Justin Upton Rumors: Wednesday

The Diamondbacks are willing to listen to offers for Justin Upton, but they’re not looking for prospects. "We're still in win mode,” GM Kevin Towers told Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic. We’ll track the latest rumors on Upton here with the most recent updates up top.

  • Olney suggests the Braves could be a fit for Upton (Twitter links). Atlanta could build a deal around third baseman/outfielder Martin Prado and pitching prospects, Olney writes. Upton would balance the Braves' lineup and provide the team with cost certainty going forward, Olney adds.
  • The Diamondbacks believe they could obtain a package of perhaps three players for Upton, Piecoro writes. Towers said he’s not shopping the right fielder, but will listen in case an enticing offer emerges. “Clubs have asked; I've said, 'Hey, tell me what you would do.' We could either say yes or say no," the GM told Piecoro.
  • The Rangers could make sense as a suitor for Upton, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney suggests (all Twitter links). The Diamondbacks could be interested in third base prospect Mike Olt and the Rangers could like the idea of adding outfield depth with Josh Hamilton headed toward free agency.
  • Upton has no-trade protection that allows him to block deals to some big-market teams, including the Yankees, according to Olney.


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238 Comments on "Justin Upton Rumors: Wednesday"


3 years 1 month ago

Does Olney have better information than what’s on Cot’s contracts? Cots has Upton’s no-trade protection as Cleveland, Detroit, KC, & Oakland.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
3 years 1 month ago

 Sounds like he meant to say ‘small’ market teams, although Detroit has a rather high payroll and strong attendance.

ImperialStout
3 years 1 month ago

His no trade list changed after the 2010 season. It’s unclear if those teams are still on it.

jammin502
3 years 1 month ago

With most of the Cubs OF prospects still 2 or more years away, I think they should have interest in Upton.  Garza would probably help that Dback rotation this year and next and Reed Johnson or David DeJesus could also be included for the OF depth.  Not sure what is needed all around, but it could make sense for both teams.  Castro, Rizzo, and Upton would look pretty good in the lineup that is building.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
3 years 1 month ago

 I like Upton.  I think he’s underachieved.  He could be a real bargain to a team that is patient with him and tries to help him fix whatever it is that makes him so streaky.  Do the Cubs have a coaching staff that can do that?  Are the fans willing to allow him the time to figure things out?  If you can say yes, I’d tell you to trade for him.

I do think Upton needs out of Arizona in the worst way.  He’s constantly said to be on the trading block, he’s getting booed at home, and he reportedly has a ‘difficult’ relationship with the manager.  A trade would benefit all parties.

Personally, I hope he ends up in Toronto.  They specialize in working with players like him that have frustrated their organizations.   I just don’t see a trade match with them though.

Patrick Beliveau
3 years 1 month ago

If Arizona truly is not looking for prospects, and instead want bonafide major leaguers it will be hard to pull of a trade with Toronto… but there is maybe only 2-3 teams that could put together an enticing package like Toronto can… 

Arizona apparently has interest in Hechevarria, so we could start there… add Gose to the deal, and maybe someone like Travis Snider or Thames (personally id rather see Thames go) then there would surely need to be a top pitching prospect out of Nicolino, Syndergaard or Norris, and then you could add a couple C+/C prospects and it might be worth it for Arizona and not damage Toronto’s farm too much…

This trade doesnt offer the major league 3B that Arizona desperately needs, but it adds more pieces to Arizona’s farm that they could move those pieces to acquire someone like Headley from San Diego… 

Im still of the belief that the Jays need arms, even if all the guys on the DL were back, they’d still need arms, but if i were AA i wouldnt be interested in mortgaging the future for a rental like Greinke or Hamels and i wouldnt be willing to bet on Garza being dominant in the AL East again when he’s struggled with in the NL a bit this year.

cyberboo
3 years 1 month ago

Arizona is looking for major league talent for Upton and the Jays have three players they could flip for him.  Arencibia, Escobar, and Snider, with perhaps a McGuire or Jenkins thrown in.  They are major league players and it wouldn’t disrupt the team in the least.  Three players that could help the Diamondbacks now and it basically is a wash salary wise.  Hech then takes over for Escobar, Mathis handles the catching until D’Arnaud returns from his injury, and the Jays fill their left field void, where Snider would probably outhit all three of the players combined in Arizona, finally reaching his potential at 23 year of age. If Arizona wants a Gose or Marisnick added, they will give up Skaggs or Bauer in return, in addition to Upton.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

That doesn’t come anywhere close to getting Upton.

CubsFan5
3 years 1 month ago

I’ll have what you’re having

3 years 1 month ago

I like the thought, but I personally wouldn’t want Arizona to make this trade, I actually wish they would keep Upton and treat him right, but that probably wont happen. If they do trade him, they have to fill in holes immediately, starting pitching and the outfield are where the depth of this team currently lies. 

3 years 1 month ago

Buyers beware much?

