Mariners, Yankees Swap Pineda For Montero

The Mariners needed hitting, the Yankees needed pitching.  The two teams addressed each other's needs in a blockbuster trade of young stars, as right-handers Michael Pineda and Jose Campos will go to the Bronx in exchange for catcher/DH Jesus Montero and righty Hector Noesi.  Both teams confirmed the trade this afternoon.

Pineda

The Yankees re-signed C.C. Sabathia and Freddy Garcia this winter, but those moves amounted to just standing pat with a rotation that (after Sabathia) contained several question marks.  In Pineda, however, the Yankees now have one of the top young arms in the game and one who has already showed he can perform at the Major League level.  Pineda (pictured) posted a 3.74 ERA, a 3.15 K/BB ratio and a 9.1 K/9 rate in 28 starts last season, earning an All-Star appearance and a fifth-place finish in the AL Rookie Of The Year vote.  Pineda recently turned 23 and is under club control through 2016.

Campos, 19, is another intriguing young arm.  John Sickels of Minor League Ball ranked Campos as the fifth-best prospect in Seattle's system going into 2012, noting that while Campos' secondary pitches need some polish, "his upside is very high, he throws hard, and already throws strikes."  Campos is coming off a dominant campaign in low Class-A ball in 2011, posting a 2.32 ERA and a whopping 6.54 K/BB in 14 starts.  Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears from an NL executive that if Campos was in this year's amateur draft, "he is [a] no-doubt top-10 pick" (Twitter link).

Montero was a top-four prospect in both 2010 and 2011 according to Baseball America and the 22-year-old showed why when he posted a .996 OPS in 69 September plate appearances.  Montero was drafted as a catcher but questions about his defensive capabilities had several pundits projecting his long-term future to be at designated hitter or first base.  In New York, these spots will be blocked by Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez for the next several seasons, but the bat-starved Mariners have plenty of room in the lineup.  Montero immediately projects as Seattle's probable #3 hitter, splitting time between DH and catcher, and it's easy to see Montero hitting behind Dustin Ackley for years to come.

Montero was very nearly a Mariner in July 2010, as he headlined a prospect package the Yankees were ready to send to Seattle for Cliff Lee.  The M's, however, pulled out of that trade and ended up dealing Lee to the Rangers.  Yankees management was reportedly upset that the Mariners pulled out of the deal at the last minute, but whatever hard feelings existed between the two clubs clearly weren't enough to keep them from doing business 18 months later.

Noesi appeared in 30 games for New York last season (two of them starts), posting a 4.47 ERA and a 2.05 K/BB ratio.  Noesi turns 25 later this month and amassed impressive numbers over six seasons in the Yankee farm system.  Noesi should get a shot at filling Pineda's rotation spot in Seattle and could blossom at pitcher-friendly Safeco Field. 

Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com was the first to announce the trade as official, with MLB.com's Greg Johns adding Campos and Noesi's involvement.  ESPN's Jerry Crasnick first heard of a "significant trade" involving a "young impact hitter" coming to the Mariners earlier today, and Larry Stone of the Seattle Times was the first to cite Pineda and Montero in the deal, as he had heard "rumblings in that direction."

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560 Comments on "Mariners, Yankees Swap Pineda For Montero"


95isOver
3 years 7 months ago

Good for both sides.

Edit: 1st! :)

Lastings
3 years 7 months ago

Congratulations! So much for the “quiet” Yankees offseason…

Infield Fly
3 years 7 months ago

Well now…I guess we just learned how “untouchable” Montero really was!

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Montero was never Untouchable alone. What Cashman said was Untouchable was trading 2 of Montero, Betances and Banuelos for 1 player (or I should really say 1 pitcher).

$1519287
3 years 7 months ago

Maybe so, but from what I recall “not untouchable alone” was something that came about more recently. For quite some time it was as if he could not be touched. How time flies!

Infield Fly
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah – even last offseason. I don’t necessarily see that as a knock on him though.

metsman
3 years 7 months ago

now the Yankees only have two blue chip catchers, must be tough.

