Pirates Have Had Talks For Quentin, Upton

11:27am: Interest in Upton is said to be "huge'' and the Diamondbacks are only interested in making a "perfect" deal, sources tell Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.  Sources say that the outfielder's limited no-trade list is not the same as it was a couple years ago when it consisted of the Tigers, Indians, A's, and Royals.  Detroit, Heyman notes, is a team that would have interest in Upton.

10:54am: The Pirates have had preliminary trade discussions involving the Padres' Carlos Quentin and the Diamondbacks' Justin Upton, major league sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.com.  Talent evaluators from both teams have scouted PIttsburgh's farm system in recent days and the teams are preparing lists of prospects they would target in a potential deal.

It is unlikely the Pirates would acquire both outfielders, but they have a strong desire to land one of the two.  Quentin, 29, would require a lesser package as he is eligible for free agency after this season.  Upton, 24, would cost more in terms of prospects as he is under contract through 2015.

When it comes to trades, the Pirates are said to be more attached to Gerrit Cole than Jameson Taillon, in part because Cole is closer to the big leagues.  The D'Backs are looking to compete again in 2013 and would likely target players who are closer to the majors in a deal for Upton.  The Padres, meanwhile, are willing to take younger players, as long as they have considerable upside.


190 Responses to Pirates Have Had Talks For Quentin, Upton Leave a Reply

  1. zak1993 3 years ago

    Could you imagine Upton, Marte and McCutchen in the same outfield? That would be one of, if not, the best outfields in the league. I would easily give up Taillon+ for Upton

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      marte would be gone. but in a few years you could theoretically have mccutchen, upton, and bell

    • Dylan Ramirez 3 years ago

      I would imagine any deal for Upton would have to include Marte. D-backs are loaded with pitching prospects and will be looking for position players in a package for Upton and players that can be on the major league club by the start of the next season. Marte is the only guy that fits that bill for the Pirates. 

    • bigpat 3 years ago

       Yeah, I think Marte would be gone, and I’d probably be ok with that. As long as they don’t trade Cole, but man that outfield would be amazing.

      I also wonder what it would take to get Ian Kennedy back in a deal, probably wouldn’t happen without Cole but getting Upton who’s under contract and trading for and extending Kennedy would be the kind of move that sets them up for years to come.

      Personally while it’s exciting to dream about Upton in black and gold, I think it would make more sense to just trade lesser prospects and get back Quentin, who is really hitting this year. Maybe they can extend him, if not it’s no big deal. I’d imagine they can get him for Rudy Owens/Justin Wilson and another decent prospect.

  2. Upton sucks this year I wouldn’t.

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      his power has been absent thus far, but he’s still posting a .350 OBP in a slow start.. annnnnnd he’s still young. that comment is fluff

  3. Henduck 3 years ago

    Wow. Cutch & Upton. Get it done Neal. Get. It. Done.

  4. Sam Talarigo 3 years ago

    it would be one of the most athletic outfield in a long time but they will have to give Marte up

  5. qudjy1 3 years ago

    Taillon, Marte, Hanson?

    • zak1993 3 years ago

      Not all 3. Pick 2. I would preferrably give up Hanson and Taillon because assuming we sign Appel, Taillon is expendable

      • Teacher_in_Tejas 3 years ago

        add to those two either Wilson, Locke or one of the other pitchers blocked at AAA right now.  Arizona can plug them right into the rotation in the second half to see what they can do.

        • qudjy1 3 years ago

          Bleh.   I think AZ would just keep Upton at that point.   2 A ball guys and roster filler isnt what towers is looking for IMO.

      • qudjy1 3 years ago

        I doubt Towers would not do that.  Both Tailon and Hanson are in A ball.   Nice prospects and all, but years away.   It just doesnt fit.

      • Todd Smith 3 years ago

        I’d rather give up Marte than Hanson in a deal for Upton, I think.  Not sure if Hanson can stick at SS long term, but if he does he is the only real SS prospect in the organization.  Still a lot of depth at OF even without Marte.

    • bigpat 3 years ago

      If they throw in Ian Kennedy, yes but not for Upton alone. He’s a very good OF but it’s a down season and no one else will offer that kind of package. That’s three top 50 prospects.

      • qudjy1 3 years ago

        Towers wont trade Upton for 2 A Ball players.   just wont happen.

        • bigpat 3 years ago

          They would throw in another player or two, but usually the way these trades work is one or two top prospects and another 10-15 guy and maybe a live arm of some sort.

          Also Marte is in AAA and is pretty much major league ready. I think they’d love to have him in their outfield or even dangle him as trade bait if they’d rather just insert Parra and Kubel into the lineup every day.

          I know Upton is young and established but his stock is down and we rarely see teams give up the moon for players anymore. Look at the trades of Greinke, Halladay, Lee, Pence, etc. Teams traded one or two of their top 10 prospects but didn’t flat out drain their system.

          • qudjy1 3 years ago

            Most of those guys werent signed for 3 more years.   I dont think 3 prospects is too much to ask.   One AAA guy who could be up soon, and 2 A ball guys with Upside.   I dont see that as the moon.

          • qudjy1 3 years ago

            link to baseball-reference.com Not a big fan of all of those Ks of Marte.   Not impressed.

          • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

            there was this prospect in arizona a couple years back who was knocked for his k-rate. can’t remember his name

          • qudjy1 3 years ago

            I just looked at Martes stats.. No thanks   Forget it.   I dont see anything that great. Lots of Ks in the minors, not much power. Im just keeping Upton if Im KT.

