Pirates Have Had Talks For Quentin, Upton

11:27am: Interest in Upton is said to be "huge'' and the Diamondbacks are only interested in making a "perfect" deal, sources tell Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.  Sources say that the outfielder's limited no-trade list is not the same as it was a couple years ago when it consisted of the Tigers, Indians, A's, and Royals.  Detroit, Heyman notes, is a team that would have interest in Upton.

10:54am: The Pirates have had preliminary trade discussions involving the Padres' Carlos Quentin and the Diamondbacks' Justin Upton, major league sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.com.  Talent evaluators from both teams have scouted PIttsburgh's farm system in recent days and the teams are preparing lists of prospects they would target in a potential deal.

It is unlikely the Pirates would acquire both outfielders, but they have a strong desire to land one of the two.  Quentin, 29, would require a lesser package as he is eligible for free agency after this season.  Upton, 24, would cost more in terms of prospects as he is under contract through 2015.

When it comes to trades, the Pirates are said to be more attached to Gerrit Cole than Jameson Taillon, in part because Cole is closer to the big leagues.  The D'Backs are looking to compete again in 2013 and would likely target players who are closer to the majors in a deal for Upton.  The Padres, meanwhile, are willing to take younger players, as long as they have considerable upside.


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190 Comments on "Pirates Have Had Talks For Quentin, Upton"


zak1993
3 years 1 month ago

Could you imagine Upton, Marte and McCutchen in the same outfield? That would be one of, if not, the best outfields in the league. I would easily give up Taillon+ for Upton

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

marte would be gone. but in a few years you could theoretically have mccutchen, upton, and bell

Dylan Ramirez
3 years 1 month ago

I would imagine any deal for Upton would have to include Marte. D-backs are loaded with pitching prospects and will be looking for position players in a package for Upton and players that can be on the major league club by the start of the next season. Marte is the only guy that fits that bill for the Pirates. 

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

 Yeah, I think Marte would be gone, and I’d probably be ok with that. As long as they don’t trade Cole, but man that outfield would be amazing.

I also wonder what it would take to get Ian Kennedy back in a deal, probably wouldn’t happen without Cole but getting Upton who’s under contract and trading for and extending Kennedy would be the kind of move that sets them up for years to come.

Personally while it’s exciting to dream about Upton in black and gold, I think it would make more sense to just trade lesser prospects and get back Quentin, who is really hitting this year. Maybe they can extend him, if not it’s no big deal. I’d imagine they can get him for Rudy Owens/Justin Wilson and another decent prospect.

3 years 1 month ago

Upton sucks this year I wouldn’t.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

his power has been absent thus far, but he’s still posting a .350 OBP in a slow start.. annnnnnd he’s still young. that comment is fluff

Henduck
3 years 1 month ago

Wow. Cutch & Upton. Get it done Neal. Get. It. Done.

Sam Talarigo
3 years 1 month ago

it would be one of the most athletic outfield in a long time but they will have to give Marte up

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

Taillon, Marte, Hanson?

zak1993
3 years 1 month ago

Not all 3. Pick 2. I would preferrably give up Hanson and Taillon because assuming we sign Appel, Taillon is expendable

Teacher_in_Tejas
3 years 1 month ago

add to those two either Wilson, Locke or one of the other pitchers blocked at AAA right now.  Arizona can plug them right into the rotation in the second half to see what they can do.

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

Bleh.   I think AZ would just keep Upton at that point.   2 A ball guys and roster filler isnt what towers is looking for IMO.

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

I doubt Towers would not do that.  Both Tailon and Hanson are in A ball.   Nice prospects and all, but years away.   It just doesnt fit.

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

I’d rather give up Marte than Hanson in a deal for Upton, I think.  Not sure if Hanson can stick at SS long term, but if he does he is the only real SS prospect in the organization.  Still a lot of depth at OF even without Marte.

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

If they throw in Ian Kennedy, yes but not for Upton alone. He’s a very good OF but it’s a down season and no one else will offer that kind of package. That’s three top 50 prospects.

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

Towers wont trade Upton for 2 A Ball players.   just wont happen.

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

They would throw in another player or two, but usually the way these trades work is one or two top prospects and another 10-15 guy and maybe a live arm of some sort.

Also Marte is in AAA and is pretty much major league ready. I think they’d love to have him in their outfield or even dangle him as trade bait if they’d rather just insert Parra and Kubel into the lineup every day.

I know Upton is young and established but his stock is down and we rarely see teams give up the moon for players anymore. Look at the trades of Greinke, Halladay, Lee, Pence, etc. Teams traded one or two of their top 10 prospects but didn’t flat out drain their system.

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

Most of those guys werent signed for 3 more years.   I dont think 3 prospects is too much to ask.   One AAA guy who could be up soon, and 2 A ball guys with Upside.   I dont see that as the moon.

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=marte-001sta    Not a big fan of all of those Ks of Marte.   Not impressed.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

there was this prospect in arizona a couple years back who was knocked for his k-rate. can’t remember his name

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

I just looked at Martes stats.. No thanks   Forget it.   I dont see anything that great. Lots of Ks in the minors, not much power. Im just keeping Upton if Im KT.

