Marlins Open To Moving Hanley, Likely To Keep Johnson

The Marlins positioned themselves as sellers earlier today when they traded Omar Infante and Anibal Sanchez to the Tigers for a package of prospects highlighted by Jacob Turner, and it doesn't sound like they're stopping there. In talking to teams around the league, Scott Miller of CBS Sports hears that the Marlins have "never been more open" to the idea of trading long-time franchise cornerstone Hanley Ramirez.

As Miller notes, the Fish don't feel they're far from contending, they simply have soured on a mix of players that has underperformed. Ramirez's most recent antics, in which he punched a cooling fan in the dugout, now have him unavailable to play. Ramirez stopped taking medication for the cut he sustained, which has led to an infection in his hand.

Ramirez is signed through 2014 and will make $15.5MM in 2013 and $16MM in 2014. The former MVP candidate is batting just .246/.322/.430 with 14 homers and 14 steals.

Miller was told by a source familiar with the Marlins' thinking that they are likely to hang onto right-hander Josh Johnson, who was scouted heavily tonight. Unlike Sanchez, Johnson has one year of team control left, which is why the Marlins preferred to move Sanchez. Johnson will earn $13.75MM in 2013 — the final year of a four-year, $39MM pact he signed prior to the 2010 season.

Randy Choate, who is finishing up a two-year contract, is also expected to be traded prior to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, according to Miller. The 34-year-old lefty slayer has pitched to a 2.19 ERA in 24 2/3 innings and held same-handed hitters to a minuscule .136/.188/.169 triple slash line. Choate signed a two-year, $2.5MM deal in December of 2010.

85 Responses to Marlins Open To Moving Hanley, Likely To Keep Johnson Leave a Reply

  1. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the Phillies make a run at Hanley. Not sure what’s fair for him anymore as he’s underperformed for two years now.

    Putting him in our veteran clubhouse might help turn his attitude around.

    • The Phillies are 14 games back, why would they trade for Hanley? And where does he play? Also, how are they going to pay for him especially if they extend Hamels? Makes no sense.

      • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

        I forgot there wasn’t a 2013 season.

        • And he plays where? And they pay him how?

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            They need a third baseman.

            They’d pay him with whatever money’s left by not resigning Victorino, Polanco, etc… i don’t know. If Hamels gets signed I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lee dealt to Texas… or maybe they trade Pence (which wouldn’t make sense because then we’d need a RF… idk).

            I doubt it happens anyway so it’s moot. He’s not the type of player the Phillies target.

          • OrangeCards 3 years ago

            and Hamels?

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            Hamels is going to be signed…

          • dc21892 3 years ago

            Don’t be so sure of that. He wants his big pay day and I fully expect him to test the market. Why wouldn’t he? Starting pitching is so sought after he will make 20M more easily than he would if he signed right now with Philly.

  2. Grienke’s stock hasn’t changed. Infante got the marlins Turner.

  3. would love to see Marlins land Carl Crawford in blockbuster deal.

    • why craw needs tommy john after the season

      • MaineSox 3 years ago

        Position players can generally play through the injury, and he could have the surgery in October and be ready for spring training (the recovery time is only a few months for position players).

    • you and every red sox fan…

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      Crawford for Reyes?

      I’m half kidding, and I’m not really sure how I’d feel about that deal because, while Reyes is cheaper (although the Red Sox could send money to make up the difference) and younger, he has had several leg injuries and a ton of his value comes from his speed.

      • ARod's Ring 3 years ago

        And crawford’s value comes exactly from what?

        • MaineSox 3 years ago

          Also his legs, but did you miss the first part of that sentence? “he has had several leg injuries” and Crawford never has, that was my point.

  4. jayson 3 years ago

    Mariners are a good fit…

  5. I think desperate is a better term than open

  6. Hanley belongs in the orange and black, would fill the need for a right handed bat, could play 3rd and move Pablo to first, or fill the desperate need the Giants have for a Shortstop. Do it Sabean!

