Cardinals, Yadier Molina Closing In On Extension

8:28pm: The deal is in the $70-75MM range, Rosenthal tweets.

6:20pm: The sides are "very close" on a five-year extension worth north of $60MM, reports Rosenthal (Twitter links).

4:29pm: Both sides are "very optimistic" and terms are "all but finalized," Strauss tweets. The deal's average annual value would likely exceed $10MM, Strauss reports. Resolution is expected this week. 

2:47pm: "We are making progress and hopefully we can work something out," Yadier Molina's agent Melvin Roman said to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports today, regarding contract extension talks for the Cardinals catcher.  Rosenthal's sources say the Cards "likely are willing to give him a deal of four and possibly five years."  The FOX writer expects a salary in the $10-12MM range.

On Friday, Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch tweeted, "Movement on Molina is significant enough that a source familiar with the situation believes an agreement could be reached within a week."  Earlier, Roman indicated Molina did not want to negotiate during the season, according to Strauss.  The Cardinals open the season April 4th at the Marlins' new ballpark.


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200 Comments on "Cardinals, Yadier Molina Closing In On Extension"


MJ
3 years 6 months ago

with no long term answer in line behind Yadi, a weak market for catchers coming up, and a pitching coach not named Duncan, all signs point that this will get done…

3 years 6 months ago

Cards really don’t have another option. It’s do or die.

3 years 6 months ago

Do or Die???? I am pretty sure the St. Louis Cardinals will survive with or without Yadier Molina. C’Mon Man!!!

3 years 6 months ago

Meaning get it done in the spring or he’s gone. Probably didn’t make that clear.

3 years 6 months ago

Montero, Napoli & Russell Martin are FA ‘s at the end of this season.

3 years 6 months ago

Martin isn’t close to Yadi. Nap and Montero are likely to be extended.

3 years 6 months ago

No more likely than Yadi…. Martin would look just fine in a Cardinal jersey if push comes to shove.

b_little
3 years 6 months ago

Russel Martin is a good back up option, and by that I mean a backup catcher.

vtadave
3 years 6 months ago

Pretty sure any catcher coming off a 3.1 WAR isn’t going to be a backup anywhere.

Lunchbox45
3 years 6 months ago

he’s no Yadier, but settle down

Lunchbox45
3 years 6 months ago

he’s no Yadier, but settle down

jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

5 years at $10 million per year seems a bit of a gamble for a defense first catcher.  While Molina’s offensive numbers aren’t bad for a catcher, his bat wouldn’t play well at first base or in the outfield if his knees give way.

Because of what he means to the Cardinals organization, I can understand the thought, but I think this could hurt longterm if the rumors are accurate. 

3 years 6 months ago

Why? We have the money.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

“We have the money”

I think Jim Hendry said the same thing before signing Soriano.  The Mariners had the money to sign Chone Figgins.  The Giants weren’t exactly cash-strapped when inking Barry Zito.

“We have the money” is a terrible reason to sign a bad deal.  I’m not saying that this would be a bad deal, but it is a gamble, and it could end up hurting.  If nothing else, that $10 million you’re paying in 2016 could be the difference between Kyle Lohse and Adam Wainwright in the starting rotation.  If Molina is still productive, it may be worth it.  If his knees are gone, you’re in trouble.

stl_cards16
3 years 6 months ago

“I think Jim Hendry said the same thing before signing Soriano.  The Mariners had the money to sign Chone Figgins.  The Giants weren’t exactly cash-strapped when inking Barry Zito”

Soriano and Zito signed franchise altering contracts.  Yadi’s contract isn’t going to be monumental and the Cardinals will be fine with it even if the last year or two he isn’t what he is today.  If it’s only 5 years, it’s likely Yadi will be able to catch into his age 35 season.  The Figgins contract isn’t killing the Mariners, it’s that they have NO offense.  They have money to spend, if they can find a free agent that will take it to go there.

3 years 6 months ago

My thoughts exactly.

jhfdssdaf
3 years 6 months ago

I’ll put it another way, that maybe is easier to understand.  I am not opposed to Molina, and I’m not saying it is a bad deal.  But at the time of its signing, Kyle Lohse signed a market deal with the Cardinals.  If he weren’t under contract this year, they could have signed Oswalt instead.

Even “smaller” deals can be risky and hurt a team long term.  I have no reason to doubt Molina will be catching five years from now, but it is no guarantee.  His bat doesn’t play at any other position, though, so if he can’t catch effectively, he’s a waste of $10M

stl_cards16
3 years 6 months ago

absolutely he would be a waste of $10MM if he can’t catch.  I’m not sure why you think Roy Oslwalt will be THAT much better than Kyle Lohse.  When Lohse is healthy, he’s a solid pitcher.  Still a poor comparison.

3 years 6 months ago

I totally 100% agree with you….

stl_cards16
3 years 6 months ago

I’m glad you are not JohnM then.  I have no interest in watching Bryan Anderson try to catch in the big leagues for the next three years.  5/$50MM is not that bad for a really good catcher.  It’s still short enough that he *should be able to catch into the final year.

stl_cards16
3 years 6 months ago

Delete. never firgured my original post would make it here after going to be reviewed.

$1519287
3 years 6 months ago

Have some faith!

– ECB

BranchRickeysGhost
3 years 6 months ago

Aside from the fact that the Cardinals have no one close in the pipeline to replace him, and the pitching staff worship him, there is a psychological factor involved too.  After losing Pujols, losing Molina would be a big PR nightmare for the Cardinals.  Pay him.

