Red Sox Notes: Ortiz, Cespedes, Madson, Bell

Now that they have a new manager, the Red Sox can focus on improving their roster at next week's winter meetings. Here's the latest from Boston…

  • Bobby Valentine was introduced as the Red Sox's new manager yesterday, and today he flew down to the Dominican Republic to meet with free agent DH David Ortiz according to Peter Abraham of The Boston Globe. "I've said 1,000 times that I want to come back to the Red Sox," said Ortiz.
  • Valentine's trip to the Dominican Republic will not include any kind of visit with Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes due to a schedule conflict, reports Jim Bowden of MLB Network (on Twitter).
  • The Red Sox continue to maintain dialogue with agent Scott Boras about free agent closer Ryan Madson, tweets Bowden. They also had discussions with Heath Bell's agent before he agreed to join the Marlins, reports WEEI.com's Rob Bradford.
  • Boston's priorities (in order) are Ortiz, a closer, a starting pitcher, and a right-handed hitting outfielder tweets Bowden.
  • Regardless of who they hired to manage, the Red Sox did not intend to lose hitting coach Dave Magadan according to The Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo (on Twitter).


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63 Comments on "Red Sox Notes: Ortiz, Cespedes, Madson, Bell"


EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 8 months ago

I wish the Sox would put pitching a head of Ortiz in terms of importance. 

Threat_Level_RedSox
3 years 8 months ago

I think they have, thats why Ortiz has been talking to the media over the past week.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 8 months ago

And that’s why Bobby Valentine’s first order of business is going to the Dominican to “recruit” Ortiz right? 

Threat_Level_RedSox
3 years 8 months ago

Ortiz apparently has had offers for over the past two weeks and yet all has been doing is talking to the boston based media for the past week, It sounds like he might not like the market. As for Bobby V. flying down to see him, Its Not Chery, or Henry or Larry L., He’s not going to make an offer he is thier to sum up Ortiz and determine his ‘role’ if any on next years team and play golf in Papi’s charity event.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 8 months ago

Valentine is who Ortiz will be directly dealing with during the season as he is the manager. Valentine could be trying to convince him to take a lesser deal or accept arbitration. 

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

Or Ortiz could be one of the players who reportedly voiced concerns about “someone like Valentine” being the manager and Bobby is down there trying to convince him that he’s really not that bad of a guy.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

makes the most sense

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

“Boston’s priorities (in order) are Ortiz, a closer, a starting pitcher, and a right-handed hitting outfielder tweets Bowden.”

That sounds almost exactly backward to me; par for the course with Bowden I guess.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

i’m fine with ortiz being the first priority if that means ruling him out up front

Crucisnh
3 years 8 months ago

I’m not that worried about the RHH RF-er all that much.  I’m more concerned about pitching, starting, closer, and general bullpen.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, that’s actually why I said almost exactly; I would put starting pitching first.

3 years 8 months ago

Ortiz should be the least of the Sox priorities. Not having a set DH allows for Youkilis or even Gonzalez to have a day off and just hit. Their priorities should be starting pitching, bullpen, and getting a right handed hitting OF. But then again they already dropped the ball by hiring Bobby Valentine

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 8 months ago

Agreed. Odds are Ortiz will give the Sox one last shot to sign him before he accepts another offer.

BoSoXaddict
3 years 8 months ago

Papi has already said that he will give the Sox the opportunity to match any offer he gets before making a decision.

3 years 8 months ago

I like most of what you said.  Starting pitching and closer/bullpen are 1a and 1b to me.  And unless you’re Nostradumus one can’t tell how B.V. will be as the manager.  Let’s hope for the best with him, Crawford coming around, injured players getting heathy and contributing and an immunity to the injury-bug in ’12. 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I might prioritize bullpen. If you can bring in a Madson and maybe another set up guy on the cheap to go with him and Jenks at the back end, you could put Daniel Bard in the rotation.

They’d save a heck of a lot of money given the best starter on the market wants $100 million… as long as they don’t screw him up like the Yankees did with Joba.

Crucisnh
3 years 8 months ago

I think that if Ortiz is allowed to walk, there’s a strong chance that Lavarnway would get a chance to be the (mostly) regular DH, with Youk getting AB’s there as well to keep him fresh.

