Cubs Will Consider Offers For Almost Every Player

6:31pm: Castro is "first on the list of players [the Cubs] won't trade," according to a team that recently spoke to the Cubs, reports Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.  Knobler also says the Cubs have told teams that they will cover as much as $45MM of the approximately $48MM remaining on Soriano's contract if the outfielder is moved (Twitter link).  At least one team has already expressed interest in Dempster, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.

1:45pm: The Cubs are letting teams know that nearly every player except Jeff Samardzija is available in trades, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports. Some teams are already calling the 18-32 Cubs about potential deals.

"We're starting to get some early calls now," president of baseball operations Theo Epstein told Nightengale. "There might be fewer sellers than usual and a lot more buyers. This has a chance to help us. We need core players."

Starlin Castro could be obtained for two impact prospects, according to Nightengale. First baseman Bryan LaHair and starters Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster could also be acquired. The Cubs will contribute cash in a deal involving Alfonso Soriano, who earns $18MM per season through 2014.

Though Epstein's longtime team, the Red Sox, hasn't been a seller for years, Chicago GM Jed Hoyer was trading Major Leaguers for prospects as recently as last summer. He acquired Joe Wieland and Robbie Erlin from the Rangers for Mike Adams in 2011 when he was the Padres' GM.


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246 Comments on "Cubs Will Consider Offers For Almost Every Player"


Kevin Spry
3 years 2 months ago

there is no way that castro is traded. this is silly

Iron59
3 years 2 months ago

100% right.  Castro is a future MVP — the driving force on that team.  You do not trade a young guy like that for “prospects.” You build a team around him.  Starlin and Theo will grow old together.

Iron59
3 years 2 months ago

100% correct.  You do not move a young talent like Castro for “prospects.” You actually start to rebuild a team around a talent like Castro.  How many blue chippers really pan out?  Just ask Lastings Milledge. Castro is 22 years old.  Methinks he and Theo are going to grow old together.

3 years 2 months ago

Castro deal is a go for two quality players any day.  I still think someday ihe will be a BIG problem and not just for his many errors.   A good 3rd baseman  & aNo. 2 or 3 pitcher would be a steal for us.  Dempster should go, he is nearing the end of the trail.

felami vivi
3 years 2 months ago

 i agrea

3 years 2 months ago

The Rays should trade back Hak Ju Lee and Chris Archer (and a few more pieces) for Starlin Castro. Probably not going to happen, but that would be funny.

3 years 2 months ago

I have my doubts those guys would even come close. They’re got to be looking for a 1-2 punch like Dylan Bundy/Manny Machado or Julio Teheran/Randall Delgado. i wouldn’t accept anything less.

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

The GM’s who pull the trigger on those deals would be in the unemployed line beside tony reagins

chrisenvy
3 years 2 months ago

and working for the Cubs the next day

Kevin Ragusa
3 years 2 months ago

 hahaha, Bundy/Machado for Castro. That’s hilarious.

Brv Rocks
3 years 2 months ago

Both of those trade proposals are ridiculous.

3 years 2 months ago

While it might sound ludicrous, this is what it would take to pry away Castro.  Agree with you

rockfordone
3 years 2 months ago

Matt Moore straight up.

KEK
3 years 2 months ago

 Moore for Castro? Why would the Rays ever trade away a top of the rotation guy for a prospect?

TheFallenSoldier
3 years 2 months ago

Ummmm castro isnt a prospect, he led the NL in hits last year. He is more of a top of the league player.

KEK
3 years 2 months ago

He is 22 and still very much in development, he is a prospect. Baseball is full of guys who were a flash in the pan. Not saying Castro is, but he still has a lot of development to do.

If he is a top of the league player then why are the Cubs even considering trading him?

3 years 2 months ago

Castro is arguably Top 3 shortstop in all of baseball, only 22 yrs old..

Indianaclark
3 years 2 months ago

Castro is not even close to being one of the top 3 shortstops when it comes to fielding.  He needs to become an outfielder and focus on his other skills.

3 years 2 months ago

Agreed his defense isn’t great. His offense at the premium position outweighs his defense though.

Indianaclark
3 years 2 months ago

No doubt he is a fine hitter.  I just feel they would get more mileage out of his abilities by finding a different position for him.

KEK
3 years 2 months ago

 He isn’t even the best SS in Chicago…

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

Seriously?

Ptk123
3 years 2 months ago

LMAO wow. April fools was a few months ago!