    • i already a die hard but this would top it all off..crawford blows and belt im sure would be appreciated by marlin fans

    • jdkladsjl 3 years ago

      Lmao what would you give up for him? Your minor league system is thin lol

    • I don’t think Zito would accept the trade though

    • rainyperez 3 years ago

      Sabean might be able to do it but it might take Crick and maybe a Brown to get it done unfortunately. Giants can keep Blackburn who looks to be something special and the steal of the draft.

    • PWNdroia 3 years ago

      Could the Giants afford him? Honestly, I think they are better off without him.

    • Namio 3 years ago

      He’s a struggling slugger while owed a lot of money in the next couple of years. This does not include the talents and players it takes to obtain him. Will the benefits he brings outweighs the risks and cost? I kind of doubt it.

  7. macdice 3 years ago

    The Mariners just go rid of a $16m contract… Marlin fans, what would the team want in a deal for Hanley. What are their needs?

    • OptimisticMarlinsFan 3 years ago

      3B, 1B/LF, CF, C, 2B, pitching…pretty much anything at this point

      • macdice 3 years ago

        Would the Marlins be more interested in salary relief or higher level prospects?

        • OptimisticMarlinsFan 3 years ago

          Honestly, I have no clue what they are more interested in but if they should be more interested in top prospects. This organization always finds a way to be different, though.

        • ludafish 3 years ago

          The owner is in love with Hanley and since we need help next season and seem to have money now i would bet they would eat money for elite prospects.

    • OrangeCards 3 years ago


      What is HRam’s problem on the field? Is it all mental / attitude or are his physical skills diminishing too?

      What kind of package would it take?

      • HanRam is just not hitting, he is trying to hit everything out, and pressing with men on. He is putting the work in but is unable to hit at an acceptable level.

        as for package I would expect the marlins to be looking for 1 great prospect. ideally pitching, but a CF major league ready prospect would get it done. it could also take a 3B prospect. Young is the key, this is not a money dump, this is a dissatisfaction with success on the field. parting ways would be the best way to get something in return and give hanley an opportunity to turn it around.

        • rainyperez 3 years ago

          I would say the teams around MLB have more leverage. It’s no longer a SSS with Hanley anymore. You are talking about $31 million a team would have to take on or maybe half of that. Nevertheless teams will simply point out his declining stats, defense, and percieved attitude problem from outsiders looking in.

    • rsanchez1 3 years ago

      I would gladly take King Felix for Hanley.

  8. tdw815 3 years ago

    The Redsox need a shortstop

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      Hanley’s not really a SS

      • Let’s be honest, neither is Aviles, but Hanley would just add to the stock full of clubhouse cancers currently plaguing that team.

        • MaineSox 3 years ago

          Aviles has been a well above average defender at SS given the chance to play every day this year.

          • Crucisnh 3 years ago

            And he’s been productive offensively as well. Oh, sure, his OBP stinks. And his AVG is mediocre. But he does hit some HR’s and drives in a surprisingly high number of runs for a guy in his position.

            Thus, on the whole, I’d say that Aviles has done a very serviceable job for the Sox at SS this season.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            Well, he’s been well below average overall offensively (and I personally can’t stand watching him play – I really don’t even know why, he just bugs me), but yeah he’s been pretty solid there overall (he’s on pace for 3.3 WAR).

          • He has been very clutch with RISP hitting at .335 or in that area, but when I think of SS’s you gotta be saving more runs than he has thus far

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            His defense has actually been pretty good this year. How he has hit with RISP is a really small sample size though, so it’s hard to say that it’s anything more than randomness.

    • For Beckett?

    • Crucisnh 3 years ago

      No, they don’t. Aviles, while hardly spectacular offensively or defensively, has been entirely serviceable at SS. And if anything, replacing him with Hanley would make the Sox worse at SS, not better.

  9. soxfan123123 3 years ago

    Alexei Ramirez + c level prospect For hanley

  10. DempseyK 3 years ago

    Although his defense at short is not good to say the least, i would gladly tolerate some miscues at short to put Clint Barmes on the bench and stop him from collecting 3-5 AB’s per night. It is absolute torture to watch him hit (or try to)

  11. not_brooks 3 years ago

    I doubt the Marlins trade Hanley until this winter at the earliest.