          • your high five tools

    • definately not Henson. He is a stud!!

  6. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    if somebody other than me has to get upton, the pirates seem like a good choice

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      or the jays… either way is good, either way

      • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

        browsing canadian real estate as we speak

        • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

           ha, toronto probably has the most overrated and expensive real estate in north america. I’d just get the mlb package and kick your feet up

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      Have you ordered a Pirates Jersey yet just in case, or are you waiting to see if it actually happens?

  7. Smrtbusnisman04 3 years ago

    I kind of have to agree with Keith Law on this topic; the Pirates finally have a good farm system (11th overall i think) and i would hate to see them give up Taillon, Starling Marte, Alen Hansen, and Rudy Owens in a trade for Justin Upton.

    What happened to coveting Chase Headley?

    • qudjy1 3 years ago

      I thinkn it will take a lot for Towers to trade Upton now.   Sounds like preliminary discussions are just GMs getting a feel for what it would take.

    • bigpat 3 years ago

       Headley is a little overrated and wouldn’t really have a set position. I would maybe trade for him in the off-season once they can sort out the 1b/3b situation but right now I’d take Quentin from the Padres.

    • louis_09 3 years ago

      I think coveting Chase Headley quieted with the production, both offensively and defensively, that the Pirates are getting from Pedro Alvarez.  You don’t acquire Headley and put his 3B-defense in the OF, and if Alvarez has turned the corner offensively…his bat holds a ton more value at 3B than at 1B (not to mention the Jones/McGehee platoon working nicely at 1B right now).

      I’m not a big fan of giving up all the talent it would take to acquire Upton either, though the fact we’d have him for 3.5 years does cushion that blow.  My thoughts are that small market clubs MUST draft well and have that talent materialize at the ML level to be competitive.  The Pirates cannot afford to bid for stars in free agency.  They need to pick-and-choose their free agents wisely, and use their system to bring impact players to the ML level that are cost controlled (McCutchen, Walker, Alvarez) while injecting free agents to fill in the gaps.

  8. Smrtbusnisman04 3 years ago

    That would be Arizona’s ideal return for Upton, plus Rudy Owens or Jeff Locke.

  9. Smrtbusnisman04 3 years ago

    Is Josh Willingham available or is Terry Ryan still in denial about restocking the Twins farm system with pitching?

  10. Thomas Carrano 3 years ago

    As a Padre fan I would want more pitching prospects and not Marte

    • Henduck 3 years ago

      You have nothing to worry about then. They’re noy giving up Marte for Headley or Quinten.

  11. Thomas Carrano 3 years ago

    Headley wants to stay in San Deigo and they want a ton of prospects

  12. The big 3 (Tallion, Cole, Heredia) would be untouchable in a deal for Quentin it would have to be Owens Locke Wilson level

  13. zak1993 3 years ago

    Isn’t B.J a free agent after this season? Maybe we can convince him to come play with his brother and McCutchen :)

  14. Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

    If the Pirates sign Appel here in a few days, they have a really good piece in Taillon to trade. Appel and Cole in your farm is amazing enough, especially with the pitching they have now.

    • Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

      Pirates should also be looking for a 1 year rental Catcher to trade for.

    • bigpat 3 years ago

       I hope they sign Appel before they trade Taillion though or else Boras will use it as more leverage.

      • louis_09 3 years ago

        Boras can try to use it for whatever he likes.  If Appel doesn’t sign, the Pirates have pick #8B next year (arguably a deeper draft).  Having 2 first round picks, plus potentially a “lottery” pick, and the Pirates could have substantial money to play with in next year’s draft.

        Couple that with the fact that Appel would lose serious leverage if he comes out after his SR year…I don’t envy Boras’ situation.

        As for trading Taillon, if you’re going to do it…you do it.  That move is independent from signing Appel, IMO.

        • not to mention we could also sign buehler with the bonus money we have saved up think its like 700-800 k

      • Todd Smith 3 years ago

        The deadline to sign Appel is Friday…I doubt they make a big deal before then anyway.

  15. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Unfortunately, I don’t see the Jays matching up for what Arizona wants/needs

    but maybe if you start with Gose, Escobar and Syndergaard you have a chance.

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      the jays could get him without blinking. it’s a question of willingness. even with upton’s value low(er than usual), i don’t think anthopolous will pay what it takes

      • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

        I doubt it too. Upton is awesome but the offense has been good enough. I think at this point the upgrades would have to be for run prevention..

        however his value is low(er) and you know AA loves a good bargain

        • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

          and you do have to cash in those prospects at some point; you can’t just wait with fingers crossed

          acquire upton, sign greinke, make 4 weirdly good low-level trades. profit

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            I’m good with moving some prospects, reality is even someone as highly touted as gose or marisnick has such a slim chance to being upton.

            our top of the rotation  pitching depth scares me though. Romero looks lost, I think even if you do add Grienke you need to add another #3. Mcguire and Jenkins not developing really through a wrench in things.  both 1st round picks too.

          • Even a “Finding-himself” Romero could pass as a  #3, assuming he actually succeeds in finding himself. Then you can slot him behind #1 and Morrow. Get an innings eater and cobble the rest together out of Alvarez, McGowan, Hutchison, Cecil, etc.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

             I wasnt suggesting otherwise from Romero.. I know hes not as good as he was last year..but he’s not as bad as he’s been this year.

