Many Teams Interested In Seth Smith

Saturday: The talks between the Rockies and Braves that centered upon Seth Smith going to Atlanta and Martin Prado heading to Colorado have gone cold, writes Thomas Harding of MLB.com.  However, the Braves still appear to be interested in acquiring Smith.

Thursday: Seth Smith is drawing interest from the Athletics, Rays, Mariners, Braves and Mets, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Reds have also been linked to Smith this offseason and are looking for a left fielder, though Rosenthal and Morosi don't mention Cincinnati. The Rockies can afford to part with Smith, as they already have outfielders Carlos Gonzalez, Dexter Fowler, Michael Cuddyer and Tyler Colvin.

GM Dan O'Dowd would likely look for MLB-ready pitching or a second baseman for Smith, Rosenthal and Morosi write. Smith, a left-handed hitter, posted a .284/.347/.483 line with 15 homers in 533 plate appearances this past season, playing left and right field. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz estimates a 2012 salary of $2.6MM for the 29-year-old via the arbitration process.


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  1. Snoochies8 4 years ago

    why would the a’s want to get seth smith? that’d be the opposite direction they’re going, unless maybe it was andrew bailey for seth smith plus a prospect or two?

    • Red_Line_9 4 years ago

      The A’s probably wouldn’t have to deal much, and could possibly deal Smith at the deadline to a contender.

    • nathanalext 4 years ago

      If they Rockies were desperately looking for a closer, why did they just trade Huston Street?

      • Snoochies8 4 years ago

        exactly, i don’t think the a’s and rockies match up too well, plus seth smith is older and the a’s are trying to get younger

        • Thomas W 4 years ago

          Sizemore for Smith with Colorado throwing an arm in

      • rundmc1981 4 years ago

        Huston Street isn’t cheap, has some injury concerns, and still has some value, while COL has some closing candidates (Betancourt, among others). They could easily do what TOR has done in 2011 or NYM is doing this offseason and get a few guys with closing experience to have some depth at the position, while also finding their setup man. Of course, there’s some risk involved, but that might be worth the risk for a budget-conscious team.

  2. joeybw 4 years ago

    This is your answer for DH, Friedman? Pass.

  3. Ryan Wenzloff 4 years ago

    I think the Mariners are going to grab Smith, Just a gut feeling

  4. $3828999 4 years ago

    for who?

  5. MWholers 4 years ago

    Is there a more overrated player this offseason than Seth Smith?

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      Adam Jones.

    • GearsofTed 4 years ago

      Nope, If these writers actually saw Smith play, their tune would change. I wouldn’t trade for Smith if I had a gun to my head

    • HHReloaded 4 years ago

      Yeah, and we (Rox) signed him for $31M

  6. 14 Rocks 4 years ago

    I hope someone trades for Smith before the Braves are dumb enough to trade martin Prado for him.

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      The only way he’d be involved is if Tim Wheeler is involved, and Wheeler would be the centerpiece, not Smith. 

      • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

        Very true.  Martin Prado is an all-star with a 4.4 WAR season under his belt.  Seth Smith is a platoon player.

    • progmatinee 4 years ago

      I so hope it happens just to see you explode over it. You’re obsessed with this scenario. Saying you don’t want it to happen over and over really won’t impact whether it does or not.

      • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

        Sorry for being a fan of a team and not wanting them to trade one of their best players for a scrub!!

        I’m just sick of the Rockies beat writers making up this nonsense.

  7. Haven’t we known teams were interested for months now?

  8. TheHotCorner 4 years ago

    Just how many GM’s does Seth Smith have incriminating photos of to be drawing this much attention?

  9. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

    “Many Teams Interested In Seth Smith”

    I call BS

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      “Many [Minor-League] Teams Interested in Seth Smith”

  10. DickHarden 4 years ago

    Don’t the M’s have enough outfielders?

  11. Red_Line_9 4 years ago

    Smith would matchup with the Indians farely well.  If the reports of the Indians interest in Nick Swisher are accurate.  Not that they are the same player.