101andCounting
3 years 2 months ago

Facepalm.

KEK
3 years 2 months ago

 Yes even discussing trading Moore for Castro is a big facepalm, starting pitchers are often far more valuable, especially one that is 22 and still has to develop more.

3 years 2 months ago

Isn’t Castro someone that you would build around>???

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

eh, there are a number of people who see him moving to 3B in the future, and his bat would only be so-so there.

rainyperez
3 years 2 months ago

Well he can pull an Elvis Andrus and bulk up. If he learns to take a walk or two and starts hitting for power he’ll be even more dangerous. He is 22 so still far off from his prime so no one knows what his ceiling truly is.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

True, and it’s not like I’m saying he’s not a good/valuable player, simply that he’s not necessarily the kind of player you’d want to build around because there is the potential that he may end up as a bit of a “tweener” (not enough defense for SS, not enough bat for 3B) in a couple years.

nycub
3 years 2 months ago

I don’t really think that will end up playing out.  Castro is still very young and his defense, while currently shaky, will almost certainly improve as the years go on.  For example, Alex Gonzalez, widely considered a top defensive SS, made 27 errors when he was 22 years old.  So i’d give him a change before I’d jump to any kind of conclusions…

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

It’s not about the errors, it’s about range.  Most guys add weight as they get older, and he may not have the range for SS once he does.

nycub
3 years 2 months ago

He’s got a great arm and good range right now…I don’t see how that will change because *maybe* he might gain weight.  You can say that about any player.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

You really can’t, there are body types that suggest a player will add weight, and body types that suggest a player is already filled out and doesn’t have room to add bulk.  Castro has a body that suggests he could add a decent amount of weight and he’s already a borderline defender at SS.  If you were talking about a borderline defender who doesn’t have room to add bulk, or a superior defender who does have room to add bulk they could both stick at shortstop, but with a borderline defender who is likely to add bulk there is a reasonable chance that he doesn’t stick there long-term.

nycub
3 years 2 months ago

But, as I said earlier, his “borderline” defense is probably more a product of his age, not necessarily the defender he will mature into.  He hasn’t added the weight yet, nor has he matured into a better defender (though it’s quite likely), so it’s just speculation.  The cubs will not move him to 3B he will lose considerable value.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Right, I was never trying to suggest that it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to be moved, only that it was a real possibility, and a player with that kind of question about his future isn’t exactly a player you would want to build a team around.

Ptk123
3 years 2 months ago

It’s not like Andrus is far bigger. He is listed at 10lbs more than Castro.

3 years 2 months ago

He’s 22, lead the league in hits last year, has 15 stolen bases this year, never hit below .300.  #1 He is not moving away from SS for years. #2 He would be a lot higher than “so-so” at 3B.  The dude can rake

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

“The dude” has never had an OBP as high as .350 and doesn’t hit for power.  Career OPS of .767 and wRC+ of 103; his bat is the epitome of mediocre.

3 years 2 months ago

22 yr old who lead the league in hits already, hasn’t fully developed his power yet.  I’ll take the league leader in hits over a .350 OBP.  Historically speaking, players improve with power when they are in the show at such an early age.  Batting average has increased every year, SLG increased every year. Would you really not want him on your team or think he has peaked??

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

…and OBP has gone down every year.  I don’t care if it’s about a lack of hits or a lack of walks, a sub .350 OBP (.341 career) isn’t good, especially for a guy who doesn’t hit for power (or project to ever hit for much power).  It’s passable for a SS because offense at the position is so bad overall, but it’s far from “raking” and wouldn’t be good at all from a 3B (which was the original premise of this conversation).

3 years 2 months ago

So you are saying OBP is the absolute? OBP is the sole indicator by which you are judging? If YES, then I have to question why you are using only OBP when at a basic level AVG is increasing, SLG increasing and he has shown to outperform his peers at the age of 22. If you say NO then your logic is invalid because OBP is not an absolute.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

His average increasing means absolutely nothing if the percent of time in which he gets on base overall is going down, which is exactly what is happening.  And no, I never suggested that OBP was the only important stat, but it is the only stat you were completely ignoring (which was convenient because it’s the one he’s actually gotten worse at), and it actually is the most important (out of AVG, OBP, and SLG).

It’s been suggested that one point of OBP is worth three points of SLG, or according to TangoTiger’s OPSwins it works out to about 2.5 points of SLG, so either way for every 10 points his OBP drops he has to gain 25-30 points of SLG just to even it out, which he hasn’t (hence his wOBA and wRC+ being worse this year despite his AVG and SLG both being up).