            However, adding another number 3 would solidify things a bit.  Alvarez and Hutch are both still young so inconsistency will be a part of their game.

            as for Mcgowan, he’s stop throwing and making another trip to a shoulder specialist. We may never see him pitch again. :/

          • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

            on-game romero and morrow are poor rotation leaders, but very strong complementary 2/3 guys. alavarez is a great guy to have at the back. if you add a legitimate ace, that rotation is quite good

            i agree that adding another solid #3 type would be an effective hedge, though. whether or not it’s for upton, a big trade is warranted in the next ~6 months. and a big signing if you ask me

    • I think Snider should probably be in any potential deal for Upton unless he is going to be the 4th OF next year.  If Jays got Upton and re-signed EE I’d be stoked.  Should easliy be a top 3 offense in baseball next year.

  16. M_Harden 3 years ago

    Reading fan trade proposals really, really makes my brain hurt. No, guys, real life GM’s will NOT trade 24 year olds who have shown MVP caliber play (who’s also under contract) for anything less than a king’s ransom. They will NOT take your mediocre prospects and good but not great youngsters in A-ball.

  17. nelly33 3 years ago

    Upton makes too much sense for the Reds, so Jocketty probably won’t do it.

    • BeatEmBucs 3 years ago

      Who the Reds have left to trade? They spent the farm on Latos. There’s no way they have anything that could even come close to landing Upton.

    • Jocketty has barely anyone left too trade they already dealt there 2 biggest propsects Grandal and Alonso already and Boxburger is gone too

  18. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    also let me help this thread:

    the answer to “would a package of x, y, and z be enough?” is “no”

    the answer to “you would seriously give up x, y, z, and your first born child?” is “and his mother. and my mother. yes”

  19. Brian K. Rhodes 3 years ago

    Upton is due about 43 million through 2015.  Kind of a red flag because of the down year he’s having this season.  A dream OF of Marte, Upton and Cutch would be fantastic but I’m sure Marte would have to be included in a deal for Upton.

    • Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

      I would think Marte/Cutch/Bell was the more ideal line.

      • Todd Smith 3 years ago

        Bell is still a long ways off – which makes Upton kind of the perfect fit.  By the time his contract is up, you have Bell ready to step in and replace him.

    • James Attwood 3 years ago

      In a deal for Upton, the one thing almost CERTAIN to not go back to AZ is another OF. They already have too many stud OFs as it is.

      • Bigj48 3 years ago

        if the of is ready now wed love to have him, chris young is scuffling since coming off the dl, and his bff leaving might make him pout

        • James Attwood 3 years ago

          Pollack is ready if it comes to that. And CY isn’t going to stay at the Mendoza line.

    • They would want Marte considering they are loaded with pitching in AZ already although there is no doubt in my mind that they would demand Cole or Tallion either.

  20. Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

    Quentin is cheaper to grab, and I don’t think it will take as much for him than Upton. It messes up with your Defensive spots a bit (Jones to 1B?), but would be a nice boost to the offense. I also don’t think it would take much, is because the Padres are pretty set in their farm. You put Taillon+ in the mix (after signing Appel), and you got a deal.

    • zak1993 3 years ago

      No chance you would get Taillon straight up, let alone +, for Quentin.

      • Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

        Once again, their is this false notion that a guy in the Farm > proven ball player and able to contribute now.

        • louis_09 3 years ago

          So the Pirates should trade a top prospect for an oft-injured, 1/2 season rental?  No way, and hiding behind the “guy in the farm < proven ball player" argument is a joke.

          Quentin may net the Padres some talent, but if you think they will acquire a top-15 ML prospect for him…you need a reality check.

          • Quentin won’t get them much remeber he is a injury prone OF who has been struggling of late mind you who also a rental.Grant it he has 0 protection in that Padres lineup.SD I will spell this out

            Fulmer-no
            Taipa-maybe

            Obviously

            Wheeler-no
            Harvey-no
            Familla-no
            Mejia-no
            Nimmo-no

            other than that pick your posion you can have Valdespin, Wilmer Flores, and basically any other.

            Taipa+Flores+Valdespin for Quentin and Street

            that maybe to much because he is a rental I would definitley do that if we can extend them

        • BeatEmBucs 3 years ago

          True, but Taillon is not happening for an injury prone rental.

        • Todd Smith 3 years ago

          You don’t give up a top 10 prospect for a 2 month rental.  Ever.

  21. Dylan Ramirez 3 years ago

    I wonder if the Padres could work out a three way deal where Upton goes to the Pirates, Headley goes to the D-backs, and Marte comes to the Padres. Obviously, other pieces would have to be involved, but it would seem to satisfy each team’s needs. 

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      So basically the D-backs are trading Upton for Headley? Cmon people. 

      • Dylan Ramirez 3 years ago

        “obviously, other pieces would have to be involved”. 

        • TophersReds 3 years ago

          It would have to be big pieces going to the D-backs, which would complicate things even further. It’s hard even to pull off a superstar trade like Upton, but making the trade go between 3 teams would make the complexity of the trade ridiculous.