  12. Guest 4 years ago

    No thanks…

  13. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    The only thing that’s annoying me is that I haven’t yet seen “Braves out on Seth Smith” If D’OD is too stubborn to relinquish one of those CFers he’s hoarding then he needs to go look elsewhere. He treats those guys like my pet hamsters treated their food. Took it away to their own little corner and flipped out if the other tried to come near it.

    • bleedrockiepurple 4 years ago

      What are you talking about? We heard O’Dowd not wanting to split with Wheeler/Blackmon PRIOR to the Cuddyer signing which was very understandable with their potential. You act like O’Dowd is soooo eminent about not trading one of the two when there has not been a single report after the Cuddy signing saying O’Dowd wouldn’t split with one of them now.

      I’m just as tired of the Prado/Smith rumors as you are but your so bias towards Wren/Prado/the entire braves organization that you only see the Rox organization/O’Dowd as the bad guy. Broaden your horizon and get away from overvaluing your players, you need to be more of a realist.

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      I’d be ok with Seth Smith, as long as Prado isn’t traded for him.

      Seth Smith+ one of the Rockies top prospects for JJ+Hinske (Hinske wouldn’t make the roster in this case) isn’t that bad.

  14. GearsofTed 4 years ago

    Here’s a question, why hasn’t D’OD ACTUALLY acquired REAL major league ready starters like he said he was going to?? ANd now he is trying to do it at the 11th hour after satisfying his fetish for PTBNL’s. When he could have used Ty Wigginton and Huston Street to acquire real pitchers like Volquez, Blanton etc. Seth Smith is not the type of player that brings back “major league ready” pitchers. To think that they had the audacity to even consider that Smith was worth Prado or Jurrjens is absolutely absurd. 

    • melonis_rex 4 years ago

      I don’t understand the Street trade. 

      Street’s not the kind of player you dump just to dump the salary, which is what they did. 

      Seriously, Street + the Rox paying the salary for someone’s 5th starter would’ve been really plausible. 

      • BobbyJohn 4 years ago

        The initial plan was to wait out the free agent closer’s market and then move Street to a team that was after one of those guys but missed out. I thought that was an excellent strategy and was totally baffled when they sent Street to SD (of all places) for basically nothing in return.

  15. ld303 4 years ago

    Hey Braves fans, you might not want Smith, that’s fine, but stop crying and moaning about how Prado is so much more valuable than him.  Bad news: it’s December 2011, not December 2010.  Prado is now a year closer to free agency and coming off a crappy season.  If this were a year ago and Prado was coming off his 2010 season, those among you saying “Smith and Arenado” wouldn’t be too crazy.  As it stands you sound like lunatics.  

    Prado for Smith straight up is fair given the finances of the situation and the risk the Rockies would be taking that Prado cannot adjust to the league’s adjustment to him.  While Smith might be a crappy fielder (or maybe not, who knows, I hate defensive metrics but at least they mostly agree about him) we know at this point that he’s a plus bat and probably will be for several years.  Prado could be a year or two away from being a 25th man/utility guy if he can’t get his OBP back up to a respectable level.  

    • MWholers 4 years ago

      Lunatics? Hardly. This one’s really not tough for any rational baseball fan…..Smith, a not so young platoon player from Coors Field, is not worth a versatile player of Prado’s caliber- who only played poorly after returning from injury last season. Match up their career norms….and make sure to check out their lefty righty splits…..

      Unless a guy named Fowler or a high level prospect like Wheeler is included…..this is the most laughable rumor of the offseason….

      “Prado for Smith straight up is fair.” Really? Take off your homer glasses.

      • ld303 4 years ago

        Yeah, let’s take a look at their career numbers- Smith’s OPS+ (that’s park adjusted) is 110, Prado’s is 108.  So there you go.  