You really don’t even need to know any of that though, simply look at his wRC+ of 107 this year (and 103 career, with 100 being average) and it tells you that he is simply a league average hitter, which is fine for a SS, but again it is not, as you suggest, “raking” and it would not be anything better than so-so for a 3B (actually it would be a lot worse than so-so).  If you don’t like wRC+ (for whatever reason) you could also look at his OPS (as I have already suggested) or his wOBA and both of those would also tell you that his offense is no better than ‘meh.’

If you want to keep ignoring his OPS, wRC+, wOBA, and OBP that’s your prerogative, but don’t pretend I’m suggesting that OBP is the only stat that matters.

3 years 2 months ago

This may sound like repetition of sabermatricians like Jayson Stark, but you are not comparing apples to apples with advanced metrics. There is a philosophical difference in how you are comparing one “advanced” stat to the other as they are not all on equal ground.

First, OBP is not the most important indicator — again you are projecting in absolutes not stating fact. If I were to say SLG is more important than OBP there is no way to prove it. For example, you wrote “It’s been suggested that one point of OBP is worth three points of SLG, or according to TangoTiger’s OPSwins it works out to about 2.5 points of SLG”.  Again, this is not scientific when the analysis is theoretical so don’t treat OBP or wRC+ as the end-all-be-all.

Second, I agree with you that OBP is more important than SLG but not AVG. AVG focuses purely on hit quantity while OBP focuses on walks, lack sacrifice bunting, etc.  A hit is better than a walk.  How much better is a hit than a walk?  I do not know since analysis has not been done on that.  But there is no disputing a hit creates more than a walk.  So if Castro leads the league in hits he will be good at any position. Total hits IS FACT, TangoTigers OPSwins is theory & variable projection.

That is what Jayson Stark, Rob Neyer, Peter Gammons, et al. — professional writers who are the foundation for lots of this analysis — do not like about some “advanced” stats, that it projects as absolutes like you are using when that is not the case.

Castro led the league in hits and did it without leading the league in plate appearances.  FACT, not stats projected as absolute that are opinion, are always better.  You cannot say he would be an average hitter at 3B. 

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Analysis has been done on how much more valuable a single is than a walk, they can tell how much production the average single gives vs the average walk vs the average double etc. and they have (in wOBA for example a BB has a coefficient of .72 and a single .90).  A single is slightly more valuable than a walk, so if a guy was a true talent .340 hitter (with zero walks) he might be about as valuable as a .280 hitter who walks enough to have a .360 OBP, but Castro isn’t a .340 hitter, he’s a .300-.310 hitter who isn’t even walking enough to carry a .330 OBP at this point.

You’re talking in at least as absolute terms as you say I am – you’re acting like leading the league in hits is the only thing that matters – hitting singles is literally the only thing he does well at the plate.

3 years 2 months ago

I would love to continue this convo but am running out of room! What is your email?  Or you can go to my blog & write it there if you dont want to share with everyone.  My blog is nltheory.tumblr.com

I can expand upon the idea of the “average single” vs “average walk” because that is invalid, and i thought had become passe.  A walk is the only static way to get on base as you know it’s minimum & maximum value. A hit, whether single, double,triple or Homer are dynamic in that you do not know the advancement of runners concurrently on base, you only know the placement of the hitter. Anywho, please let me know your email or blog, want to continue this! only

3 years 2 months ago

 No, his power is mediocre and he needs to learn some patience at the plate. His bat is perfectly fine.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Sorry, I supposed that was unfair to whoever made his bats.

williswinning
3 years 2 months ago

OK, Tigers need to get him, move Peralta to 2B, and we have a chance at the division.

101andCounting
3 years 2 months ago

I don’t think you want to move Peralta to 2B, but I’d take Smyly, Oliver, and Castellanos for Castro. 

Paul Shailor
3 years 2 months ago

Done! If we had Castro Verlander would have gotten another no no. That ball was a tough play to make, but Castro could have made it.

williswinning
3 years 2 months ago

 Yes, I’d do that, and yeah I’d move Peralta to 2B.  The 4 we’ve had so far batter .148, .180, .168 and one with just a few games bats .206.

