Braves Rumors: Jurrjens, Prado

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3 years 7 months ago

That’s alot of health uncertainty in what most claimed to be an “overstocked” rotation…

coolstorybro222
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah three out of what 10 probable starters have health problems. Plus JJ always had the weird health issues, and Hanson’s pitching stance and windup could end his career soon if he doesn’t change it because of that wicked snapback he does. 

3 years 7 months ago

Hudson is fine.  And we are still quite “overstocked”.  We have plenty of guys to come up and take spots if needed.

coolstorybro222
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah. Delgado and Terhan have ML experience and Medlen is in the BP if we need him. 

Shawnthemon
3 years 7 months ago

Wait, isn’t Thames a left field thumper? 

3 years 7 months ago

he’s a left-fielder….

3 years 7 months ago

More like a left field bambi

3 years 7 months ago

JFYI to Wren/ATL…You aren’t getting anything close to a LF thumper for Prado…And no one wants to take a flier on a SP w/ 4 straight yrs of lost FB velocity (Jurrjens), Bruh!

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

Are you suggesting that a pitcher HAS to throw 95 MPH to be effective ? Cause Jurrjens was pitching his way into Cy Young discussions before his injury .

DaSpiderMonkeys
3 years 7 months ago

How soon people forget it seems. 

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

They also think that the decline in his fastball is due to injuries or something . He did actually throw the fastball 92-93 MPH last year at times . He just didn’t need to do it with consistency . Jurrjens pitches with deception . Not , here’s my 95 MPH fastball , see if you can hit it . He works the corners and edges and changes speeds just enough to throw hitters off . He’s not flashy , but effective .

erm016
3 years 7 months ago

Kind of like Greg Maddux. I’d take that 

Quacktastic_Duck
3 years 7 months ago

Thank you Javier Vasquez for teaching Jair Jurrjens about pitching. It allowed him for better accuracy and longer outings. I hate that people look at the radar to see if a pitcher is any good. It’s not about how hard you throw it, it’s about throwing strikes and making the guy at the plate not get a good piece of it.

Maddux probably wouldn’t have been drafted these days with that ‘sub-par fastball’ of his.

DK8
3 years 7 months ago

Maddux actually hit mid 90s when he first came up to the bigs..

BrandonP
3 years 7 months ago

Im not saying he is the next greg maddux but he pitches a lot like him not very fast but good location with some nasty OS stuff

DK8
3 years 7 months ago

The Knobler article on CBS Sports says the Braves are telling teams Jurrjens was back up to the mid 90s with his FB in the instructional league…

3 years 7 months ago

You’re right.  We could get more than just a Left Field Thumper for Prado.  Probably get a few prospects in there, too.  Under valuing a multi position fielder with a great bat is a mistake that, I am glad, Frank Wren will not be making.  So believe me, “bruh”, Prado is worth more than anything your team can afford.

3 years 7 months ago

Yeah, I see teams beatin’ down the doors to get Prado…And if he was SO VALUABLE…Why is Wren putting him on the block???
Same goes for Jurrjens…And the bit about pitching w/ disception is a LOAD. Dudes FB has dropped significantly for 4yrs running. 92-94 in 2008…Down to mid/upper 80’s in 2011. That’s got RED FLAG written all over it.

3 years 7 months ago

As far as everyone has seen, he isn’t “on the block”.  He is entertaining offers and is expecting huge returns for those teams that are interested.  That signifies a highly valued player.  We aren’t rushing to get rid of him and would just as soon see him back in a Braves uniform next season. 

Again, on Jurrjens-velocity has NOTHING to do with how well someone pitches.  It could be the way the pitching coach is teaching him to make his delivery.  The guy is a really good pitcher.  Undervalue him if you want.  Again, he will probably be in an Atlanta uniform next year because the return will have to be significant.

3 years 7 months ago

Never said anything regarding what level of pitcher he was…Just that the velocity loss is a factor & a sign. Sure, Could be that he went away from his 4-seam & used the 2-seam at the request of his PC…Could be they altered his delivery…or it could be that his Stride/Plant Knee is starting to show signs of wear/tear & he’s shortening his stride to compensate  -dropping the velocity – while allowing him to grind through the season…Either way, It’s still a RED FLAG..And that matters in what will be offered vs. what would have been offered w/o that flag!