        You’re right that Smith is basically a platoon guy (although he crushed lefties in limited PAs in 2009) and that Prado gets better value from his versatility.  You’re right that Prado has had the better career and is probably the more talented player.  Unfortunately none of that matters when it’s time to trade.  Trades are about value, right now.  And Prado’s value right now kind of sucks.  Smith’s isn’t any better; Braves fans aren’t undervaluing him too much.  They’re just comically overvaluing Prado.  

        Make all the injury excuses you want, but Prado was straight up miserable last year.  Going forward, he’s a risk to keep doing that until he disappears.  MLB is vicious, it weeds out guys who can’t adjust to adjustments all the time.  I’m not saying Prado is definitely an example of that but at this point he’s a candidate.  His value is right where Smith’s is.  Fast forward to June 2012- if Prado is hitting like he did in 2009 and 2010, his value is way back up.  Or if he’s still hitting like he did in 2011, he’s on his way out of the league.  2011 makes it hard to know which he’s more likely to do.  But we can be pretty sure where Smith’s value will be- he’ll be crushing righties and getting crushed by lefties (or not playing against them), making him a sort of valuable guy.  That’s what Prado is right now too, just with more variance.  I know it’s hard to accept but that’s the way it is.

        • Cory Taylor 4 years ago

          How does Prado’s value right now kind of sucks when no less than a dozen teams were interested in him during the winter meetings?

          • ld303 4 years ago

            Hey Warren Buffett, let me give you a little tip about how asset value works: people tend to try to buy low.  While Prado is a more talented player than Smith, his value is very low right now.  That’s why teams are inquiring on him.  No one is calling the Dodgers about Matt Kemp right now.  Does this mean Prado is a better player?  No, it means Prado has (much) less value.  He might go back to his 2009/2010 self, or he might continue to tank.  Teams are willing to take the chance that it’s the former, that’s why they’re asking. 

          • Cory Taylor 4 years ago

            You might be accurate if 1 or 2 teams were interested in him. The fact that there is so much competition for him would logically increase his value as teams that are genuinely interested in him would increase their offers to outdo the other suitors.

            Competition inflates value

          • ld303 4 years ago

            You’re right, competition for him will help Wren get a better package for him than if just one team were interested, but my point was that the whole reason he’s available right now is that his 2011 has lowered his value to the point where he’s worth trading (which was certainly not the case after 2009 and 2010, especially given his salary at those times).

          • MWholers 4 years ago

            WTH?

            “Prado is a more talented player than Smith.”

            “Does this mean Prado is a better player? No.”

            “Prado has (much) less value.”

            Sounds like you’re arguing with yourself now.

            Keep spinning…..

          • ld303 4 years ago

            Statement #1 refers to a comparison between Prado and Smith.  Statements #2 and #3 refer to a comparison between Prado and Matt Kemp.

            Sounds like you need to work on your reading comprehension.

            Keep trying…..

          • MWholers 4 years ago

            Either way, you’ve stated that Prado for Smith straight up would be a “fair trade.”

            That in itself is enough incriminating evidence to question your overall judgment.

          • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

            I think teams are still interested.  However, they won’t part with the prospects necessary to get him.  They are trying to buy low.

            Martin Prado would rake at Coors Field. They are really crazy not to be willing to give up a couple of solid minor leaguers to get him.

          • BobbyJohn 4 years ago

            With the Rox adding Cuddyer and Colvin, I cannot imagine why they would not include either Blackmon or Wheeler (preferrably Wheeler, from my perspective) with Smith in a deal to get Prado.

            As a Rox fan, I would do that in a heartbeat.

    • Matt Talbert 4 years ago

      Your right there LD, but we have few positional player prospects and we need them kinda bad.  I’d much rather have Arenado than Blackmon or Wheeler.

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      there’s another big reason the Braves are big on “do not want”  Seth Smith.

      The biggest weakness of the Braves: inability to hit left-handed pitching
      Prado is good at that.  Seth Smith has not proven at all he can hit LHP.

      It’s not as much Prado is better (though he is), but because Seth Smith is a horrid fit.