101andCounting
3 years 2 months ago

I wonder what it would take to get Starlin. Who needs a shortstop?

rainyperez
3 years 2 months ago

Giants would like one! Wish Sabean still had Zack Wheeler to give you :( If Sabean still had Wheeler I would envision a package of Wheeler, Belt or Brown, possibly Hembree would have got it done for Castro. But hindsight is 20/20…

55saveslives
3 years 2 months ago

 Hector Sanchez and Gary Brown!

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

Not enough.  Check out how Brown is doing this year.

55saveslives
3 years 2 months ago

 Do you watch baseball or just hate anything Giants?  Gary Brown is a top ranked elite 5 tool prospect.

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

Um yeah I do watch quite a bit of baseball.  Brown has no home runs and his hitting .241/.323/.286. PERHAPS his stock is down a bit, thought it’s a small sample size. Perhaps the Cal league had something to do with his numbers last year? Still has quite a bit of trade value of course, but my comment was merely that I didn’t think your offer was sufficient.

P.S. I really like Buster Posey.

3 years 2 months ago

I would do Crick, Hembree, Brown, Joseph — whatever it takes!  He’s 22 and proven.  Very rarely do prospects pan out as projected.  Just get the 22 yr old proven SS

3 years 2 months ago

I would think the Braves would be interested. And they have several trade chips to boot.

Brv Rocks
3 years 2 months ago

I don’t think the Braves would be interested.  They just promoted their shortstop of the future yesterday.  They need a young centerfielder for next season more than anything.

3 years 2 months ago

Braves would never be in on Castro.  They have Simmons and Pastornicky.  Simmons just got called to the big leagues.  I saw him play extensively last season in Lynchburg.  He is a special talent defensively and should serve well with the bat too.

philliesfan26116
3 years 2 months ago

The Phillies will take him! 

Beersy
3 years 2 months ago

The Padres do bad.  With Hoyer and McLeod knowing the Padres sytem so weel and with the Padre system being one of the better ones in the league, this is the perfect storm.  A young nucleus of Alonso, Maybin, Castro and Luebke is a good place to start when trying to rebuild a team.  Byrnes you had better be on the phone already.

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

Good system, but who do the Padres have that qualifies as a top-shelf prospect? Grandal, Erlin, and Liriano are nice, but I would think the Cubs would aim higher.

monkeydung
3 years 2 months ago

hoping already that Kasten blocks Colleti from the inevitable 4 prospects for Bryan LaHair trade.

101andCounting
3 years 2 months ago

*fingers crossed*

rainyperez
3 years 2 months ago

Can any Cubs fans tell me why Castro’s name has been floating around in trade rumors as of late? A 22 year old shortstop who has not hit his prime plus its hard to find a SS who hits like he does. His walk rate is not great but he can flat out hit.

Tommy Meyers
3 years 2 months ago

System has a couple really good shortstops, plus they would only trade him if the return were INSANE

Ptk123
3 years 2 months ago

There is no logical reason why he should be traded.

rainyperez
3 years 2 months ago

Yes I agree but his name has come up the last couple of months so it seems that they are testing the waters to see what type of return they could get and one team wants to overpay this season then they’ll probably pull the trigger. 

For example I’m sure if a team like the D*Backs offered Skaggs, Bauer, and Stephen Drew Cubs would jump on that in second not saying the D*Backs would do anything remotely stupid but you never know with GMs now in days.

Ptk123
3 years 2 months ago

There is no logical reason that the Cubs would have any intrest in Drew either. He is 29 years old and can’t stay healthy.

melonis_rex
3 years 2 months ago

and a free agent really soon. 

BenRoethig
3 years 2 months ago

Because he doesn’t fit the Theo way of taking pitches. Nt exactly logical, but I could see Epstein and Hoyer doing it.

3 years 2 months ago

can we trade epstein back and get carpenter back what a waste its been getting epstein he wasnt worth it red sox knew what they were dong when they let him go

3 years 2 months ago

You are judging a General Manager that has had 50 games under his belt? Real..

jwsox
3 years 2 months ago

For the 1,000,000th time theo
Is the president and Jed is the gm!

laffingrass
3 years 2 months ago

How many moves have Epstein and Hoyer made?

3 years 2 months ago

Seriously — if the Cubs were that good to begin then there would not have been a President, GM & Manager opening

JakeD
3 years 2 months ago

Single dumbest thing the cubs would do if they trade Castro. He’s playing good defense now, in the top 5 in NL in hits, and is 22 years old. Some people think power will follow with age too. I mean the guy LED the NL in hits last year and was the youngest Cubs All-Star ever! I would hate Epstein and the rest of the front office if he is traded, even if it’s for 2 or 3 good prospects.