Trading Upton to win tell me either Upton is

A. Injured
B. A club house cancer
C. A immature kid, whose mentally lazy, and isn’t willing to improve his game

tomymogo
3 years 1 month ago

yeah so weird, but D-backs management isn’t exactly normal, they just keep getting weirder and weirder. He was supposed to be a perenial mvp candidate, and he was last season. I think it has to do more with the fact he will make 38.5 million in the next 3 years and they don’t want to say they don’t have the money

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

#1.. you get medical records.
#2… they won just fine with him last year.
#3 if you can be an immature kid, mentally lazy and unwilling to improve, and have the success he already has..

well then sign my team up.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 1 month ago

Jays have already made multiple trades for players that fit this mold, and has turned out alright so far (even though Escobar isn’t having the best offensive season thus far).

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

escobar had a bad month but he’s looked right on par the last 2.

I still love that deal though. sign an aging free agent ss and flip him for a young controllable one.

all day.

RipeOn
3 years 1 month ago

agreed.  My lemon sense is tingling by the mere fact that they’re considering trading him, but if it has anything to do with reasons 2 and 3, then the D’Backs are morons and if I’m some other team I can’t pounce fast enough.

This would definitely be a classic Blue Jays move.  

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

I think it’s a darn shame the way players like Upton are treated. Granted, I don’t live in AZ. Granted, they don’t get a lot of ESPN time. However, I’ve read several articles about Upton from local sports writers and while he might be classified as an enigma by some NONE of them used words like lazy or cancer. 

Part of it I think is that he had such early success in his career, breaking into the league at age 19 and we’ve seen flashes of brilliance. How about maybe the kid is just struggling as opposed to being lazy??? If he were a problem then it would shock me that it’s something that would’ve just manifested itself this season. I doubt the Dbacks would’ve locked him to the contract if he had attitude problems. 

Gibson was one of the hardest grinders of the game when he played and I doubt he would bite his tongue if there were motivational issues about Upton. Obviously he won’t say them now since he’s on the block but I think we would’ve known more about it earlier.

To an extent, I think young “naturally gifted” athletes like the Uptons, Delmon Young’s, Kemp, Phillips, Cano and Reyes kind of get these HUGE expectations heaped on them because people expect them to be the next Willie Mays because they see the 4 or 5 tool talents and the early success. I think when that success doesn’t comes as expected it’s a lot more convenient to see a lazy player who is struggling to meet expectations rather than a person who maybe has reached his ceiling, maybe hasn’t figured out how to adjust to the adjustments or maybe was just rushed.

Granderson escaped that label to a large extent because he had such an exuberant personality. I heard SOME rumblings about his attitude, but no where near the “cancer” or “lazy” levels. A player shouldn’t have to be such an immensely bubbly personality to avoid the tag of being lazy or a bad attitude though. Some players just don’t have in them what Grandy might have. Some are quiet, reserved and maybe even a little guarded of the media.

The fact that Upton is all of 24 yo and has had 2 above average seasons already and was a contender for the MVP last year but is seen as disappointing by some is amazingly bizarre.

If/when Trout or Harper hit the wall I wonder what they’ll be labeled as?

dbacknation
3 years 1 month ago

Thats exactly it. Personally, living in AZ and talking with other dback fans, the vast majority DONt see Upton as lazy, and definantely not a cancer. Far from that.
I think the fans and FO are tired of his inconsistent production. Are the expectations too high? Possibly. But at the same tume, a 1st roumd pick, legit 5 tool player with 6 seasons under his belt should have better numbers at the half. He’s also been plagued by injuries from time to time, and as the face of the franchise, again, people expect more. Kubel, Hill and Goldschmidt are completely outplaying Upton. Is a .300 30 100 line from Upton asking too much? Personally, no. so when he’s on pace for just 14 HRs and 60 ribi’s, you can see why theres frustration from the fans and owners alike. The “he’s young, still learning the game” excuse can only last so long. Again, 6 seasons. Maybe he’s just exactly what you see.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

If someone wants to say “trade him because he isn’t playing up to his potential or he’ll never be more than what we see now” I could accept that even if it’s premature to give up on a 24 yo. I just don’t like the idea of him being called lazy BECAUSE of the results. If he dogs it on running out a play or something then that’s another story. 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

We had the same problem with Heyward last year. I do know Heyward had some injury issues lingering, and I don’t know if Upton is having many lingering issues with his shoulder/thumb, but the spotlight was on Heyward and he’s worked through them. They are different in the respect that Upton has had a lot more success for a longer period of time, but both have been successful at an early age. 

I would hope ATL would provide that change, if Upton needed one, that would allow him to clear his head, and just go out and play. To me, even though there’s a lot of risk involved, I find it fascinating if Bourn left via FA, we got Justin and signed BJ to play together. I wonder how they’d play together. Could they motivate and hold each other accountable? Would be interesting having an OF comprised of Heyward and the Upton bros. 

melonis_rex
3 years 1 month ago

Would be interesting having an OF comprised of Heyward and the Upton bros.

that would just be amazing. i would have a reason to care about the NL.

A guy in the conversation for best RF in baseball this year, Justin freaking Upton who’s just awesome, and BJ Upton who’s awesome in CF.

Yes. Just yes.

rick staley
3 years 1 month ago

No way in Dixie does the Upton bros. join Heyward in the OF in Atlanta. Remember, B.J. actually has displayed a lazy approach on defense on several occasions.