Infield Fly
3 years 7 months ago

Awful! The Mets would be lucky to have such a “hardship.” :p

3 years 7 months ago

So, your complaining that the Yankees are not planning for a future.  You must be a met fan.

metsman
3 years 7 months ago

Or maybe you’re to dim too understand sarcasm…a typical yankee fan, unable to show any grace with regard to the good fortune their franchise has…

jamison_m
3 years 7 months ago

I was thinking the same thing about Michael Pineda haha

diesel2410
3 years 7 months ago

No I still think Seattle got shafted 

nepp
3 years 7 months ago

They got royally shafted.  A future DH/1B is not good value for a future Ace.

3 years 7 months ago

And they had to throw In Campos, which seems completely unnecessary.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 7 months ago

I like how all DH/1B are suddenly bad players now

3 years 7 months ago

Saying he’s a future ace without a formidable changeup is an extremely bold prediction.

3 years 7 months ago

Saying he’s a future ace without a formidable changeup is an extremely bold prediction.

Robert5286
3 years 7 months ago

Seattle are idiots! Trading Fister and Pineda with in ten months will devastate the franchise for years to come. Had they kept both, and signed C.J. Wilson, or even Kuroda, along with Hernandez,they could have had a real shot this season. At this point, they may as well trade Felix,too.

3 years 7 months ago

Seattle has among the deepest pitching in the minor leagues of all of baseball. They have Hultzen, Paxton, Taijuan Walker, just to name a few. They are loaded with pitching.  They get back Noesi who can take Pineda’s place in the lineup.  I think this was a fair trade for both sides, with both teams addressing needs.  This really could turn out either way, depending on future development of Montero/Pineda which is almost impossible to predict

3 years 7 months ago

with all the pitching comeing up they could afford to trade pineda. they had felix,lee,bedard,fister and vargas at one time ans couldnt win with that beacause they had no offense. trade needed to be done.

imachainsaw
3 years 7 months ago

fly ball pitcher going to yankee bandbox, nope.
but then again montero probably isn’t going to be great in safeco either soo…

nepp
3 years 7 months ago

Safeco Field is death to RHBs…

Tim Valencia
3 years 7 months ago

actually its death to LHB, which is the opposite of  yankee stadium, ironically, pineda has trouble with……. Left handed hitters.

3 years 7 months ago

No, left field is the issue. This is is why Beltre, Sexson, etc. have struggled. It has always been a theory among Mariners fans that a left-handed power hitter would do very well, we’ve just failed to ever get anything better than Raul Ibanez.

marinersfan44
3 years 7 months ago

yes left field is the issue. and montero has showed his oppo- power and also the mariners are trying to get fielder. he would make the mariners a serious threat

marinersfan44
3 years 7 months ago

yes left field is the problem. montero has shown his oppo-power and mariners have a shot at fielder. he would make them a threat

JDG
3 years 7 months ago

nope, Safeco is death to right-handers, at least as far as the longball is concerned.

3 years 7 months ago

they are death to dead pull right handers. montero has power to all fields and he uses it. he will not have a problem in safeco.

chico65
3 years 7 months ago

So you think Pineda will become a pinata in the bronx?

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

As the Yankees sign Fielder for DH…..

FunkyTime
3 years 7 months ago

Oh my god … if that happens I may jump off of a bridge.

RedEyedDream
3 years 7 months ago

That will not happen! 

Wrek305
3 years 7 months ago

That will NOT happen. Prince is likely to go to Texas so then they can flip Moreland for Garza straight up. It’s as fair as trade as you can get. plus Rizzo won’t be ready til 2014 and by then Moreland can be flipped in 2013 for pitchers. Honestly it’s a no brainier for Texas to try to get Fielder to a 5-6 yr contract, with options for a 7th and maybe an 8th yr, with an opt out clause at year 4.