BarryLB
3 years 2 months ago

Sorryano now has 6 more RBI’s than LaHair.  Won’t some AL team take him PLEASE?

101andCounting
3 years 2 months ago

They won’t if we keep calling him Sorryano. We’re terrible salesmen.

Step right up and get your power-hitting left fielder! He’s thirty-six and his knees are shot, but boy does he like to do that little hop thingy when he fields a fly ball!

Ptk123
3 years 2 months ago

He doesn’t do the hop anymore, and actually hasn’t been that bad on defense this year.

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

Wow, a large market team trying to dump payroll AND possibly getting rid of building block players.

If it were me, I would keep Samardzija, Garza, Castro and Barney to build around.  I would trade LaHair while his stock is high.

As far as Dempster goes, if he doesn’t really want to be traded, I would work it out with him to trade him now and then resign him as a Free Agent this Winter.  That way, he has a chance to play for a winner and can go back to the Cubs next year while the Cubs dump his salary and get some young players back.  

3 years 2 months ago

Please edit your post and take out the part about building around Darwin Barney. That’s ridiculous. 

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

What is wrong with Barney as a building block?

He is 26 years old.  He is getting paid $500,000 dollars and he is hitting about .270.

You don’t think the Tigers would LOVE to have a Second Baseman performing as well as Barney?

Do you want Brandon Phillips?  Phillips is four years older than Barney, has a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract and is hitting about hte same as Barney.

What do you want?  An over the hill guy, who is overpaid and who underperforms?  I thought Cubs fans had ENOUGH of that already.

If not Barney then WHO?

Who is better than Barney and costs the same or less?  Who is better than Barney and what would it take for the Cubs to either trade for them or sign them as a Free Agent?

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

I’m pretty sure Theo isn’t planning on “building around” the likes of Darwin Barney.  Also, please stop with the Barney/Phillips comparisons.

baseball52
3 years 2 months ago

He’s using batting average as the principal form of comparison while neglecting any other stat. It’s just funny.

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

Again I will ask, when rebuilding a team, WHO is better than Barney and how much do they make and how much would it cost to trade for them?

As it stands now, the Cubs’ Second Basemen collectively rank 10th out of all 30 teams in MLB as far as OPS goes.  With Barney getting most of the playing time, it means he is performing better than half of all Second Basemen in MLB and is getting paid just over league minimum to do so.

As far as Brandon Phillips goes, he plays for a team that thinks themselves contenders, plays in a smaller market and is older than Barney.  Yet their management thought he was good enough to deserve a contract extension that will pay him $72.5 million dollars from now until 2017.  Is that what YOU want the Cubs to do?

I think Phillips is past his prime, injury prone and will see both his offense and defense decline.

Of course, Cubs fans are USED to players like that (Alfonso Soriano) and look where THAT type of player has gotten them….

Nope, complain about Barney all you like.  Then, when he is replaced by a 35 year-old guy making $5 million dollars a year you can complain about hos the old geezer stinks.

baseball52
3 years 2 months ago

Darwin Barney had a wOBA last season of .296. That is awful. Barney’s saving grace is that he is a good defender at 2nd with a UZR of 5.1 last season at 2nd.

Barney’s value going forward to a good team is that of a utility infielder, or at best, an 8 or 9 hitter.

He is not a building block for a franchise.

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

For a team that hasn’t had a winning record in two years (going on three), has a bloated payroll and that says Starlin Castro is not untouchable, Darwin Barney is just fine at Second Base (especially at $500,000 dollars).

Now, if the Cubs had a winning record, were contending for the Play Offs, had plenty of prospects and money to spend/waste, saw Barney as the weakest link and there was a definite upgrade to be had, then, yes, I could see Barney as an unneeded piece.

However, as it stands now, the Cubs don’t have a winning record, aren’t likely to be contenders for years to come and have glaring weaknesses in many other areas.

baseball52
3 years 2 months ago

I’m not disputing that, but 2nd base should be seen as a problem area.

Does Darwin Barney have a place on this roster in the long term future? Yes, I believe I detailed that in my previous response.

However, if say a Kinsler or Pedroia were to hit the market, Barney would not impede Theo and Co. from pursing them

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

 Right and when are Kinsler and/or Pedroia hitting the market?  What market are they hitting, the Free Agent market or the trade market?

If the Free Agent market, how much will it cost to sign them and how long is the contract going to be?

