Braves Acquire Paul Janish

The Braves have acquired shortstop Paul Janish from the Reds in exchange for right-hander Todd Redmond, tweets Mark Bowman of MLB.com.  Atlanta has confirmed the deal in a press release.

Janish, 29, has spent 2012 with Triple-A Louisville after playing 114 games for the Reds last season.  The shortstop has never been much of a hitter but boasts a very strong glove.  Janish owns a .221/.289/.302 slash line in 324 career games and could offer support at shortstop in the absence of Andrelton Simmons.

Redmond, 27, has never appeared in a big league game.  The right-hander has been with Triple-A Gwinnett since 2009 and has a 3.78 ERA with 7.5 K/9 and 2.6 BB/9 in 97 starts.


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  1. Gunner65 3 years ago

    A trade of two AAAA players (yawn)

    • turkey86 3 years ago

       Never heard of AAAA

      • WisBrave 3 years ago

        If you sit in AAA long enough then your considered a AAAA. Or also Known as career minor leaguers for depth purposes or place holders till other prospects emerge.

        • turkey86 3 years ago

          Ah….clever.  Thanks!

        • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

          if you succeed in AAA but never produce in the bigs, you’re considered an AAAA*

          janish has never actually had success in AAA, though, so i don’t think he’s technically in that category

          • …but Redmond definitely is.  And according to one of the beat writers, the Braves were gonna lose him (out of options, I presume) this winter.

          • Jeff 3 years ago

             Minor-League free agent, and he isn’t AAAA because he hasn’t failed in the majors yet.

          • Karkat 3 years ago

            I believe Janish’s category is “bad player”

          • roberty 3 years ago

            He’s a “defensive specialist.”

          • Karkat 3 years ago

             Yep, that’s what I said

      • Quint-A is when you are good enough to play in the majors, but can’t cut it in the AL East. 😉

      • rundmc1981 3 years ago

        Never heard of the KC Royals?

    • Tim Bliss 3 years ago

       We don’t know if Todd Redmond is a AAAA player. The Braves have been to stupid to give him a chance at the ML level even though he has blown away Triple-A for the last few years.

    • Tim Bliss 3 years ago

       Redmond never got a chance with the Braves. Why? I have no idea. He has put up great stats at Triple-A for the last 4 years.

      • TimotheusATL 3 years ago

        probably has something to do with the fact that a major league rotation doesn’t have 8 slots in it.

  2. tomymogo 3 years ago

    God Wren, for a second there I thought you were actually gonna make an upgrade over Jack Wilson

    •  why? Simmons will be back this season. There’s no reason to make a big splash and waste money with him coming back. Just needed a stop gap.

  3. michael hughes 3 years ago

    I didn’t think they’d go out and find someone actually worse than Jack Wilson, wow, that actually took some skill.

    • Tim Bliss 3 years ago

       Anyone has to be an upgrade over Wilson’s .169/.189/.211 slash line.

      • michael hughes 3 years ago

        My thought was at least Wilson can be counted on to play good defense and has never slashed a line as bad as he is now so chances are he’s in line for at least some improvement. Janish really offers nothing except technically being a shortstop. 

        • nathanalext 3 years ago

          You ever see Janish play shortstop? I don’t think he’ll be too much of a downgrade from Wilson defensively (if a downgrade at all)

          • michael hughes 3 years ago

            You’re right, I think I’m being too negative here. I’ve seen a tiny bit of Janish play but nothing I can even really remember. There just hasn’t been much to be positive about as a Braves fan. 

          • 6 in a row, buddy

          • michael hughes 3 years ago

            True, but I don’t like what I’m seeing out of the starters, and Hanson had some problems again today. It’s less the team and more the front office that seems kind of stubborn right now. I feel like they need to make a move for a quality starter and it feels like I’m going to be disappointed. I could easily be wrong though. If they get Jason Vargas though…

        • Jeff 3 years ago

           Wilson’s defense is half what it used to be.  He offers nothing over Simmons, especially with him on the DL now for at least half the time Simmons will be out.

    • It is not like there are a ton of quality ss available.

  4. coolstorybro222 3 years ago

    I think they had defense in mind when they got this guy

  5. the most boring trade in both reds and braves history

    • rundmc1981 3 years ago

      I don’t know, I slept like a baby the night I heard about the Juan Francisco/JJ Hoover deal.