 Justin has been pressed into a role he hasn’t been ready for due to a lack of good veteran leadership for which he can follow. I would welcome him to Hotlanta, but not his prima donna brother B.J.

Also, who would be asked to play LF (considered the lesser of the 3 OF spots)? Too much ego there.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Rick, I was just stating a hypothetical. It is possible though. ATL has been linked multiple times to BJ Upton in the past. Even more so than guys that have more connections to ATL like Josh Willingham.

Yes, BJ Upton has had some hustle issues in the past, though I’m not a psychologist, I wouldn’t let that deter me from considering signing him – if we had Justin Upton on the team, had little CF depth in the minors, and Bourn bolts. BJ has a high ceiling and even in his down years still shows speed and great defense. I would hope a new city (with better fans), new team, new opportunity, and a new contract with his brother could allow him the opportunity to flourish. 

What’s the CF alternative if Bourn bolts? An aging Shane Victorino (32), Melky Cabrera, who’ll get his from SF? Been there, done that. Matt Lipka…Todd Cunningham…please…

dbacknation
3 years 1 month ago

There have been a few times when he dogs it in the OF. But not enough for me or anyone else to call him “lazy”. Another thing he does that SOME fans have issues with,is his gum chewing. Sounds silly right? I agree. But fans hate to see Upton at bat with RISP, only to strike out or hit a routine groumd ball or Infield pop up. Then the cameras (TV), will zoom in on upton, only to see a unfazed reaction, as he starts to blow bubbles and pop them, slowly walking off the field. Again, silly reasons by fans, but at tbe same time, showing some emotion or disgust at his efforts or at least, not acting so “ho-hum”, would be more appreciated by the fansI guess.

3 years 1 month ago

Pretty much nailed it. Just because Upton can make the game appear easy at times, never means that it actually is. People see him track down balls with ease, but when he doesn’t get to one, he is lazy and should have tried harder. They refuse to cut him slack out here, it doesn’t make any sense.

Richard Ellard
3 years 1 month ago

Smoke some more Granderson didnt have any label in Detroit like your trying to say!!!

3 years 1 month ago

 I’m a lifelong Dbacks fan (lived in AZ since 91) and Upton is my favorite player on the team. I don’t believe he is any of the above. I can’t understand why the Snakes would be willing to deal Upton when he has yet to hit his prime, but has already put up MVP type numbers. Just doesn’t make sense.

He did have a thumb injury that was bothering him earlier in the year, but I think that is healed. There was a rumor going around on here that his left shoulder is hurt. Not sure where that started, but he hasn’t had a problem with his left shoulder all year.

Thomas Wilson
3 years 1 month ago

true but this is the same team that traded Carlos Quentin and Carlos Gonzalez within a few years of each other

3 years 1 month ago

Weeks but Gonzalez was a prospect.

Ron Loreski
3 years 1 month ago

I’m so tired of every player “being a fit for the Rangers”. They can’t have every available player.

oz10
3 years 1 month ago

it is only because of farm system that we match up with everybody. The Rangers are the easy pick to say that so-and-so would go here because we can afford to trade our better prospects and still be good several years down the road. But it is getting out of hand, we can’t get everybody and not everybody is a great fit.

radicalhenri
3 years 1 month ago

well, soon they won’t be a fit for anyone because they’ll have sick players at every position. i’m a yanks fan and the rangers are insanely good.

Brandon Stubbs Calvert
3 years 1 month ago

What about Upton and Drew for Andrus, Olt and mid to low OF or P prospect?  I think it makes sence for both clubs.  Texas gets upton for years to come as well as still has a SS in the majors until Profar is ready, as well as keeps dbacks in contention this year and another couple good prospects.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

There is no way the Rangers move Andrus at this point. They will eventually, but not in the middle of a season.

randyfastman
3 years 1 month ago

would love to see a three team trade with the Phils getting Upton, someone else getting Hamels and the DBacks getting prospects

mmiller54
3 years 1 month ago

With KT looking to win now… do you think the Phils would do Pence and Hamels for J Up.

Another idea:

Rangers get Hamels
Phillies get Upton and Neil Ramirez
Dbacks get Pence, Olt, and Perez.

I wonder if this is too high of a price for the Phil’s and Rangers but this is just an idea.

3 years 1 month ago

I think the Phillies like Pence.  Not sure they’d be willing to deal him, unless it were for a clear up-grade.

mmiller54
3 years 1 month ago

Maybe this would work better:

Dbacks get Pence and Olt
Phillies get Upton and Perez
Rangers get Hamels

This allows Rangers to not give up Ramirez and the Phillies to get a better prospect in Perez. Dbacks get 3b of future and Pence would help the run for this year. Likely, this would hinge on whether or not the Phillies would move Pence to try to get Upton’s youth and superstar potential.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Why would the Rangers trade Olt and Perez for Hamels?

randyfastman
3 years 1 month ago

I think there is something to work with there…. just needs tweaking.  maybe Rangers get Hamels and a dbacks prospect, Phils get Upton and Ramirez, and Dbacks get Victorino and Olt…. i don’t know, just think Upton would look good in red pinstripes

BustBigDieHappy
3 years 1 month ago

If were going to do this three way deal, I think the Bucs are the logical 3rd team. But the Dbacks would have to part with a little bit more.