    It’ll take a team with a lot of patience, a lot of payroll space and a flexible DH spot, as Hanley’s awful at both short and third and you can’t just throw him in the outfield in the middle of a pennant/wild card race.

    The O’s would have been a fit before they traded for Thome. The A’s could have been a fit, but they don’t want to trade prospects and they don’t need a prima donna, former super star screwing up the good thing they have going on right now. Also, that contract would be a stretch for them. Who else…? Maybe Boston. Maybe an NL team that doesn’t have any better options at short/third.

    Anyway… Due to the contract, the year and a half long slump, the attitude issues and the fact that he doesn’t have a position, it just seems like the Marlins will be able to get better value for him in the winter when he can put this season behind him, start fresh and get familiar with the outfield during spring training.

    • mlbscout6 3 years ago

      Hanley has been really good at third base, and in only his first year. You obviously haven’t seen him play this year.

    • Actually I heard a rumor that the Diamond backs were willing to trade Justin Upton for Hanley seeing as Upton is apparently disgruntled w the team and they need a 3rd baseman look out for that deal

  12. Lane gonick hallows 3 years ago

    giants will take him

  13. OaklandFan22 3 years ago

    Would love to see the A’s get hanley. We have the chips.

  14. Thinking out loud here. Could Hanley play left? I mean the reds need a leadoff or 4 hole hitter. Hanley would fit nicly between Votto and Bruce. What would it take to get him? Didi and another top twenty prospect?

  15. BK 3 years ago

    He would fit well at first base with the Angels and would likely be served by Pujols’s spicy latin leadership. The Marlins dont have a leg to stand on with a guy being paid like a superstar, underperforming, acting like a brat and their public comments about their desire to move him. I think something simple like Hellweg or Cron plus Callapso gets the job done.

    Imagine running through Trout, Hunter, Pujols, Trumbo, Rameriez! That is a brutal stretch.

    • Do you or other people on this thread realize that he has been below league average as hitter since the end of 2010? The guy needs to show he can still play before the Marlins get anything of value back (aside from maybe salary relief).

      • dc21892 3 years ago

        His career numbers prove he can hit. He’s just in a bad slump, that his poor attitude isn’t allowing him to get out of. You don’t put up the numbers he has over his career by luck. Hanley needs a veteran ball club that can straighten his you know what out. A few years ago, I’d say, sure Boston would be that place. As of today, I would love them to have him, but is he really worth the potential headache to a team that already has some locker room issues (whether denied or not it’s clear there are unhappy campers on the team). First bad judgement and Bobby V would rip him. Not sure it would work in Boston, yet I wish it would. Ideally, they put together a nice big package and acquire him and Johnson and everything gets better. Oh, if it were that easy.

        • BMiggy 3 years ago

          lets be honest, he hasn’t been the same since his shoulder injury. && he’s lost his short stroke for a much longer uppercut swing trying to hit homeruns every AB.

  16. BK 3 years ago

    Morales and Callapso for Han Ram? He would be served to learn from Pujols’s caliente latin leadership.

    • OptimisticMarlinsFan 3 years ago

      I surely hope that’s not what they get in return for him.

  17. rsanchez1 3 years ago

    LTrade Hanley, keep JJ. This is exactly what I as a Marlins fan want to hear. Here’s hoping they follow through with it.

  18. Dustroia15 3 years ago

    Beckett, Punto, Lars Anderson and Iglesias


    Ramirez and Johnson

    • dc21892 3 years ago

      The Marlins would certainly need more if they’re giving up Johnson. And before you attack me, I’m a sox fan realizing that is not a fair or possible deal at all.

      • Dustroia15 3 years ago

        Johnson ERA in low fours in NL
        Beckett ERA in mid fours in AL
        Anderson is the Sox former top prospect and is looking decent this year in AAA, was looking much better before 0 HR is July.