BoSoXaddict
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah, I think it’s pretty obvious that if the Sox DON’T resign Papi that the DH will be filled internally and on somewhat of a rotating basis.

hawkny1
3 years 8 months ago

Thye big question of the day now is………. who is gonna coach third base?  Chosing the right individual can mean the difference between winning 90 games and 100 during a ful season of 162 games….

Slopeboy
3 years 8 months ago

Stevie Wonder wouldn’t be much of a downgrade from the previous 3B coach.

hawkny1
3 years 8 months ago

Perhaps, if Ortiz lost 40 lbs…he could spell Gonzo at 1st once in a while.

jgmaynard
3 years 8 months ago

Well, it’s easier than spelling Mientkiewicz… :)

hawkny1
3 years 8 months ago

This is an absolute truth!

Crucisnh
3 years 8 months ago

Gonzo isn’t the sort of player that needs or wants to be rested much.  

3 years 8 months ago

 I don’t understand the Sox anymore.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

with 888 comments on WEEI, i’m not confident you ever did

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

bringing it back….

boom. roasted.

3 years 8 months ago

joe nathan been signed we need to sign Madson get cuddyer sign ortiz and get a sp thats all they need and maybe bullpen help considering how much jenks pitched last year

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

bobby valentine ryan madson michael cuddyer and re-signing ortiz would be close to the worst possible outcome for me

Jim McGrath
3 years 8 months ago

Pitching should be the #1 priority. I’m hopeful that Ben has a list of starting pitchers he’s planning to inquire about.
My Targets: Dan Haren would be my #1 choice. Buehrle would be #2.
Other targets: Matt Garza, either Colby Lewis or Matt Harrison from Texas as part of a trade for Beckett. Doubrount and Alex Wilson should get a shot from the farm.
Bullpen Targets: Matt Thornton, Capps, Bailey, Cordero or KRod.
OF: Beltran, Cody Ross,

Ned Gold
3 years 8 months ago

puttin’ the ‘mad’ in madmc44!

Jim McGrath
3 years 8 months ago

Pitching should be the #1 priority. I’m hopeful that Ben has a list of starting pitchers he’s planning to inquire about.
My Targets: Dan Haren would be my #1 choice. Buehrle would be #2.
Other targets: Matt Garza, either Colby Lewis or Matt Harrison from Texas as part of a trade for Beckett. Doubrount and Alex Wilson should get a shot from the farm.
Bullpen Targets: Matt Thornton, Capps, Bailey, Cordero or KRod.
OF: Beltran, Cody Ross,

3 years 8 months ago

Mark my words–> Ortiz eventually re-signs with the Sox, they sign Zumaya to setup and Madson to close, then move Bard and Renaudo to the rotation.  Cuddyer is a bonus.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

Ortiz – maybe, but I’m starting to doubt it
Zumaya – maybe
Madson – no
Bard – doubtful
RAnaudo – not a chance, not even a small one
Cuddyer – no, and wouldn’t be anything close to a “bonus”

BoSoXaddict
3 years 8 months ago

Ranaundo’s ETA is more like 2013 or later..

JDortmunder
3 years 8 months ago

   So what’s the order of RHHOF preference?  Beltran(b), Cuddyer, Cespedes, Merten depending on what they want to spend?

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

I still don’t understand the fascination with Cuddyer.  The guy is a bad defender and a barely above league average hitter, not to mention that fact that he’s older and people are expecting him to get a 3 year deal.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 8 months ago

He could certainly try to convince him to accept arbitration, or try and convince him to accept a lesser deal than 3 years. 

Slopeboy
3 years 8 months ago

You shouldn’t dismiss the trip to Ortiz as just a trivial public relations gimmick, it’s important. Right now Valentine needs to more politican than manager. Seeing that he is a Lucchino hire, and judging by most of the fan reaction here, along with the snippy and baited questions at the news conference yesterday, Valentine needs to make his players his friends quickly.

His critiques about players throughout the year didn’t sit too well with some of the Red Sox stars that he’s going to need in coming season, so he’s going to have to reach out and ‘play nice’. He started trying to do so with the way he praised Pedroia, knowing that he and tito were tight.

Don’t be surprised to see him make trips to or at least meet with Beckett and Crawford, two guys that he singled out this year in his analyst job, in an attempt to get off on the all important right foot.
While you’re right, the DH shouldn’t be at the top of priorities list, it’s not about that, it’s about setting the table for the season.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 8 months ago

Farrell’s contract is up in two years as well I believe. If the Jays do not extend him before that…I’m hoping Farrell is his guy. 