Phillies get Upton
Dbacks get Tallion and Dominic Brown 
Bucks get Victorino, cash considerations, and Joe Saunders 

The Pirates are in need of some offense and a pitcher because, lets face it, Bedard will probably get hurt. Victorino and Saunders fit that mold. If the Phillies want Upton, they’ll have to give up Brown and pay the rest of Victorino’s contract to do so. And Arizona gets an outfielder to replace Upton immediately and a prospect with a very high ceiling. This probably won’t work (Arizona gets shafted a bit) but its a start. Plus the Phillies keep Cole.

Rangersalchamps
3 years 1 month ago

Bucs need to get more back if they are giving up Tailon. Thinking instead of Victorino, Pence would be better.

Phillies also need to give up more for upton. Biddle or May

mmiller54
3 years 1 month ago

I think Pittsburgh could get Upton in a two team deal if they wanted. Maybe Tallion,Alvarez, Marte and the Dbacks throw in Saunders or Drew.

Zico
3 years 1 month ago

 You’re crazy if you think Pittsburgh would include Alvarez.

BustBigDieHappy
3 years 1 month ago

I doubt they would give up Alvarez or Marte. Tallion has been rumored as of late but I haven’t seen any indication that Alvarez or Marte are even on the table, and for good reason.

ericc123
3 years 1 month ago

Who would play 3rd base for the Pirates if you traded Alvarez?

3 years 1 month ago

Start with Nunez, Bichette/Austin, Banuelos, Laird, if you need to give more take out bichette/austin and throw in williams

3 years 1 month ago

 Hahahahahahaha.  For a guy whose performance has never lived up to the hype?  Neither of the Upton brothers have come close to their potential, although Justin’s career numbers are a lot more attractive than B.J.’s.  You can have 2, maybe 3 of those guys.  And Banuelos is off the negotiating table but I’ll discuss the other “Killer B”–Betances.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

I do NOT think the Yanks should focus on Upton at all BUT let’s be clear…..Bets value has plummeted and to an extent, so has Bans. Bans may still be a top 100 prospect because of his ability, level and age but he just has not been able to put together 1 solid season yet. He’s averaged about 75 IP over the last 3 years and his control issues still have to be corrected. 

I personally still value him as close to an untouchable but I certainly don’t expect others to feel the same way. His trade value is low right now.

Any deal for Upton would almost absolutely need to include Mason Williams and one of Sanchez/Bans/Austin and one or two of Phelps/Warren/Mitchell/Gamel/Adams/Bichette.

Too much for a guy who is more of a luxury for the Yanks. We can get by with Grandy, Swish, Gardner and possible free agent options for the next 2 or 3 years, be good in the OF and KEEP/USE our best 2 or 3 prospects for other needs/purposes. 

3 years 1 month ago

That offer is heavy, more likely, I could see

Nunez, Bichette, Adams, Bans, and maybe almonte/cojo/gumbs

Yankees keep their top 2 position prospects, and still give something of value. It might not be what the DBacks wanted, but I just don’t see another team giving a better offer.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

As mentioned, I don’t think Upton should be a priority for us BUT I just don’t think Bans can headline a deal for Upton right now. Still a top prospect in my mind but last year was not an impressive year for him and the fact that he’s been injured most of 2012 doesn’t help his value. In addition, even if it isn’t fair, the recent failures of Betances and Brackman stains Bans as well and casts doubt on him too.

Just don’t see a deal happening unless the Dbacks can get Mason Williams and one of Sanchez/Austin/Banuelos  in the deal. I thought maybe a David Phelps would mean something but they aren’t exactly hard up for pitching prospects. Phelps may have value simply because he’s mlb ready. 

Maybe…Maybe…Mason + Phelps + Bichette + other

3 years 1 month ago

The NYY would be in a unique situation, since Arizona wants ML/ML-ready players AND value. The Yanks have a few guys that could step in and contribute (Nunez, Phelps, Warren, etc.), but they don’t represent nearly enough talent by themselves to get the deal done. It would also take a mix of really high upside guys like Williams or Sanchez. Banuelos is an interesting guy in that he is a high-upside guy near ML-ready, but he’s been injured. I would probably do Banuelos, Nunez, Phelps and either Williams or Sanchez, but that would really gut the system.

sharenski
3 years 1 month ago

 Please looks at J Up’s 2009 and 2011 numbers.

Thomas Wilson
3 years 1 month ago

BJ Upton Career Road  .261/.342.416
J Upton Career Road .268/.351/.362

kevinhua
3 years 1 month ago

 Upton does play in a lot of pitchers ballpark (petco, at&t, dodgers stadium,) and against very good pitchers of the nl west (cain, kershaw, etc.)

3 years 1 month ago

Did you look at his numbers last year? They’re absolutely filthy. And if he went to a veteran team where he would probably hit 6 and/or have protection, and Kevin Long (who’s widely considered the best hitting coach in the business) he would put up monster numbers every year. Not to mention YS3 is tiny. 