  16. BobbyJohn 4 years ago

    I think with Cuddyer and Colvin now on the roster that O’Dowd may not be as reluctant to put Wheeler or Blackmon in a deal with Smith to get Prado and maybe a low-minors IF or OF prospect (someone not in the top 50 for the Braves).

    Personally, I’m still hoping that O’Dowd increases the scope of the deal and lands Jurrjens along with Prado. There are only a handful of prospects that the Rockies shouldn’t be willing to talk about or include in such a deal, IMO.

  17. thekoshow 4 years ago

    Braves fans, we get it. No need to go suicidal over Seth Smith. At least it’s not Aaron Cook.

  18. So sad that the “Seth Smith for Gio Gonzalez” rumors never started up.  Would’ve been hilarious.

    • Succesful_Troll 4 years ago

      I hear the Nats plan on flipping him for Smith + Wheeler/Blackmon.

  19. BobbyJohn 4 years ago

    Smith + Blackmon + ? for Jurrjens instead, maybe?

  20. The Braves are already too left handed with their lineup. Can’t see them trading one of their better right handed hitters to add another lefty hitter. That would also make their outfield all LHers as I can’t see (and desparately hope) Matt Diaz does not get significant playing time next year.

  21. cheez13 4 years ago

    No need to make comparisons. Prado would play 2B for Rockies. Smith is now a PH/4th OF. He would be a platoon LF for the Braves. Prado is making more money but Smith’s value is less than Prado. Even the most uninformed person has to see that the Rockies are better with Prado…and the Braves maybe could be a little better offensively (assuming Diaz doesn’t decline and Smith doesn’t take a dive away from Coors- didn’t look up his splits) but with less versatitlity….even if you think Smith is a better hitter…its about value to the team. 

  22. Scott Kilby 4 years ago

    damn, you guys talk about Prado like he’s Christ-in-Cleats.

    • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

      If you had watched him play for four years you would understand why.

  23. Prado’s OPS was in the .770 range just prior to getting the staph infection. In May, just before his injury, his OPS was .817. After going on the DL, his OPS dropped 75 points.

  24. knowidyuh 4 years ago

    It’s pretty funny how highly the Braves fans speak of Prado, yet no one is questioning why he’ll be traded. You don’t trade Jesus unless you are rebuilding.  Everyone knows he is available because he is Bobby Crosby. 

    •  Bobby Crosby from 2003-2010 had 1 year w/OPS over .800.
      Prado had + .800 OPS 3 of last 4 years.
      No comparison.

      • knowidyuh 4 years ago

        And if he never has an OPS again over .800 and is out of the league in three years, there is your comparison. 

        • Yes, but he already has 3 years of doing it.
           Also pretty hard to compare someone with lifetime BA of .293 to some one who never hit over .277. Prado has already had 4 years of SLG over .400 while Crosby had only two.
          But, I suppose if you include ‘if’ you could compare him to anyone.

          • knowidyuh 4 years ago

            Please compare him to anyone who is such an impact youth who is being shopped by a team who isn’t rebuilding.  This conversation would have been over before it started had you conceded that stats over sarcasm isn’t always the greatest way to converse, and said, “Jesus is too old for a long term contract.”

          • Huh?
            My point is Prado is a good solid ML ballplayer, but in no way does he compare to Bobby Crosby as you suggest. The stats for Crosby don’t back it up. On the Baseball Reference site, they compare Prado to Jeff Cirillo, another solid MLer..
            Last year was on pace for a typical if slightly down year for Prado when he got the freak injury of staph infection. His numbers plunged after his stay on the DL.
            As far as why the Braves are considering trading him. He is slated to make in the 5-6 mill salary range this year and the Braves are not a team that exceeds their spending limits. Same for Jurrjens with his expected salary bump. And the Braves don’t want to trade their pitching prospects. It’s that simple.

