Josh Johnson Rumors: Friday

The Marlins seek a Mark Teixeira-like package for Josh Johnson, Jon Heyman reported yesterday. In other words, Miami seeks at least three good young pieces for the right-hander. The Blue Jays are pursuing Johnson and the Rangers, Angels and Orioles also appear to have interest. Here's the latest, with the most recent items up top:

  • The Red Sox don't appear to be in on Johnson, as Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe (Twitter link) hears that Miami's asking price is "way more than [the Sox] would be willing to meet."
  • "The Marlins are leaving no doubt that they intend to trade" their ace, tweets USA Today's Bob Nightengale.  The Rangers are among those "still heavy" in pursuit of Johnson.
  • There's lots of debate in front offices over Johnson's availability, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick writes (Twitter links). One GM says the Marlins "want a ton" for Johnson, but Crasnick suggests the Marlins would move the right-hander under the right circumstances.
  • The Marlins are asking for each team's top two or three prospects in trade scenarios involving Johnson, Crasnick adds (Twitter links). It'd take Jurickson ProfarTravis d'Arnaud types to get talks moving and "a lot more" after that.


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105 Comments on "Josh Johnson Rumors: Friday"


3 years 1 month ago

This feels like a word for word rewrite of the one yesterday.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

They may not get an offer like that, but I surely hope the Royals (who are desperate for a top-notch SP) or someone who has the ammunition overpays.

3 years 1 month ago

How bout Hosmer, Gordon, Broxton, an next years number one supplemental draft pick for Johnson, and Morrison.

3 years 1 month ago

lol, wont happen.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t think the Marlins would do that.

Dynasty22
3 years 1 month ago

So basically the right circumstances to get JJ is if you give a ton? That didn’t add anything we could have assumed for ourselves.

greg porco
3 years 1 month ago

The Marlins are not trading JJ. He may only be 85-90% of his old self but he is still an ace and still has upside as displayed in his last start. His contract is manageable and the Marlins have admitted they still want to *try* and win this year. They just acquired two young SP prospects and have Jose Fernandez, an ace in the making in the minors a year or two out.

The offense is the main culprit of their struggles…not the starting pitching. Notice i said STARTING pitching…

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

This just in….

Look..you can say it would be a bad move to trade JJ but to say it won’t happen seems silly at this point. These are the Marlins we are talking about. Nothing should shock you at this point.

baseball52
3 years 1 month ago

If I were Jon Daniels, I’d tell them good luck and go somewhere else. Johnson is not worth that.

Shikikazu
3 years 1 month ago

Michael Hill: We’re happy with keeping JJ good luck in the playoffs…

Justin Verlander (to rangers): That’s not the first time I’ve seen someone choke before.

Rangers4Life
3 years 1 month ago

“Justin Verlander (to rangers): That’s not the first time I’ve seen someone choke before.”
Yeah, he just needs to look in the mirror to see someone that choked in the postseason.

Chewtoy123
3 years 1 month ago

And in the All Star game.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

Jim Palmer was awful in AS games also, but was money in the bank when it came to post season games.

AS game is still worthless/meaningless. Who cares about that supposed homefield. the middle games are still just as important as the 1st/last games of a series.

MLB AS game stands for absolutely nothing, except for which fans stuff the ballot box the most and always has. One of the most meaningless events in all of sports, yet fans for some reason watch it and pay good money to attend it and all the hype it represents.

Jimmy
3 years 1 month ago

Marlins should just take Olt and ask the rangers to take JJ’s contract off their hands.

3 years 1 month ago

marlins wont eat any of johnson contract, thats a given.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Just Olt? Insane. Please consult Olt’s age, level of play and K rate and reconsider.

3 years 1 month ago

Let’s see who had Olt-like K rates at Olt’s age… Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher, Mark Teixeira…

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

So you go with exceptions and not the norms? OK. My point was is that he still has a major issue and he hasn’t even played above AA yet coupled with the fact that he’s at an advanced age (turns 24 in August) playing against much younger talent.