The package is probably light, Nunez could be a ML SS. Everyone knows Laird is just a stop gap until someone better comes along, because he hasn’t showed much success recently, Bichette/Austin are both in A ball, and could easily not pan out as planned (but it’s worth mentioning that Austin DID make it to the high 30s in the latest prospect rankings). and then you have Banuelos who is a legit prospect and TOR arm. You have to give something to get something and Betances has nearly ZERO value right now. Honestly, if the DBacks did accept that offer it would be the biggest steal in recent years.

Rangersalchamps
3 years 1 month ago

Dude Bans and Bet have both been bad this year. At this point you would be lucky to turn Betances into a reliever. Rumors of Banuelos becoming a reliever also. You don’t trade Upton for relief pitchers.

BustBigDieHappy
3 years 1 month ago

If the Yankees ever want to get under that luxury tax in 2014 they need to hold onto Nunez and especially Mason Williams, Romine, and Sanchez and one of the killer B’s. Upton costs too much; he’ll make about as much as Swisher will get in free agency and the Yanks have already said they have no dog in the Swisher fight. The only way this would work is if Arizona would absorb most of the Upton contract, but theres no way thats going to happen. 

BustBigDieHappy
3 years 1 month ago

Can someone explain this to me, because I still don’t understand the Arizona front office on this one. Isn’t Upton the “face of the franchise”? His 2009 and 2011 seasons are more than enough evidence to convince Arizona to ink an extension… Next thing you know Ian Kennedy is going to be on the chop block. 

mmiller54
3 years 1 month ago

Upton has been booed by fans in Az. He later said he didn’t care what the fans think of him. He alienated the fan base. Moreover, he has looked bored and uncaring this year. He makes frequent boneheaded mistakes (he has been picked off like 5 times this year. However, he is still a superstar talent and the Dbacks would only want to move on from him for a very good package. He hasn’t burned enough bridges for the Dbacks to really want to move him for a mediocre package, but for the right package, they would get rid of the headache.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

sounds like he was alienated by the fan base

mmiller54
3 years 1 month ago

If you have seen Upton and his boneheaded mistakes, lack of caring, and struggling this year you would boo him too. He has not performed for the first half. I do believe he will return to being a great player and the Dbacks should get excellent value if they move him. If not, hopefully he returns to form for a second half run after the all-star break which is hopefully clearing his head.

3 years 1 month ago

as a Braves fan I would much rather keep Prado and pitching prospects. If they got Upton that means Bourn is gone and they have no one to play LF/3B. If they keep Prado then they can try to resign Bourn. If they can’t sign Bourn then get a CF, but Prado gives you immense position flexibility. I wouldn’t like this trade at all for the Braves

inkstainedscribe
3 years 1 month ago

 I would imagine Prado can get close to $10 million in arb after this season, which eats into the budget for signing Bourn. If they can sign him, which is far from certain.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t like it either.  For one thing, Prado has out performed Upton so far this year and the Braves are trying to contend.  Also, I don’t trust that Upton’s shoulder is healthy, otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.  Finally, the Braves need a SP plus a couple of bench upgrades.  Their OF is already the best in baseball so don’t fix what isn’t broken.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Agreed, but this is one of the things a cash-strapped team (in relation to a big market team) needs to consider. Yes, we have almost $40M coming off the books, but with Kimbrel/Hanson/Prado/Jurrjens going to arbitration paydays, Bourn going to FA, and pricey options from McCann/Hudson, ATL can’t afford to do everything it wants to do. Upton’s extension is just what ATL needs in hopes that we’re buying low and he needs the proverbial change of scenery. 

If we did trade Prado, we’d have to look for a 3B…and that’s one of the shallowest markets going into free agency. At least having Prado allows us to focus on more fruitful positions like CF (where there’s a lot of talent even if Bourn bolts, including Justin’s bro, BJ) and LF.

3 years 1 month ago

Prado’s bat is hot this year and he is doing everything that is asked of him (offensively and defensively). I hate to always see his name on the trading block bc he is so versatile and never complains. His work ethic and attitude are infectious to a clubhouse and although he’s not got a huge power bat he is definitely one of the most undervalued guys in MLB

3 years 1 month ago

That’s why it makes sense for the Braves. They can sell high on Prado and buy low on Upton. Is Prado going to significantly improve in his career? Probably not. He’ll probably be a very good player for awhile. Upton? He may stay the same, but he has the potential to have a 5+ year run of doing exactly what he did last year… or more.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Undervalued? You likely won’t be tuning into his arbitration hearing at the end of the season when he’s raking in more than Upton’s $6.75 million. I’m all for not disrupting the team’s cohesiveness, but a Prado-headlined deal for Upton is one that we can’t pass up because Prado is a FA after next season and arbitration until then. Wake up! Prado’s expensive.

3 years 1 month ago

Agreed:  Adding Upton and losing Prado would essentially be a lateral move for Atlanta (especially given Prado’s career-year underway at the plate).  On top of that, you have to understand that Chipper is probably going to miss another 20 +/- games down the stretch, and Prado is his primary backup option.

If they could figure out a way to add Upton without subtracting Martin, then okay.  But I expect that’s not gonna happen.  Starting pitching first.

Colin Christopher
3 years 1 month ago

This would be an amazing deal for the Braves to make. A Braves offense with Heyward and Upton in the 3 & 4 spots for the next five years could make up for a lot of pitching deficiencies.