3 years 1 month ago

your high five tools

3 years 1 month ago

definately not Henson. He is a stud!!

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

if somebody other than me has to get upton, the pirates seem like a good choice

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

or the jays… either way is good, either way

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

browsing canadian real estate as we speak

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

 ha, toronto probably has the most overrated and expensive real estate in north america. I’d just get the mlb package and kick your feet up

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Have you ordered a Pirates Jersey yet just in case, or are you waiting to see if it actually happens?

Smrtbusnisman04
3 years 1 month ago

I kind of have to agree with Keith Law on this topic; the Pirates finally have a good farm system (11th overall i think) and i would hate to see them give up Taillon, Starling Marte, Alen Hansen, and Rudy Owens in a trade for Justin Upton.

What happened to coveting Chase Headley?

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

I thinkn it will take a lot for Towers to trade Upton now.   Sounds like preliminary discussions are just GMs getting a feel for what it would take.

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

 Headley is a little overrated and wouldn’t really have a set position. I would maybe trade for him in the off-season once they can sort out the 1b/3b situation but right now I’d take Quentin from the Padres.

3 years 1 month ago

Headley overrated? He might be the most underrated player in all of baseball!

louis_09
3 years 1 month ago

I think coveting Chase Headley quieted with the production, both offensively and defensively, that the Pirates are getting from Pedro Alvarez.  You don’t acquire Headley and put his 3B-defense in the OF, and if Alvarez has turned the corner offensively…his bat holds a ton more value at 3B than at 1B (not to mention the Jones/McGehee platoon working nicely at 1B right now).

I’m not a big fan of giving up all the talent it would take to acquire Upton either, though the fact we’d have him for 3.5 years does cushion that blow.  My thoughts are that small market clubs MUST draft well and have that talent materialize at the ML level to be competitive.  The Pirates cannot afford to bid for stars in free agency.  They need to pick-and-choose their free agents wisely, and use their system to bring impact players to the ML level that are cost controlled (McCutchen, Walker, Alvarez) while injecting free agents to fill in the gaps.

Smrtbusnisman04
3 years 1 month ago

That would be Arizona’s ideal return for Upton, plus Rudy Owens or Jeff Locke.

Smrtbusnisman04
3 years 1 month ago

Is Josh Willingham available or is Terry Ryan still in denial about restocking the Twins farm system with pitching?

Thomas Carrano
3 years 1 month ago

As a Padre fan I would want more pitching prospects and not Marte

Henduck
3 years 1 month ago

You have nothing to worry about then. They’re noy giving up Marte for Headley or Quinten.

Thomas Carrano
3 years 1 month ago

Headley wants to stay in San Deigo and they want a ton of prospects

3 years 1 month ago

The big 3 (Tallion, Cole, Heredia) would be untouchable in a deal for Quentin it would have to be Owens Locke Wilson level

zak1993
3 years 1 month ago

Isn’t B.J a free agent after this season? Maybe we can convince him to come play with his brother and McCutchen :)

Terrence Ireland
3 years 1 month ago

If the Pirates sign Appel here in a few days, they have a really good piece in Taillon to trade. Appel and Cole in your farm is amazing enough, especially with the pitching they have now.

Terrence Ireland
3 years 1 month ago

Pirates should also be looking for a 1 year rental Catcher to trade for.

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

 I hope they sign Appel before they trade Taillion though or else Boras will use it as more leverage.

louis_09
3 years 1 month ago

Boras can try to use it for whatever he likes.  If Appel doesn’t sign, the Pirates have pick #8B next year (arguably a deeper draft).  Having 2 first round picks, plus potentially a “lottery” pick, and the Pirates could have substantial money to play with in next year’s draft.

Couple that with the fact that Appel would lose serious leverage if he comes out after his SR year…I don’t envy Boras’ situation.

As for trading Taillon, if you’re going to do it…you do it.  That move is independent from signing Appel, IMO.

3 years 1 month ago

not to mention we could also sign buehler with the bonus money we have saved up think its like 700-800 k

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

The deadline to sign Appel is Friday…I doubt they make a big deal before then anyway.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

Unfortunately, I don’t see the Jays matching up for what Arizona wants/needs

but maybe if you start with Gose, Escobar and Syndergaard you have a chance.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

the jays could get him without blinking. it’s a question of willingness. even with upton’s value low(er than usual), i don’t think anthopolous will pay what it takes

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

I doubt it too. Upton is awesome but the offense has been good enough. I think at this point the upgrades would have to be for run prevention..

however his value is low(er) and you know AA loves a good bargain

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

and you do have to cash in those prospects at some point; you can’t just wait with fingers crossed

acquire upton, sign greinke, make 4 weirdly good low-level trades. profit

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

I’m good with moving some prospects, reality is even someone as highly touted as gose or marisnick has such a slim chance to being upton.

our top of the rotation  pitching depth scares me though. Romero looks lost, I think even if you do add Grienke you need to add another #3. Mcguire and Jenkins not developing really through a wrench in things.  both 1st round picks too.