3 years 1 month ago

I go with 3 everyday players currently on your favorite team’s roster. Both Granderson and Swisher had Olt-ish K rates in AA-AAA.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

The fact that they are Yankees is meaningless to me. I still say that there are FAR more prospects with 20+% KO issues at the AA or below level that fail to be superstars at the mlb level than there are that succeed. I’m not even sure if that’s worth an argument.

Just as you run those 3 names out there I can say Shelly Duncan, Cody Ransom and Shane Spencer. All were great power hitters with good walk rates in the lower minors and struggled above AA.

Phil Merkel
3 years 1 month ago

Hopefully the Rangers are smart enough to walk away from any trade talks involving Jurickson. Of course he is the Rangers property, but I would be very disappointed if the brass thinks any trade involving him would be good for the organization.

Alex Henry
3 years 1 month ago

This is for rangers fan do you trade Profar almost straight up for JJ or ZG im just asking because he is road blocked with Elvis Andrus unless they move him it might not be enough so maybe another prospect or 2 out of the top 20 because either way Profar is gold and the other team will win but is it worth it for the win now over the top after they came short back to back years i cheer for the rangers they are my 2nd favorite team im just asking what you think?

3 years 1 month ago

I wouldnt give up Profar or Olt for JJ or ZG. Zack is a free agent and Josh has a long line of injury concerns.
What is wrong with:
1B – Olt
2B – Andrus
SS – Profair
3B – Beltre
Kinsler in the OF (Maybe CF)

3 years 1 month ago

no, Andrus is the face of the Rangers Franchise JD and Company will resign him before he ever reaches Free Agency, Profar will replace Kinsler at 2nd and Kinsler will replace Cruz in RF. I wouldn’t give up Olt either. People need to remember that Profar has already played several games at 2nd this year.

3 years 1 month ago

It doesnt really matter who plays where. Both Andrus and Profar will be playing the middle infeild positions. The arguement that i have heard is for Andrus to slide over to 2B allowing Profar to remain at SS. A position of comfort for him. My personal opinion, if you can play SS you surely can make a smooth transition to 2B. Afterall, the only differences are the double play turn, bunt coverages, and cut-off positioning.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

somehow I doubt your name is Shawn Marion.

3 years 1 month ago

why? more than one person in the country cant have the same name? look me up on FB there is my picture…

vtadave
3 years 1 month ago

Profar and a “lot more”?
Marlins would be dumb to not jump on a straight up Johnson/Profar swap, not that it would ever be offered.

3 years 1 month ago

Jj not worth a Profar…

22deputydo33
3 years 1 month ago

the marlins are definately in dream land if they think they can do/get a mark teixeira type deal. so are all of the other teams looking for that type of deal. nothing agains dreaming but reality has to set in somewhere. it makes me wonder why the marlins even offered josh johnson for trade when they wanted their cake and eat it too.

Jays Fan
3 years 1 month ago

So the Marlins would expect a deal of D’arnaud, Gose and Sanchez for JJ PLUS take his contract? LOL! That’s laughable. Have fun losing in Miami JJ!

3 years 1 month ago

When Teixeira was traded, he had back to back years of 162 games, while doing exceptional at the plate. His .283/.368/.533 153HR, 499 RBI in 4 1/2 years in Texas shows how dominant he was.

JJ has only touched 200+ innings ONE time, and has missed SIGNIFICANT time 3 of the last 6 seasons.

If Teixeira had missed significant playing time when traded to the Braves, you could easily take Beau Jones, and 2 of Feliz, Andrus, and Harrison out of the trade. Any comparison of JJ to Teixeira needs to stop.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you….

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

I’d take Arencibia if I had to, I mean he’s part Cuban and from Miami so we’ll probably trade just JJ for him.

3 years 1 month ago

Except now he has a broken hand and is out 4-6 weeks…

Raymond Holguin
3 years 1 month ago

They realize tony reagins isn’t GM’ing anymore right?