  25. Marinersforever71 4 years ago

    Baltimore Orioles would be a perfect team for Seth Smith since he would be a better upgrade over Luke Scott (better being traded to the Mariners w/ JJ Hardy & Tommy Hunter in a three way trade sending Figgins and a minor-leaguer from Orioles to the Rockies on top of Justin Smoak, Shawn Kelley, and minor-league pitcher Paxton to the O’s). Smith can also hit well at Camden Yards in adition of Mariners also adding Prince Fielder for few years.

  26. bleedrockiepurple 4 years ago

    No where close.

  27. melonis_rex 4 years ago

    Sandy Alderson should be fired if that trade happened. 

  28. melonis_rex 4 years ago

    Sandy Alderson should be fired if that trade happened. 

  29. Snoochies8 4 years ago

    yes he’s under control, but the a’s are looking to get younger, and want guys who are under control for for longer than whoever they’re trading

  30. melonis_rex 4 years ago

    Bailey’s also controlled for 3 more years. 

  31. bleedrockiepurple 4 years ago

    Look back though my posts compared to his before you start saying I’m biased. You only assumed I was bias because of my name, do a little research.

  32. ld303 4 years ago

    “Prado plays 2nd base.  If you compared Prado’s number even in 2011 to a 2nd baseman he is one of the better ones in MLB.”
    No.  Try again.  He hit .260/.302/.385 in 2011.  That’s barely replacement level.  I don’t want to make a list of 2Bs who were better than him in 2011 because it would take too much time.  He wasn’t in the top half of MLB 2Bs last year.  He might not have been in the top 25.

    “His value is intrinstically more valuable than Smith simply because of his versatility.”

    That’s the worst argument I’ve ever seen on MLBTR, which is really saying something.  Hey, Ty Wigginton can play 4 positions too.  Does that make him more valuable than someone like Smith who can actually hit but only plays corner OF?

    “You’re argument that Prado is what he is until he isn’t is just awful.  What do you think is more reflective of Prado the 500-600 PA of last year or the 1500 before then?”

    I like how you present this as a rhetorical question that’s obviously answered on your side of the argument when it’s in fact very much up for debate.  Maybe you’ve heard of these things called scouting reports- in professional sports, every team makes them about every opponent they face.  It allow teams to learn a player’s weaknesses and exploit them.  After that happens, sometimes the player who was being exploited re-adjusts and overcomes the adjustment the league made to them.  Other times, they turn into Mark Fidrych and are never heard from again.  Which will Prado be?  I don’t know, but neither do the Rockies or any other team which is why Prado’s value is much lower now than it was a year ago.

    “You cay say “Prado is this and that” but Prado also had a career low BABIP last year,”

    He also had a career low LD%, which will lead to a worse BABIP, and is not a function of bad luck- it’s a function of bad bat speed and/or an inability to hit pitches that are thrown to the “holes” in your swing.  I know it’s really really hard to accept but Prado is a bit of a question mark right now.  That’s why he’s not worth more than Seth Smith.  Sorry.

  33. Last years Diaz was not the beast he used to be against LH pitchers. OPS 692. For a miserly team like the Braves, that was not a good pickup for the Braves @ the end of last year paying him 2 mill.

  34. Jeff 4 years ago

    Diaz is shot.  I suspect Constanza will make the club ahead of Diaz.

  35. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

    Don’t bother replying to him, anyone who thinks Smith is on par with Prado trade-wise is delusional.

  36. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

    Don’t bother replying to him, anyone who thinks Smith is on par with Prado trade-wise is delusional.

  37. ld303 4 years ago

    OK, so he wasn’t actually “one of the better” 2Bs in MLB in 2011.  Glad we cleared that up, since you said the opposite earlier.