    • Sd_brain 3 years ago

       The padres might as well just trade for upton

  22. I can’t see the Bucs giving up Marte in an Upton package; given Marte could be a star player under control for six years – the guy’s upside may push McCutchen into LF… that says something.  Tabata/Presley are the most expendable outfielders – both with every-day upside, but consistency issues.  I think Brad Lincoln is a great sell-high chip.  Apparently, the Pirates have no intention of giving Jeff Clement another chance despite a strong, healthy season at AAA.  Jordy Mercer should already be the starting short stop, but Neal won’t admit his failure and cut Barmes – making Mercer expendable.  Etc. etc. etc.  The Bucs have the pieces and landing Upton would be huge, but they have to remember they’re the Pirates.

    • lonleylibertarian 3 years ago

      Billy,

      You must not have been watching games – Barmes is playing great defense – that is what they wanted from him when the signed him…
      Yes they expected more like .260 with a few more homers – but they need his glove…

      My concern over Upton is attitude – he seems to have become more like his brother – great talent – but poor work ethic – not a good team mate…

      •  I watch every game.  Mercer has above average defensive skills, similar to Barmes – but with the ability to get on base more than a couple times every few days.

        • lonleylibertarian 3 years ago

          Fair enough – and I am not a huge fan of Barmes – but do think his defense is what they want.  Certainly agree they will need to upgrade SS over the winter.  Right now I am more concerned about the pitching – a better third starter would be my first priority – and I think the time has come to put Marte on the field and see what he can do – gives you a couple of weeks before the trade deadline – if he fails, go all in for the best bat available,

          • Agreed on the 3rd starter.  Karstens has shown he can be that guy, but I won’t hold my breath on it.  I could see some of the crazy packages in this thread being offered up for Felix Hernandez or another ace on a team with no chance.  That’s an “all-in” move for this season.  Seems like by slotting Correia into the 2-spot, the Bucs FO is thinking of finding another arm sooner than later.

            Also agreed on Marte.  The Sutton magic seems to have cost him a couple weeks of at bats – especially considering how Hernandez is being used.

          • lonleylibertarian 3 years ago

            I love Karstens – but if they could get a Quality 3 he then becomes even more valuable as a 4…

            We shall see how this all plays out – but I think they wanted Marte to play in the minors through the break and then bring him up – the second part of that is they might play Sutton at Short for a stretch and see if he can continue to hit – he is a definite liability defensively though…

        • Todd Smith 3 years ago

          You’re basing that on Mercer’s .077/.200/.077 line, then?

  23. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    If I was the Sox this is what I would offer for Upton. Brentz, Lavarnway, and Jacobs plus maybe someone like Stolmy. That way they get someone who is near ready in Brentz, someone who is ready in Lavarnway, and a very solid down the line guy in Jacobs. If it required Bradley, Barnes, Bogaerts, Garin, or Owens I don’t want it done.

    • johnsilver 3 years ago

       Yeah. That won’t unfortunately. They just threw a ton of money at Montero, like VMart 50m+ and upped the catching market for mediocrity earlier in the season, so they don’t need a MLB ready catcher right now.

      It would take 1 of the ‘big 3″ and only one would consider myself, would be Bradley that Upton could take the place of really and even then not like it.

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      not even close with the first proposal

      my preference is to sell high on middlebrooks, instead of giving away bogaerts or barnes. if bradley has to go too, he can

      AZ wants a 3B. middlebrooks is highly overrated right now. you give aviles the 3B job and let jose iglesias save runs without producing any for the rest of the year at SS. alternatively, you flip ross and possibly shoppach for a stopgap 3B

      as bad as i want upton, it would be really hard to include bogaerts unless the rest of the package were relatively light

      • MaineSox 3 years ago

        I’m upset that Ben hasn’t made it happen yet, really (not really).

        I’d do back flips if they did that.

      • Leonard Washington 3 years ago

        I didn’t think I would be close I was just lobbing out an idea of what I think we can afford to lose. Barnes and Bogaerts MUST stay. Bradley I like a lot but If he were the center piece its a deal you gotta make. Middlebrooks I didn’t think about, but I guess if he was the centerpiece I would be cool with that as long as nobody of that other 3 were involved. I think we should keep Ross in case Papi leaves, and if a package of Middlebrooks, Brentz, and Garin could get it done we would be able to trade Ellsbury right before he hits free agency.

        • MaineSox 3 years ago

          Even if it had to be Middlebrooks and Bradley centering the deal I think you have to do it, as long as the other guys weren’t too highly rated (Middlebrooks, Bradley, and 2-3 mid-range prospects would probably be a reasonable deal for both teams).  It’s a lot of talent to give up, but the opportunity to add a Justin Upton doesn’t come along very often, and when it does you know it’s going to hurt, but you have to try.

  24. Weren’t the Mariners on that no-trade list? If so, i could care less about Upton at all.. in fact good riddance go stink somewhere else. Arizona obviously has no faith in you anymore haha.

  25. That’s interesting Upton doesn’t want to go to the AL Central.
    I wonder if the Orioles have any interest. I know we have Markakis, but our outfield defense has been a bit of a disaster as of late. You know what, if I am the Orioles, I would offer Machado in a deal for Upton.
    Although, I do wonder why the D’Backs are so hot’n heavy to dump him? They will get prospects for sure, still why are they willing to trade him?

  26. Will 3 years ago

    the BUCS def have the pieces to acquire J. Upton. i’m sure Jameson would have to be part of the deal. – i won’t speculate on any offers but adding Upton to the mix with McCutchen and Marte would be pretty SiCK.