3 years 1 month ago

wouldn’t an offense with Prado, Heyward and Bourn be even better though?

inkstainedscribe
3 years 1 month ago

 Yes, if they’re willing to pay for it. Bourn is going to demand $12-15 million a year, and somebody will give it to him.

3 years 1 month ago

so spend $12-$15 on Bourn instead of Upton. I don’t see where a trade makes sense here. Upton is younger, sure, but will he ever reach is full potential?

inkstainedscribe
3 years 1 month ago

 The trade provides certainty, that’s all. The Braves will set a ceiling on how much they’ll commit to Bourn, so they risk losing him entirely if they’re outbid. I love the current OF, but there’s no guarantee you can keep it together.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Regardless of what happens, that OF will HAVE to change going into the offseason. Even if they don’t trade, Prado will move to 3B unless they find someone a better fit – and considering 3B market is extremely shallow, they probably get that.

So, you can upgrade with a proven young bat going into his peak years and affordable…or stay with Prado. Frankly, if they aren’t thinking about an extension already with Prado, they should think about trading him. His arbitration years are costly.

3 years 1 month ago

not neccesarily. if we could resign bourn then that would be the best OF in the MLB. its do able to re sign bourn with upton in the OF. just wouldnt allow for a high profile pitcher. 

Colin Christopher
3 years 1 month ago

Sure, but they aren’t going to win the bidding war for Bourn. Also, Prado will be a free agent after 2013, so how much will they have to shell out to keep him? Why not trade him plus some prospects for cost certainty now?

inkstainedscribe
3 years 1 month ago

The Braves have the pitching depth to deal, and Upton would help stabilize the budget for the next three years. Prado is going to cost a lot of money in a hurry, and whether or not the Braves deal him, they still have a hole to fill at either 3B or LF going into 2013.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

I wish we had the resources to trade for Upton and Headley (in different deals, of course), but that might take the farm.

3 years 1 month ago

I think the Diamondbacks would prefer Andrelton Simmons, even though he’s currently injured. I think Simmons, Delgado, Constanza and a some lesser pitching prospect would be a good deal. 

inkstainedscribe
3 years 1 month ago

 Simmons ain’t going nowhere.

3 years 1 month ago

Absolutely this.  Barring disaster, he’s the Braves SS for as long as they can afford to keep him

tomymogo
3 years 1 month ago

That guy is untouchable

3 years 1 month ago

Untouchable for a guy like Upton? Why?

drumzalicious
3 years 1 month ago

 you must not have seen him play.

3 years 1 month ago

And how much have you seen him play? 125 ABs? I looked at his minor league numbers and I see nothing to be blown away by. Especially not for a guy like Justin Upton. In fact, BA had him as the 4th best prospect in the organization this year. So, again, why is he untouchable?

Colin Christopher
3 years 1 month ago

You saw his minor league OFFENSIVE numbers and saw nothing to be blown away by…but baseball players have to play defense, too. In only 33 major league games, he’s saved more runs with his glove this season than every other shortstop in baseball except Brendan Ryan. If he can be even an average hitter, he’s worth his weight in plutonium.

Jay212033
3 years 1 month ago

1. Have you seen the guy play.

2. He’s our best SS and maybe one of the best in the league in the field.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

That’s probably not enough.  And why even bother including Contanza in your post?

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

 Dude they can have Constanza and his duplicate clone Durango.  Don’t think Simmons is going anywhere, though.  That is unless somehow Drew is worked into the deal. 

Prado, any one of the young pitchers (Delgado, Teheran?), Pastornicky and Spruill? 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Even if Simmons was available – which he isn’t – he’s injured now for 4-6 weeks and many reports are that Upton could move before the deadline. ARZ has too many offers on the table even to consider a deal that would be headlined by an injured guy with a lot of potential. (Actually, that might be fitting considering many think Upton is injured (shoulder)). 

If Simmons is involved, no go.

inkstainedscribe
3 years 1 month ago

From the D-Backs’ standpoint, they should love Prado. He would win a batting title in that ballpark.

BraveCrowe
3 years 1 month ago

As special of a Talent Upton is, This trade doesn’t make sense to me.

Why in the world would Arizona want this guy gone so bad? I understand there may be some issues with management and the player–however they could work that out. To me it screams of some underlining problem, such as a chronic shoulder injury or something people outside the organization isn’t aware of.

But to me, it seems like this would create more holes for the Braves long term. We have our 3rd basemen of the future it seems in Prado (who has been our first half MVP) and we still have the option to retain Bourn. By trading Prado and any combination of our Pitching Prospects we are going all in this season, which is swell. But what happens this offseason when Bourn leaves and Chip retires? with what would appear to be a tight budget as it is, do they honestly expect to fill the vacancy at CF with Durango? would we have the flexiablity to go after Justin’s brother? then a whole other issues arises at 3rd base?