    As for the positional flexibility/value thing, your earlier statement was that “His value is intrinstically more valuable than Smith simply because of his versatility.”  I’m not sure if you know what “intrinsically” means, considering you don’t know how to use you’re/your properly, but your earlier statement says that Prado is more valuable than Smith for the simple fact that he can play multiple positions.  That’s foolish, and I don’t think you meant to say it, but it’s what you said.  If the argument is that Prado’s ability to play 2B and 3B and OF is worth a lot more than Smith’s ability to only play LF and RF, of course you’re right.  If the argument is that Prado’s ability to play those positions makes him automatically more valuable than Smith no matter what, of course you’re wrong.  Earlier it sounded like you were saying the latter.

    You want to make a bet on him bouncing back in 2012, go for it.  It’s not a bad bet.  It’s also not a bad bet to say that he’ll never again hit like he did in 2009 and 2010.  He didn’t have a bad month in 2011, he had a bad 4 months.  He put up 500+ PAs at a .302 OBP.  That’s not just bad, it’s wretched.  I absolutely understand why Braves fans might not want to trade him for Smith straight up.  I understand it.  You guys are supposed to be looking for someone who bats RH anyways.  Just please stop acting like Prado’s 2011 never happened.  That’s the only reason I’ve taken up this argument.  EARTH TO MOUTH BREATHING BRAVES FANS: MARTIN PRADO’S 2011 WAS TERRIBLE.  Terrible enough to drop his trade value to Seth Smith-like levels.  I know it’s hard to believe given how great he was in 2009 and 2010 but it’s true.  Please get over it and stop asking for unrealistic returns for him.

  38. BobbyJohn 4 years ago

    I like Smith, but he’s defensively challenged, to put it mildly. Part of that might be the size of the OF at Coors, and I do think that should be considered, but his range is a bit limited.

    I would add that I do think he could hit lefties if given an honest chance, though. Jim Tracy hasn’t ever really provided him enough consistent opportunities, IMO.

  39. Scott Kilby 4 years ago

    that comment may be the only thing underrated/understated in this post!

  40. i think you are comical.  I am basing that on the fact that your name is virgin thanks to the internet.  I can say, without knowing which team you follow, that you probably like a player on that team more than a non-fan.  its the same for everyone dude. now grow a pair and find a girl in the real world.

  41. Jeff 4 years ago

    He’s a good, popular player who does the right things.  He’s not a superstar, but he’s a solid player who is a building block for a championship team.

  42. ld303 4 years ago

    Watch out, here comes the non-mod mod, laying down the law

  43. seth smith WAR for the last 3 seasons 2011 1.9  2010 1.7  2009 2.9

    martin prado WAR for the last 3 seasons 2011 1.6 2010 4.4  2009 3.2

    even in his worst year of his career(which you have repeatedly called terrible and abysma) smith was only worth 0.2 more wins, when you fail to mention that prado was worth 3 wins more than smith over that previous 2 season

    prado is also rated better in pretty much ever defensive metric there is: UZR, UZR/150, arm strength, arm accuracty, instincts…AND he is rated better in all those catergories when that was his first full season(he had 25 career IP inthe OF prior) playing LF

    not to mention the fact that smith has done what he has in the most productive hitters park in the country and prado has done what he has in what is considered a bad, or neutral at best, hitters park

    is smith a decent player? sure, but he is in no way shape or form more valuable to the braves than prado is

  44. Matt Talbert 4 years ago

    Martin Prado is a legit player.  Sending him and Jurrjens for Smith, Arenado, Blackmon and Wheeler makes great sense. Thing is though that’s an expensive haul in prospects, but to get talent you have to give up talent.

  45. Matt Talbert 4 years ago

    There are Seth Smith types in FA currently and on our farm:  Stephen Gartrell, Adam Milligan (on our farm), and in FA:  (remember a good many of these signed but a few are still available):