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

It’s amazing that the guy pitched as well as he did last year but is still being given a tag of a red flagged player . Some people make it sound like he can’t throw over 90 MPH anymore . But he clearly did on many occasions last year throw 92-93 MPH when needed . It’s true that he was more consistently around the 88-89 range to locate his pitches . But don’t say that he can’t throw the fastball any higher than 90 when he surely can .

Alot has been said about Jurrjens . But he did have a really good year last year , if not his best , for the time that he was able to pitch .  

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

There’s more concern about 2 straight seasons of 20 and 23 starts.    That’s 43 out of 66-68 starts.  About 2/3.  His first 9 in 2011 were impressive.  The other 34 starts??   You’re asking for a premiere return based on 9 starts…

BrandonP
3 years 7 months ago

Could you even hit a 90 mph fastball

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

I could and I would sign for the minimum . Once the pitches started to curve though , I would be in trouble .

BrandonP
3 years 7 months ago

Yep my problem to i would deff. Sit the bench though for league minimum

BrandonP
3 years 7 months ago

Yep my problem to i would deff. Sit the bench though for league minimum

3 years 7 months ago

Was this a direct quote form Matt Treanor?

TimotheusATL
3 years 7 months ago

even though i know it’s a pipe dream (because he’d actually cost money), i’d actually like to see buehrle in atlanta.

3 years 7 months ago

Why? The last thing the Braves need to do is commit to a FA starting pitcher. It is not even really about the money, but about the depth charts.

3 years 7 months ago

Yeah, I am pretty sure the last time we did that, we got crappy years outta Lowe

TimotheusATL
3 years 7 months ago

oh, it’s got nothing to do with reality. i just threw my first “the show” no-hitter with him years ago, so i’ve always kinda liked him.

and yes, with liberty media, it’s always about the money.

HARRISON ROSE
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t understand how the Braves haven’t acquired Carlos Quentin yet…he is the exact player they are looking for, and the Braves have the pitching prospects the White Sox desire.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t know either . I kinda like the way the Braves and White Sox match up . We could help each others needs .

rundmc1981
3 years 7 months ago

Quentin if a RF and not a good one. He’s only played in 100+ games in a season 3 times in 6 seasons and never more than 131 – so he loves his injuries. He gets on base a decent amount, but nothing special. And he’s only had 1 season more than 87 RBI and 30 HR back in ’08. Yes, that’s a nice resume, but when you consider he’ll be a free agent in 2013, the ship has sailed on him. Even through arbitration he’ll fetch $7M in 2012. He’d be better than what we have, but we’ve taken flyers on him before and Kenny Williams has wanted the world for him, even during rebuilding mode. Frankly, I don’t think he’s worth it. ATL undervalues defense way too much, especially if they’re not going to re-sign Michael Bourn.

BrandonP
3 years 7 months ago

Alexei ramirez and Carlos Quientin for Prado and B prospect, JJ for Yonder Alonso B prospect,,,,

Brv Rocks
3 years 7 months ago

The Braves are too obsessed with getting a left field “thumper”.  They need to just keep Prado.

I would like to see them trade Jurrjens for a couple of elite tier prospects.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

I’d be fine with that . I think Prado bounces back this year and produces close to what he is being projected at : .289 , .330+ , .415+ , 14HR’s

Jeremy Maskell
3 years 7 months ago

As much as Quentin would help the power numbers, he strikes out too much and we already have that problem with this lineup.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

He struck out a total of 84 times last year in 483 PA’s . Thats not a lot . He only strikes out once every 5 or 6 PA’s . So , once in every game and a 1/2 , he will strike out .

John Adams
3 years 7 months ago

Carlos Quentin is a good OBP player. 

3 years 7 months ago

If Jays want Prado and dont match u, AA will just figure out a 3-way deal.  He did it with Edwin Jackson and St. Louis.  He’ll do it again.

3 years 7 months ago

I’d like to  see a 3 team deal that sends prado and bailey to the jays

Chintastic
3 years 7 months ago

When is the last time Braves did a 3 way deal? I think that might be too advanced for ’em.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

bailey is going to be overpriced.  