  27. bigpat 3 years ago

    If the interest is as crazy as it’s being described (not surprising because Upton has the makings of a young superstar) I’d prefer the Pirates to just bow out. They are doing just fine right now without Upton and they can’t get rid of everything they’ve put in the effort to build just to get him. There is a very good chance that Quentin will outproduce Upton for the rest of the season and he could be had for a lot less. Re-sign him and trade Tabata in the offseason or simply let him walk and insert Marte into RF next season. 

    • Josh Conn 3 years ago

      I agree 100%.  I think people are assuming that the Pirates would be only renting Quentin for the rest of the season.  Well, these aren’t the same Pirates:  they will spend money on the right people (Cutch).  I like Upton, but I am not in favor of trading the prime prospects to get him.

      • squeper 3 years ago

        Quentin is a SoCal guy.  No amount of money will bring him and his lousy D to the rust belt. I agree that NH is going to have to spend starting this summer but not on this dude.

    • Highly unlikely the would “simply let him walk” given the contract Tabata just signed. 

  28. lonleylibertarian 3 years ago

    My prediction is that nothing happens until closer to the deadline.  The Pirates call up Marte and put him in the outfield right after the all star game.  The schedule is not daunting and if he gets off to a good start – continues what he has been doing lately in the minors they focus on adding a pitcher.

  29. Hoosierdaddy92 3 years ago

    Despite the Tigers being on his list, one has to wonder if Upton would still approve a deal to the Tigers if it was offered. A chance to hit in that sweet spot between Austin Jackson and Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder? When he made the list, the Tigers had just traded Curtis Granderson, let Polanco walk, and it looked like they were headed for a full rebuild. Plus Detroit is overblown as a place that players don’t want to go. A lot of that changed with the Prince Fielder signing though and Verlander extension.

    Furthermore, the Tigers have exactly what the Dbacks would want. A Top 3b prospect, Castellanos, as well as a top OF prospect Avisail Garcia, with plenty of pitching prospects to boot.

    • James Attwood 3 years ago

      Dbacks have absolutely no need for another OF prospect. They have 4 OFs that should all be starting as it is with 2 more waiting their turn in AAA just withering away. But I do agree that Castellanos is appealing. But J Up is not going for Castellanos straight up. Dbacks would be looking for some sort of pretty high prospects (1-2) to be thrown in at least. A big thing is, Upton is under team control until 2015, so there is a LOT to like there.

  30. Guest 3 years ago

    For the Pirates to get Upton I’m thinking Taillon, Marte, Alvarez, Heredia, Hanson, and Morris. Upton deserves a huge return and would definitely take two or three top guys and two or three B+ pieces

    •  There is a chance of coaxing Taillon and maybe Marte out of them along with a younger prospect with potential. They won’t be giving up 6 players at least 3 of whom should have some serious impact on an MLB club very soon. Pittsburgh is not going to mortgage the future on one player.
       

    • sooooo….basically 4 top 120 prospects (2 in the top 40) and a starting 3B plus more for 1 guy?  2 SP, a closer, an OF, a SS, and a 3B for 1 guy?   

    • Todd Smith 3 years ago

      Wait, you don’t want McCutchen thrown in too?

    • TheBurgh88 3 years ago

      you’re insane

    • Greatone1210 3 years ago

      That is ridiculous. No way on Alvarez, Hanson, or Heredia. Taillon, Marte, and one lower prospect. There is your deal. 

  31. Brandon Stubbs Calvert 3 years ago

    As a diamondback fan, i think i would have to consider a deal if we can get pedro alvarez as well as 1 more pretty big prospect and a few lower end prospects.  Dbacks are already jammed in the OF needing a third baseman and to some extent alvarez has out performed upton this year.

    • Bucn24 3 years ago

      The pirates wont trade Pedro

    •  They aren’t going to trade Alvarez. They’ve invested too much in him, and he is finally starting to produce. Never going to happen.

      • Brandon Stubbs Calvert 3 years ago

        I just think the dbacks would not give up upton unless they got someone MLB ready who could help produce now and not in 3 years.

        • Todd Smith 3 years ago

          The Pirates are in the playoff hunt.  They are looking to add to the team. They aren’t looking to dismantle their team and rebuild.

  32. redsandyanksfan 3 years ago

    I think the Reds should be all over at least Justin Upton. If stubbs could figure out how to be patient and stop striking out and hit the ball every now and then, trading for Upton would give us a  very very good outfield for years.

    Yes were going to have to give up alot but here’s my package

    DiDi Gregorius: This guy is projected to be a very good player who has hit at every level he has played at, and also showed some above average speed to be a threat on the basepaths. He has a hell of a arm and a pretty good athlete. Will take over for Stephen Drew

    ETA: 2013  4th ranked prospect

    Neftali Soto: Has increased his production at every level he has played at , last year He hit 30 homers in double AA, He doesnt walk much but he doesnt strike out much either.

    ETA: 2013 6th ranked prospect

    Ryan LaMarre: A toolsy outfielder, who broke out with 50 steals last year.Has raw power but we have yet to see him put it together. Very good defensive instincts in center

    ETA: 2013-2014  8th ranked prospect

    JC Sulbaran-A guy that was in the futures game in 2009 at age 19. He hasnt stayed completely healthy in the past but right now he has 3 pitches so he is a starter and had a very good year last year striking out 10.3 Per/9 and walking about 3 per/9

    ETA 2013-2014  5th ranked prospect

    Ryan Wright-  A guy who has some power to be a offensive mind 2nd basemen and also could play alot of different places which he did in college. He also hits for aveage and has some speed to him to make this intersting for his career

    ETA: 2014. 11th ranked prospect

    is this a Fair proposal for Justin Upton?

