Rangers Acquire Cliff Lee For Smoak, Prospects

Cliff Lee is joining his fourth team in 12 months and the Rangers are hoping he can lead them to the playoffs for the first time in 11 years. The Rangers pried Lee away from the Mariners and multiple suitors today in a blockbuster deal that makes the 50-35 Rangers clear favorites to win the AL West.

They obtained Lee, Mark Lowe (who is out for the season with back surgery) and cash considerations from the Mariners for Justin Smoak, Blake Beavan, Matthew Lawson and Josh Lueke.

Though the Rangers' ownership is uncertain, GM Jon Daniels was able to add Lee and his $9MM salary with some creative deal-making. The Mariners will cover about $2.5MM of the $4.2MM remaining on Lee's salary, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (via Twitter), presumably because the Rangers included an appealing group of prospects. But giving up Lee wasn't easy, even for top young talent.

“This is a bittersweet day for us,” Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik said. “While we are excited about the group of young players we have acquired from the Rangers, it’s never easy to trade a player like Cliff Lee, who has been outstanding here.”

Justin Smoak has yet to stand out at the big league level, but has star potential. Baseball America ranked Smoak second among all Rangers prospects before the season, behind 2010 All-Star Neftali Feliz. The publication suggested Smoak, 23, has "a chance to be a switch-hitting slugger in the Mark Teixeira mold." So far, Smoak's big league performance has been less than Teixeira-esque. He has a .209/.316/.353 line with eight homers in half a season.

Beavan, 21, was the Rangers' first round pick in 2007 and is now pitching at AA. He has a 2.78 ERA with 5.6 K/9 and a Cliff Lee-like 1.0 BB/9. Baseball America ranked Beavan 17th among Rangers prospects before the season, explaining that he could become a back-of-the-rotation innings eater, even if his stuff doesn't improve.

Lawson, a 24-year-old second baseman is hitting .277/.371/.438 at AA, along with Lueke and Beavan. Lueke, 25, has a 3.86 ERA with 12.5 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 as a reliever this year.

A lot of talent is heading to Seattle, but the Rangers will have the chance to reclaim some young players, even if Lee departs as a free agent after the season. Lee currently ranks as a Type A free agent, so the Rangers can obtain two top picks in the 2011 draft if they offer Lee arbitration and he turns it down to sign elsewhere.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post first reported that a deal was close and first reported that the Rangers had agreed to acquire Lee. Buster Olney, Jon Heyman, Ken Davidoff, Mark Feinsand, Bob Nightengale, Ken Rosenthal, Jon Paul Morosi, Ed Price, Evan Grant, T.R. Sullivan, Frankie Piliere and others added updates and details.

The Rangers outbid the many other clubs connected to Lee, including the Rays, Tigers, White Sox, Twins, Phillies, Mets, Cardinals, Dodgers and Reds. Oh yeah, and the Yankees.

So much for the Yankees’ unwillingness to hand over prospects for three month rentals. Brian Cashman & Co. offered Jesus Montero, David Adams and another prospect, possibly Zach McAllister, for Lee and were 'on the brink' of acquiring him earlier today. The Yankees thought they had a deal for the left-hander, according to Rosenthal (Twitter link), but it wasn't the case. The Mariners re-opened discussions with the Rangers, learned that Smoak was available, and the sides reached a deal.

For the deal that sent Lee to the Phillies click here; for the deal that sent Lee to the Mariners click here.


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694 Comments on "Rangers Acquire Cliff Lee For Smoak, Prospects"


Abraham Zapruder
5 years 26 days ago

The Yanks must think Montero is going to be a bust.

NYBravosFan10
5 years 26 days ago

No the Yankees just don’t care about prospects and how they can benefit the team with their play. Apparently the Yankees are fine with a lineup made almost fully of 30 somethings.

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

Or more based in reality they see a prospect with a stellar bat that may not be able to play catcher and might have to move to a spot they have locked up for another 7 years. They would be trading Montero for a guy whos a top 3 pitcher in all of baseball not for a utility infielder or reliever.

NYBravosFan10
5 years 26 days ago

so you’re saying that Francisco Cervelli has a better upside than one of the top prospects in the game? Maybe but I doubt it.

