Sherman On Dempster, Lee, Gonzalez

MLB executives expect the additional Wild Card teams to slow the trade market this summer, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes. The Cubs and a few other teams such as the Athletics, Astros and Padres are willing to sell now, but most clubs still hope to contend this summer. Here are some notes from Sherman on the trade market:

  • No clear difference makers appear to be available right now, Sherman reports. People are generally waiting to see if the Brewers or Phillies decide to trade established stars for controllable talent.
  • A Yankees official told Sherman that Ryan Dempster would just “muddy the water” in New York, an indication that the Yankees aren’t overly interested in the Cubs right-hander.
  • Though there’s no indication that Cliff Lee and Carlos Gonzalez are available, Sherman makes the case that their respective clubs should consider trades for them this summer. Lee, who has a nine-team no-trade list, would appeal to a number of contenders, and Gonzalez would draw considerable interest in a trade market that currently features few impact hitters.
  • Sherman points out that people in the industry see California native Cole Hamels heading toward a big payday from the Dodgers after the season when he hits free agency.


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68 Comments on "Sherman On Dempster, Lee, Gonzalez"


dylanp5030
3 years 2 months ago

Why would Rockies trade CarGo? They have their 3-4 hitters for a long time, why get rid of one when he hasn’t even reached his prime?

Hamels should be traded along with Polly, Victorino, Thome, and Pierre. But my gut is RAJr. Thinks they will turn it around all of a sudden when Chase and Ryan come back.

3 years 2 months ago

 Gonzalez’s contract is backloaded, he makes $5 million this year at 26 but $16M, $17M and $20M the last 3 years of his contract, which runs through him being 31.

I don’t agree he should be traded this year, but with the Rockies looking like they aren’t going anywhere its a possibility.

progmatinee
3 years 2 months ago

The Rockies would trade Tulo before Cargo.

3 years 2 months ago

Doubtful.  Cargos career splits home versus away are worse.  Slugging shortstops are a lot harder to find than outfielders.

Thizzie
3 years 2 months ago

Yea but tulo is a chump and probably wearing on his teammates with every passing temper tantrum.  In all of his years I bet Helton hates this team the most…

bleedrockiepurple
3 years 2 months ago

I don’t disagree that Tulo has some growing up to do, but that doesn’t mean teams would give up less to get him because of that fact. The amount it would take for the Rox to give him up, regardless of his temper tantrums, would scare nearly every team away if not all of them.

progmatinee
3 years 2 months ago

Both arguments you present help my argument. lol

Those splits make Cargo’s value highest at Coors, so he’s more likely to stay, not go.

Tulo’s trade value is higher because of the premium position.

I don’t think either are likely moved, but I think from the Rockies perspective Tulo would get the better return, they have good SS prospects, and Tulo makes more money.
Tulo has the management support, of course, but that could all change with the tide. Cargo is probably a more likable player that new leadership may want to build around before a grumpy player like Tulo.

Again, neither are likely to move, but if I had to guess who first its Tulo.

Thizzie
3 years 2 months ago

If money and length of contract were equal:

Would you rather have Cargo or Josh Hamilton on your team?

3 years 2 months ago

Hamilton easily

3 years 2 months ago

cargo of course. he is younger, less likely to get hurt and dont have to worry about a alcohol or drug relaps with him. he has the same ammount of power if not more power then hamilton. better defensively, faster, stronger arm.

rundmc1981
3 years 2 months ago

Cargo. I’ll take more games played, with less off the field drama, and Cargo takes out less fans in the stands. 

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

“A Yankees official told Sherman that Ryan Dempster would just “muddy the water” in New York, an indication that the Yankees aren’t overly interested in the Cubs right-hander.”

As of now, I’d have to completely agree with this. (Again as of now).

This is not to say every Yankee pitcher is better than Dempster of course, but the Yankees do not have starting pitching problems right now and I don’t think it’s something they should worry about. Is it going to continue to be like this for the rest of the season, well most likely not, but Dempster is not going to have the same stats either once he switches to the toughest division to pitch in in baseball.

3 years 2 months ago

i have to agree. every since petttitte came back Hughes,Nova, and Kuroda have been pitching better. CC needs to figure out his 1st inning woes maybe lose some weight but other then that their pitching staff is good and just got better when robertson came back. their biggest issue now is OF. should try to trade for Josh Reddick, send nunez to oakland lol.

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

It’s also tough to decide on who to send down (Maybe not that tough, would have to be Wise I guess)

Wise cannot hit at all but he’s a good fielder and has good speed. Nix is our bakcup infielder and I have no clue why Girardi uses this guy in the OF. He should only be in the game when Jeter and Cano (which is extremely rare for him) need rest.