As much as I would love to have Upton on this team, It seems to me that it would create more holes long term. and yes I realize that you have to give up good pieces to get a great piece, it still doesnt make sense to me though. But hey what do I know? I’m just a fan. 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Upton’s 2011 numbers don’t suggest there’s long-term damage. Just a buy-low opportunity for elite talent. He’s still just 25 and already has immaculate career numbers. He’s still got another 3-5 of his best years…and most of that could be with the same team. That’s unheard of. I wouldn’t consider trading Prado for many people, but considering the budget, we’ve got to consider being able to obtain someone of Upton’s talent and price. Prado will probably make $10M through arbitration this year, and unless we sign him to a lucrative extension, we need to consider our options.

Frankly, Upton would be more of a deal than Prado – even if we are buying low on Upton. Yes, we’d have to go out and find a 3B solution. Fact is, Prado will be a free agent in another year and a half, so if he were the headliner of this deal, getting Upton for a few more years, we’d be looking pretty good.

In my opinion we should take a flyer on Chase Headley regardless of what we do with Prado/Upton.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

Oh my god…just thinking about it.  Upton, Bourn and Heyward in the OF at the Ted?  Bourn, Heyward, Upton, leading it off?  What?  Wow.  Wren…all would be forgiven if you land Upton.  I love Prado…but Upton is borderline elite talent.  

cpappand
3 years 1 month ago

Upton isn’t going anywhere people. Stop dreaming about what your team might do. This is just the media hyping up a story. Yeah he’s having a dissapointing year but it’s not that awful. He still has 80 games to play to make up for it. Ever since KT has been the manager everyone on the roster is open for trade discussions. PLease move on.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

 Dude…people can dream and speculate. 

3 years 1 month ago

It’s not speculation, the gm is listening to offers

cpappand
3 years 1 month ago

The GM listened to offers last season, too. You just didn’t hear about it because the media didn’t hype it up as much. He’s always been on the market ever since KT took over. In order to get him, a team will have to give us the moon for it to happen. So, like I said, keep dreaming. He’s gonna be a Dback until 2015, if not longer.

3 years 1 month ago

Thank you Mister Absolutes. You know this how? Are you KT in disguise? Chances are probably better than 50/50 if the D-Backs can land a 3rd baseman and/or SS and a good A prospect. 

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

I like Buster’s stuff most of the time and I’m about to single out one piece in this article, so maybe the whole article isn’t obtuse, but…
 
Why in the hell would the Braves send Prado AND prospects to the Diamondbacks for Upton. If he’s wanted out, there’s no reason to overpay for Upton.  Olney provides proof that every fangraphs fan out there has already known: 
 
Martin Prado is the most undervalued player in the game.
 
Furthermore, the Diamondbacks and Braves are mirror minor league organizations, with great pitching and not many hitters.  Their minor league needs don’t match up. Trading Prado during this season, when the Braves so desperately need roster flexibility, would be idiotic and would cost Frank Wren a job. 

On that note, if the Braves could sell a few of their low-leveled hitters to the D’Backs packaged with one of Delgado, Teheran, or Minor (which I dont know why the Dbacks would want any of them), for Upton, I’d be happy as a kid at Christmas.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

 Because Atlanta needs an affordable impact player? 

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Prado’s been a higher impact player by a wide margin this year.  Why would the Braves trade the player with the better 2012 AND prospects for a more expensive player?  The purpose of buying low is that you get the player at a lesser cost, not more…

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

 Yeah but if Prado keeps playing at the level that you’re talking about, his arb numbers this year are not even going to be that cheap.  He settled at 4.5 this year after a career worst season where he played like 130 games.  Upton’s contract is like 6/50.  And he’s 25.  He had a MVP caliber season last year and he wasn’t even reached his prime.  We’re watching Prado’s ceiling now. 

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Arb has hardly anything to do with production and more to do with service.  Prado, at the most, will cost 7.5 million.

3 years 1 month ago

Maybe because they’d be getting the better player? I agree, Prado is a very underrated player, but if you’re going purely on 2012, then it’s very short sighted. Upton still has a brighter  future (potentially) and is cost controlled for a number of years.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Upton makes $6.75 million this year. Prado, through arbitration will make somewhere around $9-10 million if he keeps up his current stats. If nothing else, he’ll make a few million more than Upton’s. So don’t get confused into thinking Prado is the cheaper player. Fear arbitration-eligible players in career years. Prado will be a free agent in 1.5 years and he’s not a long-term solution at 3B. Unless we can secure him for a lucrative extension, we should consider trading him if nothing else because he’s already more expensive than Upton.

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Derek, you’re arb numbers are off. There’s no way Prado top 8 million next year.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Agreed, but my point is still the same. Prado will still cost more in 2012 than Upton and most likely in 2013. For 2014 he definitely will because he’ll be the 1st year in FA and will have an extension. Upton is 5 years younger and has already produced at a higher level and is more affordable. 

I’m all about being loyal, especially considering how they’ve moved Prado around like a ping-pong ball, because of Chipper’s injuries, but there’s not many times you can provide balance in your line-up with an affordable bat. You can question Upton’s work ethics and drive, but I’m tired of ATL losing out by offering this excuse than taking a chance and motivating. And I don’t think it’s fair to say Upton is similar to his brother, BJ, in that respect.