3 years 6 months ago

^^^This. Especially regarding the pitching staff. 
You can deal with the lack of offense (though he’s not nearly as bad as some) since he’s the best defensive catcher and handles the starters and bullpen wonderfully. Pay the guy!

tinman135
3 years 6 months ago

 Couldn’t agree more.  There is a reason that Carp will only let Molina catch for him. 

3 years 6 months ago

Carp don’t have any say so as to who catches him…. C’Mon man. These are management decisions.

3 years 6 months ago

I’m sure he has a say in Molina or the back up when he pitches.

tinman135
3 years 6 months ago

 They actually talked about it a few times last year.  Yadi needed a break, but Carp was scheduled to pitch so he had to wait a day.  They said they typically like to put younger guys with younger guys.  It’s courteous to both the pitcher and catcher.  You wouldn’t want to be Tony Cruz out there catching for Carp.  I mean, if you think about it, the veteran catchers that have been working with the same pitchers for seasons upon seasons are going to know what pitches are their strongest, weakest, etc. 

3 years 6 months ago

Carp don’t have any say so as to who catches him…. C’Mon man. These are management decisions.

tinman135
3 years 6 months ago

 Couldn’t agree more.  There is a reason that Carp will only let Molina catch for him. 

BranchRickeysGhost
3 years 6 months ago

Aside from the fact that the Cardinals have no one close in the pipeline to replace him, and the pitching staff worship him, there is a psychological factor involved too.  After losing Pujols, losing Molina would be a big PR nightmare for the Cardinals.  Pay him.

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

i’d agree if we had a better way to evaluate catcher defense. it’s a pretty sure bet that our current metrics undervalue it quite a bit – and yadier is as good as it gets behind the plate

3 years 6 months ago

Something to keep in mind when judging the contract: the “5th” year essentially is a reworking of his deal for the current year (at $7 mil). (They tried doing the same thing with Pujols last spring — replacing the final year of the old contract with terms of the new one to help it seem more impressive.) So 5 for $50 is really more like 4 for $43 + this year.

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

or 4 for about $68M, as it turns out

3 years 6 months ago

Something to keep in mind when judging the contract: the “5th” year essentially is a reworking of his deal for the current year (at $7 mil). (They tried doing the same thing with Pujols last spring — replacing the final year of the old contract with terms of the new one to help it seem more impressive.) So 5 for $50 is really more like 4 for $43 + this year.

3 years 6 months ago

He is probably taking some bad advice from his buddy Albert

Liam Gallagher
3 years 6 months ago

I wouldn’t normally give catchers 5 year deals since there more likely to injury, but I really like this deal for the Cardinals. He’s been durable for the most part and he’s one of if not the best defensive catchers in baseball. If you can have a catcher who is great with the pitching staff and had great defence (and can hit a little bit) then it’s worth the investment.

CardsEagles1489
3 years 6 months ago

Great news for the Cardinals. With no true replacement anywhere in the minors, this is the only thing that makes sense. Hope it gets done..

dylanp5030
3 years 6 months ago

Brian McCann likes this.

3 years 6 months ago

you got that right…

JohnOrpheus
3 years 6 months ago

5 years and 60 seems quite excessive.

3 years 6 months ago

He is worth every penny

JohnOrpheus
3 years 6 months ago

5 years and 60 seems quite excessive.

sam_lammert
3 years 6 months ago

beautiful

3 years 6 months ago

Wow. If its 70-75 Mil, its a definite overpayment for a defense first catcher.

dylanp5030
3 years 6 months ago

Huge overpayment.

3 years 6 months ago

maybe an option 6 year i am guessing

dylanp5030
3 years 6 months ago

That would make it better…but still too much for a catcher that will turn 30 the year the deal starts.

3 years 6 months ago

maybe an option 6 year i am guessing

3 years 6 months ago

Seems like an overpay.  Are there any catches apart from Mauer even in that range?

California_RedBirds
3 years 6 months ago

Coming from a huge Cardinal fan, I am extremely relieved to see Yadi Molina resigned. His new raise is well deserved!

MacK Korris
3 years 6 months ago

Cardinals will overpay to keep one of the Cardinal stars on the team for the long-term.  Sort of a message to fans saying “We’re sorry about Pujols, but Yadier’s here at least.”  $15M is ridiculous, and I love Yadi.

3 years 6 months ago

Wow. Glad he’ll be back for awhile but this is to much. 12.4 per was my ceiling for him. Even though he likely would have pulled this on the open market.

BranchRickeysGhost
3 years 6 months ago

The Cards have a unique situation though with the loss of Dave Duncan, and so many young pitchers in the pipeline.  I think this probably weighed heavily in the decision to get the deal done before Molina hit FA.  I think we saw with Pujols that there is always at least one team who will throw out more crazy money than the Cardinals can.  They probably figured they couldn’t take the chance.  The Cardinals pitching staff relies heavily on Molina.  It does seem like a lot but there just wasn’t a choice, imo.

3 years 6 months ago

I’m really surprised to see so many people calling this a massive overpay. I would love to have Yadier on my team, although we already have Napoli.
I think it’s a slight overpayment, but with today’s contracts if you only have to “slightly” overpay, you’ve won in my opinion.

BDLugz
3 years 6 months ago

Wow… have fun with him at 14-15 million per year.  No thank you.

ultimate913
3 years 6 months ago

 If it really is 14-15 per year, the other soon to be FA catchers will surely catch on and fetch the same. If so, bye, Russell Martin. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out after this season.

diehardmets
3 years 6 months ago

Major overpay incoming.

DT Flush234
3 years 6 months ago

Not like the risky Pujols Contract. 

astrostl
3 years 6 months ago

Sweet sassy molassy, I at least hope that’s 70-75MM over 6 rather than 5 years.

goredsgo
3 years 6 months ago

y do u guys always have to counter everything we do?