  6. For everyone saying it’s boring, or asking about an upgrade, upgrading wasn’t the point.  We need a VERY short term ss, and we got one.  We only need him for when Simmons and Wilson are both hurt.  4-6 weeks he’ll be gone.  Or Wilson.

    • craigkimbrelfan 3 years ago

      Upgrading wasn’t the point?  Why did they make a trade then?  Wilson wasn’t hurt when they started looking…

      •  They made the trade bc the next SS in line is Pastornicky who clearly isn’t ready and that’s been proven. They need someone in the meantime.

        • craigkimbrelfan 3 years ago

          So it is an upgrade, in some sense then, am I mistaken?  

          • CowboyJames 3 years ago

            Yes it was an upgrade…but it didnt need to be an upgrade over Jack Wilson which I believe Janish actually is but thats niether here nor there. It needed to be an upgrade over Pastornicky which it clearly is.

          • FishBraves 3 years ago

            It might not be an exciting trade but it should be an upgrade.  Janish has a track record of good defense in recent years.  Jack Wilson is past his prime.

            link to fangraphs.com

            link to fangraphs.com

            Wilson hasn’t posted a positive in 3 years.  Janish actually looks like he could be an average to slighty below average shortstop.

    • Jeff 3 years ago

       It will be september by then, so expanded rosters.  Don’t need to make a decision until offseason.

      Janish should be kept as AAA depth, and Prado should be the backup SS when he isn’t doing something else next year.

  7. Well…  Under most circumstances, I’d rather have Redmond.  But the Braves really, really, really, need a SS for a few weeks, so I’ll keep my mouth shut.

  8. tomymogo 3 years ago

    If defense was the only consideration I prefer Brendan Ryan

  9. craigkimbrelfan 3 years ago

    Paul Janish….can it get any more unexciting?  

  10. Even as a Braves fan, I find myself hating most other Braves fans. How hard is it to realize they just needed a temporary solution? So blame Wren; that’s the answer. Any other GM would have landed Jeter, Starlin Castro, Hanley Ramirez, or Alexei Ramirez while only giving up 2 career AA players and getting the other team to pay 80% of the incoming guy’s salary. 4 games out of 1st and 8 games over .500 with the 2nd worst pitching in the NL and people are still crying about Wren.

    • craigkimbrelfan 3 years ago

      Yeah but since they’d been looking for someone before Wilson got hurt, the FO thinks Janish is an upgrade.  And I only see one mention of Wren in this entire thread.  

      •  He might not be called out by name, but who do you think made the trade?? You and I are 2 of the 3 people here who are actually supporting the trade so far.

        • bobrewer 3 years ago

          Uh, I don’t think he’s in support of the trade.

          And we need a little more than just a stopgap- Like above poster said, they’ve needed to upgrade the bench all season. Wren yesterday said best case for Simmons is Sept 1, so Janish will need to start for at least 6-7 weeks.

          Nobody’s expecting us to get an All-Star, but there are others out there more valuable than Janish (Ryan, Scutaro, Middlebrooks just to name a few).

          • lmao did you really just name Middlebrooks as a potential trade candidate???

            Credibility: GONE.

            And a few posts ago, he supported the trade, so I think he does. He’s just saying that people aren’t blasting Wren like I said they are. And the Braves’ offense has been fine. The pitching has been horrendous.

          • bobrewer 3 years ago

            My bad… I meant Willie Bloomquist from the D-Backs. I get their names mixed up. The Sox obviously aren’t gonna trade the reason why they got rid of Youk… Haha

          • lol…..riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Regardless, the Braves gave up nothing to get Janish and could still make a much better trade before the deadline if they want to. They essentially got Janish for nothing because there are at least half a dozen pitchers who would get called up before Redmond.

          • CowboyJames 3 years ago

            And since they didnt give up anything for Janish they can still go out and get a Ryan, or a Scutaro before the deadline. It’ cool Y’all

          • CowboyJames 3 years ago

            Middlebrooks? Will? Boston’s Middlebrooks?

          • rundmc1981 3 years ago

            Middlebrooks??? You mean the guy BOS just traded Youk to CHW so he could have the job? BOS wouldn’t give him up anyway, plus he’s not a quality SS. Give me a break!

            Scutaro is overpriced and Ryan would be a nice fit, but I’m not going to argue Ryan over Janish. That’s like trying to find the difference between beige and taupe.

      • Jeff 3 years ago

         Janish is an upgrade, from a sub-replacement to a replacement player.

    • CowboyJames 3 years ago

      I support the trade. Im a braves fan who isnt complaining. I can see reality. I too find myself hating most other Braves fans.