3 years 7 months ago

he did that to acquire the long coveted rasmus. prado is a nice but unspectacular player, and he pretty much is what he is at this point in his career. i dont see AA bending over backwards to acquire him, there are other viable options on the market.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

Prado>Rasmus

3 years 7 months ago

In other news, Jurrjens>Tommy Hanson, Hinske > Heyward, and Gonzalez>Escobar.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

WOW . And you figured all that out on your own . I’m so impressed . Now can you count to ten ? You do that , and I’ll give you a star sticker .

DK8
3 years 7 months ago

If you think Rasmus is better than Prado (as a  2B, which is what an acquiring team is paying for), you have to assume that Rasmus still has growth left in his bat and that he can stick in CF.  If he moves off CF, Rasmus has to have a LOT of growth left in his bat.

Prado may be what he is at this point, but he is an above average offensive and slightly below average defensive 2B, who also has the ability to play LF and 3B. You can make an argument that Rasmus will be better going forward, but that’s a 50/50 toss up at best.

3 years 7 months ago

I can’t figure out if everyone on this board really thinks AA is a genius or is being sarcastic.

johnsmith4
3 years 7 months ago

Genius

3 years 7 months ago

The only uncertainty in regards to Hudson is with Bowman.  The other beat writers, Frank Wren, his doctors, and even Hudson himself say there is no uncertainty and he will be ready for spring training. It was his back and limited him in the spring last year.  The surgery will allow him to start throwing again in 6 weeks and be ready for pitchers and catchers, which is better than a year ago according to him and the Braves.

The real uncertainty is with Hanson, but with keeping Jurrjens – who could have pitched a playoff game against the Cardinals or the NLDS had the Braves not choked – will ease that uncertainty.  The Braves have three young pitchers who are major league ready and another wild card who can jump in the rotation if needed – Teheran, Minor, Delgado, and if needed Medlen.  The real question mark is as I mentioned Tommy Hanson. 

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

Not just this . He also pitched the last two years with the same dicomfort that led to the surgery . The guy is a gamer . If he pitched the last two years with the discomfort , why wouldn’t he be ready for spring training .

3 years 7 months ago

The question is will the Braves, if all starters are healthy, start the year with an 8-man rotation.  Sure…Hell…Keep everyone..  It’s not like other NL East teams are getting better.  Ugh…

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

Hudson will be fine . Jurrjens should also be fine . I’m not sure whats up with Hanson . I thought he was close to being ready to go before the playoffs started . But we still have Minor , Beachy ,Teheran , Medlen(who looked good coming back) , and Delgado . And Christian Martinez could make a spot start when needed and be productive . So we could still trade an arm and still be fine .

3 years 7 months ago

Didn’t they unofficially shut Hanson down last year so his shoulder wouldn’t get any worse?  I thought that was the reason we didn’t really see him come back?

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

You might be right . I know Jurrjens was probably closer to being ready to come back than Tommy .

rundmc1981
3 years 7 months ago

He kept having stiffness leaving him unable to finish a bullpen session. Hanson got an MRI and went to get his shoulder looked at indicating that there was no structural damage. He should be alright, but with his wind up, there’s definitely something worrisome about all this.

3 years 7 months ago

People seem to forget Todd Redmond who actually had a lower WHIP than Teheran last year in more innings and then there’s also Vizcaino who could start if needed, I’m sure and Hoover who is awful close to MLB ready.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

I think Hoover is gonna be this years Randall Delgado . They will bring him up after the AS break or in September and he will impress .

AFCFAN06
3 years 7 months ago

Im just ready for some moves would like to see the Braves make a splash

3 years 7 months ago

if AA wants he usually gets.

Brv Rocks
3 years 7 months ago

As long as he is willing to give up Marisnick then he might get Prado.

I think he is wanting to “buy low” yet again and that just isn’t going to happen this time.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

scouts have marisnick higher on the depth charts than Gose..

Given his age, I don’t think he’s moved for anyone outside of a premier player (not straight up obvi)

prado is a nice piece, but he’s not worth a top 5 prospect on a top 3 farm system

3 years 7 months ago

eventually

John Adams
3 years 7 months ago

As a Braves fan, I feel they are not going to make any major deals. Kind of in a tough position with question marks in the pitching rotation.  I do think Hudson will be fine, that surgery isn’t major.  We don’t need power in the outfield if Heyward had a full healthy season, with a good hitting philosophy.  He can produce 30 homeruns, he has that kind of power. If Wren trades Prado better not get a platoon guy because splitting time with Matt Diaz is not going to get it done.