    Outfielders
    Bobby Abreu LAA *
    Rick Ankiel WAS
    Carlos Beltran SF
    Milton Bradley SEA
    Pat Burrell SF
    Mike Cameron BOS
    Coco Crisp OAK
    Michael Cuddyer MIN
    Jack Cust SEA
    Johnny Damon TB
    David DeJesus OAK
    J.D. Drew BOS
    Kosuke Fukudome CHC
    Jonny Gomes CIN
    Gabe Gross OAK
    Vladimir Guerrero BAL
    Scott Hairston NYM
    Willie Harris NYM
    Raul Ibanez PHI
    Conor Jackson OAK
    Andruw Jones NYY
    Austin Kearns CLE
    Jason Kubel MIN
    Ryan Ludwick SD
    Hideki Matsui OAK
    Nate McLouth ATL *
    Jason Michaels HOU
    Laynce Nix WAS
    Magglio Ordonez DET
    Juan Pierre CWS
    Juan Rivera TOR
    Cody Ross SF
    Grady Sizemore CLE *
    Matt Stairs WAS
    Nick Swisher NYY *
    Marcus Thames LAD
    Josh Willingham OAKI see no point in ponying up anything for a middling OF when you have some comparitive OF still available.   Yes, a good many of these have signed but a few are still left on the board.   I believe Cody Ross and Coco Crisp (not the power platoon bat but still a solid glove some SB a few homers type of OF).   OF like Seth Smith are a dime a dozen.  Martin Prado’s value lies in his ability to play multiple positions and he’s a bit of a leader (emotionally) the guy plays with absolute heart.  You can’t measure that sabermetrically.   It is very difficult to gauge a player like that.   The truth is, current value is not that high, but you have to look at what he will do the next few years.  Think from a business standpoint.  Guys like Prado can help a team in crunch time.  The guy is money.

  46. ld303 4 years ago

    You’re using the word “value” but you’re not understanding it.  Trade value is about what a guy is likely to do going forward.  What he did in the past can be a guide to that but it’s not definitive.  Saying Prado has higher WAR totals the last few years is not the same as saying he’s a more valuable trade chip.  He was terrible in 2011 and that means he might be terrible in 2012 and that hurts his trade value.  Deal with it. 

    This example is extreme but it might help make my point: say Andrew McCutchen suffered some kind of crazy wrist injury and could no longer swing a bat.  He could still play defense and pinch run, but he could never hit again.  If the Pirates were shopping him around and other teams were offering basically nothing in return, how dumb would the Pirates GM sound if he brought up McCutchen’s WAR totals the last three seasons and said “SEE?  Look how valuable he is!”  Of course this is not Prado’s situation, but the idea is comparable.  There’s a chance that Prado will never again be a plus bat.  That hurts his value.  The fact that he WAS a plus bat in 2009 and 2010 are points in his favor, but they don’t settle the debate.  

  47. Matt Talbert 4 years ago

    Yes….but Prado is a player that fans will warm up to quickly.  Love the way he plays the game, the way its supposed to be played.  You never hear of him getting into any trouble, causing issues in the locker room/clubhouse.  The guy is a class act.

  48. ld303 4 years ago

    Yeah, that Braves were big winners in September, weren’t they?  Where was Prado when they were folding like a house of cards down the stretch?  I understand that intangibles matter, that’s part of the reason the Rockies overpaid for Cuddyer, but they’re not enough to outweigh a .302 OBP.  I do understand that Prado was injured and that that might have played a part in his terrible season.  But it might have been more than that.  We don’t know, and won’t know until a couple months into next season.  In the meantime Braves fans seem to want to act like there’s a 0% chance Prado continues to stink like he did in 2011, which is unrealistic.  It’s certainly not a 100% chance either.  It’s somewhere in the middle.  And that’s why his trade value is low right now.

  49. ld303 4 years ago

    That’s an absurd haul for an SP with injury problems and a 2B/3B coming off a bad season. There’s no chance any trade like that happens for a lot of reasons, but the biggest is that the Braves have to get rid of one (or both) of them before spring training because they’re over payroll.  Teams interested in those guys can wait around until Wren gets desperate.

  50. bleedrockiepurple 4 years ago

    You see Braves fan talk about how valuable Prado is to the Braves more so than any other team due too his versatility to be able to back up Chipper/play left etc. which is understandable, I’m not arguing that he isn’t.