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

Where are you getting that from? Im say that there are real questions about if he can play catcher and that he may have to move to 1st base. Thats the position that is taken for the next 7 years by mark Teixeira. I never mentioned Cervelli nor does he have anything to do with the discussion at hand. If anything this might show that they have alot of confidence in Austin Romine but Cervelli is in no way the future at catcher for the Yankees, and i never stated that position

NYBravosFan10
5 years 26 days ago

So you’re saying that Montero has no future as a catcher? Defintely have heard that before but the fact remains that I’m just not sure as to why the Yankees would want to give up a young hot-hitting stud that adds some age to an otherwise older lneup. I’ve heard good things about Austin Romine but not as much as Montero.

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

I didnt say he has no future because I cant speak with that amount of certainty, I said there are questions if he can catch and that he may have to move to a position which wont be available on the yankees.

If you are asking my opinion I dont like the deal but i can certainly see the logic behind it and dont think it is a ridiculous deal in which the yankees are getting screwed

5 years 26 days ago

Montero has no future. This is the guy who can’t catch and can’t play first base.

And he doesn’t have enough juice to be an offensive threat in Safeco Field.

And AAA pitching gives him a lot of trouble this year. His bat may not even come.

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

He isnt a good catcher that doesnt mean he CANT catch and you have absolutely no idea if he can play first or not.

He’s 20 years old and is holding his in AAA that is impressive, for you to say he wont be an offensive threat is ridiculous and goes againt what every talent evaluator, writer and scout has said in print.

Basically you have no idea what you are talking about. I can find you dozens of examples of talent evaluators praising his bat and comparing him to big time sluggers/hitters. Also in the last month he’s hit- .353/.402/.565, with 9 extra base hits. Its not uncommon for a a young guy to struggle at the highest level.

5 years 26 days ago

he can’t play 1B. Yanks tried before and failed.

And look at his BABIP. “what every talent evaluator, writer and scout has said in print. ” Oh yeah. They also said Alex Graman throws 95-mph and has 4 plus-plus pitches. They also said Tyler Clippard is a future CYA.

Give me one name. Name one Yankees prospect who was traded by Cashman in the past 10 years who actually became a star. I can tell you. The answer is NONE.

5 years 26 days ago

From 01-09, Yanks have traded away following “prospects”:

Wily Mo Pena, Ed Yarnall, Jackson Melian , Brian Reith, Scott Wiggins, Jason Anderson, Ryan Bicondoa, Anderson Garcia, Brandon Claussen, Charlie Manning, Ramon Ramirez, Eduardo Sierra, C.J. Henry, Matt Smith, Jesus Sanchez, Carlos Monastrios, Jeff Kennard, Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf, Jose Tabata, Daniel McCutchen, Wilson Betemit, Jhonny Nunez, Jeff Marquez, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino.

Tell me any one of them actually develops into a star? Ohlendorf is the best of all. But he is nowhere near what Yanks fans expect: a front-line starter.

Fact, Yanks sold “trash” to other teams for proven players like Raul Mondesi, Armando Benitez, Aaron Boone, Jeff Nelson, Shawn Chacon, Bobby Abreu, Cory Lidle, Jose Melina, Xavier Nady, Damaso Marte, Nick Swisher, Curtis Granderson, Javier Vazquez

5 years 26 days ago

I like how you conveniently left out Austin Jackson

5 years 26 days ago

From 01-09, Yanks have traded away following “prospects”:

Wily Mo Pena, Ed Yarnall, Jackson Melian , Brian Reith, Scott Wiggins, Jason Anderson, Ryan Bicondoa, Anderson Garcia, Brandon Claussen, Charlie Manning, Ramon Ramirez, Eduardo Sierra, C.J. Henry, Matt Smith, Jesus Sanchez, Carlos Monastrios, Jeff Kennard, Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf, Jose Tabata, Daniel McCutchen, Wilson Betemit, Jhonny Nunez, Jeff Marquez, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke, Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino.

Tell me any one of them actually develops into a star? Ohlendorf is the best of all. But he is nowhere near what Yanks fans expect: a front-line starter.