Hoosierdaddy92
3 years 7 months ago

thats a terrible trade for the Cubs. They could get way more for Garza

Wrek305
3 years 7 months ago

Of course they can do better the Rangers would need to throw in a prospect or two. Plus the Rangers would be potentially a 110+ win team with Garza and Yu on their pitching Staff along with their best guy who will easily get 70 mil on the Open market with Derrek Holland. If they got Prince in that line up they will automatically be better then Anaheim not that they aren’t better without him because half the Angels lineup the players are at least 30 Hunter, Wells and Pujols are all 34 and older.

3 years 7 months ago

What? Why in the world?

3 years 7 months ago

not so bad. both players have huge upside

3 years 7 months ago

Who trades a 22 year old pitcher with tremendous upside. It would be a different story if he was a prospect but at 22 years old and having a 3.74 ERA in your first big league season? Seattle got hosed in my opinion. Huge win for the Yankees.

3 years 7 months ago

A team that has one of the most dominant pitchers in the game. A team that just added an Ace from Japan and a team that has 4 FOUR potential front like starters comming up… Not to mention they need offense,,,, thats who makes that trade. And by you saying the yankees made a “huge win” it shows you dont know much about baseball and ZERO about Montero.

3 years 7 months ago

Pineda established himself as a big league picther at 22 years old. They have 4 potential front line starters coming up? What happens if they crash and burn? They’re prospects which crash and burn all the time, they’re not established like Pineda was. I know a lot more about baseball then you my friend.

3 years 7 months ago

Pineda’s one logged season hardly makes him “established.”

3 years 7 months ago

He’s a mile ahead of Montero.

jamison_m
3 years 7 months ago

The Mariners have a lot of promising pitching and almost zero promising offense so I can understand the gamble. I was admittedly horrified when I got my ESPN text alert telling me Pineda was gone, but the more I think about it, the more I’m comfortable with the move. I keep thinking to myself, maybe we just found the next Jay Buhner (in terms of finding a helluva bat from the yanks)…

Go Mariners!!!

Tvators
3 years 7 months ago

pineda is established w/ 1 season? which he tired towards the end, has serious trouble w/ Left handed batters and is moving from pitchers paradise in a weak division to launching pad in baseballs best division, expect serious step back for Pineda stats, but increase in wins

3 years 7 months ago

Well the volatility in pitching is fairly significant.  If this trade was made last offseason everyone would think the Yankees got shafted.  It’s very fair.

harmony55
3 years 7 months ago

It’s five years of a pitcher who turns 23 this month for six years of a DH/catcher who turned 22 in November.

The trade addresses each team’s immedate needs.

3 years 7 months ago

See I would like to believe you but why with the Yankees being so old would they be so willing to always include their “top” prospect Montero? I think this kid is a huge bust as a prospect. Pineda has such huge upside. Very bad deal for Seattle.

PennMariner
3 years 7 months ago

You’re calling him a bust when all he’s done at the major league level is post a .996 OPS in 18 games. I agree that the Yankees came out winners in the deal, but your brash conclusions seem a bit short-sighted.

3 years 7 months ago

You’re right I shouldn’t have said bust. If Montero was such a stud prospect why are they always willing to give him up in every single trade?

padresfuture
3 years 7 months ago

Because Montero has been traded so often.

Kahlen Burgwin
3 years 7 months ago

Because they are loaded offensively and want a stud pitcher in return?

3 years 7 months ago

because they have no place for him….

3 years 7 months ago

NYY has a massive budget that can afford to put star players into spots that they can ill-afford to let star prospects grow into. If they would have put Montero in the DH spot, they could run the risk of clogging a position that gives them a lot of flexibility (DH) while risking Montero’s trade value if he comes up and doesn’t perform well in an intense situation. SEA is taking a huge risk in that he’ll pay off – one that I wouldn’t take especially after seeing Smoak – but they were desperate for a player with a huge upside. 

I wonder if this means they won’t submit a bid for Fielder.