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

I would never assume that Prado would cost the Braves more than 13 million a year.  Prado might be a 5/60 million dollar player, but probably more like 10m/year.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Upton will be cheaper because he’s already signed and Prado is going through arbitration. The only way Prado will be cheaper is if ATL signs him to an extension now or Prado underperforms. Upton is making $6.75 million this year and will be less than Prado’s arbitrated case that will bring in more than that.

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Agreed, on next year, however, he will cost 28 million total the 2 years after.  Have ya looked at the Braves players on Cots baseball contract?  Half the team is eligible for arbitration during that time. 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Yes, but a power-hitting, 5-tool OF is worth that, no? I hope you know the market well enough to know that. Right now, ATL can’t afford a 5-tool OF unless he comes up through our system (i.e. Heyward). Upton’s team-friendly deal could allow us to have that. 

ATL is going to need to sign some of these guys to extensions and decide who and how much some of them worth. I vote for signing Heyward/Hanson through, personally.

As much as I like Prado, he’s a short-term answer at 3B. Upton is a long-term answer in the OF. We’ve been looking for a power-hitting OF for the longest time…and it’s staring at us in front of our face. If that means giving up Prado (and more) for that, then why not? Prado’s ceiling isn’t that high, his base-running bad and his arm bad. Yes, he’s gritty and is exactly what you want in a player, but let’s not act like this is Bryce Harper or Brett Lawrie here, people. 

3 years 1 month ago

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DerekJeterDan
3 years 1 month ago

A package of 3 players? I think they could get a lot more than that for Upton.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

It depends on the three players I suppose.  If one of them is a young, talented major leaguer, or major league ready prospect, I could see them only getting three players (three really good players).

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Prado current WAR: 3.8   Upton current WAR: 1.2.
An idea?  Extend Prado. That’s it. He’s the equivalent player, better teammate, cheaper, and harder worker, Upton’s prospect status from 2006 be damned.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

 Upton has a higher career WAR…

CT
3 years 1 month ago

From Baseball-Reference:
Prado – 13.6 WAR
Upton – 12.2 WAR

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

Anyone with half a braincell would rather have Upton over Prado.

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Explain?

Furthermore, that wasn’t my point.  Sure, parallel Upton to Prado strictly on talent, and Upton is the better player. Parallel the 2 by cost, roster flexibility, and Prado’s ability to play 3rd (at a high level, I might add) next year, and their values arent far off.

Also, Upton will cost an average of 13 million over the course of the next 3 years.  Prado makes 4.75m this year.  Someone mentioned above that Prado might make close to 10m next year, which is ludicrous.  He might make 7.5 (Bourn made right under 7 and is a good comp to Prado’s 3rd year of arb) and no way in hell will he come close to 10million.

So, once again.  Give me educated reasoning as to why my half brain cell doesn’t make sense. 

Bombercules
3 years 1 month ago

Because you’re relying on a theoretical Prado extension being worth less than the remainder of Upton’s contract. Not to mention Upton is four years younger.

Younger player with better career numbers and more team control. The problem with this assessment though is that average 3B production has fallen off the face of the earth and that will make Prado more valuable. Unfortunately that also makes him more expensive. If Prado were extended, I would concede, but until then you’re not being reasonable.

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

I’m not relying on a theoretical Prado extension being anything…

I’m relying on the 2 pitching prospects and 1 1/2 years of Prado being of more value and a cheaper cost than 3.5 years of Upton.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Wow….that’s the worst use of WAR ever. Let’s get past the better teammate and harder worker issue for a second since that’s basically heresay.

Upton’s only issue is that he’s been inconsistent from year to year. However, when he’s on he’s a spectacular player whereas, at his best, Prado can’t compare.
 

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

How about WAR per 600 plate appearances?
Prado: 3.32 Upton: 3.47

Now tell me that Prado+2 pitching prospects (presumably 2 of Delgado, Minor, and Teheran) are worth 3.5 years of Upton.

A 0.15 difference per 600 plate appearances…

Again, that’s at least 11.5 year of cost-controlled players for 3.5 years of Upton.

Again, that’s 11.5 years of salaries that probably won’t equate to 3.5 years of the cost for Upton.

Also, it’s amazing how people value Upton’s 2011, discredit his current numbers which is what the Braves would value. Do you see me discrediting Prado’s terrible 2011? You never here of a team buying high on a player in a down year and that’s what the Braves would be doing in Buster’s scenario.

The trade scenario is not smare.

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Great…spelled smart wrong.  Bring on the chastisement.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

I am so smart! S-m-r-t! I mean S-m-a-r-t!

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Prado’s in for a big payday at the end of the season via arbitration. He’ll be a FA at the end of 2013 and unless we’ve extended him by then, we’ll be in the same situation we’re in now with Bourn. Waiting until FA hits and bid for them like everyone else without getting any compensation (because ATL is afraid of making a qualifying offer and they actually accept (thanks Rafael Soriano)).

Jason Richards
3 years 1 month ago

War is a flawed stat. Prado and Upton are equivalent players? Wow im speechless, this comment is awful.

Ryan Cothran
3 years 1 month ago

Show me where I said Prado is the better player?  I actually said that Upton is the better player but they have comparable WAR.  Add in 2 top pitching prospects and it’s an overpay that a mid-market team, like the Braves,  cannot afford.