Cardinals Continue To Seek Pitching

The Cardinals continue looking for starting pitching depth and the team will consider adding a left-handed reliever, Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. GM John Mozeliak has suggested a major acquisition is less likely than a modest upgrade, Strauss writes. 

Zack Greinke and Cole Hamels probably won’t be traded to St. Louis this year. The Cardinals are unwilling to trade from their MLB roster, but they may be willing to discuss trades for top pitching prospect Shelby Miller for the first time, according to Strauss. Miller, who entered the season as the 8th-best prospect in the game, according to Baseball America, has struggled in 17 starts at Triple-A, posting a 6.17 ERA.

Though second base is a potential area of need for the Cardinals, Strauss suggests the team is likely to focus on making moves to improve the pitching staff. I recently previewed the trade market for starting pitchers and second basemen.


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97 Comments on "Cardinals Continue To Seek Pitching"


Guest
2 years 11 months ago

Trying to get Creative here: Would the Cards take Shane Victorino, Chase Utley, and Cole Hamels for Shelby Miller, Allen Craig, and two of their other top prospects? Would the Phils even consider the deal?

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aaronanderson16
2 years 11 months ago

 I do not even in the slightest think the Cardinals would consider this, granted Hamels would be nice but being unsure if they could return him would be the kicker for that part of the deal. I would take a guess thinking they would rather have craig on their roster than Utley and Victorino, the Cards are extremely deep in the outfield and adding another outfielder would likely only road block Oscar Tavares. Craig is proven so far that he can hit in the Majors why would they want to get older leaving a huge hole at first since Matt Adams has not proven he can play in the Majors.

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2 years 11 months ago

I agree with your logic. However, if Hamels were to sign an extension with the cards, and that were part of the deal, would it make it more palatable for the cards to trade Craig?

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mojowo11
2 years 11 months ago

This is certainly creative, but it doesn’t make a lick of sense for the Cardinals. Allen Craig is the presumptive first baseman of the future and arguably the best hitter on the roster. Shelby Miller is one of the better pitching prospects in baseball. The Cards have nowhere to play Victorino without benching Jon Jay (who has been great), and Chase Utley is damaged goods.

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natural_light
2 years 11 months ago

Shelby miller for Darwin Barney.

Pffff I cant even say that with a straight face.
 

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Eric Foster
2 years 11 months ago

David Freese for Tony Campana.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

Wainwright for Soriano 
Bwahahahaha

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

If Miller gets dealt.  It better be outside of the division and for a pitcher with multiple years of control.

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natural_light
2 years 11 months ago

Like Chris Volstad?
If he was outside the division. If miller continues to regress or never lives up to his hype wouldn’t you want to ruff him up even more if he was within your own division.

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2 years 11 months ago

Hahaha.  Yeah one half year of AAA doesn’t remove all the prospects value.  Let me rephrase.  An impact starting pitcher with multiple years of control.

You deal outside of the division to hedge your bets. If Miller would end up being good, you don’t want to play him each year knowing you dealt him. The Lou Brock deal from the Cubs rings a bell to worst case scenario.

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Ferrariman
2 years 11 months ago

i agree, the guy is 21.  Thats like 3 years under the league average. Had he gone to college, he would just now be getting drafted. 

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Redbirds16
2 years 11 months ago

He’d just be getting drafted… and probably starting off in high A ball…

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BDLugz
2 years 11 months ago

It’s not just the half year of looking terrible at AAA… there are some whisperings (growing louder, actually) that he’s go off the field issues and poor mental make up.  I’m not sure anyone would view him as a top pitching prospect right now.

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2 years 11 months ago

You would probably be assuming wrong.  His off the field issues happened last year and were hardly whispers…considering the shut him down for stretch.

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dhaab
2 years 11 months ago

 Off the field issues?  According to whom exactly??

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

I wouldn’t say he’s regressing. He’s on a public no-shake rule, and they’re trying to develop his other pitches. Opposing managers and batters know this.
His ERA reflects that. His K/9 is still over 10.
I really think people are overblowing his season so far. He’s a little young for AAA too, and it’s showing.

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natural_light
2 years 11 months ago

 That’s why I would love to see the Cubs some how get this guy. We could pay Dempsters contract out 100% for Miller and be extremely glad to do it.

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magna
2 years 11 months ago

why does the division matter? didnt you see Brett Wallace get traded out of the division only to end up in our division? you cant control that stuff so dont limit your options

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2 years 11 months ago

 The Astros would eat a massive chunk of Wandy’s contract and would even possibly throw something else in.  Wandy + Altuve for Miller+Cox+Swagerty.  Lunhow knows the Card’s system plus we are leaving the divinsion.  Wandy knows the Central, is on contract for a few more years and can eat up innings.  As a stros fan i know i want Shelby miller

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2 years 11 months ago

I would do that in a second. I really like Altuve.  Not sure what the Cardinals would do with Wong though.

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asovermann
2 years 11 months ago

Not sure why the Astros, a rebuilding team, would trade one of their best pieces for the future in Altuve for Shelby who continues to drop on everyones prospect boards, Cox who completely fell off ever prospect board and Swagerty who was viewed as at most a reliever coming off of TJ this year. I understand with moving Wandy, but I don’t think they would consider moving their 22 year old stud 2nd baseman to the Cards, and theyd at least need Wong

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aaronanderson16
2 years 11 months ago

 I do not understand how or why everyone drops Miller completely off their boards because of one bad year in AAA. I mean he is trying to develop into a MLB ready pitcher by developing his pitches. Seriously if he was in AA pitching like a high schooler like he was last year and the year before everyone would still be extremely high on him.