Fact, Yanks sold “trash” to other teams for proven players like Raul Mondesi, Armando Benitez, Aaron Boone, Jeff Nelson, Shawn Chacon, Bobby Abreu, Cory Lidle, Jose Melina, Xavier Nady, Damaso Marte, Nick Swisher, Curtis Granderson, Javier Vazquez

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

Montero signed with Yankees at the age of 16 and since then has never played a single professional inning at 1st base in a game. I dont know where you are getting this info. The Yankees routinely have their catchers take grounders at 1st and 3rd but Montero has never been tried out at 1st base.

Tyler Clippard was never considered anything special by professionals. Yankee fans artificially inflated his worth because of his results, but pros always said he was mediocre at best and took advantage of low level talent by pitching backwards and that that approach wouldnt wok in the majors.

Guys who have went on to have productive seasons the Yankees traded are Nick Johnson, Alphonso Soriano, Ted Lilly, Jake Westbrook, Ramon Ramirez, Dionar Navarro, Juan Rivera, Mike Lowell etc. But NONE of those guys were as highly regarded as Montero is now. And if Nick Johnson could stay healthy he is without a doubt a very good ball player.

5 years 26 days ago

You didn’t answer the question. 01-09 class who actually became a star. The only guy you mentioned was Mike Lowell(Soriano wasn’t a Yanks prospect. You don’t say Ichiro was a M’s prospect, right?). That was like 13 years ago?Oh yeah, and NONE of those guys, including Jesus Montero, were as highly regarded as DREW HENSON. That’s another fact :DYanks prospect scouting reports are always like this:Phil Hughes: Next Roger Clemens. One-of-the-life-time type. Future HOFer.Dellin Betances: Next Phil Hughes. One-of-the-life-time type. Future HOFer.Jesus Montero: Next Mike Piazza. One-of-the-life-time type. Future HOFer.Austin Romine: Next Jesus Montero. One-of-the-life-time type. Future HOFer.That’s a Joke.

Oh. Yanks didn’t try that in the game. He was so awful in the training.

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

I havent made any claims that any of these guys was going to turn into a future hall of famer and i already stated that Montero will most likely have to switch positions so im not sure why you are arguing with me.

Also the highest I can see Drew Henson ranked was 9th in 2002 by Baseball America, Nick Johnson was ranked as high as 5th and this year Montero was ranked high in the top 10 this season. So you are incorrect about Henson being the highest prospect. The Dodgers had two guys, Guzman and Jackson, consistently ranked in the top 5 who havent done much but does that mean that every Dodgers prospect is trash?

I certainly classify Nick Johnson as a productive MLBer who was developed by the team

If your position is that the Yankees have traded prospects that havent become superstars thus every prospect in the future they trade is absolute shit i dont agree with that. Prospects fail immensely more then they succeed, I can list you 10 prospects from each org that were highly touted that have failed that doesnt mean that every future guy will suck.

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

My reply is waiting to be approved by a moderator for some reason but while that happens maybe you could provide some evidence that Montero was tried at 1st and failed?

5 years 26 days ago

he can’t play 1B. Yanks tried before and failed.

And look at his BABIP. “what every talent evaluator, writer and scout has said in print. ” Oh yeah. They also said Alex Graman throws 95-mph and has 4 plus-plus pitches. They also said Tyler Clippard is a future CYA.

Give me one name. Name one Yankees prospect who was traded by Cashman in the past 10 years who actually became a star. I can tell you. The answer is NONE.

5 years 26 days ago

cause montero isnt hitting right now, hes production has dropped off majorly this season

killacam04
5 years 26 days ago

well there really isnt much room. 1b is locked up for a while. Cervelli plays way better defense to justify the fact he has been playing half of the time. That Dh spot also needs to be open for the aging players. Some players no matter how good may not fit into the plans.

Guest
5 years 26 days ago

That’s an absurd comment. A lot of the fans and commenters need to get something straight. The Yankees make perfect sense on both ends of this trade. 1st) The match up best for the Mariners needs. 2nd) Pettitte is almost virtually a lock to retire this year, especially with the season he is having. Vasquez would not resign. AJ is spotty and Hughes while he has been brilliant needs another year or two before he true front end (ie 1/2) so going into to 2011, the Yanks have CC as their only true guarantee.