If the trade market, WHAT is it going to cost to get them?  Is it going to wreck your teams farm system?  If so, for how long?

Once they are signed or traded for, how much MORE is it going to cost to improve the team to contending status?

My point is, the Cubs need a LOT to improve to the point of being a contender.  Dumping barney and acquiring Kinsler or Pedroia would help BUT there are still other holes that need to be filled and does your team have the money and talent to fill them?  I think not.

So, keep Barney as a useful, competent inexpensive building block and fill OTHER more glaring holes.

Again, I am pretty sure if you Cub’ fans don’t want Barney that the Detroit Tiger’ fans (or probably half of the other teams in MLB) would be happy to take him off of your hands….

baseball52
3 years 2 months ago

Once again, wonderful straw man.

3 years 2 months ago

 Quit hating on my teams 2B man! Dat Dude is light years ahead of Barney, and where do you get that he is injury prone?

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

 Here is a comparison of Barney versus Phillips with Barney’s stats first.

Games  47 to 44
At Bats  168 to 165
Runs  23 to 26
Hits  46 to 45
Doubles  13 to 6
Triples  2 to 1
Home Runs  3 to 5
RBI’s  15 to 25
Stolen Bases  3 to 1
Batting Average  .274 to .273
On Base Percentage  .326 to .322
Slugging Percentage  .755 to .734

Pay for 2012  $500,000 versus $12,500,000

Tell me, do you really think Brandon Phillips is worth $12 million dollars MORE than Darwin Barney?

baseball52
3 years 2 months ago

Last season, Brandon Phillips was a 6 WAR player, where as Barney was a 2.2 WAR player. Phillips boasted higher averages and aggregates in every significant statistical category by a wide margin.

I’ll take Phillips and it’s not even close.

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

According to Fangraphs, here are BP’s combined WAR value from his age 26 season (2007); 5.1, 3.3, 3.3, 4.4, 6.0, 0.9.

Last year was Barney’s age 25 season and this is his age 26 season.  So far, he has put up WAR numbers of 2.2 and 1.2.  Considering most ball players prime offensive years are 26 to 29, Barney is coming into his prime while Phillips is passing it.

This isn’t to mention Phillips is going to get paid $72.5 million dollars from now until 2017.

I read ALL THE TIME how Alfonso Soriano’s contract is stupid and is a burden for the team yet, here you people are complaining about Darwin Barney.  If YOU want to blow $72.5 million dollars on Brandon Phillips, go for it.

As for me, I will take Barney over the next four years and then use the extra $60 million dollars to fill in holes and upgrade other areas of the team. 

baseball52
3 years 2 months ago

That’s a wonderful straw man; however, the insinuation that Barney is a better player than Phillips is completely outlandish.

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

Never said he was worth $12 million more.

You just called Barney a “building” block and used things like AVG, runs, at-bats, etc. to bolster your argument. That is not ideal.

ctownboy
3 years 2 months ago

Face it, the Cubs are losers and need to be rebuilt.  To rebuild, you have to evaluate what you have and what you need. 

As I look over the roster, the Cubs have three decent Starting Pitchers in Samardzija, Garza and Dempster so they need two more slots to fill (if the Front Office doesn’t think Wells and Wood aren’t the answer).

Rizzo and Vitters seem to be the First Baseman and Third Baseman, respectively, of the future.

Barney and Castro fill the middle infield spots.  That leaves the three Outfield positions, Catcher and Closer to fill (no, I don’t think Soto and Marmol are the answer and Koyie Hill is a waste of a roster spot and has been for a few years).

Finally, for those who don’t think Starlin Castro is the future at Short Stop then move him to Left Field.  Defensively, he cant be any worse than Alfonso Soriano and, all things considered, his offense is about the same with the potential to get better (while Soriano’s gets worse).

kevinfoley46
3 years 2 months ago

Barney isn’t someone you build around. But otherwise agree. Though I wouldn’t be surprised to see LaHair end up in right if they dont trade him.

3 years 2 months ago

Milwaukee Brewers are in desperate need of a SS since Alex Gonzalez went down for the season with a torn ACL.  If they get an indication that Greinke may sign an extension and they get within a couple games of .500 then I’d expect them to go after Castro.  Especially since Antanosio stated today that Milwaukee will be buyers at the deadline (albeit it’s only May 31st).  SP Thornburg & SP Peralta, possibly SP Jungmann too for Castro.  That’s three top 5 prospects.  Taylor Green (IF) could also be included.   