Jeff
3 years 7 months ago

If you need a platoon, you’ve got Hinske/Diaz already.

NYBravosFan10
3 years 7 months ago

Don’t listen to Bowman. He’s naturally pessimistic and he never ever thinks the team will do anything. Every offseason and trade deadline his rallying cry is “I wouldn’t expect them to do anything”. I once saw a video of Fredi G. criticizing him.

3 years 7 months ago

Still don’t understand why the Braves are so high on Pastornicky and not filling their SS gap with more of a sure thing like Alexei Ramirez or the Reds’ Frazier.

Willingham and Kubel seem like reasonable options for us but I’m not hearing about connections there either. So…who ARE we interested in aside from Delmon Young but not really?

Brv Rocks
3 years 7 months ago

I haven’t heard anything that says that Ramirez or Frazier are available.  Also, Frazier is no more of a “sure thing” than Pastornicky.

Kubel doesn’t make any sense at all since he is left handed.  Willingham makes more sense (if the Braves trade Prado).

3 years 7 months ago

Excuse me, I meant Cuddyer not Kubel. But thanks for clearing up who the Braves are actually interested in, real helpful.

This is pure speculation on SS to go after as the Braves are doing no such thing. Frazier is more of a personal preference though I suppose. 

Thames isn’t RH either but that hasn’t ruled him out of speculation it would seem, the point I’m trying to make is Wren wants to create a player who is not available to trade for it seems and it’ll seem that way until we start hearing about players we are interested in outside of Seth Smith and Delmon Young who interest has been limited in.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

Chris Heisey from the Reds . They want Jurrjens and we need a young LFer who is RH . It’s really the only trade that makes sense unless some other team jumps in , which is always possible .

Jeff
3 years 7 months ago

Heisey interests me, and the Reds have a glut of OFs.

Great comparative advantage trade, which is what the Braves should be looking at with JJ.

That said, I wonder how much more Hanson would bring then JJ, I’d rather have JJ then Hanson, who I think is a bigger risk (bigger reward, but we need someone consistent and JJ is that)

Jeff
3 years 7 months ago

The only real question with Pastornicky at SS is his arm, but a good SS can compensate for an average arm, and he’s good everywhere else.  Also FF is an asset and allows for more risk-taking on throws- he saved Uggla about 10 errors last year.  Uggla had to throw it into the bleachers for Freeman not to get it.  Too bad Freeman’s a garden gnome in terms of range.

He has potential to be a solid #2-type hitter with good OBP skills and a tiny amount of pop, that’s very good for a SS.  If no good SS options are avaliable, I’d roll the dice with him and if it fails, there’s always midseason trades.

Michael Pesce
3 years 7 months ago

The Braves have been looking for that left-field power bat every off-season for five years; Wren has started the season with Diaz, Blanco, Anderson, Cabrera and Prado sequentially since 2007, not to mention that most of these players were in a platoon with another player. A trade for a “thumper” seems very improbable.

coolstorybro222
3 years 7 months ago

unless you count Garrett Anderson as a power threat. 

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

This year might be a little different . We have a least two players that we know of as trade bait , with at least ten teams interested in each of them . Then we also have some young talent to package together with those two , if we really wanted to go that route .

NYBravosFan10
3 years 7 months ago

Bowman blogged earlier that the Braves backup infield targets are Ronnie Cedeno and Nick Punto. But Frank Wren could have just told him that to get rid of him. You’ve got your story now Mark, go terrorize the buffet.

coolstorybro222
3 years 7 months ago

if they get Nick Punto I am not going to a game at all. 

NYBravosFan10
3 years 7 months ago

why not? Punto is solid.

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

Actual fact.  Punto has been on the DL more times than any other player in baseball over the last 4 years.  Chipper will have company…

coolstorybro222
3 years 7 months ago

Oh COME ON WREN. Edgar was awesome. He could field and he was a decent hitter too. plus he can help move along the rookie shortstops.