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 8 months ago

I agree with you there.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

I was under the impression that he enjoyed managing for the blue jays and likes a lot of the prospects they have coming up.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

wishlist:

– beltran (2/$30M with an option)
– oswalt (2/$25M with incentives)
– thornton (reddick+)
– zumaya (incentive-laden deal)

let ortiz, varitek, wakefield, wheeler walk. with reddick in chicago, beltran starts in right field. he, youk, and lavarnway use the DH slot to hopefully limit wear & tear. zumaya/bargain bin relievers fill in behind jenks thornton and bard closing

Crucisnh
3 years 8 months ago

What makes you think that Cespedes is going to be major league ready?  I seriously doubt that he is.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

As good, or as likeable, as those guys are I really think that the only one who could potentially end up hurting the Sox would be Epstein.  But with Cherington, and most of the rest of the baseball operations staff still in place I don’t see that one making much of a difference either, if at all.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

why are you guys such big fans of farrel? i don’t remember people thinking so much of him when he left

i can understand preferring him to the options that were available this year, but he’s not a guy i’d covet in the future

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

If Beltran and Oswalt will accept those deals I agree 100%

Slopeboy
3 years 8 months ago

Wow. I’m surprised you would offer Beltran and Oswalt that kind of money. I like both of them, I believe they can still perform, but I also believe they can be had for less money. Both have age, are coming off injury and are no longer the marquee names in the market. I don’t see them having the juice to command that type of salary anymore.

As I said, I really like both of them, but I wouldn’t offer more than $25MM for 2yrs with the team option for Beltran. Oswalt  gets 2 Yrs $20MM with a team option. Tables turned somewhat, usually the Yankees fan is throwing around money and the Sox fan being frugal.

chowdah219
3 years 8 months ago

Beltran 15mm per…lol…no..same with giving old man oswalt 12.5…sorry, but ..no again…

BoSoXaddict
3 years 8 months ago

I’d much rather start Reddick or Kalish than pay Beltran 15 mil a year. 12 or 13 mil a year would be more like it..

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

wishful-list*

i’d possibly move up on salary, but wouldn’t give either player a third guaranteed year. i still wouldn’t want cuddyer or willingham in that case, though, and would instead just let reddick keep the job and go in a different direction with the bullpen

EarlyMorningBoxscore
3 years 8 months ago

I think him leaving had a real impact on the pitching rotation and that he wasn’t given enough credit as a pitching coach. I feel like he knows the game well and would be a great manager for the Sox. 

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

he wasn’t all that impressive for the jays.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

I think he’d make a great pitching coach for the Red Sox, manager I’m not so sure about.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

also cherington’s speaking voice is just freakishly similar to epstein’s. with your eyes closed you couldn’t tell the difference

once a year they should each do a trade for the other’s team

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

Definitely agree about Willingham and Cuddyer, I don’t want either one of them within 10 feet of a Red Sox uniform.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

you’ve never heard me complain about the yankees spending money; i just criticize bad contracts. it’s almost always the length of the contract that bothers me and not the salary. boston’s a huge market and i’d rather see the money on the field than in henry’s pocket

with those two players in particular, it’s all about risk management. the talent is there, but they both have injury & age concerns. i’d be much happier overpaying for them for 2 seasons than giving a lower salary but being on the hook for their age 37 and 36 seasons respectively

having said that, i’ll be thrilled if they come for cheaper with team or mutual options. vesting options wouldn’t interest me. but i expect boston to have to overpay oswalt a little bit to get him to go there – and beltran had a great year in 2011

bjfan
3 years 8 months ago

He was given a team that was expected to win 60/65 games and be dead last.  He had them play .500 in the toughest division.  That is why the sox wanted him.

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 8 months ago

Actually I think Ortiz would come back to Boston if the difference wasn’t too large. That’s just my gut feeling though.

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

did anyone expect the jays to be worse than the orioles? they were 85-77 in 2010

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

 actually I’m pretty sure Jose Bautista, Yunel Escobar, Brett Lawrie, Ricky Romero and Jose Bautista had a bit more to do with the fact that they finished .500

Yes I know I listed Jose twice.

bjfan
3 years 8 months ago

quite a few of the “experts” thought the Jays had taken a step back, while the O’s had signed some FA’s, and would be much better.

Andrew Rosner
3 years 8 months ago

They’re looking into possibly making Bard a starter going forward…The Sox want to get a closer externally