The may lose Montero now, catcher being one the Yanks deepest talent positions, save the loss of draft picks if the signed Lee as a free agent and take those top picks and go get a potential short stop or another pitcher.

Basically, it makes a lot of sense if Cashman can pull off. And yes, I agree Javy gets flipped to someone in the NL. In fact perhaps the balance of the two prospects could come from the team receiving Vasquez.

NYBravosFan10
5 years 26 days ago

you must understand this about me…I live in New York state and unless you do as well you have NO IDEA how much the Yankees are shoved down your throat and you are crucified for not being a fan. Because of this, I can’t stand the Yankees and rarely agree with anything they do as well as find it asier to criticize them. Kinda the same way Boston Red Sox fans do.

5 years 26 days ago

The only problem with your explanation regarding the starting rotation is that all of your points speak in favor of Lee for next season. If that were the case, why wouldn’t they just pick him up in free agency?

5 years 26 days ago

Have you ever heard any catching prospect only caught like 20% runners in AA?

Only two guys did that and were still called “prospect”, one is Montero, the other is Romine. If they’re from other 29 clubs their names were already been forgotten.

Get real. Having two young catchers can’t catch, that’s not deep. It’s FAILURE.

CrisE
5 years 26 days ago

As a player? no, but as a catcher yes.

If the glove won’t play then Montero shouldn’t be compared to Cervelli. He’d have to be seen as a DH or 1B or LF or whatever, and there are excellent players locked in already at many of those spots.

5 years 26 days ago

Right. Cervelli can catch. And Montero is the most overrated prospect.

KeiIgawa
5 years 26 days ago

Who cares about Cervelli? The Yankees have two other top catchers in their system, including Austin Romaine, who some scouts think might be a better major league catcher.

TwinsVet
5 years 26 days ago

Haven’t the Yankees ALWAYS been fine with a lineup of 30-somethings?

NYBravosFan10
5 years 26 days ago

yes and I don’t get it

TwinsVet
5 years 26 days ago

The results seem to speak for themselves.

God, I’m being an apologist for the Yankees business model. I need to go shower… just… feel… so… dirty…

dawgpaddlez
5 years 26 days ago

how does a second base prospect match up with their needs..can someone please tell me…wasnt their number 2 overall pick a second baseman? why are they trading for a AA second baseman with no pop

5 years 26 days ago

NO your wrong…
The Yankees dont need prospects, every off-season they will reach into the bottomless pit and BUY every all-star available. thats how they play, buy everything they can.

if they pick up lee, they legitimately have bought themselves an all-star team…
i mean the only spot they need a little bit of help could be catcher, they will wait for Yadier Molina or someone else to come up and buy them out.

why keep prospects when you can buy an all-star in the off season?

5 years 26 days ago

Wow, this post is so factual, I don’t need to add anything else. Everything is so correct.

5 years 26 days ago

The yankees are stupid. Posada is old and Adams can play all infeild possitions, which is good because jeter is getting old as well. So they trade three blue chip prospect, plus next year they will have to at least outbid everyone. So in recap, the yankees trade three prospects, plus 150 million bucks for Lee. I cant wait til he gets hurt.

dawgpaddlez
5 years 26 days ago

can someone please tell me why they are acquiring a second base prospect

5 years 26 days ago

He can’t play catcher. 22% CS is plain awful. This guy may head to Japan in a few years.

5 years 26 days ago

this could very well be the “soriano for randy johnson” deal all over again, and montero becomes like soriano for a year AND THEN THE YANKEES trade him.

Maaaac
5 years 26 days ago

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. He will be a free agent after the season is over. The Yanks offense is getting older and older. They need young hitters.

Ugh

5 years 26 days ago

This is just pure speculation on my part. But if they trade Montero it has to mean they must think Lee will be open to an extension either with them, or with whatever other team he would have been traded to.

Kitfisto007
5 years 26 days ago

Montero, McAllister, Joseph, Brackman, De Leon? Just a guess… I’m a Red Sox fan, and I’m on the edge of my seat.