3 years 1 month ago

Even a “Finding-himself” Romero could pass as a  #3, assuming he actually succeeds in finding himself. Then you can slot him behind #1 and Morrow. Get an innings eater and cobble the rest together out of Alvarez, McGowan, Hutchison, Cecil, etc.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

 I wasnt suggesting otherwise from Romero.. I know hes not as good as he was last year..but he’s not as bad as he’s been this year.

However, adding another number 3 would solidify things a bit.  Alvarez and Hutch are both still young so inconsistency will be a part of their game.

as for Mcgowan, he’s stop throwing and making another trip to a shoulder specialist. We may never see him pitch again. :/

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

on-game romero and morrow are poor rotation leaders, but very strong complementary 2/3 guys. alavarez is a great guy to have at the back. if you add a legitimate ace, that rotation is quite good

i agree that adding another solid #3 type would be an effective hedge, though. whether or not it’s for upton, a big trade is warranted in the next ~6 months. and a big signing if you ask me

3 years 1 month ago

I think Snider should probably be in any potential deal for Upton unless he is going to be the 4th OF next year.  If Jays got Upton and re-signed EE I’d be stoked.  Should easliy be a top 3 offense in baseball next year.

M_Harden
3 years 1 month ago

Reading fan trade proposals really, really makes my brain hurt. No, guys, real life GM’s will NOT trade 24 year olds who have shown MVP caliber play (who’s also under contract) for anything less than a king’s ransom. They will NOT take your mediocre prospects and good but not great youngsters in A-ball.

qudjy1
3 years 1 month ago

Exactly.

GriffeyandSizemore
3 years 1 month ago

I just laugh and make even more insane offers.

nelly33
3 years 1 month ago

Upton makes too much sense for the Reds, so Jocketty probably won’t do it.

BeatEmBucs
3 years 1 month ago

Who the Reds have left to trade? They spent the farm on Latos. There’s no way they have anything that could even come close to landing Upton.

3 years 1 month ago

Jocketty has barely anyone left too trade they already dealt there 2 biggest propsects Grandal and Alonso already and Boxburger is gone too

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

also let me help this thread:

the answer to “would a package of x, y, and z be enough?” is “no”

the answer to “you would seriously give up x, y, z, and your first born child?” is “and his mother. and my mother. yes”

Brian K. Rhodes
3 years 1 month ago

Upton is due about 43 million through 2015.  Kind of a red flag because of the down year he’s having this season.  A dream OF of Marte, Upton and Cutch would be fantastic but I’m sure Marte would have to be included in a deal for Upton.

Terrence Ireland
3 years 1 month ago

I would think Marte/Cutch/Bell was the more ideal line.

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

Bell is still a long ways off – which makes Upton kind of the perfect fit.  By the time his contract is up, you have Bell ready to step in and replace him.

James Attwood
3 years 1 month ago

In a deal for Upton, the one thing almost CERTAIN to not go back to AZ is another OF. They already have too many stud OFs as it is.

Bigj48
3 years 1 month ago

if the of is ready now wed love to have him, chris young is scuffling since coming off the dl, and his bff leaving might make him pout

James Attwood
3 years 1 month ago

Pollack is ready if it comes to that. And CY isn’t going to stay at the Mendoza line.

3 years 1 month ago

They would want Marte considering they are loaded with pitching in AZ already although there is no doubt in my mind that they would demand Cole or Tallion either.

Terrence Ireland
3 years 1 month ago

Quentin is cheaper to grab, and I don’t think it will take as much for him than Upton. It messes up with your Defensive spots a bit (Jones to 1B?), but would be a nice boost to the offense. I also don’t think it would take much, is because the Padres are pretty set in their farm. You put Taillon+ in the mix (after signing Appel), and you got a deal.

zak1993
3 years 1 month ago

No chance you would get Taillon straight up, let alone +, for Quentin.

Terrence Ireland
3 years 1 month ago

Once again, their is this false notion that a guy in the Farm > proven ball player and able to contribute now.

louis_09
3 years 1 month ago

So the Pirates should trade a top prospect for an oft-injured, 1/2 season rental?  No way, and hiding behind the “guy in the farm < proven ball player" argument is a joke.

Quentin may net the Padres some talent, but if you think they will acquire a top-15 ML prospect for him…you need a reality check.

3 years 1 month ago

Quentin won’t get them much remeber he is a injury prone OF who has been struggling of late mind you who also a rental.Grant it he has 0 protection in that Padres lineup.SD I will spell this out

Fulmer-no
Taipa-maybe

Obviously

Wheeler-no
Harvey-no
Familla-no
Mejia-no
Nimmo-no

other than that pick your posion you can have Valdespin, Wilmer Flores, and basically any other.

Taipa+Flores+Valdespin for Quentin and Street

that maybe to much because he is a rental I would definitley do that if we can extend them

BeatEmBucs
3 years 1 month ago

True, but Taillon is not happening for an injury prone rental.

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

You don’t give up a top 10 prospect for a 2 month rental.  Ever.

3 years 1 month ago

Tell Sabean that,well it was top 50