Josh Johnson Rumors: Saturday

Cole Hamels signed an extension, Zack Greinke was traded to the Angels, and Matt Garza won't pitch until after the trade deadline. Right-hander Josh Johnson is arguably the best starting pitcher left on the market, and the Marlins reportedly seek a Mark Teixeira-like package in return. Here are today's Johnson rumors, with the latest up top…

  • The Rangers and Angels have backed away from Johnson because they view his $13.75MM price tag as high considering his health history, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com tweets.
  • Some officials are telling Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (via Twitter) that the Marlins want more for Johnson than the Brewers got for Greinke.  
  • The Marlins are open-minded about dealing Johnson and plan to weigh the offers as they come in, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com.
  • The Rangers do not appear to be high on Johnson according to MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. They value his makeup and character, but are concerned about his health and sizable home/road split. Texas is still in talks, however.

Zach Links contributed to this post.


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31 Comments on "Josh Johnson Rumors: Saturday"


craigkimbrelfan
3 years 7 days ago

“The Rangers do not appear to be high on Johnson…”

hahaha…that wouldn’t be posturing, now, would it? if ur not high on him, then why are you trying to land him?

gw9999
3 years 7 days ago

Definitely posturing going on. T.R. has long been used for smoke screens. The only realistic interpretation I’d say is they are interested but not valuing him right now as a sure bet ace. The rumored demands from Miami would seem they are treating the situation likes he been pitching like a few years ago.

Balboa
3 years 7 days ago

Not High because the Marlins are trying to pretend Johnson doesn’t have shoulder issues? Worth the risk if the price is reasonable, but since the price it crazy, of course they are not high on him any longer.

tomymogo
3 years 7 days ago

If Marlins take a Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, and Edward Salcedo for Josh Johnson deal, then I would pull the trigger, more than that is unacceptable

Jaysfan724
3 years 7 days ago

“The Rangers do not appear to be high on Johnson”

With the package the Marlins want, you would be high to trade for him.

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 7 days ago

The Rangers have to keep up with the Jones’s in this case the Jones’s are the Angels. They need to do something I don’t think they can discount either the Angels or Oakland the way they are playing as real contenders for the AL West Division.

3 years 7 days ago

They have a 4 game lead and arent even healthy. Panicking for JJ and overpaying is exactly what they shouldnt be doing

UltimateYankeeFan
3 years 7 days ago

Considering the way the Angels played in April going 9-15 versus the Rangers 17-7 during that same period a 4 game lead at this junction of the season doesn’t seem all that safe. And that’s with both Haren and Santana both having down seasons so far for the Angels. And that’s not even talking about how well the Athletics are playing.

3 years 7 days ago

I agree, but I am really starting to think that Oakland is going to be an issue. The Angels have a solid rotation and one that appears designed for post season. Their lineup has developed quite well even if Boojols has not been stellar. They better do it this season, because their funds are tied up for quite a while…

That said, the Rangers have a competent rotation up front for the post season as well and a stellar defense. IF they can ever get their bats consistent, then they have a solid shot as well.

This will be a race to the end for sure. Glad I have tickets for the final Rangers vs Angels game on the last day of the season…might be needed.

Catztradamus
3 years 7 days ago

When trout was recalled on 4/28 the angels were 7-14, and the Rangers 16-5 9 games. since then, the Angels have gone 48-31. the Rangers are 42-35. Add Grienke to that.
4 games is nothing, and the WC is a 1 game playoff. You trust Darvish, Harrison, or Holland in a 1 game playoff against Verlander, or Sale, or Price, et al?

The division is very much up in the air.

3 years 7 days ago

You cant assume that your ace will be rested to start the playoff game. The games leading up to the playoff will be just as crucial in getting one of the spots. Are you going to rest Verlander in a must win game #161?