And if A-Rod needs to be the DH or rest, then play Chavez

If they get another OFer, I’m not saying he has to be in the lineup every day, but I prefer one with a good bat. And again the only question is, who would you send down? Wise can’t hit, Nix can’t hit, Chavez can hit okay (not great but I wouldn’t say he’s terrible since he has a bit of pop)

Basically when both Jones and Ibanez are in the lineup, it makes the Yankees bench absolutely terrible.

My comment did not get approved yet probably because it contained a D word, so I’ll shorten it to Chris D as a possible choice (I thikn you know who I mean, he was in the OF last year). Also has good speed, not bad in the OF, a sub par bat though but it’s better than Wise’s.

3 years 2 months ago

to be honest i dont know why girardi does half the bone head moves he does. but in the end it works. but I believe the yankees need to get bats in the line- up. but also that hughes is now pitching for other teams. I honestly dont see Hughes stayin on the team before the trade deadline and he will be traded. either that or thrown in the bullpen and release garcia. I believe Garza will be a yankee come july 31st. because in all honesty there is no telling how long hughes,nova and kuroda can stay with the consistentcy that their on before they fall apart again. whats sad is Kuroda has been so inconsistent but has the teams best ERA for a SP @ 3.40 while sabathia is hanging around 3.70 4.00.

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

 If Hughes remains hot (A big if), why would they trade him?

And I’m pretty sure Sabathia’s ERA is going to drop (as in get better)

rockfordone
3 years 2 months ago

Philly should trade Hamels to Dodgers right now for Zack Lee and Chris Reid. He’s going there anyway in winter.

vtadave
3 years 2 months ago

They can have those guys, as long as Zach Lee and Chris Reed aren’t part of the deal.  :-)

3 years 2 months ago

I rather the Yankees pick up a decent bat to help us with the RISP problem.  However, don’t know if anyone is available for a good price.  Pitching has been good lately and baring any injuries should not be the clear focus.  I see Cashman standing pat again this year.

3 years 2 months ago

Agreed on the bat, but where would you put it. The problem with this team right now is that even if you get an impact bat, you’re taking another one out of the lineup. You can’t move tex with that salary, same goes for ARod. Ibanez has been good at DH, when Gardner comes back he’s going to start too. The only way to get an impact bat is if you can move swisher, Gardner, or Martin. Everyone else is immovable, or not worth moving (Cano, Jeter, Granderson).

3 years 2 months ago

Something tells me that Gardner may not be back this season.  I really hope I am wrong, but the fact he keeps getting pushed back worries me.  Either they are being very cautious or something else is seriously wrong.  With that in mind I believed we would pick up a DH (who can play a different position) and platoon Jones/Ibanez is left.  Not ideal, but hey it could work.  Then we really wouldn’t have an issue with the lineup.

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

My comment didnt’ get approved yet, but in case it doesn’t, why not get rid of or send down Wise (who can’t hit at all)  and get a better hitting OFer? Or maybe call up Dickerson who like Wise, can field, has some good speed, and while nothing special, is a bit better with the bat.

If Dickerson isn’t good enough, make a trade. But Wise is not a guy that they can have in the lineup every day and Ibanez is not a guy they can put in the field every day. Yes Jones is there but he’s not very great either although better than Ibanez. And Nix is a backup infielder and should only play when Cano and Jeter are out. If A-Rod needs out, they have Chavez

 

Slopeboy
3 years 2 months ago

The RISP issue is not going to change by bringing in another bat. As D Zane says, ‘where are you going to put it in the line-up?’ The Yankees line-up is a power
line-up,with very little speed.There are no what you would call, punch & Judy hitters. They’re not built to hit singles and move runners along one base at a time, they’re mashers.
Jeter and Gardner are only ones that resemble singles hitters, so while RISP hitting
is an issue, it’s going to have to play itself out. Hopefully the percentages will even out throughout the season, but don’t look for another bat to be the cure.

3 years 2 months ago

 I see what you mean, but I don’t agree.  I suppose this is a situation where we agree to disagree :).

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

If Gardner is out for a significant period of time, get another OFer. Wise cannot hit at all and should be nothing more than a pinch runner or defensive replacement. Then put Ibanez fully at DH, with rest on occasion of course then making Jones or A-Rod the DH.

I honestly think Chris Dickerson would help out. I know he’s not known for his bat much but his career OBP is pretty good, he also is a good defender like Wise, and he can steal bases.

Again I’m not saying to play him every day but I think he could be playing days on when Ibanez and/or Jones need rest.

And Nix should only be in the lineup when Jeter and Cano are out. He should not be in the OF

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

 Now I see both my comments got approved

3 years 2 months ago

As far as Im concerned Wise=Dickerson. They need a consistent hitter there, that’s all. Idk who is that is yet, because it’s not a power guy like quentin. They need a .280 hitter who gets on base with more speed then swisher (basically another gardner). Someone who I hate, but really fits what they need (if healthy) is youk. He would suck defensively in left, but I’m sure he could be better than Ibanez out there. 