5 years 26 days ago

yea, maybe if it was for J Johnson. nice try, though

anthonymurillo
5 years 26 days ago

I’m all for it. Pitching wins you World Championships and having Cliff Lee as our #1 starter gives us a better shot of repeating as World Champions.

There’s also that rumor of Vazquez/Werth

5 years 26 days ago

wont happen Vazquez has a partial no trade and the phils are on that list. the phils also want a player controllable past 2010 which he does not

Zack23
5 years 26 days ago

Where did you find that? Cot’s has his NTC to NL West and AL West clubs, no mention of Philly.

Zack23
5 years 26 days ago

Where did you find that? Cot’s has his NTC to NL West and AL West clubs, no mention of Philly.

ajf718
5 years 26 days ago

Bankees are at it again.

NEBravesfan33
5 years 26 days ago

Aaron Hicks and Wilson Ramos is better than that deal. Montero doesn’t have a position and he is headling a deal for Lee? Something doesn’t make sense here.

5 years 26 days ago

Ummm. Montero was # 4 on Baseball America’s top prospect list and is the only one of the top five not already in the majors. Even if he never finds a true position and ends up a DH, he will still be able to hit enough to make this worth it for the M’s.

dawgpaddlez
5 years 26 days ago

he’s hitting 250 with 6 homeruns…fernando martinez has 4 homeruns in the week returning from the DL…hicks by himself has way more value than this deal

Pat_M
5 years 26 days ago

Really? Of all the contenders, he makes the least sense on the Yankees. I was really hoping a smaller market like Cincy, Minnesota, Texas traded for him to add some intrigue for the stretch run. Yankees? I just threw up a little bit.

anthonymurillo
5 years 26 days ago

Let’s say the Twins or Rangers acquired Lee…and the Yankees face them in the ALDS. Do you REALLY believe the Yankees would beat Lee twice?

Deviation
5 years 26 days ago

Maybe, maybe not. But they could easily beat the other pitchers on the roster. The Yankees have the least need and it really will make me sad if that’s where Lee ends up.

jpiques
5 years 26 days ago

How many posts until a NYY fan says: “Maybe we can do this deal without Montero?”

ronny9
5 years 26 days ago

You know, maybe the Yankees could get this deal done without even giving up Montero.

Ship Vazquez to philly and ship those prospects and a couple avg ones of their own to Seattle.

0bsessions
5 years 26 days ago

If it’s that easy, why wouldn’t the Phillies just trade for him themselves? Lee is definitively better than Vasquez? If the Yanks did that, they’d still have to flip an extra prospect.

johnwvideo
5 years 26 days ago

actually the way its looking this season the Cardinals will probably take Vazquez, Heck they already signed 4 players released since May.

5 years 26 days ago

who else is in the deal? i mean montero is good (though seeing Jeff Clement fail in seattle makes me question their catching development skills), but if that’s all the deal will include, i can’t see how that would top the deal Minnesota placed, with a solid C Prospect (Ramos) and a decent OF Prospect (Hicks).

damnitsderek
5 years 26 days ago

Hicks is a potential five-tool powerhouse talent. That’s a bit better than a decent OF prospect.

5 years 26 days ago

First, we don’t know Minnesota actually offered Ramos and Hicks. That’s speculation.

In terms of what the Yankees can offer, 2B David Adams is rumored to be included and looks pretty good. 23 year old in AA, 309/393/507 slash line this year. Mariners have Dustin Ackley in AA at 2B, but they could possibly move Adams to 3B or something like that – or just have two good 2B prospects. I could see Seattle asking for a third prospect like Zach McAllister. 5th starter type, nothing amazing, but another back of the rotation guy to throw in with Fister, Vargas, RRS, etc.

I know Yankees fans loathe the idea of giving up Montero, but it does make some sense. If you assume he isn’t going to stay at C, then he’s blocked at 1B by Texieira, and you really need to keep the DH spot open to rotate in Posada, A Rod, etc when they need days off. So, he’s really most useful in trade.