3 years 7 months ago

This has been the best explanation yet. Bravo.

tbrays2011
3 years 7 months ago

The Yankees will benefit from this trade much more quickly than Seattle.  With the Yankees Pineda will be a 15-16 game winner.  Adding this bat to the Seattle lineup will not replace the wins that he provided last year. Pitching and good defense produce wins. As a Rays fan I hate this trade because it will make the Yankees even more difficult to beat.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

Dude….”every single trade”? Let’s analyze the pitchers (never mentioned in a trade for a hitter) that the Yanks have been willing to “give him away” for.

Santana…Halladay….Lee…Hernandez.

Gee, Yanks really don’t think much of him.

Pitchers they were unwilling to deal him for but teams were rumored to demand.

Garza, Gio, Danks, Greinke, Liriano and Jiminez.

I am a HUGE Montero fan and dealing him must be difficult.This trade could easily end up bad for the Yanks but I give Cashman credit for holding out as long as he did and getting a pitcher with Pineda’s age and upside for him. 

I’m also a fan of Noesi and expect him to be a good mlb pitcher but we didn’t have space for him and Campos looks like he can be a good prospect too.

tbrays2011
3 years 7 months ago

The Yankees will benefit from this trade much more quickly than
Seattle.  With the Yankees Pineda will be a 15-16 game winner.  Adding
this bat to the Seattle lineup will not replace the wins that he
provided last year. Pitching and good defense produce wins. As a Rays
fan I hate this trade because it will make the Yankees even more
difficult to beat.

3 years 7 months ago

Pineda last year was worth 3.4 WAR.  A catcher who has a league average bat is worth about 3 WAR.  I have no doubt that Montero will be at least an average bat and Seattle will not see much fall off if any. 

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

Wait what? When exactly were they “willing to give up” Montero? Oh, you mean for that scrub Cliff Lee? That’s the only trade I recall where he was included in. And Cliff Lee is a beast! You should know if you’re an Ms fan. The reason they DIDN’T give up Montero for Garza, Gio, etc proves the opposite of your point. So… now what were you saying? 

backtrack backtrack backtrack

3 years 7 months ago

Carlos Gonzalez was traded twice while being a stud prospect.  Carlos Santana was also traded for Casey Blake.  Adrian Gonzalez, Cameron Maybin, Elvis Andrus and Adam Jones were a few more that were traded as young players. 

Being the centerpiece of a trade for a top young pitcher hardly constitutes the Yankees having doubts about him or giving him away.  It takes value to get value and smart teams trade the valuable pieces they don’t have room for on the big league roster. 

3 years 7 months ago

Montero is a DH.  The Yankees can use him at DH the next year or two, but they’d be best served keeping the spot open.  They traded from a position of strength for a position of need.  Seattle did the same thing.  Both teams got better.

3 years 7 months ago

Seeing the package the Padres got for Latos, sure seems as if they could have gotten a lot more then Montero.

3 years 7 months ago

If you believe that Jose Campos would be a top-10 pick in the amateur draft, then SEA just got the wool pulled over their eyes.

3 years 7 months ago

Montero is a much better hitter than any of the players the Reds sent to the Padres. 

3 years 7 months ago

As Justin Smoak fell into the shadows in Seattle, I fear Montero may follow him…

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

I agree Matt not a Montero fan and Pineda just believe they could have gotten more.

3 years 7 months ago

I’m certainly surprised that Pineda didn’t get more. Look what Latos got…and I would have given my first born, my wedding night with my wife, and my mom for Michael Pineda over Mat Latos.

3 years 7 months ago

You’re going to see Smoak hitting quite well this year.

3 years 7 months ago

…in AAA.

jamison_m
3 years 7 months ago

Lol… funny but no.

nyjose
3 years 7 months ago

i am a yankees fan  but i think you cant judge this trade just yet at first hand the yankees look like they got  the upper hand i think montero showed last year that he is for real and right now he is the mariner power threat

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

But when you bet Pineda and Campos a Top Prospect for Montero and Noresi with the value of pitching the way it is.

harmony55
3 years 7 months ago

Each team valued pitching differently depending on the team’s depth.

The trade addressed each team’s needs.