        Iglesias is the 4th best prospect in the Sox system and is known for the defense not the offense.
        If Ramirez has negative value than I see this as fair value IF the Red Sox took on his entire salary while paying for a portion of Becketts.
        Salaries aside Johnson for Beckett and Anderson is a wash.
        If Ramirez is as disfunctional as he is being made out to be, getting the 4th best prospect in system and a warm body is a wash.

        • dc21892 3 years ago

          You really tried to defend your logic with ERA? You already failed to prove a poiint since ERA is far from the whole picture.

  19. formerdraftpick 3 years ago

    If I were the Pirates, I would try making a move for Hanley. It would resolve the non-production issue from the shortstop position as well as the middle of the order power bat.

  20. what wouold the pirates have to give up for him?

  21. tebow20 3 years ago

    With Chipper Jones leaving ATL after this year, It’s possible Hanley could be a Brave.

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      ha, worst fit possible.. if braves couldnt handle escobar, i doubt they would put up with hanley

      • tebow20 3 years ago

        Haha you are probably right. Did Freddie have problems with is former player? Im trying to remember.

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

          LOL. Gonzalez made the problem WORSE if anything.. he simply went along with anything Loria wanted and let Ramirez act like a child. Jack mcKeon at least stood up to Ramirez and told him NO which made him pout, then go cry to his “daddy” Jeff Loria.

  22. I_of_the_Tigers 3 years ago

    I know the Marlins and Tigs already made a trade and that the Tigs may not have anything left to offer but I think Hanley would be a great fit in Detroit. Give him his old spot at SS back (he’s just as good a fielder as Peralta) and he would be with good friend and off-season workout pal Cabrera. A change of scenery would do Ramirez good. What would they need in return? How about a package of Peralta, Boesch, and prospect Oliver. Throw in Rayburn to sweeten the deal (haha). It’s far fetched but the Marlins get out of under that huge contract of an under-performing player and get the Tigers #2 pitching prospect and three MLB everyday players. Just a thought…

  23. baseballfan1945 3 years ago

    The Red Sox would trade Carl Crawford for Hanley. They now have a glut of young outfielders but could use a more consistent everyday shortstop. I think Carl would like to be back in the sunshine state.

  24. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    Whatever. I pretty much said it wasn’t realistic anyway, I was just saying I’d want him…

  25. OrangeCards 3 years ago

    No, you really didn’t say anything at all about it being unrealistic. In fact, you defended it.

  26. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    I did defend it because the guy who pointed it out said that “we’re 14 games back…” and asked me questions. The Phillies need a third baseman next year. I don’t even think I defended it in either my original or edited post… I just, once again, answered his question.

    I said it wasn’t completely out there. And in my original post before I edited it, I said it was doubtful to happen… which it is. I would guess Ruben doesn’t even pick up the phone…. which makes a trade unrealistic.

  27. grienke isn’t really an Ace this year. what do you expect to get for him?

  28. BrocNessMonster 3 years ago

    Excuse me?

  29. OrangeCards 3 years ago

    I’m seeing your handy editing now … well done.

  30. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    I didn’t change much anyway. All I added was Cliff Lee, the fact that trading Pence makes no sense, and changed my wording because clearly it was confusing some people. If I was changing my point, I wouldn’t have pointed out the fact that I edited my post.

    I didn’t want to come off as saying it was realistic, I was just saying why I thought it might be possible and not as out there as the poster made it seem. When I said it was doubtful in my original post, I pretty clearly stated that it was unrealistic.

  31. OrangeCards 3 years ago

    When you said “Whatever. I pretty much said it wasn’t realistic anyway, I was just saying I’d want him…” there was nothing in your posts about it being unrealistic. If there was, my comment wouldn’t have made any sense. It wasn’t until I pointed this out that you added that stuff. But whatever, it’s the internet and it matters not.

  32. I don’t really know what you guy’s are looking at, but grienke hasn’t been an ace this year. I’m sorry to disappoint you, not to say olt is out of the question, but it might take some money from the brewers side to get it done. Hamels is an ace this year. a whip of 1.25 and an ERA of 3.57 an ace does not make.

  33. mlbscout6 3 years ago

    Honestly have you not been paying attention to how many teams around MLB need a 3rdbaseman?

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