Olney On Fielder, Zambrano, Rays, Garza

There’s been lots of buzz about a possible deal between Prince Fielder and the Nationals this week, so ESPN.com’s Buster Olney asked some talent evaluators about the impact the free agent first baseman would have in Washington. One evaluator says adding Fielder would make the Nationals “an immediate threat in the NL East” and another guesses Fielder would boost the organization's revenues. Here are the rest of Olney’s rumors, starting in the NL East:

  • Some Marlins people aren’t convinced Carlos Zambrano’s stuff is good enough for him to be a frontline pitcher again, Olney writes. However, the Miami front office believes he’s worth the risk at $2.5MM.
  • Olney wonders if the Rays have interest in Daniel Murphy of the Mets. The Rays need a first baseman and the 26-year-old posted a .320/.362/.448 line in 423 plate appearances last year while playing first, second, third and left field.
  • Many talent evaluators consider Matt Garza a middle-of-the-rotation starter, which may contribute to the gap between the Cubs’ asking price and what rival teams have been offering in trade talks, Olney writes.


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106 Comments on "Olney On Fielder, Zambrano, Rays, Garza"


Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Will any team give the Cubs three “A-list” prospects, or whatever the absurd asking price? Seems unlikely…

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onemanwolfpack
3 years 6 months ago

no they won’t and thats fine….theo is asking that cause if someone gives that package then ok…and if not then we got a #2 starter for a good price for the next few yrs.

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jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

They may at the deadline.

No way Theo holds on to him as a cost controlled #2.  Come the deadline, either someone comes up to get him, or Theo lowers his demands.  No reason to keep him unless you’re sure of extending him.

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3 years 6 months ago

if garza is still on the team a year from now it will be a failure on theo’s part. garza’s production has very little value for the cubs given where they’re going to be for the next few years. hold out for the best deal (thats a given), but in the end if they want to help themselves rebuild quickly, he has to be dealt.

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scott brecht
3 years 6 months ago

The Cubs can ask for that because they don’t have to trade him.  They have the money to extend him and keep him around much like the White Sox did with Danks, even though both teams are in a mild rebuild.  He could be more valuable at the trade deadline if a contending team thinks he can push them over the edge.  Either way, as a Cubs fan, I will be happy if he stays or goes. 

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feathers
3 years 6 months ago

Saying the Cubs are in a “mild” rebuild can only come from a diehard. lol

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scott brecht
3 years 6 months ago

Teams with sub 80 MIL payrolls need to do total tear down rebuilds because they don’t have money to spend on free agents.  The Cubs will probably settle around the 120 MIL over the next two years and have almost nothing on the books other than Soriano after next year.  They are in very good shape to be MAJOR players in free agency.  

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jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

Wasn’t being “MAJOR” players in free agency what got them into this mess in the first place?

Other rumors here have said that the Cubs are willing to trade every player from their major league roster (I’d exempt Castro, myself) in order to get prospects.  That doesn’t sound much like a “mild” rebuild.

If it isn’t nailed to the floor, and still has anything resembling value (no matter how small), I’d bet on it being gone by midseason at the latest.

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ChiCubs13
3 years 6 months ago

Being major players in free agency hurt them because Hendry gave backloaded contracts with no-trade clauses. Now Theo hasn’t had the greatest track record either with free agents, but then again he is in the NL Central now and not competeing with the Yankees.

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scott brecht
3 years 6 months ago

It was the ownership wanting to throw out huge money in order to inflate the value of the team before selling it.  

The Farm system is fairly strong in the outfield, middle infield, catcher, and relief pitching.  Starting pitching is extremely weak.  The corner infielders look like career AAA players at best. 

Under the old CBA, the strategy would be a lot different and a longer process, but under the knew one, free agency will be a lot more prominent in rebuilding.    

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faceforest
3 years 6 months ago

Where are you getting this from? If they had a strong farm system I’m pretty sure the majority of their starters would of been sent down for those players in their “strong” farm system.

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BDLugz
3 years 6 months ago

Just because a position has promising players doesn’t mean they’re promising at the AAA level. The Cubs lower levels have a lot of interesting players.

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wood34
3 years 6 months ago

Did you guys re-sign Pujols?

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stl_cards16
3 years 6 months ago

Unfortunately for you, no we didn’t.

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wood34
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah…. Thats a shame!

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stl_cards16
3 years 6 months ago

For the Cubs, yes it is. About the time the Cubs are ready to compete again a declining Pujols would have been way overpaid.

Now by the time the Cubs are ready to compete the Cardinals will have their new,young nucleus and a lot of money to spend.

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jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

Given the state of the Cubs farm system, it better be alot more than a “mild rebuild” if Theo wants a competitive team.

That being said, if Garza is healthy, he’ll get a much bigger return mid-season, so there is no reason to trade him now.

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joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

Marlins were willing to give Yelch, I believe. They went for a different pitcher in your rotation to fill out the starting 5, though.