3 years 2 months ago

The Brewers don’t have the farm to pull off a trade for Castro.

3 years 2 months ago

That’s why 3-4 (AA) prospects may be in order instead of the 2 (AAA) prospects.  Wishful thinking, yes.  But I think we’re all smoking oregano if we think the Cubbies are truly considering moving the man.
Garza’s stock has started to drop, so I could see him getting moved first.

3 years 2 months ago

The Cubs will ask for the moon and will never get the return they want.  This is all talk.

StanleyHudson
3 years 2 months ago

Wonder what it would cost the Red Sox to land get Garza. Probably Lavarnway for starters. No?

RedSx799
3 years 2 months ago

 If Matt Garza gets traded to the Sox I’m going to lose my mind. the spitting, oh the spitting!

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

More than I would want them to give up for him.  He’s had exactly one great year (a few okay-good ones, but only one great one) and now everyone pretends he’s an ace, and someone is going to give up an ace-worthy package for him I just hope it’s not the Sox.

Kevin Ragusa
3 years 2 months ago

 He’s durable and gets k’s. He’s not an ace, but he’s a solid pitcher.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Solid pitcher is exactly what I would call him too, but people (including people ‘in’ the game) talk and act like he’s a top of the rotation pitcher all of a sudden, and he’s not.

3 years 2 months ago

Wil Middlebrooks

StanleyHudson
3 years 2 months ago

Surely you jest.

kevinfoley46
3 years 2 months ago

I thought the same thing. The Sox are so desperate for pitching that they’ll probably trade for dempster or garza and give up middlebrooks only to see Middlebrooks do great and everyone on the sox do nothing (See; Reddick for Bailey, Lowrie for Melancon)

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

The Cubs might ask for him, but there’s no way the Red Sox even consider making that trade.

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

What would it take for the jays to get Garza?

jammin502
3 years 2 months ago

 The Jays probably are one of the teams that do have some pieces that the Cubs would want.  Henderson Alvarez might be a good starting point.

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

why would the jays trade a current starter for another starter?

thats a pretty miniscule improvement.

It has to be minor league prospects.

jammin502
3 years 2 months ago

 I remember the Garza talks this Winter, and Alvarez was a name that was brought up.  He is only 22 so he is still a prospect, but definitely the type of player the Cubs would be looking for in a Garza trade.  The rumors should be interesting …

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

that wouldnt make sense from a jays stand point, it barely makes them better

3 years 2 months ago

You don’t think Garza is a significant upgrade over Alvarez? I’ve only seen highlight of Alvarez so I cannot speak authoritatively on him

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

garza is definitely better than alvarez.

but when you factor contract and years of control and the fact that it would be alvarez plus, not straight up.. it really doesn’t make sense from a jays stand point..

alvarez is young, if he can add a good breaking ball he’ll me a good middle of the rotation starter.

3 years 2 months ago

Good breakdown, thank you!

dylanp5030
3 years 2 months ago

Prob Gose to start.

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Prospects

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

darn it

you headed to the big smoke for the series this weekend?

MaineSox
3 years 2 months ago

Unfortunately no.  You going to catch a game or two?

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

Drabek V Doubront on Saturday… should be a low scoring game, with no walks.

I’ll be in the outfield in a white shirt that says ‘curveball’

Butterflyy89
3 years 2 months ago

Lawrie.+ Prospects.

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

for the entire cubs team?

actually still no

Butterflyy89
3 years 2 months ago

Seriously.

3 years 2 months ago

Bryan Adams first born child…..

mkl_nyn
3 years 2 months ago

Not a fan of Garza back in the AL East, but always fun throwin out trade ideas I guess.  Garza was traded for the Cubs’ 1st (Archer), 4th (HJL), and 10th (Guyer) top BA ranked prospects plus a couple fillers (Chirinos and Fuld) – with Archer, at the time, being the only Top 50 prospect (#27) moving in the deal.  So I’m guessing one of Gose/Marisnick, one of Norris/Syndergaard/Sanchez, maybe Deck or Hutch and a couple fillers should be enough. 

Garza for Gose, Norris, McGuire and Jenkins?

Seems pretty steep to me for another #2 or 3 starter, but don’t see Hoyer and Epstein taking anything less with Garza’s value being relatively high right now.  If AA was going to make this move, he was/he’d be better off signing Edwin Jackson in the offseason and saving the farm.

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

Rays got more than they should have for Garza.. doesn’t mean that the Cubs will do the same.