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 7 days ago

I agree, I think the Rangers need to do something, even if it’s not JJ. They’ve stagnated a little bit while the A’s and Angels have been coming on really strong. Right now, I think the Angels will eventually take over first place unless the Rangers make a move.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 7 days ago

Still have a feeling JJ ends up a Ranger by the deadline. They’ve been on him for years now.

bmoneyy20
3 years 7 days ago

marlins seek mark teixeira like package w/o offering player nearly as good who doesnt stay healthy.

tomymogo
3 years 7 days ago

It’s Josh Johnson, when healthy one of the best pitchers in the game, and he is healthy. Teheran isn’t exactly doing great at AAA, Randall is good a future number 3 starter, and Salcedo is 2-3 years away has potential but hasn’t showed much yet. Josh Johnson has another year on his contract, and if he remains healthy I guarantee he will be one of the best 125 paid players on the game which is significant since that we’ll mean high draft picks…

That is significant, if Braves had kept Texeira instead of trading him, they would have had the opportunity to draft Mike Trout

rikersbeard
3 years 7 days ago

Look at his advanced metrics, he really hasn’t pitched that bad.

3 years 7 days ago

Teheran is still extremely young and already has the plus fastball and knockout change. The breaking ball is the only thing holding him back. He dominated AAA last year as a 20 year old.

3 years 7 days ago

Wrong. Delgado’s ceiling is that of a top of the rotation pitcher. He has electric stuff. Not only is Teheran, Delgado, and Salcedo a bit of an overpay, you are guaranteeing yourself that you have to face them both 3-4 times a year (each) for the next half decade. No. Thank. You.

Catztradamus
3 years 7 days ago

uh, no. Texiera was traded to the Yankees, who surrendered THEIR pick to the Angels, who drafted Trout at 25.

Braves KEPT their protected draft pick that year ( had the 7th pick) and passed up TROUT, (along with jacob Turner, Mike Leake, Drew Storen, and Shelby Miller) for Mike Minor.

The only players they lost out on were Strasburg, Ackley, Donovan tate, mathew Hobgood, Tony Sanchez and Zach Wheeler.

3 years 7 days ago

Depends on who you ask. Ive seen a lot of evaluators peg him as a mid rotation guy

3 years 7 days ago

His K/9 is down and his fastball velocity is down just a tick. I agree that his results dont exactly match his performance but the Marlins will not get a huge package for him right now given his injury history

3 years 7 days ago

Teheran pitched well over 100 innings in AAA last season at the age of 20 and had great success.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 7 days ago

The Marlins traded Uggla to who? Yeah, you trade with whoever you need/have to.

Catztradamus
3 years 7 days ago

yeah, as a South Florida guy myself, the Marlins would be shooting themselves in the foot if they sold Johnson for anything other than a haul. He’s cheap in relation to his ability, controlled through next season, and they can’t sell low on him after Hanley.

If someone wants to blow them away, great. otherwise, great.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

you can’t blame the defense for the 25% line-drive rate against johnson this year

gw9999
3 years 7 days ago

Teixeria was traded from Rangers to Braves which is the package they were referring to. The Braves flippid him to the Angels the next year. That offseason he signed with the Yankees as a free agent. He was never traded to the Yankees. The Angels got the draftwhen he declined arbitration.

Balboa
3 years 7 days ago

Haul for a guy with shoulder issues his entire career? A guy who has one healthy season up to now? Johnson is a massive risk for whoever has him. Marlins can’t and won’t get Olt for Johnson straight up. The Rangers are smart. I’ve watched JJ this year, and he looks scared to throw that hard slider in fear of his shoulder falling off. The Marlins are dreaming if they think they can get one top prospect for him.

Herbman89
3 years 7 days ago

Johnson is an ace. This season was meant to be rocky but he is getting better. He has all of the tools to be one of the best nl pitchers and he will be it by the end of the season. He is better then any pitcher that has been dealt recently and the marlins better not trade him. Mark my words and remember them when he wins his cy young in a year or two!

MetsMagic
3 years 7 days ago

I can’t imagine there’s a single person besides you here that thinks Johnson is better than Greinke.

Herbman89
3 years 7 days ago

Just remember those words I typed a couple years from now when Johnson is back to his greatness 100%. I know he has better stuff inside him then greinke.

not_brooks
3 years 7 days ago

Unless the labrum fairy visits JJ in his sleep tonight, he’s never going to be healthy enough to be a better pitcher than Zack Greinke.