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faceforest
3 years 6 months ago

No, especially afrer the haul the Rays got for the guy.

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onemanwolfpack
3 years 6 months ago

if the nats are smart they’ll take their time and wait…..and wait some more and let the price really drop. there isn’t any competition for them in dealing with fielder….theo said yesterday that they would go with a triple a 1bman and seattle and baltimore don’t got the moolah to make a big offer

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danumd87
3 years 6 months ago

The Os actually have as much money as any team in baseball to spend. The owner lid among the worst in the history of sports so he won’t. But they certainly do have the money to spend.

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Meh Sheep
3 years 6 months ago

Exactly.  Who is the last team to lead the league in payroll other than the Yankees?  Guess what it isn’t the Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Phillies, etc.  It is the Orioles.  Angelos is scared of another Joey (Albert) Belle contract and other than Tejada hasn’t opened up his wallet since.

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jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

Gotta be careful how far you let the price drop.  There is a point at which Milwaukee is back in the bidding, and the Yankees and/or Red Sox decide they need an upgrade at DH.

Obviously, all three are out at Fielder’s current asking price, but there is a point at which they are in.

Quite frankly, if the price drops low enough, the Cubs are back in too, regardless of what Theo said.

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MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

I’d hate to see how low the asking price would have to get for the Red Sox to actually be in on him.

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jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

Alot lower than when Theo was still there, that’s for sure.  No more Crawford/Lackey contracts now.

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MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Not for a while anyway, but that’s not even my reasoning.  The reason it would have to get extremely low is because Ortiz already accepted arbitration so they would have to deal with the fallout from cutting him, plus a one year deal works best for them anyway (Youkilis will likely need time in the DH spot next year, and they also have Lavarnway who will need to spend time at DH if they plan on getting him sufficient ABs), so for it to be worth them dealing with having to cut Ortiz + keep Youkilis at 3B full time + not being able to play Lavarnway, it would have to be a crazy bargain.

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Dan Mazzaro
3 years 6 months ago

I like Daniel Murphy but he’s more valuable at 2B. I’d like to see the Rays get alittle more pop at 1B.

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formerdraftpick
3 years 6 months ago

I think the Mets may not be willing to keep Murphy at 2b because of the glut of prospects at the position throughout the organization. However, would it be a better choice to trade Wright, move Daniel back to 3b and build around the younger (and less pricey) talent?  

On another note, Omar was a nice minor league pickup this offseason.  Don’t be surprised if you see him playing shortstop most of this season. 

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MetsEventually
3 years 6 months ago

Wade Davis for Daniel Murphy? 

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LUWahooNatFan
3 years 6 months ago

It’s looking more and more like D.C. will be the landing spot for Fielder, with having the richest owner in baseball and a new tv deal that could double or triple revenue it seems like the right move to make to push this team into contender status.

Desmond SS
Espinosa 2B
Zimmerman 3B
Fielder 1B
Morse LF
Werth RF
Ramos C
Bernadina RF- Harper joining later in the year

Strasburg, Gio, Zimm, Wang, Detwiler

Looks like a playoff contender to me

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Guest
3 years 6 months ago

Werth in CF?

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Guest
3 years 6 months ago

most likely for this year, yes

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MetsEventually
3 years 6 months ago

Definitely…but…Miami, Atlanta and Philly all have something similar to that lineup and rotation. 

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Guest
3 years 6 months ago

I was talking about Werth in center.

Even so, at least on paper, i think this surpasses us from miami and most likely atlanta, too.

of course, paper isn’t where the games are played..

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3 years 6 months ago

That is a powerhouse lineup through the middle…lacking some top end but not bad.  The defensive side of this is a tad lack. Past Zim, the rotation is fair at best, Wang is average, Detwiler is young but looks promising.  BP is solid. Bench is a ?

The NL east is going to be a real race next year if this happens, they will reek havoc on the other divisions i suspect.  The Phils still have the edge, but i say the 2,3,4 slots are a toss up at this point, and interdivision play is going to be HUGE.

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WolandJR
3 years 6 months ago

Why you gotta rip on Wang, Det and Lannan as options for 4 and 5 starters? They are back of the rotations that are just as good as any in the majors save maybe one or two teams.

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joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

Nats need a 2B. I don’t see much at all in Desmond and I think Espinosa can be a great SS.

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vtadave
3 years 6 months ago

Desmond leading off by default I guess.

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101andCounting
3 years 6 months ago

What happens to LaRoche? And why not keep Werth in RF and Bernadina in CF?

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Guest
3 years 6 months ago

im so sick of bernadina

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joeybw
3 years 6 months ago

I would rather have Anthony Rizzo or Mark Trumbo/Kendrys Morales or a 1 year deal for Pena but Murphy is a nice fall back option. Of course, one wonders how much, if any, he improves over Kotchman.