    • NYBravosFan10 3 years ago

      i agree 100%. Scutaro or Ryan wouldn’t have been worth the players they would have required. This is a nice, extremely cheap (we were gonna lose Redmond anyway) backup with defense in mind. Now Janish and Wilson can compete for the next month-and-a-half to see who is more capable of backing up Simmons when he returns. It’s nice to see someone with sense.

  11. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Not Paul Yawnish!

  12. Jeff Snedden 3 years ago

    I thin Janish is a nice little player for the Braves in a bench role, replacing Wilson, who gets released and resigns with the Pirates as a bench option.  Then the Bucs trade for Paul Maholm, bringing back two of the guys who deserved to be on a winner in Pittsburgh.

  13. Karkat 3 years ago

    I love when people talk about how “boring” a post is on here. It’s a trade. On mlbTRADErumors dot com. What are they supposed to do, just NOT report it? xD

  14. Way to go trade for someone that we don’t need. I will be a very unhappy fan if they go and trade Prado and now they trade for a crappy SS for a good Minor league Pitcher Could of kept and waited to see what happens tomorrow with Ben Sheets. If he does perform then this trade would be a bust

    • Defiancy 3 years ago

      We didn’t need him?  Who do you suggest play SS for us?  Pastornicky can’t field in the most important position for fielders.  If there was ever a trade that needed to happen it was for a defensive minded SS until Simmons comes back.

  15. MarinersFan1977 3 years ago

    The Braves would have been better off with Brendan Ryan. Elite defender with a history of being able to hit .250, even if he hasn’t hit well this year. And he’s got National League experience, probably better suited for that league. I’m sure Seattle wanted more though than a guy that’s spent 4 years in a row at Triple-A without even a cup of big league coffee…

    After last year’s collapse you’d think the Braves would do more to solidify one of the most important positions on the diamond. 

    • CowboyJames 3 years ago

      Brendan Ryan would have costed more than than Todd Redmond. GM didnt want to give up more for 4 weeks of SS defense. Janish cant hit but can play the position defensively. Solid, sensable move and not worth complaining about. Not saying you are complaining but I have seen alot of the such

    •  I think a big move is coming. I don’t see any reason to spend big on a SS right now. The less money the dedicate towards a stop-gap, the more they have to spend on someone else. There are bigger needs than a fill-in SS.

    • Defiancy 3 years ago

      Done more?  You mean like bring up Simmons, or to retain the defensive minded Jack Wilson.  What more do you want then to do?  Trade for Tulo?  

      No one expected both guys to go down with injury and force them to make a trade.   There’s no reason to pay for a player like Ryan when you only need a guy for six-eight weeks. 

  16. CowboyJames 3 years ago

    Also if Simmons is out longer and Janish doesnt look good, then they still have the ammo to go and get another SS before the deadline.

  17. AFCFAN06 3 years ago

    Solid fill in Janish is better than Jack Wilson hopefully Simmons isnt out to long gave up a sp thats been in aaa for a few years thats at best a 5 in a rotation works for me.

  18. mgsports 3 years ago

    He was behind Cosart and Reds get a Sarter and Braves have prent of them.

    • Leachpunk 3 years ago

      No idea what you were trying to say there Ace, but thanks for the commentary.

  19. esasc4 3 years ago

    not a bad move, didnt cost us money, and redmond wasnt going anywhere and we would have had to release him anyway. Saved us money and we got a defensive guy. Good move.

  20. NYBravosFan10 3 years ago

    I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about. When’s the last time Wren truly let us down? And don’t say Escobar for Gonzalez, that trade worked out a lot better than the infuriating Blue Jays fans insist it did.

  21. Robb Logan 3 years ago

    So after reading this thread it appears most Braves fans would have preferred Ryan over Janish. That makes little to no sense as the cost for a guy like Ryan (with no real option in Seattle either at this point) as an injury rental would have been much higher. Janish for what he is, a sub to play 4-6 weeks to cover for 2 injuries, came very cheap for the Braves. This was a quality trade for Atlanta and a good 4-6 week stop gap. 

    •  You  made the mistake of trying to reason with other Braves fans. I’ve tried for years to keep fellow fans level-headed. It’s not worth the frustration.

  22.  Surprising to see Janish traded today. I hope he makes the best of his
    time in Atlanta and fills in nicely for Simmons. He always had a good
    glove, strong arm and the ability to bunt well and play multiple
    positions. If he can swing the bat a little bit he will be an asset to
    the Braves for sure. It’s nice to add pitching depth on our end and
    maybe Redmond will get a chance to show what he’s got later this season!