3 years 1 month ago

Good ol’ Tony would give up Richards, Segura, Bourjos, Cron, Conger and INSIST on not only receiving Carlos Zambrano as well but relieving the Cubs of paying the remainder of his salary.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

It’s obvious to see what the Marlins are doing. They don’t want to trade JJ unless they are blown away, which is what they are asking other teams to do. A team like the Royals or Orioles is more likely to do that than the Jays or Rangers. Highly unlikely JJ is moved, which I think they’ll come to regret.

Goriax
3 years 1 month ago

So, the jays top prospect and a lot more for an inconsistent injury machine with declining stuff having an average year. Yah,,,, ok

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

People are really overreacting here. The Marlins are asking for SUCH a HIGH return because they do NOT want to trade him. It’s a win-win for the Marlins. If they trade him, they get a HUGE return and if they don’t, they still have their ace.

3 years 1 month ago

But their “ace” is being out-pitched by their deuce AND their tres… and quatro is right on his tail…

*IF* the Rangers were healthy, he’d be their #5 starter.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

Doesn’t matter if he’s being outperformed, he is still their most talented pitcher when healthy, that’s not arguable. And *IF* JJ is healthy, he would be the Rangers #2 at worst. #5 lol, he’s better than Holland at least.

3 years 1 month ago

Holland is 3-0 3.82 ERA in the post season. The Rangers are looking for a difference maker, and JJ is just too risky to be defined by those terms. I’d rather Texas keep their prospects and put Ogando in that spot.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

If I were a Ranger fan, I’d agree. Don’t mortgage the future for JJ.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

So you go by 3 starts in the post season? geesshhh.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

but he hasn’t been healthy in years, so he’s not an ace.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

209 IP in 2009, 183 IP in 2010 and on pace for about 175 IP this year.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

Since 2009 he is 60th in innings pitched, again not ace like. Here are pitchers I consider aces: Justin Verlander, Felix Hernandez, CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay (though if he pitches like he has so far this year for rest of year wouldn’t consider him ace anymore), Zach Greinke, Cliff Lee, and Clayton Kershaw.

ludafish
3 years 1 month ago

You have Grienke with the rest of those guys? if you subtract his Cy year he looks like a #2 at best…also did very poorly in the post season and has had health issues as well. he hasnt thrown CGs in a while either. and he can be poor on the road. Im not trying to say JJ is better or worse than him, but the guys on your list are Aces. 200+ innings, complete games, losing streak busters and such. Grienke is an ace on a team with a weak pitching staff but he wouldnt be on TEX or even on the Angels now.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

Absolutley Greinke is with that group, he has routinely had his numbers hurt by playing behind bad defenses in KC and Milwaukee. Here are Greinke’s numbers since 09 compared to the other 7. IP: 7th FIP: 1rst, xFIP: 2nd (behind Roy Halladay, WAR: 5th (behind Verlander, Lee, Halladay, and king Felix), K/9: 3rd (behind verlander and kershaw), BB/9: 3rd (behind Halladay and Lee). The only area Greinke really doesn’t belong is the innings, but he is barely behind Kershaw and not too far behind Lee, he makes up for it by ranking so high in many categories.

txftw
3 years 1 month ago

No Weaver?

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

You could make an argument for Weaver and Cain as well, though I barely have them out

greg porco
3 years 1 month ago

That’s why they are not trading him…all rumors.

Remember92
3 years 1 month ago

Asking for a teams “top two or three prospects” seems kind of arbitrary. Considering every system has different depth at the top. And for the Pirates you would be talking about Cole, Taillon, and most likely Hanson now that Marte is up. No way is JJ worth that return. Top two or three seems pretty vague at best?

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

In reality, if the Marlins wanted this type of deal for JJ, they should have taken the Rangers reported offer a couple years ago. I forget what it was but it was pretty substantial from what I remember.

3 years 1 month ago

The Marlins are crazy…. Jurickson Profar?? hahaha thats a joke.

OptimisticMarlinsFan
3 years 1 month ago

Not sure how it’s crazy. They aren’t expecting anyone to give in, but if they do, they come away huge winners.

3 years 1 month ago

Ok, Optimistic Marlins fan.

txftw
3 years 1 month ago

Never argue with an optimistic Marlins fan

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

Keep JJ.