    • Hahahahaha not even close! A package of a bunch of scrubes for Upton. He’s gonna command a top prospects in the entire LEAGUE. Not scraps from your farm. Good god. Billy Hamilton would comeback 100% guaranteed if the Reds tried. 

  33. bigsweens38 3 years ago

    remember this name,stetson allie? trade the prospects for a proven bat!

    • couldn’t agree more!!!!!  Shoot, add to it to pry Drew away as well. 

  34. What do you think fans, should Arizona sell high on Kubel?

  35. arthur3 3 years ago

    Neil Huntington, the Pirates GM, is doing as he has always done, he is bargain shopping. It has taken this franchise too many years to reach this current level, and he is not going to mess with the current winning chemistry, nor mortgage its future. I look for Huntington to add a couple of pieces, on the cheap. Any trades done will not include any of the current roster, and none of the top prospects will be changing uniforms.

  36. ElGaupo77 3 years ago

    What’s Upton’s deal been this year? He plays in a pitcher park….   Is he a malcontent?

    • Devon Henry 3 years ago

      When did Chase Field become a Pitchers park?

  37. So Tabata, Locke, Grossman, tallion, casey meghee, Mercer. for Justin sounds good to me. Had MAtt Hauge if they want

    Starting Rf, 3rd, ss/2nd  and 1st solid number 3 pitcher. James and Grossman should be reay by next June.

    We go with Garret Jones and Jeff clement at 1st for the rest of the year.

    • Devon Henry 3 years ago

      Why in the hell would the D-Backs want McGehee? The have Goldshmidt at 1st, with Roberts and Bloomquist at 3rd who are much better defensively and comparable offensively.

    •  no thanx would rather have mcgehee than jeff at first

    • CAtheDA 3 years ago

      I wish people would get off the Jeff Clement train.  He’s a lifetime AAA player.  He can’t hit big league pitching.  

      I say trade anyone except Cutch and Marte to get Upton.  He’ll look sweet in the black and gold carrying the World Series trophy.

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  40. Sd_brain 3 years ago

     Pirates should just keep their top prospects, go after a guy like scott hairston

  41.  so basically we stock all these arms so they rot iin the minors instead of getting pieces we need,, and no i do not advocate trading tailon and cole for upton but we have other prospects not all of them can play on the team so stop using no mortgaging the future saying

    • Bigj48 3 years ago

      dbacks would probably want cole, to pair him up again with bauer

  42. Jeff Snedden 3 years ago

    In order to address both the Quentin and Upton trade rumors, you must separate them and build deals individually.  I’m sorry, Padres fans, but if you think your team is going to get anything close to the caliber of prospects from a Quentin deal as an Upton deal, you are probably better served hanging onto Quentin and hoping he wants to stay in SD.

    Quentin isn’t worth ANY of our Top 50 prospects.  Not one.  Not a one for one.  It won’t happen, and if that means San Diego rejects any deal, then so be it.

    Upton is a different story.  A 24-year old 2-time All Star with a pedigree very close to Andrew McCutchen, controllable thru 2015.  He would look great in black and gold, and I would be OK with the Bucs trading Taillon/Marte to get him, but ONLY if it was part of a bigger deal that also netted us a viable #3 starting pitcher.  Perhaps a 3-team deal?  The Pirates are in first place, have a legit shot of a playoff season, and are built for the long run (2012-2016).  Despite that, they have but ONE big deal that they can afford.  They need to make it count if they are dealing any of their Top 50 prospects. 

    And in addition, there is NO DEAL that Gerrit Cole would be a part of.  Also, the very notion that Pedro Alvarez could be part of any deal is hilarious.  El Toro is the Pirates third baseman and is just figuring ML pitching out.  He has the look of a guy who will finish the year with 40/100.  How many third basemen are there in the league right now who are in that category?  Longoria, if healthy – Miguel Cabrera, maybe Beltre.  Pedro is on his way to being in that category of third baseman. 

  43. Victor Perez 3 years ago

    Diamondbacks; Chase Headley, and Starling Marte
    Pirates; Carlos Quentin
    Padres; Justin Upton 

    Woooo!

    •  You obviously aren’t a Pirates fan.  Marte isn’t going anywhere for three months of Quentin.

      • squeper 3 years ago

        Agree.  But points for seeing the trifecta of needs.

  44. DempseyK 3 years ago

    If the Pirates were able to KEEP Marte by giving up Gerrit Cole instead of Taillion, then I would absolutely make a deal.  Also, with Drew falling out of favor with Arizona’s ownership, Id like to find a way to add him to the deal.  I few possible options here:

    Gerrit Cole
    Jose Tabata
    Jeff Locke
    Brian Friday

    FOR

    Justin Upton

    OR

    Gerrit Cole
    Jose Tabata
    Alex Presley
    Jeff Locke
    Kyle McPherson
    Brian Friday
    Chase D’Arnaud
    Matt Hague

    For

    Juston Upton
    Stephen Drew

    —————————————————–

    If including Cole rather than Taillion allows us to keep Marte, then I say game-on!