I hadn’t heard Gardner might not be back, the latest was 3-4 weeks right? or Some point after the all star break? But Cargo would also be sick if he’s actually on the block (doubtful).

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

Fair to say Wise = Chris D, but Chris D is a TAD upgrade. A trade would be a better decision in that case of course. Agreed about getting a .280 hitter with a good OBP and speed.

I heard Gardner was out til the ASB, which means he probably will suffer another setback right before his return, which happened twice since he’s last played.

3 years 2 months ago

Gardner is prob not gonna be back this season. and as you said lbanez is a good DH and thats exactly where he and jones need to stay. so yeah they need another impact bat in that line up. Could try to trade for Bourne, Reddick, Quentin, maybe even the dbacks will put upton or chris young on the block (prob wont but if they do) definentely could go after one of those two.

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

I think they need an impact bat on the bench more so than the lineup. No one outside of Chavez can hit well (that is when Jones and Ibanez are both in the lineup). Jones, Ibanez and Nix should not be in the OF. I’d say they get an OFer who is good defensively and has a decent bat (hopefully a good bat with RISP lol). Doesn’t have to be an every day player of course.

3 years 2 months ago

hey stewart is hitting ok, and he is doing his job whether its moving the runners over or sacrifise rbi. he is actually hitting better then martin. may not be homeruns but he is getting the job done.

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

 Stewart is hitting okay but backup catchers Rarely ever come in to pinch hit

3 years 2 months ago

I think they should look into brining up either mustelier or almonte. Must is raking in AAA, he’s old for a guy in the minors, but it gets to a point where he doesn’t have anything left to prove. Almonte, while still in AA is repeating the year, and with his speed could be very serviceable until gardner is back.I know the yankees almost never make multilevel jumps but this is a good situation for it.

3 years 2 months ago

If the Cards fall out of the playoff race how about Beltran? I know he has a no trade clause but reports are that he and his wife love NY city and he has business interest there. He came to St. Louis because he wanted an opportunity to win a championship. His contract is up after 2013 so it wouldn’t be a long term commitment such as what Swisher would require.   

3 years 2 months ago

 Hamilton is 5 years older.  If they were the same age it would be Hamilton hands down.

Roy Munson
3 years 2 months ago

The Yanks were never interested in Dempster, just Theo doing is job by planting a story that they were in attempt to raise the asking price for other teams in AL East. 

the_show
3 years 2 months ago

I think Dempster is a bit of a gamble for an American League team with his high lifetime ERA against the league

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

Many pitchers in the National League are gambles in the AL East.

3 years 2 months ago

not garza lol

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

There is a reason I said Many. I didn’t say Every.

3 years 2 months ago

Garza could become the dominant pitcher he once was with tampa if he ends up back in the AL East. hopefully the yankees and move hughes to the pen to make the bullpen much better

stl_cards16
3 years 2 months ago

Garza has been pretty much the same pitcher in the AL East and the NL Central.  A solid pitcher but nothing I would call “dominant”.

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

Ahh, my above comment was in reply to @the_show:disqus

3 years 2 months ago

Joel Sherman, who in their right mind is going to pay Cliff Lee’s remaining salary?

It’s 124 million minus what’s been paid so far in 2012 and minus a buyout of 12.5 in 2016 if ‘Ol Cliffy can’t go when he’s 37.

As for CarGo, there’s no way he’s leaving the Rockies, however I could see Todd Helton being available. Not sure what they would get for him, but I could see him wanting to leave to get a chance at the playoffs, if someone wanted him.

MB923
3 years 2 months ago

Pretty sure the Phillies would pay a good portion of Lee’s contract

3 years 2 months ago

the texas rangers lol

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 2 months ago

 3 years $87.5 million which is about $29 million per season.

I’m assuming the Phillies would have to eat between $4-$9 million annually off the contract or a lot towards the back end of the deal.

bleedrockiepurple
3 years 2 months ago

If you want more attention Sherman, at least make up trade possibilities about players that could be realistic. No one in their right mind would trade for Lee and that remaining salary, espcially this winter. There was a reason the Rockies front office gave CarGo the 8 year extension. It would not only be catastrophic to the team and the clubhouse, but the fan base, ticket sales, etc. It would really hurt this franchise overall, to trade him espcially at some point this year.

Truitalian9
3 years 2 months ago

Mason Williams, Manny Banuelos, Nova, and Gary Sanchez for Carlos Gonzalez and Jermie Guthrie

Its not a ridiculous trade at all… Tell me who could give a better package to Colorado?