3 years 7 months ago

I was taking you seriously until you said that Montero showed he was for real in 18 games.  Chris Davis proved he was for real in 80 games in 2008.

3 years 7 months ago

Where in the world is Chris Davis? Baltimore? Weird.

PennMariner
3 years 7 months ago

Smoak was absolutely tearing it up last season until his father passed away in late April, at which point his production hit a brick wall. I’m almost 100% confident that we’ll be hearing his name with regularity in 2012.

nepp
3 years 7 months ago

Tearing it up…until late April.

Okay then.

3 years 7 months ago

It was more like late June when he injured his thumb and tried to play through it.

3 years 7 months ago

Smoak was hampered by injuries last year. Before that, he was doing great and when he finally returned healthily, he had a good September. Definitely wouldn’t give up on him yet.

3 years 7 months ago

Pineda’s fantasy value just doubled.

Ichiroll
3 years 7 months ago

Or dropped considering he now plays in the wiffle ball park.

nm344
3 years 7 months ago

quite the opposite.

3 years 7 months ago

why? now he has to face the Rays, BoSox and Jays 54 times instead of 36 games against the Rangers and Angels.

3 years 7 months ago

Why did you say Rangers and Angels, and not Oakland to prove your point?  Rangers have an excellent offense, and the Angels is pretty intimidating with Pujols.  Oakland’s offense sucks, but the Rays’ aren’t exactly frightening either (though probably underrated)

3 years 7 months ago

more games against quality lineups. oakland are terrible. you can add the fact that YS, skydome and fenway are usually pretty strongly hitters parks.

BaseballFanatic0707
3 years 7 months ago

The Rays do not feature a quality lineup.

3 years 7 months ago

scored 800+ runs 2 of the last 3 years. i’d say they’re pretty good.

3 years 7 months ago

And yet that non quality lineup of the Rays scored significantly more runs than the Angels and A’s. 

Chris Hernandez
3 years 7 months ago

uhhh What do I have to say about this trade, guys?

3 years 7 months ago

Ken Griffey Jr Jr & Jay Buhner Jr also involved

3 years 7 months ago

Trey plays Football

inleylandwetrust
3 years 7 months ago

Finally some exciting news

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

Seattle overpay.

Alyoyo
3 years 7 months ago

Beautiful move…

3 years 7 months ago

no! no! as a Yankee fan I do not like this move one bit

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

. . .  Why?

3 years 7 months ago

well I guess I can’t say so for sure until we find out who the other included players are but pitchers are always a risk to burn out and Montero has shown some serious potential. Why not just throw Banuelos or Betances into the rotation next season and give Montero a shot as a young hitter in our lineup

GMwannabe
3 years 7 months ago

the Yankees beat Seattle over in this deal.. a stud SP for a DH?? be happy.. as a Sox fan, I am not

3 years 7 months ago

Seattle fan checking in…  That stud pitcher is going to need to work on that 5.12 2nd Half ERA – You may also want to check out the HOME and AWAY splits on the entire season.  Don’t get me wrong.  Pineda will be missed but you need to do a little research.  

GMwannabe
3 years 7 months ago

you mean a young pitcher wore down in the 2nd half of a season? that must be the first time.. enjoy your full time DH

3 years 7 months ago

Good thing he’s taking that 4.40 AWAY ERA to a pitcher’s park.  

3 years 7 months ago

Enjoy your $16,000,000 DH – Seems the Sox put a priority on the position.  

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Because the Yankees offense is one of the best either way, and they need pitching (and Banuelos and Betances haven’t shown that they are ready to handle the majors).  Even with Pineda there is plenty of room in the rotation for one of Banuelos or Betances if they force their way into the rotation.

3 years 7 months ago

This is true. However, I would’ve liked for them to keep Montero around to replace Martin after the season at catcher. People complain about his defense, but we won  four championships with a not defensively sound catcher, and Montero looks to have a higher ceiling at the plate than Posada had. Oh well… I’m very happy to have a young power arm in my rotation though, don’t get me wrong

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Montero has more upside at the plate than Posada, but according to most people who are paid to know these things he wont even be Posada behind the plate.  In the words of Kevin Goldstein “his natural position is DH.”

jammin502
3 years 7 months ago

Looking at the Yankees top 10 prospects, 4 of them are catchers … well now 3.