Losing gose and Norris will be tough

MonsterPike
3 years 2 months ago

 LoL!!  Look at what those players are doing right now: Guyer moved to the 60 day DL… Fuld gonna miss most of the season. 30 yr. old, low ceiling. Chirinos still hurt & couldn’t throw a runner out even when he wasn’t.  Career minor leaguer, low ceiling and  Mendoza line hitting.

Archer & Lee, the center pieces.  Archer still young, 23, but still doesn’t have full command of his pitches & still needs to add a pitch if he’s gonna be a starter in the bigs.  Not having a good season at AAA.  Could be a solid reliever.  H-J Lee, very young, 21, still a couple, 3 years away… struggling at the plate this yr. & last.  Error prone, committing 10 errors already at AA this yr. in 228 chances…

Garza pitching pretty decently w/a few hiccups here n there, but otherwise a very good #1 or 2 pitcher.  I’d say the Cubs are winning this trade… That’s not even counting Zach Rosscup who was pitching very well at high A ball Daytona last yr. before an injury shut him down.  I believe he’s still in extended spring training while he rehabs.

mkl_nyn
3 years 2 months ago

Notice the “at the time” part regarding prospect rankings.  Prospect value changes from year to year, and that’s what the Cubs felt Garza was worth at the time of the trade.  They’re probably going to at least try to get similar value if they decide to flip him this summer.  Hindsight is a nice prospect/trade argument cop-out isn’t it?  Also, never a good idea to “LoL!!” people for no good reason, kinda rude.

MonsterPike
3 years 2 months ago

 And “Notice” I wasn’t replying to you… I responded to the guy (Lunchbox) who said “Rays got more than they should have for Garza.” I backed up my angle with facts & I stand by what I said along with the “LoL!!”.

mkl_nyn
3 years 2 months ago

Don’t know how I feel about AA giving up any of the Jays’ top 3 pitching prospects (Norris/Syndergaard/Sanchez?) for another not-an-ace ace, they already have one of those.

On Chicago’s end, starting a rebuild with a Jackson/Gose/Szczur OF would look pretty good on paper.

TheFallenSoldier
3 years 2 months ago

The cubs want pitching prospects

Hot Beef Injection
3 years 2 months ago

As frustrating as Castro can be (plate disciplane, defense, maturity) it makes no sense for the Cubs to trade their most talented position player who is cost controlled.

RedSx799
3 years 2 months ago

Enjoy it, Cubs fans. Theo Epstein isn’t the genius he’s portrayed as being.

Carlos M
3 years 2 months ago

Jed Hoyer is the GM. He seemed to do pretty good in San Diego.

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

Yeah only 2 titles.  Awful.

RedSx799
3 years 2 months ago

 here is the opposite argument to that: 2004 he added his mark to the team built by Duquette. He did add key contributors, but the team was largely built by He who came before. The 2005 trade for Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell was orchestrated by Jed Hoyer and Ben Cherrington during Theo’s “crazy time”. After that his track record went down hill.
JD Drew
Edgar Rent-a-Wreck
Letting Alex Gonzalez walk. Twice.
Trading for Wily Mo Pena.
Julio Lugo
$100M ($50MM in Salary $50MM in posting fees) for Daisuke
Carl Crawford
The track record after the 2004 season stinks. He is a good executive. I wish him nothing but the best in Chicago and wish the Cubs success (with the exception of their games against the Red Sox)  but he isn’t the golden boy genius I saw on a magazine cover walking on water. That’s lake Michigan, and he’s walking on it.

3 years 2 months ago

Remember when the Pirates gave the Cubs Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton to the Cubs for Bobby Hill? How about they return the favor! Pirates have not had a solid short stop since Jay Bell in the 90s…also have not had a winning season since Jay Bell in the 90s. Bring Castro to Pittsburgh!

3 years 2 months ago

but you guys got Ronny Cedeno :)

Ptk123
3 years 2 months ago

And he improved the Pittsburgh bar economy. Double bonus!

Lunchbox45
3 years 2 months ago

best avatar ever

3 years 2 months ago

Any player is available for the right price.  They will never get the prospects they would want for Castro.

Slopeboy
3 years 2 months ago

Don’t anything else, you’ve screwed up for one day!

jammin502
3 years 2 months ago

Castro might be the one piece that the Cubs still have that is keeping a few butts in the seats.  A 22 year old that is averaging 200 hits per year…  Lou Brock … anybody?