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asovermann
2 years 11 months ago

A lot of people are concerned with the drop in velocity, his k’s are down and his walks are up. Whats especially troubling is his ridiculous fly ball rate and hes allowed 2 home runs per 9 innings this year. Even the old skip a start to work on mechanics didnt help him this year.

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2 years 11 months ago

It has nothing to do with his velocity which I have never heard it was down.  His problem is he is relying on his fastball all the time.  They gave him the no shake rule to have him work on his secondary pitches.

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asovermann
2 years 11 months ago

KLaw has had his fastball sitting in the 90-93 range all year and has repeatedly said that his fastball is down. He’s had some bad luck this year, but his park and defensive neutral stats have him as just an average player this season, which isn’t whats been expected of the Cardinals #1 prospect and a Pre-Season top 10 guy.

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dhaab
2 years 11 months ago

 Once again, for emphasis here, Miller just turned 21! He’s almost 2 years younger than anyone else on his AAA team and he’s playing against 25-28 yr. olds who have tons more experience than him. Just because he’s struggled for 2 months doesn’t mean he’s a bust.

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asovermann
2 years 11 months ago

I didn’t say he was a bust, I just said hes facing some major struggles right now and those struggles are leading to him being moved down pretty far on a lot of the midseason prospect rankings

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asovermann
2 years 11 months ago

I didn’t say he was a bust, I just said hes facing some major struggles right now and those struggles are leading to him being moved down pretty far on a lot of the midseason prospect rankings

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mrsjohnmiltonrocks
2 years 11 months ago

Everyone knows it’s highly unlikely that the Brewers are going to trade anything useful to the Cardinals, right?  It would have to be a HUGE haul to keep Melvin from hanging up.

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Thomas Wilson
2 years 11 months ago

yep but I think STL makes a lot of sense for Grienke in FA

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mrsjohnmiltonrocks
2 years 11 months ago

 That may be true, but I doubt it, and I don’t think Melvin is going to send him there early.

If the Cardinals want him, I would think they are going to have to wait until the off season.  Personally, I don’t see him ending up there then either.

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2 years 11 months ago

I doubt it would happen also.  Greinke was talking smack about Carpenter last post season.  But crazier things have happened.

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JohnOrpheus
2 years 11 months ago

I don’t know. Carp and Edwin Jackson really got into it when Jackson hit him with a pitch when he played for Arizona. Carp almost charged him and was dropping the F bomb all over the place. Then the next year they were pitching side by side in the rotation.

Plus, Carp’s career is probably over.

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2 years 11 months ago

Carp’s career is never over. The man is Lazarus. Maybe he comes back in a relief role, ala John Smoltz.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

How? Beltran has still got two years and if they acquire Grienke they will not have any payroll room to fix the bullpen.The Cardinals need a solid closer because Motte won’t be enough.and a couple of left handed relievers to boot.

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Thomas Wilson
2 years 11 months ago

Because Beltran, Furcal, and Berkman are all moving on in favor of much cheaper alternatives in the next couple of years in the form of Craig, Taveras, and Wong(he pushes Greene to SS) and Lohse, Westbrook are gone after 2012, Carpenter after 2013.

The Cards have less than 40 million dedicated to the 2014 payroll. A Waino, Greinke, Lynn, Garcia, Miller/Martinez/Jenkins staff in 2014 looks pretty amazing and doable considering that they have a payroll 75million higher than that 2014 40million number.

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cardinalmike
2 years 11 months ago

Melvin’s best friend in basbeall is Walt Jocketty.  Melvin is likely still miffed at the Cardinals for multiple reasons, including firing his friend Jocketty.

As it regards Melvin and Mozeliak, it wouldn’t be a matter of hanging up; Melvin wouldn’t even take the call.

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Ferrariman
2 years 11 months ago

because of what happened 6 years ago?  Man, adults need to grow up then. 

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mrsjohnmiltonrocks
2 years 11 months ago

 I’m not sure it has much to do with ‘friendship.’  There seems to be reluctance of most every team to deal within their division.  The last big deals I remember were between the Cubs and Pirates and that was several front office changes ago.

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Andy_B
2 years 11 months ago

I just don’t get this logic, if the Cardinals make the best offer, why wouldn’t they want it?  Sure it makes the cardinals better temporarily but this year is lost for the brewers anyways.  If anything the cardinals seem like they would be taking more risk in a guy like Miller burning them in the future.

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mrsjohnmiltonrocks
2 years 11 months ago

 I don’t get the logic either.  If you’ll check on the Cardinals recent trades, you will notice they are not in the NL Central.  It’s something that’s just doesn’t seem to be done-by anyone.

Except if you’re the Indians.  They have traded expiring contracts occasionally within the division.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

Just trying to get creative here: Would it be possible for the Cards to trade for Victorino, Hamels, and Utley? That would solve their pitching and 2nd Base Issues. The Phillies could receive a package of Allen Craig, Shelby Miller, and two of their other top prospects. Could this ever happen?

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aaronanderson16
2 years 11 months ago

 no