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

Gregg bird their highes paid draft pick is also a cathcer

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

I much rather of sacrificed this season and waited for hamels or someone like that, then give up a great hitter, i could care less what position he played he had huge offensive potential. 

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

 But what do you do with him when A-Rod has to play DH? And while those other pitchers would be as good, they would also be infinitely more expensive than Pineda, and by all accounts the Yankees are trying to get under the luxury tax by 2014.

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

 You try to wait it out until tex leaves put miontero behind the plate on some days and what not but this makes it easier,  it was just really hard to take initially.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Teix is there through 2016, you can’t just wait that out.  A-Rod is going to need to be the everyday DH long before that, and Montero would be close to free agency by that point anyway.

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

ya, i thought it was 15 i wouldn’t of minded montero as a catcher for a yr as  i think arod can man 3rd for two more seasons. He can be signed in 5 years and would still be in his prime but that’s so far. I’m liking the trade better by the minute though andhaving that dh hole will help.

JTT11
3 years 7 months ago

sacrificed this season?  thats heresy for Yankee fans.  you should be burned at the stake.

3 years 7 months ago

after a comment like this, i figure u havent seen pineda pitch. just as montero, pineda has the potential to become a superstar player. this trade seems completely fair. the mariners need a bat and the yanks need a pitcher, so hard to understand?? easy thing

3 years 7 months ago

well I’ve never seen Pineda pitch to be fair but I have seen Montero absolutely rake. Oh well…that second prospect we got actually looks to be good too

FunkyTime
3 years 7 months ago

Second prospect?  Pineda is not a prospect.  Take a look at his stats in 28 starts in the majors as a 22 year old and rethink that statement.

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Rangers fan and Pineda a stud good deal for Yankees

YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah I was a little shocked Campos was included in the deal too. Sickles had him ranked their 5th best prospect.

I will say this….Hector Noesi is going to be a very good pitcher for them too. I think he can be a solid #3 in that ballpark.

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah but Yanks robbed Seattle but as with all trades only time will tell

m4r1n3r
3 years 7 months ago

Only the Mariners ALSO gave up another top quality pitching prospect as well. Pineda for Montero straight across. That should have been all it takes. Bad deal for the Mariners. Yankees got their revenge looks like.

sonofsnake
3 years 7 months ago

Don’t punt on Hector Noesi, he could very well out-pitch Michael Pineda’s numbers from last season this year.  

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Wow!! 

Last time you’ll see this avatar. Montero #63. 

Lastings
3 years 7 months ago

Oh my goodness! I’m so sad…

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

It’s a fair deal. When the initial headline came across “young impact hitter” I honestly thought Snyder from Jays or someone from Tigers. I didn’t expect this deal. I’m ok with it. 

Lastings
3 years 7 months ago

It was a sarcastic remark referring to the last time we will ever see your avatar…

…As far as the trade goes, it can impact both clubs accordingly. The Mariners are stacked with pitching and need offense desperately. I don’t know if Montero will have a huge impact on their lineup though. That’s my concern, and I was really impressed with Pineda last season.

Casor_Greener
3 years 7 months ago

Snyder is not a impact hitter

3 years 7 months ago

Snider.

Lastings
3 years 7 months ago

Him too…

3 years 7 months ago

Cory Snyder?

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

 I’d love it if I were a Yankee fan.  It stinks to give up such a good young player in Montero, but you’re getting another great young player in Pineda and he fills an area of much greater need for the Yankees than Montero does.  The Yankees are one of the best offensive teams in the game with-or-without Montero, but their pitching was definitely lagging behind their offense, and this helps that area quite a lot.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Now the real question is who takes DH? Prince Fielder. That’s would just be ridiculous. 