  23. Geaux_Braves 3 years ago

    You guys are blowing me away right now. Are you serious about giving up more for a guy who will practically give us the same output as Janish, who we spent a AAAA free agent to be pitcher to obtain and has 2 years of control, has played multiple position, good ARM, and can play defense. We only need him for 6 weeks max and if he turns out to be worthy of keeping in the majors, then we basically got him for free over a guy who we may never see come up.

  24. ChiefTomahawk 3 years ago

    Janish may take over even when Wilson returns. Wilson has been a major disappointment during his time. Yes, he is good defensively at SS. He is terrible at 2B and his bat is like he swinging a tuna fish. 

  25. On fangraphs he has a WAR of 1.6…on baseball reference he is a 2.7.  If WAR is such a reliable stat then why so much difference?

  26. Jeff 3 years ago

     Yet Simmons might be better.  Maybe the M’s wanted too much.

  27. Best defensive shortstops to play the game, give me a break.

  28. michael hughes 3 years ago

    WEll, technically, at least I think, those are actually two different statistics. They’re both called WAR but because they’re calculated differently they’re actually measuring two different things. 

  29. So depending if you want to make a player look good or bad you can pick and choose your WAR.  I know a number that can’t be skewed OPS .556.  That is very very bad.

  30. michael hughes 3 years ago

    Sort of, the difference between fWAR and BWAR are usually not so pronounced, but it especially suspicious when a player’s value is so driven by massive defensive numbers. I’ll say that Ryan is a fantastic defensive player but I don’t know if it gives him as much value as some measurements say. Defensive metrics are still far from perfect just look at carlos lee last year or alfonso soriano this year.

  31. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    Neither of those WAR make Ryan look bad….

  32. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    “I know a number that can’t be skewed OPS”

    hilarious

  33. jb226 3 years ago

    The stranger thing is that FanGraphs usually weighs defense more highly.  It looks like B-R changed their WAR formulas a couple of times very recently, maybe that’s why.

  34. I never said that.  But I am saying you can pick and choose the WAR you want.  Obviously he is a pro ryan player so he chose the higher of the two.  And if there is that much variance in the stat then can you really count on it?

  35. michael hughes 3 years ago

    I think it helps a lot that offense in general is down this year, and the shortstop position is especially weak. This makes Ryan’s limited offensive output seem much less damaging because he’s not as bad by comparison and he makes up some offensive value by taking more walks than you’d expect. A .284 OBP is bad but its not as bad as it used to be and its not as bad as you’s think a play with a .184 avg. would have.

  36. How so?  They calculate the stat exactly the same way no matter where you look.

  37. michael hughes 3 years ago

    I know I said it before but it’s not that the stat WAR has a lot of variance, variance is is a way to look at how a certain set of numbers is spread out, it’s that bWAR and fWAR are technically not the same statistic because their components are different. WAR is really just a way of putting a number to the idea that a player  is “this good…” and really there are tons of different ways that people measure this, but just because there are a lot of people measuring this in different ways doesn’t automatically make one way or another any less valid or mean measuring it at all is impossible.

  38. michael hughes 3 years ago

    I’m on board with you. His offense is not pretty, and to be honest I think people are overrating him a little here based on his defense. Like I said earlier defensive stats are still not perfect, Carlos Lee and Alfonso Soriano provide some great examples of this. I’m not trying to call you out or anything. 

  39. It is the same stat in that they are both trying to measure Wins above replacement.  I am just saying it is flawed.

  40. You are pro B reference because it supports your argument better.  Do you know what the difference is between how they measure WAR between the two sites?

  41. Youdidn’tanswermyquestion.Whatisthedifferenceinthecalculation?

  42. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    that’s not what “same” means

  43. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    the same way being badly, sure. OPS is inherently skewed. it’s only used because it’s easy to add two numbers from a player’s slash line together

    but what’s really rich here is that you’re introducing OPS as a stat that is in any way more useful than wOBA, the basis of WAR

    do you know how the components of OPS are computed? do you know how wOBA is computed?

    until you do, you shouldn’t be taking a position here. you’re basically confused by the name WAR and deciding that since it has confused you, something is wrong with it

  44. I am not confused.  I understand they are trying to measure the amount of wins above a replacement level player.  What I am saying is this stat is hardly perfect.

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