    Id love to see a starting outfield of Cutch, Upton, and Marte for next season. And we would still have Taillion, Heredia, and Appel (Presumably, if he is signed)

    But in my own honest opinion, the need for Cole to be in Pittsburgh next year has been lowered due to the emergence of J Mac, having Burnett thru next season, and Jeff Karstens being, well, Jeff Karstens.  I feel that Rudy Owens, Justin Wilson, and Rick Vanden Hurk can surely fill out next years rotation without feeling like we completely missed out by not having Cole.  In my opinion, if thats what needs to happen to NOT part with Marte and still acquire Upton it should be a NO BRAINER!

    • squeper 3 years ago

      Upton and Drew both have severe character issues.  Would you want to bring them into Hurdle’s House?  Although nice one sliding in guys like D’Arnaud and Hague.

  45. Jeff Snedden 3 years ago

    still laughing at the people who keep putting Pedro Alvarez in their fantasy trades.  You have to wonder if they actually watch baseball or just play fantasy and think the real world works like their 10-man league.  Funny stuff.

    • Ethan Morgan 3 years ago

      Here are some career stats to this point for both players (keep in mind that Upton is a year younger than Alvarez):
      Average WAR Per Season: Upton: 2.0 Alvarez .1
      OBP:    Alvarez: .305    Upton: 357
      SLUG:  Alvarez: .418    Upton: .477
      OPS+:  Alvarez: 98       Upton: 117
      K Rate: Alvarez: 34.2% Upton: 27.0%
      AB Per HR: Alvarez: 23.25 Upton:24.47

      Upton is only having a worse season than Alvarez right now, and his career numbers are extremely better. Considering that the DBacks are looking for a third baseman right now, it is entirely reasonable that Alvarez would be a piece in a trade sending Upton to Pittsburgh. I’m thinking that Alvarez and Taillon would be enough, but I’m thinking they could switch Taillon for a couple of lesser prospects. One thing I would definitely bet on is that if the Pirates get Upton, they’ll only have one of Alvarez and Cole. For anything less than a package based around one of those two, I think Towers would rather keep Upton.

    • Ethan Morgan 3 years ago

      And yes, I do watch baseball. I just try not to let it corrupt my view of players, especially guys who put up large homerun numbers who are putting up average or worse numbers in every other catagory. Alvarez reminds me so much of Mark Reynolds it’s scary, and as a DBacks fan, I’m postive I would not want to make a deal sending Upton to Pittsburgh if the main piece coming back was Alvarez. I still think Towers might bite, but I would rather not see another boom or bust power hitter like we had when we were losing 90 or more games a year.

  46. swampirate 3 years ago

    Tabata is not a bad trading piece.  He projects as a solid MLB player and is still young.  More importantly, he has an incredibly friendly contract….
       That being said I agree that Marte is not going to be involved in the deal.  It simply is not a need of AZ even when they dump Upton.  The most intriguing trade would be to acquire both Drew and Upton but that is a stretch.  
       If the Pirates are going to pay to rent a player it will be one of the 2 big Startng pitchers, not an outfielder.    CQ is more likely a candidate but Upton would have the City of Pittsburgh in a tizzy and the tickets would be hard to come by…

    • squeper 3 years ago

      Tickets are already hard to come by. Did you go down to PNC during the SF series?  That was nuts.  

  47. I wonder does Upton appeal to Atlanta he could be a solid fit for them except for the fact that they may not have enough money to afford this deal.

    A deal of Teheran+Ahmed+Minor could get that deal done.

  48. Bourn
    Prado
    Chipper
    Mc Cann
    Upton
    Freeman
    Uggla
    Simmons
    Pitcher

    That is scary considering the numbers Upton can put up

  49. As a Phoenix resident I assure you the D’Backs will not trade Upton. Even after their lousy play so far this year they are only 4 games behind the Dodgers and Upton has shown signs of life recently. He’s only 24 and under control for 3 more years. Just no way Jose – take it to the bank. All the above is just pure blowing smoke.

  50. Sam Talarigo 3 years ago

     i wouldnt give Marte for Quentin but Upton? Hell yeah

  51. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    how bout Aaron Hill as a prime example

  52. Yea, but to give Taillon?

  53. qudjy1 3 years ago

    Theres just no way Towers can trade Upton for 1 good prospect.

  54. Tallion and Marte is the likely package for Upton with him being under contract

  55. Teacher_in_Tejas 3 years ago

    Yes, Upton is 24 so you’re basically swapping young outfielders, in dealing Marte. I agree with giving up Tallion and not Cole, as we very well may see Cole here next year and Tallion won’t be here until 14

  56. Rabbitov 3 years ago

    I think your proposal is likely what it would take. 

  57. lol proven talent that is hitting .260 and 7HR; Garrett Jones is doing better than that. Upton has had one good year that a team might consider giving up one of the top prospects in mlb for.

  58. Smrtbusnisman04 3 years ago

    Headley would move over to 1B. McGhee is a terrible hitter with no timing and i don’t think Jones can be a full time player.

  59. Dylan Ramirez 3 years ago

    I don’t think the Pirates would have to give up Marte for Quentin, maybe Robbie Grossman and Bryan Morris.

  60. Sniderlover 3 years ago

     Had a .899 OPS as a 21 year old. .898 OPS as a 23 year old. He is a young potential superstar in the making that has already shown some of that potential.

    He will cost multiple top prospects.

  61. nelly33 3 years ago

     When will people begin to realize that you are trading for a player’s future.  Not what they’ve done in the past or presently doing.