3 years 2 months ago

for guthrie? im going to give guthrie the benefit of the doubt that the only reason he is sucking is because he is pitching in colorado. but the funny thing is pitchers pitch better in colorado, but when leave the rockies they start to suck (chacon, jimenez). and i wouldnt give up Sanchez in a deal for anyone. he is the yankees next best hitting catching prospect after montero being traded. Romine i can see, but not sanchez. and i wouldnt give up nova as i would send hughes.

Williams,Banuelos,Hughes and Romine for CarGo and Guthrie.

bleedrockiepurple
3 years 2 months ago

That’s absurd. Williams is very raw, but does have a high ceiling, he’s a nice piece. We all know about Banuelos. Romaine has been on the 60-day DL all year, and hasn’t put up outstanding numbers down on the farm and seems much more skilled defensively than offensively and that still has translated to actual games with a 23% caught stealing rate from last yr. And why Hughes? How would a 26 year old who has already regressed with a history of arm issues entice a team to trade their MVP-caliber, 5 tool outfielder? Williams and Banuelos are nice pieces but O’Dowd would hang the phone up before you could finish saying Phil Hughes if you were asking for CarGo.

Truitalian9
3 years 2 months ago

His trade wouldnt happen. 

I would like to see a team submit a better offer then
williams, sanchez, nova, and banuelos 

bleedrockiepurple
3 years 2 months ago

I never said there was a better offer, but what I was getting at was, what Chris came up with was a huge step back from what you came up with. I think the Yankees would be willing to give a package like that to Seattle for King Felix before Colorado.

Slopeboy
3 years 2 months ago

You’re putting way too much sugar in the Kool-Aid you’re drinking!
Why exactly, would the Yankees feel the need to make that trade?

Jeff Snedden
3 years 2 months ago

If Carlos Gonzalez is available, I’ll help pack up Jameson Taillon and Gerritt Cole right now and drive the truck to Denver to pick up CarGo.  The Rockies would have to be nuts to trade him, young, long term deal in place, and a ridiculous player.

Jacob Danovitch-Tatoff
3 years 2 months ago

This makes perfect sense for the Jays. How about McDade, Smith, Jr., Jenkins, McGuire, Perez, D’Arnaud/Arencibia, Lopes, Dean, Sierra, Wojcieshowski, Cardona, and Comer for Gonzalez and Guthrie? Maybe not all of those 12 prospects, but most…. This could be perfect for the Jays. It’d shut up the fans, get a great young player, and it’d get them their bat and pitcher, while still having a pretty good farm system. Thoughts?

Thizzie
3 years 2 months ago

Thank Jasko, but the site is called MLBTrade “Rumors”

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 2 months ago

The real question doesn’t have anything to do with where Hamels signs next year, it is why the Dodgers would give up one first round draft pick for a rental, let alone, two.

rockfordone
3 years 2 months ago

Da – He’d look nice in the playoff rotation this year. 

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 2 months ago

because signing him next season doesn’t help you win the World Series this year.

and you’re ASSUMING they sign him. Just like the Yankees and their fans assumed they’d sign Cliff Lee… and look how that worked out.

… not only did he NOT sign with New York, he beat them.

3 years 2 months ago

To be fair, with all the leads this bullpen has blown I’d be shocked that, if the Phillies are still around .500 at the deadline, they didn’t try to acquire some bullpen arms at the deadline.

rockfordone
3 years 2 months ago

The list probably has KC, Pitt, M’s, SD, O’s, Cubs, Twins, Mets, and A’s. But a couple of those teams aren’t doing bad.

3 years 2 months ago

i can see cinci, pittsburgh, st.louis (if wainwright dont start winning), the giants (with lincecum well he is missing this year) baltimore, cleveland, and the angels (just because their competing now with texas)

stl_cards16
3 years 2 months ago

It probably has more to do with playing preference than teams that he thinks will do poorly during the life of his contract.  I also doubt they would waste time putting small market teams on there as they know that a trade to SD(example) is very unlikely to ever happen.

Joey E
3 years 2 months ago

Cliff Lee isn’t from NY like Cole and Southern California either.

3 years 2 months ago

 For shizzle.

JamesOrLurch
3 years 2 months ago

 It’s not Wainwright’s fault that he isn’t winning games, it’s the bullpen’s fault. Wainwright has been pitching as well as one can expect from someone returning from TJ surgery, if not better, especially lately. The Cards need bullpen help more than starting rotation help or any other area, really. Carp could possibly be back soon, so that would help both the rotation and the bullpen as one of the starters would go to the BP.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 2 months ago

Not that I can see. You said that the reason the Dodgers should not give up a top prospect (or two) is because Hamels would sign with the Dodgers next year anyway. I am saying that it does’t make any difference where he signs next year, it still isn’t worth top prospect(s) to rent him for the rest of this season.