

Member
Redbirds16
3 years 7 months ago

Jake probably doesn’t think about that. He’s too busy looking at his ring.

Member
johnsilver
3 years 7 months ago

“they could pencil C.C. Sabathia, Ivan Nova, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes into four rotation spots.”

That is truly a non awe inspiring front 4 and why expect very shortly to see a big splash from Cashman, or Hankie and Hal for a major SP upgrade. It is way to much to expect anything meanwhile from either Garcia, or Colon again from anyone. That bandaid holding both together has to have worn out for whoever signs either.

NY fans just need to hope that Cashman got concessions from Amos & Andy to let him have a hands off approach to future acquisitions, as well as contract negotiations with current players so they do not end up emptying the farm of top players if Cash figures the best/easiest way to fix the rotation is via trade.

We have seen all to well how that other motley crue go about negotiations and imagine giving up prospects they would do so with equal abandon.

Member
The_BiRDS
3 years 7 months ago

Sabathia
Nova
Burnett
Hughes
Westbrook

Equals dynasty.

Member
johnsilver
3 years 7 months ago

I will go with the 1st, maybe the 2nd if everything he showed last year he can repeat, forget about the 3rd, doubtful on the 4th and Westbrook is mighty inviting type of target should he come back to the AL, much less the AL East.

Cannot picture many NYY fans looking forward to Cash acquiring him. Maybe 5-6 years ago, but not at this point of his career. Wandy Rodriquez would in all liklihood be a better target and no disrespect to what Westy has done years back, but he is near the end.

Member
YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

Hughe’s problems last year seemed to be related to his arm. Once he returned, his velocity was back in the 92-93 + range and he actually pitched well except for 2 games vs the A’s and the Red Sox. The other 5 or 6 starts were in the 6 IP/2 or 3 ER runs.

Member
chris hines
3 years 7 months ago

He had 10 starts after the All-Star break and posted a 4.55 ERA in that time, with a hit per every inning he pitched. He simply is no more than a 4-5 starter right now, and when you look at his career numbers there is nothing to suggest he will become much more than that.

He is a 2 pitch pitcher and neither one of the pitches is a blow away plus pitch. He’s experimented with the cutter, and occasionally thrown the change, but he still relies mostly on a very straight average fastball and a curve he can’t command to make it a strikeout pitch. He’s also incredibly wild within the strikezone which makes him very hittable and susceptible to the home run ball, not a good thing for Yankee stadium at all. He’s a lot like AJ Burnett without the plus stuff AJ had when he was young, or the still dynamite curve AJ still has.

If he can stay healthy he can probably be a decent enough back of the rotation arm, but he was always over hyped, and likely won’t be a Yankee when his contract runs out. At this point I’m not even sure you could trade him unless you practically give him away, which the Yankees won’t do. I actually think it would be better off for the Yankees if they got a number 2 starter, re-signed Garcia, and sent Hughes to the pen. At least there his fastball plays up, and his two pitch style works more for swing as miss stuff. Who knows if it will happen though.

Member
YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

First of all, he’s 25 years old, has the ability to miss bats. To say he’s done and reached his potential is completey stupid and reeks of “OH he’s a Yankee prospect that has struggled…he must have been wayyyy overrated and now he’s garbage” hatred.

Do you understand the idea of small sample sizes?

He had trouble with his arm which kept his FB at a mediocre level. Being that he didn’t have the velocity hitters could sit on his offspeed stuff w/o fear of him blowing the FB by them.

After he came back from the ARM INJURY….

11 starts:

1 = 5 IP and 2 ER (first game back)
7 = 6 IP with 2 ER or less
3 = 12 2/3 IP with a total of 24 hits and 19 runs allowed. 2 vs Oak and 1 vs Red Sox

Not saying that we can completely excuse the 3 atrocious starts but put things in perspective. 8/11 games he pitched would be classified as a decent/good start for a pitcher who had obvious rust and was obviously being watched closely and on an innings limit. 

As for his FB….are you serious? Everyone in the world knows that the problem he had was with his arm and a lack of velocity at the beginning of the year. He went from 88-90 at the start of the year to 93-95 when he came back. 

Look, Hughes absolutely is somewhat of a question mark for 2012 but you are seriously biased or stupid to say his ceiling is that of a #5 pitcher. You know what his FIP was for July, Aug and Sept? 4.10, 3.66 and 4.18. For a pitcher coming back from a dead arm who hadn’t pitched against mlb hitters for 2 months I would say that’s a pretty good showing. And I would say that whether we were discussing Buchholz, Wade Davis or any other 25 year old gifted pitcher that has had success in the AL East.

Member
slider32
3 years 7 months ago

Your clueless!