Finally, we know Jack Z is looking for guys he can plug in now. Even if Minnesota offered Hicks, he may very well have said, look, this guy isn’t going to help us for a few years, best case scenario. I have Felix Hernandez, Franklin Gutierrez, and Ichiro locked up for the next few years. I need to surround them with talent now. Not saying that’s the right option, but I think that’s his mindset.

5 years 26 days ago

Exactly that’s what I’ve been trying to tell people. Montero has a terrific bat but his inability to field his position behind the plate evened out his bat.

metsman
5 years 26 days ago

I was never impressed with Thole at first last year (begginers luck) and the start of this year (bad numbers defensively,offensively in AAA) but his bat is unstoppable and clutch and his defense suffered only from catching the knuckleballer Dickey. At this rate I think Thole is the better all round catching prospect out there and I’m glad his underrated status will keep him a Met.

yankeesfan88
5 years 26 days ago

Zach McAllister a back of the rotation prospect? He’s having a weak year but his numbers from previous seasons are flat out nasty.

garrett16
5 years 26 days ago

Clement was developed under a different front office, so the catching development has changed in Seattle, and also the Mariners seem pretty high on Adam Moore to come through as at least an average ML catcher, so I doubt they see Montero as a long term catcher. My guess is the give him a little chance to work at catcher and them move to 1B, and if his defense is that bad at 1B then they just drop him into the DH spot since there is no one on that team that is gonna need that position long term.

garrett16
5 years 26 days ago

Clement was developed under a different front office, so the catching development has changed in Seattle, and also the Mariners seem pretty high on Adam Moore to come through as at least an average ML catcher, so I doubt they see Montero as a long term catcher. My guess is the give him a little chance to work at catcher and them move to 1B, and if his defense is that bad at 1B then they just drop him into the DH spot since there is no one on that team that is gonna need that position long term.

joeytime
5 years 26 days ago

After this trade I’ve heard the rumor that the yanks will ship Javier Vasquez to the phillies for Jason werth! Wfan 660am
This is not a straight up proposal this is the framework of a possible transaction….

ronny9
5 years 26 days ago

I’m pretty sure there is NO way the Phillies will be taking Vazquez for Werth straight up.

Amaro would be fired.

joeytime
5 years 26 days ago

This is simply the framework of a proposed deal, there will be others included, in order to satisfy the teams involved.

ronny9
5 years 26 days ago

As a Red Sox fan i will say that this will undoubtedly put the nail in the coffin for this year for the Sox.

CC
Lee
Hughes
Pettite

WHEN the Yankees make the playoffs they will without a doubt (barring major major injury) be in line for a repeat.

It’s not close to the same scenario; but i think i feel kinda like Cleveland Cavelier fans felt about 12 hours ago.

I can only hope that the Twins/Reds/Mets (etc) read the news and make an offer the Mariner’s can’t refuse.

andrewyf
5 years 26 days ago

“I can only hope that the Twins/Reds/Mets (etc) read the news and make an offer the Mariner’s can’t refuse.”

I bet the Yankees are hoping the exact same thing.

Maaaac
5 years 26 days ago

I bet you we can get this deal done without Montero if we include Colin Curtis

jwredsox
5 years 26 days ago

Didn’t mean to like but, how can you replace your top prospect in a trade with your 21st ranked prospect and think that will get it done? Plus Curtis isn’t that good of a prospect. He has average to barely above average tools.

CosaOne
5 years 26 days ago

Pretty sure that was sarcasm

5 years 26 days ago

Why stop there? Where’s Enrique Wilson when you need him? What’s he doing these days?

5 years 26 days ago

This deal makes no sense for the Yankees. They don’t need any more starting pitching. I’m a Yankees fan and I’m saying this. Cashman always said there is no reason to trade for a guy when he can sign him for cash only, that’s why they didn’t trade for Sabathia. Unless they are going to trade for Lee and then deal Vazquez for a bat I don’t see this going down.

Spirit of '69
5 years 26 days ago

I can’t stand the Yankees as much as anyone but when they trade a prospect like Austin Jackson and he performs the way he has it makes all their other prospects look that much better. The rule holds: you never count the Yankees out of any possible transaction for a big-time player. They may or may not ultimately get him, but all those who count them out of these situations should know better by now.