Lastings
3 years 7 months ago

MANNY RAMIREZ!!!!!!!!!!

Wrek305
3 years 7 months ago

A-Rod can give him some of his steroid supplies to get him banned from baseball.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

That was honestly my first thought too, but I only see that happening if Fielder is forced to take a one year deal.  A-Rod is going to need time at DH and would need to be there full time before a long term deal for Fielder would end.

I’m think maybe they bring Chavez back to split time at 3B/DH with A-Rod (or something similar to that).

3 years 7 months ago

carlos pena?

YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah…..wow. I mean I think Montero is going to be a hell of a hitter and I DO have an emotional attachment towards him but thank GOD they didn’t trade him for an over the hill pitcher. Still, Pineda has issues as well. He’s a two pitch pitcher who will need to come up with another pitch to be a FOR once hitters become acquainted with him.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Maybe, but his two pitches are both very good pitches and even if he is only a #2 he will be well worth it (and with CC as the Ace, a #2 is perfect for the Yankees).

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Campos is a very good prospect too. When you’re right behind Walker, Hultzen and Franklin, that’s pretty good. 

PennMariner
3 years 7 months ago

Campos could be the real prize here, although he is far from the majors. Tremendous upside.

3 years 7 months ago

Being an M’s fan, that really hurt seeing Campos is going too!  Ouch…

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

I hope you’re right. Don’t know much about Campos.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 7 months ago

I’m not knocking the deal as you might read in other posts, but even before this trade it was evident to me that Pineda needs a 3rd pitch. 

I obviously HOPE he can get bye with 2 pitches but not too many of them last without developing a 3rd.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Well, he actually has 3 pitches (FB, SL, CH), so if anything he only needs to use his change more.

Wrek305
3 years 7 months ago

Honestly CC is not an Ace. He gets hit hard a lot he wins alot because his team scores alot for him not because he’s an ace.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

CC has been one of the best pitchers in the game for several years now.

Wrek305
3 years 7 months ago

That’s because he played for the Brewers and their lineup the Yankees average like 6 runs a game of course he’s gonna be good. I never said CC wasn’t good I only said he wasn’t an ace.

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Offense effects W-L, not how you pitch. To say CC is not an ace is nonsense.

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

He has a .255 BAA and only a .305 OBPA

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

The yankees do love teaching people the slider

nepp
3 years 7 months ago

Cole Hamels was a 2 pitch guy for the first 4-5 years of his career too.  Pineda has 2 great pitches at Age 22.  That’s pretty rare.

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

not to mention the yankees have other good catching prospects its still hard but im happy that goldstein called campos a top five prospect in the ms system

3 years 7 months ago

they might go after carlos Pena

jjs91
3 years 7 months ago

Not a bad idea i was thinking posada or matsui as they can bench them but that be the much better option

Allan Linden
3 years 7 months ago

I would hope they could do better but maybe in a limited role like Andruw Jones was last year off the bench he’ll be OK as a part time player.

Wrek305
3 years 7 months ago

He’ll get to pick a real number probably flip the 63 to 36.

3 years 7 months ago

Ruh-Roh!

stl_cards16
3 years 7 months ago

Both of their fantasy values just took a pretty good hit.

3 years 7 months ago

wow! didnt see this one coming

3 years 7 months ago

Good trade for both sides, assuming Seattle is getting another couple pieces (likely not major ones).  Straight up you’d have to call it a win for NY.

3 years 7 months ago

Now go Sign Fielder.

Eddie Robbins
3 years 7 months ago

Yep…..glad I have Pineda in my keeper league.

moyerLIVES
3 years 7 months ago

He’s a 2 pitch righty moving to one of the premier LHB favoring parks in the toughest division in baseball. I’d sell high if I were you.

3 years 7 months ago

No offense, but not good for you.  I guess if Wins is a category for you…

nats2012
3 years 7 months ago

Wow.

SixtoLezcano
3 years 7 months ago

Mariners win the trade.  Next?

Jonathunder
3 years 7 months ago

Huge news! interesting trade