  62. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

     spoken like someone who clearly doesn’t understand the game

  63. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    did you hear that? that was the sound of a thousand facepalms

  64. Todd Smith 3 years ago

    Andrew McCutchen hit .216 with 9 HR in the 2nd half of the season last year.  Should they have traded him off for a pitching prospect?

  65. melonis_rex 3 years ago

     snub.

    the asg snubs this year were hilarious(ly terrible).

  66. zak1993 3 years ago

    But assuming we trade Marte, he’s better than anyone else we have lol.

  67. Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

    Just think that catchers who can do both might be available.

  68. Henduck 3 years ago

    Yeah, they’re definitely ok at catcher.

  69.  I agree. Barajas keeps AJ and J-Mac happy, and Fort has 7 HR. 7 HR from a back up catcher in just over 100 at bats is pretty good. And defensively he is pretty good too.

  70. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

     aslong as they keep it a popularity contest it will always be like that.

    its funny because its the sport where the ASG means the most and the sport where they let the fans get the most involved.

    Eventually teams will utilize the fan involvement and people from St.Louis and Cincinnati will vote Adam Lind and Brett Cecil as AL starters

  71. Terrence Ireland 3 years ago

    I agree with that then. Just checked 1 year contracted guys, only Pier and McCann, and both the Sox and Braves need them.

  72. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Point proven again with Mike Napoli.. He who can’t catch and certainly isn’t hitting. Weiters could have started ahead of him, Mauer and Salty is way ahead of him in every offensive statistic and can actually play defense and not even on the team.

    Thanks Rangers fans for stuffing those ballot boxes and Washington for filling up the roster with your own players.. Really smart..

  73. Player’s future exactly. Taillon is regarded as a #1 starter, which is a heck of a lot more important than an OF.

  74. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    probably. but if the first two are taillon and marte, the next 2-3 will be B-C prospects

  75. nelly33 3 years ago

     I was referring to your Upton comment.  If he is having a down year, it doesn’t matter.  You are buying the rest of this year and 3 more.  With prospects, that is all you are buying since they haven’t reached the bigs.

  76. melonis_rex 3 years ago

     I have no problem with all the Rangers and Yankees in the starting lineup. they have the best offenses, and thus should have the most players.

    my qualms are far, far more with the sheer number of relievers who make the rosters over deserving SP and position players.

    and the fact that the game “counts”.

  77. Giving up a player like Taillon is like the trades that involved players like CC and Prince during their good years. If Upton was having a year like last year, then I would be fine with it. However, pitching is really hard to come by especially the talent that Taillon has.

  78. qudjy1 3 years ago

    I dont think i like that proposal after looking at Martes stats.

  79. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Used to be that sometimes a person would even bow out of a game if they thought they didn’t deserve it, but now with these contracts written up and bonus clauses for AS in them? Slim chances now.. Another thing that needs to be removed.

    Like you said. 3 catchers? No need. Long relievers would be fine, even MIDDLE relievers who can go MORE than 1IP, but that dolt went out and added closers.

    Whatever happened to adding people like Jones as ‘extra” people, not counting on the roster since it’s his last season? The league made an exception in ’83 with Yaz and bench? Then they were Sure as Fire HOF’ers also.. Maybe Jones is, but still, he had a great career, don’t waste a roster Thome have an honorary spot on the AL also to balance it out?

  80. qudjy1 3 years ago

    Then KT should Pass.   Marte doesnt look that impressive.   Tailon in A ball.   PASS.

  81. Encarnacion's Parrot 3 years ago

    A thousand + 1 now.

  82. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    marte was just rated the 36th best prospect in baseball on BA’s midseason list, with taillon at 15. he may well pass if the rest of the package were underwhelming, but there’s no good reason to try to talk down those two

  83. We’ll see about that.  I haven’t seen any more of Marte than the Spring Training highlights and a triple he hit last week – just read about him.  If his defense is as advertised, he seems much more valuable in PNC’s LF; if he’s not in CF. It seems to me that by looking at Quentin/Upton (RF’ers), the Pirates agree.

  84. Amish_willy 3 years ago

    I have a hard time imagining Towers could get two better prospects in an Upton deal than Tallion & Marte.
    If I’m the Pirates, I’m trading lesser players for Quentin and keeping those elite guys. You hate to see teams that could be on the cusp of a long extended run give up what could be two of their better pieces. 

     

  85. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    they are theoretical elites, though. upton is an actual elite with 3 additional seasons of affordable control

    i see what you’re saying and i have never denied that i am irrational when it comes to justin upton, but i’d giving up marte & taillon in a heartbeat

  86. Upton= proven commodity.
    Taillon= possibilities.

  87. Todd Smith 3 years ago

    McGehee is hitting .291 with a .891 OPS over the past month. Headley is hitting .263 with a .697 OPS over the past month.  …and Headley isn’t exactly going to come cheap prospect-wise either.  If they are going to have to give up some of their top prospects either way, I’ll take Upton.  The Pirates have a much bigger need in the outfield than infield right now.

  88. Upton hasn’t been an all-star every year. This is from the piratesprosects website: “The Pirates have the prospects to pull off a deal, but the price would be very high. In the short-term they’d have an amazing outfield with two of the top young players in the game. But in the long-term this could look like the deal that sent Mark Teixeira to Atlanta, and sent Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia to Texas.” I don’t think it would be worth it if the Pirates deal would look like this.

  89. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    upton has been playing productively in the majors at the age most prospects struggle to play productively in the minors

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