Yankees420
5 years 26 days ago

Austins Jackson is crashing hard after a very hot start, his OPS since May is sub .750, and that’s still with a .350+ BABIP.

Spirit of '69
5 years 26 days ago

That’s true but he looked very good for a long time and when it comes to these deals often many teams — when they deal with the Yanks — see too much pinstripes and not enough reality. Ajax lights it up for a couple of months and GMs go wow, who else they got? Some real question marks about Montero too but Seattle clearly looking past them.

Yankees420
5 years 26 days ago

The only real questions about Montero are defensive ones. Honestly I have this theory that he’s struggled at AAA because he’s been so focused on improving his defense, but he gets moved to 1B and can focus on his hitting more, then I think he’s got insanely high potential.

small_ball_13
5 years 26 days ago

Anything that is left in the yankees farm system will be on the way out the door with this trade. This is really dumb for a what will prolly be a rental for the rest of the year. the yankees are aging butting way to much on legs and arms that at anytime could be hurt do to wear and tear. this just feels like a “robbing peter to pay paul” scenario. Just dumb…

5 years 26 days ago

I think the Yankees should trade for Cliff Lee so they won’t lose against him tonight, then flip him right after the win.

5 years 26 days ago

As a Red Sox fan, I like this trade. As long as the Yankees give up their future for a temporary rental, then I’d be a big fan.

Jesus Montero is better than people think. In a combination of 5 different prospect rankings, Montero ranked 4th overall in March of this year. Ahead of Carlos Santana, Stanton, Smoak, Posey, Domonic Brown. He’s a big name prospect.

Maaaac
5 years 26 days ago

this won’t be a rental

no way the yanks sign him if there isn’t a deal in place

0bsessions
5 years 26 days ago

I’m less concerned now having looked up his splits against the Sox. They’re pretty pedestrian. On top of that, he’s going to be 32 soon and you know they’re going to lock him up for something like five years. If, on top of everything, they give up their best prospect to get him NOW, then I’m all for it. Cashman’s got them in good position to win a few right now, but he’s also putting them in position to be extremely crippled in about three years.

5 years 26 days ago

Dont forget that Lee is on the Mariners who arent such a very good team! Some of the numbers may nt be his fault!

5 years 26 days ago

It doesnt matter what you say. Your Poop!

0bsessions
5 years 26 days ago

Just to note, I’m talking his career splits, not just this season. The Sox haven’t faced him this year to my recollection. That aside, the team behind him’s overall quality isn’t going to affect his pitching stats unless they’re an absolute mess in terms of defensive range.

scott4
5 years 26 days ago

Mariner’s have wanted Smoak or Montero from the very begining and I thought they were nuts for asking for that much. Not so crazy anymore. I’m sure the Yanks will move Vazquez if this goes down if he isn’t included in the swap.

damnitsderek
5 years 26 days ago

I can’t decide if acquiring Montero is worth watching the Yankees win another World Series.

Honest, that’s a really tough call.

ajf718
5 years 26 days ago

I feel sorry for mets and twins fans.

damnitsderek
5 years 26 days ago

You mean more than usual?

Boz
5 years 26 days ago

i dont…lol

twins33
5 years 26 days ago

If the price is as high as it seems, it’s not worth it for the Twins. I think they are more than an ace away from winning anyway.

I just don’t get this move though. Yes, it will make the Yanks a lot more deadly, but they don’t really need him for the regular season or the playoffs. Why give up something to get a guy who will go to the highest bidder (in years/money or both) when he might just come to you in a few months without losing prospects.

Yankees420
5 years 26 days ago

Completely agree, and as everyone can tell, I’m a Yankee fan. I hate that we’re giving up Montero for a rental. Yes, I know that Cashman will most likely sign him long term, but as of right now, he is still a rental and we are giving up one of the best prospects in baseball for something that isn’t even a need on this team imo. I can only hope that this trade falls through.

ghost5599
5 years 26 days ago

Wondering if it’s not so much about Yanks needing Lee as it is about them not wanting to face him. Especially if it’s in the playoffs.