    But that is exactly how the Rox view Arenado. They are putting all their chips in his basket to be the future 3B and without him the organization is empty at the position so he is even more valuable to the Rox than he would be to another organization with either a 3B at the the MLB level or prospects rising at that positoin.

    Not to mention that is an overpay for Jurrjens/Prado. Thats a haul that could have competed to get Gio/Latos who aren’t near as injury prone as Jurrjens.

  51. ld303 4 years ago

    Don’t use big words to try to sound smart if you don’t know what those words mean.  It takes away from your argument when you use them incorrectly.  And don’t get mad when you get called out for it, that’s even worse.

    I’m certainly not saying that Prado’s “2011 defines who he is forever,” I’m saying that it really hurts his value because he MIGHT keep playing like that.  Stranger things have happened.  I just don’t think Braves fans are acknowledging that.  Particularly those bringing up Arenado as a part of the package.

    The other big part of this situation which we haven’t even discussed yet is the fact that the Braves are over payroll and are going to have to deal either Prado, Jurrjens, or both before spring training.  That kills their leverage.  I could maybe see the Rockies getting desperate and offering Smith + Blackmon, but Wheeler isn’t happening.  And I know the Braves want a RHB so Blackmon doesn’t do much, but I think that’s as much talent as O’Dowd will offer.

  52.  braves are not over payroll. we are still a mil or 2 under payroll from what ive read, and liberty has authorized a small bump if need be. we have all the leverage because we have zero need to move anyone, we are a playoff calibur team as is without making a move right now

  53. MWholers 4 years ago

    You clearly don’t know vey much about the Braves, Wren, or Prado’s value. That’s what we have established during this “debate.”

  54. Jeff 4 years ago

    The SP with nagging injury problems that aren’t arm-related (it’s been mostly leg/groin injuries) that was strongly considered to start the All-Star game this year and a guy who was an All-Star in 2010, played out of position, and caught a freak staph infection that ruined his second half?

    I don’t think the Braves can take on much salary if any, but that $5m from selling off Lowe means the Braves won’t be desperate and can stand pat.  Long Term a lot of money comes off the books also (Hudson, Chipper, Lowe’s remaining money is $32mil right there) so even with the arb raises coming, they should be ok.

    2015 is when I’m worried due to a ton of players getting huge arb raises- that’s when things will have to be blown up.

  55. Jeff 4 years ago

    So you’re comparing a staph infection to a shattered wrist?

  56. Jeff 4 years ago

    JJ is much more easily replacable, given the Braves huge amount of starting prospects.  Personally, I think JJ and Prado should be signed long-term (provided each bounces back) and not traded.  JJ would replace Hudson, who I’d let go after this year, and I’d deal Hanson.

    Prado would be the 3B of the future in Atlanta, unless Terdoslavich does something crazy, in which case you keep Prado in LF or as a super-utility.

  57. ld303 4 years ago

    Try reading it again.

  58. ld303 4 years ago

    Well if you keep Jurrjens and Prado but can’t take on other salary, you still have a LF problem, no?

  59. ld303 4 years ago

    I’ll accept your apology in the comments to the MLBTR post in which it’s announced the Braves have traded Prado for a package that isn’t any better than Smith + Blackmon.  (Other possibility is that they trade Jurrjens, who is definitely worth more than Prado, but my money is on Prado being the one who gets shipped out)

  60. Jeff 4 years ago

    If Martin Prado is a LF problem, I can live with that. Hinske/Diaz should be semi-effective when Prado slides to 3B the 50 or so games Chipper doesn’t play.

    If Prado has a bounceback year halfway between 2010 and 2011, which is reasonable, he’s a decent LFer, not a black hole. 

    Hinske’s good when not overexposed, Diaz I’m worried about.

    I’m more worried about SS then LF, though I suspect Pastornicky should at least be replacement level.  I would want to re-sign Jack Wilson as insurance though.

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